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Janosky:
Emus Mumu

The great Janosense, I hail oooo

" The Word was God.... Which means
The person of the Word is DIFFERENT from the person of the God....."[/b]
[b]Read the shaded portions of the Screenshot of your post and RECEIVE SENSE.

Yes the person of the word is different from the person of God, but the "WORD WAS God" and there is ONLY ONE GOD.

Lying liar like your father the Devil.

Any John 1:1 Translation (NWT, Moffatt bible Emphatic Diaglott etc) which means
"The person of the Word is DIFFERENT from the person of the God" are very very ACCURATE.

See the oponu,

Did Trinitarian ever say, the person of the word is the same with the person of God before

O ma se oooo for this brain dead lying liar.

The Word was divine" , very good & accurate.
The Word was a god, very good & accurate.
Ho Logos was divine, he is NOT ho theos. (John 20:17, John 14:1 & John 17:3 confirmento. Na Jesus talk am )
Bros ,cry me a river

What is the essence of Apostle John introducing Christ as "A God or divine" when your father the Devil and his servants who impregnated people before Noah's day (according to your theology) and human are said to be "A God"?

Definitely, the term of John 1:1 means Christ is not just a god but the very Eternity God who created everything.

But will your father the Devil allow you to have sense to see this?

Janosky:
2 Simple questions for you:
John 20:17 & 17:3, did Jesus agree with your claim on John 1:1?

John 20:21 & Matthew 10:40, did Jesus Christ agree with your claim on John 14:9?


Bros, answer am

John 1:1 "...and The Word was God"

This put your demonic translation into hell where it belongs to.

Janosky:
Shuoooo !!

For your mind , Christ spoke "thy, thou, sayeth, thine, thee, shew" .
Is Jesus Christ an English man ?
.

Wetin Musa no go see for gate ?

So are ALL ENGLISH versions of the Holy Bible that has Thou, thy, sayeth, thine?

Shameless lying liar like your father the Devil.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS, exponent of Jesus is God Almighty, is asking what's the point of Matthew 11:25?

Bros, it is the same point Jesus made in Matthew 27:43,46 and John 20:17

Matthew 11:27 na rocket science to Mr LIENUS
DECEIVING himself

The lying liar Janosense the deluded Jesus is not God but Angel Michael.

Matt 11:27 is still up there for the lying liar the son of his father the Devil to tell us what is his point of referencing it.

Shameless lying liar like your father the Devil.

Janosky:
Bros, is Matthew 11:25 in your Bible?
Who is the Lord Superior to Jesus Christ?

This is what Matt 11:25 says "At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes."

What is your point, Mr Janosense?

Peacefullove:
Verse 21 did not contradict 19, don't be an idiot

One spirit, not two kind of spirit. Same one , animals and man have . So if you claim it's a person, then ready to make animals own a person too . Don't be a fool.

You are already a fool, if not you'd have known that the word SPIRIT doesn't convey the same meaning.

If you think it does, then God is a SPIRIT means God is mere BREATH of life and not a person.

That was the reason I quoted verse 21 to show your ignoramus that different versions interpret it differently but you're too dull to grab it.

In addition, A Spirit being doesn't have flesh and bones. An human therefore can't have a spirit being as component.

Spirit there equals breath

The spirit of a man is a person....continue to rant over that. Spirits do possess human.

Look at @color and see the lying liar mouth changing mouth. You know the word interpreted as SPIRIT there has different meanings that was the reason you said "...THERE"

Your God is a breath since He is a SPIRIT.

Which spirit like angels Drink ?

The rich man ( man ) not rich spirit. Request for water to drink, this is an human not spirit. This question your spirit being go to the Father idea totally.



The place didn't say Heaven ( John 3:13 ) heaven was never mentioned in that story . Don't be a silly idiot. Lazarus wasnt buried but was carried bodily to bossom of Abraham. Begs the question, how can Abel who died years ago go to the bossom of Abraham who wasnt born yet ?

With all this prove of bodily existence, has ressurection occured ?

You're already a silly idiot.

There is RIVER not even ordinary water in heaven according to Revelation. Idiot!

Where was it say in the scripture that Lazarus didn't buried? Lying liar JWs.

Concerning if what goes to the Father is judgement or not. I said below


And some of you idiots will quote Hebrew : It is Appointed unto man to die once, after this a what ?

You are an idiot.


If no judgement was involved , all would be directed to the same location, that separation is an attribute of Judgement.

And the idiot don't know, "it is appointed to die ONCE and after that judgement" means no repentance in the grave.

Oponu radarada!

Peacefullove:
Spirit of man is another term for a spirit with flesh and bones. Which is wrong

What was he even saying here

Very incoherent jargons

Spirit which reside in man therefore is not a person.

A spirit doesn't have flesh and bones ,

Spirit of man is a person

ECC 3:19 all have same spirit . Some other translation say one spirit . Just One , not two kinds , same , one . Open your senses, Making human spirit a person makes animals own too the same . Since they are one and the same.

That is why I quoted verse 21 for you which you disregard.

Do spirits drink water ?

The water requested is it Spiritual water or physical water ?

You fool didn't even realize Lazarus wasn't buried , he was carried bodily by angels.

But there's fountains of WATER IN HEAVEN

can you see how deluded you are?

You fool didn't know Lazarus DIED first.

So if Lazarus was carried to heaven BODILY this shame your lying doctrine that HUMAN BODY CAN'T go to heaven.

It's getting interesting!



And some of you idiots will quote Hebrew : It is Appointed unto man to die once, after this a what ?

You are an idiot.

If no judgement was involved , all would be directed to the same location, that separation is an attribute of Judgement.[/quote]

DappaD:
Yeah the same way the angels also exist in the form of God. Check Psalm 104:4 against John 4:24

I read Psalm 104:4 but I didn't see where it says Angels are created in the FORM of God.

Spirit is just opposite of physical

Are you saying ALL PHYSICAL THINGS have the same NATURE?

[color,=red]Forget the word that is rendered as “nature”[/color] and focus more on the word θείας which translates to “divine” at 2Peter 1:4
The Strong’s Greek for θείας (theíos) means (an adjective, derived from 2316 /theós, "God" ) – divine, manifesting the characteristics of God's nature.

So the Christians at 2Peter 1:4 manifest characteristics of God’s nature according to the above meaning. The question is do they also become God? I need a simple and direct answer.

The funny thing is to tell me to FORGET a critical word in the scripture just because you want to continue to defend your fraudulent doctrines.

@2nd color....

It's good as you yourself know that they ONLY MANIFEST characteristics of God's nature nature not that THEY EXIST in the FORM of God

The Greek and Hebrew words use mainly to denote the actual nature God exists are translated as FORM and that was the same word USED in Phil 2 :6 for Jesus.

DappaD:
This one na big lie oo. It’s not today you started talking from both sides of your mouth. What Peacefullove is asking isn’t farfetched. Do humans turn into Jehovah simply because they share divine nature? That was how I quoted 2Peter 1:2-4 on your thread some weeks ago till today you’ve been dribbling yourself and running from pillar to post.

You said it's a big lie but does Jesus share in God's nature or HE EXISTS IN THE VERY FORM OF GOD?

What you people don't even know is that the Greek word "Phusis" rendered as NATURE in 2 Peter 1 never be used for spirit being but for physical things and human. In fact the word was translated as MANKINDS by many translations in James 3:7 and as PEOPLE by many translations including your perverted NWT.

Definitely, the verse didn't talk about God's ESSENCE.

Another problem in this verse for you is that, the verse is talking about believers generally. This can be seen from the text.

And because of his glory and excellence, he has given us great and precious promises. These are the promises that enable you to share his divine nature and escape the world’s corruption caused by human desires.

The reason believers will share in this divine nature, is because IT WILL HELP THEM TO ESCAPE THE WORLD'S CORRUPTION CAUSED BY HUMAN DESIRES

But now that you believe only few people will share this nature and you're excluded then you and the millions who will live forever on earth will continue to be living in this world of corruption.

Peacefullove:
Exactly, Trinity is false , Christian's possess God's nature and it doesn't make them ALMIGHTY Gods. So save that rubbish of Trinity by nature

I didn't even want to address this before but it seems you derive joy in your ignorance and delusion.

Trinity is true and will forever be true!

Where do Christian possess God's nature?

Include the scripture oooooooooo

Lying liar JWs.

Peacefullove:
Spirit don't have flesh and bones, off that mic. Spirit of man is his breath , the same Spirit animals have . ECC 3 vs 19 . I guess animal Spirit is a person too.

Oponu...
Who says Spirit has flesh and bones before?

Ecc 3:21 "Who knows if the human spirit rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?”

I can create alot of issue for you from the above , number 1. The parable mention people with human bodies, not any spirit.

See the oponu....

So if the parable mention human bodies, it means spirit doesn't have BODIES, RIGHT?

you will soon shot yourself in the foot.

Man you are now grabbing alot of straws to stay relevant. It is finished

Is it your straw What are you doing to stay relevant? More lies and twisting.

That was my Master last word when He died for my sin.

What concerns me in the post is: on what basis is someone decided to be going to hell or Abraham bossom ? That opinion is what, Judgement ?

Not judgement! You need to retrieve your brain back.

I can see how you people have left the main issue and began to grasp for survival.

Barristter07:
[s] thank God the statement is correct. God is a Spirit and a person . If you agree with that bolded, You are just been stupid to say it's not scriptural.

Okay God is spirit and a person.

Spirit of man is Spirit and a person.

Both doesn't have flesh and bones.

Spirit of man in man therefore cannot be a person , cos a Spirit that's a person doesn't have Flesh and bones like humans have .[/s]

Do you ever say "Human person" at any time?? Oponu radarada.

Spirit person is a fraudulent invention of your useless organization, no wonder you people fail simple basic English.

Spirit does not have flesh and bones

And who says Spirit has flesh and bones

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil

[s]From there , what happens next ? Judging who goes to hell or Abraham bossom right ?

Very dull individual, to pronounce a person wicked or righteous, demand what ? Judgement

On what basis is God deciding who goes to hell or Abraham bossom ?

Definition of judgement

" the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing "

Forming an opinion concerning who deserves hell or Abraham bossom is judgement.

You are getting more silly , u know ?[/s]

Police putting arrested person inside cell means the person has been condemned by law.

Keep exposing your ignorance all over.

Like I do say the day you people remember to pick your dull brain from those 8 men is the day, you people will receive sense.

Barristter07:
My Guy, like someone said this is bigger than u can handle.

When you even know that is bigger than your 8 men put together

Janosky:
God's form is spirit, John 4:24.
Man's form is dust, Genesis 2:7, 3:19.

Man's form is dust plus spirit just as God's form is Spirit plus HOLY SPIRIT.


Many times comparison have been done with man composition and that of computer.


Man: Flesh, spirit, and soul


Computer: Hardware, software, and electricity


But JWs lying liar will agree with computer but rejected that of man.

Janosky:
FALSE claim of a LIENUS.

When facts are staring at your lying face.

Your father the Devil must be really disappointed in you for coming so low this way!

Barristter07:
[s] You could have made the explanation if you have any Breeze don blow , fowl yansh yaff open . O ma se o

Explain what you meant by spirit is a person if you don't mean spirit person ? I like a point by peacefullove, the word person was never added to John 4:24, all we find there is Spirit. Is anyone wrong to add " person " ??


Father deciding where each spirit goes is what , if it isn't Judgement ? On what basis are some in hell and others in heaven . If this is not judgement, tell this thread , what it is ?

[/s]

The same deluded person

Peacefullove:
In short you are just empty, Dragging it up and down that spirit of man is a person. No text ever said God is a Spirit person. The word person wasn't added to John 4:24 . But because God is a Spirit and a person. Then he is a Spirit person.

Like I first told your deluded brother and which you also agree with here now.

@underlined is the key, the word SPIRIT PERSON is an invention of your demonic organization. Not from the scripture.

Just as you and your deluded brother lied that I said human spirit BECOMES SPIRIT PERSON.

You idiot is arguing against the word " Spirit person " but can boldly declare human spirit as a person. If it's " Spirit " and a " person " what does that make it?

See this clown

why can't you say "Human person" Olodo oshi.

Spirit of man is a person NOTHING LIKE YOUR BECOME SPIRIT PERSON

The point u can't deal with is making human spirit a person will means humans don't have flesh and bones.

Spirit of man is a person and human has flesh and bones.

The second point even reveal how illogical you are , You said Father decide where each spirit goes , concept of Judgment. Seeing u are outplayed as that would make God someone u made errors , u turn everything into game of words. It's beautiful seeing you end up like this. So good .

Cc: Barristter07

Smile....copy a clown like himself.

This clown won't cease to amaze me.

1. All spritis return to God says the Holy scripture
2. At death people go to hell and Abraham Bossom this is just a temporary abodes for wicked and righteous ones not judgement.

And the deluded JWs don't even know that believers will also be judged at the great white throne of Christ.

You'll see the question the idiot will ask now!

Peacefullove:
I don't . Because you know the concept won't accommodate Christian's to be God Almighty.

So you know that and you went on to say "Trinity is false, and your Millionity is right"

Very pathetic.

Peacefullove:
Do u now accept Trinity is false and Millionity is the truth ? That on the basis of that nature , Christian's are God Almighty ?

So do you accept Trinity exist before CHRISTIANS joined to become Millionity?

Peacefullove:
That's a Spirit person. In that case , humans won't be flesh and blood , you are so WRONG. In capital letters.

You're 10x WRONG in both in capital and small letters.

[s]Judgement is a decision, For you to say the Father Decides, that's a decision. If it's not judgement, then on what basis are some going to hell and others to heaven ?[/s]

My point is, is your own interjection which makes you a liar.

You can ask question on what I said not to interject your own stupid lies into my statement.

This is bigger than u can handle

Says the lying liar JWs!

Peacefullove:
Christians have that same nature too , then this is not Trinity but Millionity

Thank God you know

Peacefullove:
Spirit thing right ?

Barristter07 your friend is now denying spirit is a person

So you know what I said is SPIRIT IS A PERSON but decided to lie like your organization has taught you.

Father deciding where each spirit goes is what ?

Truly u don't have any sense

have you pick your sense from the 8 men walldrope?

Lying liar JWs.

Just provide where I said SPIRIT PERSON ARE BEING JUDGED.

livingchrist:
@bolded, you just agreed with Trinitarians, how so?
This is what Trinitarians are telling you.
The Father and Jesus has one God nature but different persons.
Jesus and the father has same divinity making Jesus and the father one God.

God's nature is the totality of his being, If God is Almighty in his nature so Jesus is also almighty because they have same nature.

The bold is even what scripture says in Phil 2:6

But see how the lying liar keeps exposing his demonic doctrines.

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS proven mumu wey no get SENSE..
Your bigotry and prejudice is extraordinary every day like zeeworld

This is all you can do.

But there is only ONE NATURE of God which the Father also has.

Jononsense na idiotic lying liar.

Peacefullove:
[s]" Human spirit is a person " Emusan

Unless it's not a person. If human Spirit in him is a person, there is no way it can have flesh and blood like humans do. The logical conclusion is human spirit is the breath of life.[/s]

So I didn't say SPIRIT PERSON but just from your twisted lying mouth.

@bold...
You're confused!

[s]Father decide where it will go . That's judgement, what else is it ? U can't play games here.

On what basis are some directed to hell and others to heaven ? A judgement has occured neccesitating that the final judgement reveal the Father made errors and mistakes in the first judgement.[/s]

Where did I say again that SPIRIT PERSON GETTING JUDGED

The lies your father the Devil has bestowed on you people are really making him proud.

Janosky:
[b]Emusan LIENUS wants the Bible to say what he wants by fire by force ....

Emusan isn't like your demonic organization that personally wrote her own version of the Bible in other to continue to deceive you people

All these are from the scripture

1. Holy Spirit has MIND....to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
2. Holy Spirit has emotions...to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
3. Holy Spirit has the ability of KNOWING....to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
4. Holy Spirit has WILL...to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
5. Holy Spirit will only SPEAK what HE HEARS...which is communication between two persons...to JWs lying liar, it's just a personification.

In what way do you expect Jesus to say "Wisdom is vindicated by all her children?"

Wisdom was mentioned to have had children ONCE

Holy Spirit was said to have MIND, TO KNOW, TO SPEAK, TO HEAR, HAVING WILL

The question still remains, can you tell us a person who DOESN'T HAVE ALL THESE?

In your Bible God had one on one convo with Jesus, with Moses etc, I challenge you to state any one on one convo between holy spirit and another person [/b]

Holy spirit speaks with Paul and prophets of Old.

Janosky:
"HAVING ACCESS TO MULTIPLE SOURCES OF INFORMATION" such " ATHANASIAN CREED" , of 3 idol spirits , the Emusan Bible twisting the holy Scriptures.

Shameless lying liar JWs like your father the Devil

The Author wasn't even talking about scripture, so on what basis will your lying organization has to use that work to the extent of twisting the author point of view?

Emusan forgeries have been proven on this forum, WAYO man still dey DECEIVE himself

See the shameless lying idiot....

Just as your organization forgeries have been proven here which you can't deny and cover your lying face in sand.

Janosky:
"the word was God", the term "God" is in reference to the NATURE or ESSENCE of the Word"
meaning:
"The word was divine (nature/quality)".

Mr LIENUS na mumu

But there is only ONE NATURE of God which the Father also has.

Jononsense na idiotic lying liar.

Janosky:

No ,not at all, Bros....

Not at waiting

Can't you see how your lying mouth being exposed by yourself here?

John 16:7, 14:26, 15:26 "Paraclete" is masculine "he" in Greek, (holy spirit personified as Advocate, Counsellor).
Holy spirit is ALWAYS neuter gender. (Itself, Romans 8:16,26 KJV..).

So Paraclete which is also Holy Spirit title is masculine, It's like God is using Bible to confuse us.

PERSONIFICATION the word the 8 men have been using to deceive you people.

1. Holy Spirit has MIND....to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
2. Holy Spirit has emotions...to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
3. Holy Spirit has the ability of KNOWING....to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
4. Holy Spirit has WILL...to JWs lying liar, that's a personification.
5. Holy Spirit will only SPEAK what HE HEARS...which is communication between two persons...to JWs lying liar, it's just a personification.

Then ask the lying liar JWs, in what way do you expect Scripture to have introduced Holy Spirit as a PERSON than what we have above?

They will go mute.

In the old testament, Exodus 31:18 holy spirit is finger of God.
Do you know you to know more than Jesus Christ who repeated the same time tested truth in Luke 11:20 . Matth12:28? .
Since the finger of God is a person to you, the eyes & ears of God are persons too, in your summation..
Bros, no dey DECEIVE yourself.

What you don't know is, in Greek the word SPIRIT is always in the neuter gender.

For instance, when Christ says "God is a spirit" the word "spirit" there is in neuter gender. Yet you won't say God isn't a person.

Peacefullove:
Very stupid analysis.

Very idiotic opinion.

You earlier said Spirit person return to the Father and he will direct it to where he wants it , which is hell or Abraham bossom for the wicked, A Judgement has occured here.

Where did I say SPIRIT PERSON?

Lying liar JWs like your father the Devil.

Here is what you don't know , Hell will release those in it and names will be Cross checked again . Signifying if ECC 12:7 was a reference to your spirit person getting judged, it means God MADE AN ERROR Calling for the need to cross check.

Where did I say again that SPIRIT PERSON GETTING JUDGED

The lies your father the Devil has bestowed on you people are really making him proud.

I'm waiting for the answers to my questions.

Janosky:
Who told you God's word is against critical thinking?
Is Romans 12:2 and Proverbs 2:10-15 missing in your Bible?

Where did he say God's word is against critical thinking

Can't you see you're the most deluded person?

Achorladey you are very DUBIOUS and very EVIL !
LIENUS you make yourself & proved to be..
I will post the screenshot EVIDENCES..

On what ground was he DUBIOUS and very evil

Imagine tagging someone "VERY EVIL" on what your screenshots also supported.

***[b]*
This is the copy of July, 2017, Watchtower you are LYING about to MISLEAD Nairaland.

BUILD UP YOUR DEFENSES
Jesus gave this simple rule for combating propaganda: “Know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31, 32) But since truth is often the first casualty of war, you​—like any other soldier in the heat of battle—​need a source of trustworthy, reliable information to prevent the enemy from playing tricks with your mind. Jehovah has provided this. In the pages of the Bible, you can find all you need to combat Satan’s propaganda.​—2 Tim. 3:16, 17.

Of course, the great propagandist, Satan, knows this. So he uses his system of things to discourage Bible reading and study. Do not fall for his devious schemes! (Eph. 6:11, ftn.) Become “thoroughly able to comprehend” the full scope of the truth. (Eph. 3:18) That will take real effort on your part. But remember this basic fact expressed by author Noam Chomsky: “Nobody is going to pour truth into your brain. It’s something you have to find out for yourself.” So “find out for yourself” by being diligent in “carefully examining the Scriptures daily.”​—Acts 17:11.

A man reads the Bible and is protected from various forms of propaganda
To win the battle for your mind, you must recognize the danger that propaganda poses and protect yourself from it

Keep in mind that Satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well. Why? Because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if people . . . are discouraged from thinking critically.” (Media and Society in the Twentieth Century) So never be content passively or blindly to accept what you hear. (Prov. 14: 15) Use your God-given thinking abilities and power of reason to make the truth your own.​—Prov. 2:10-15; Rom. 12:1, 2.

See the lying liar still defending the lying organization

Wasn't Acholadey right with what he said?

This is what the publication left out "...do not have access to multiple sources of information and if they are..."

By leaving this part out, didn't the publication change the author point of view?

The point of view of the author is "HAVING ACCESS TO MULTIPLE SOURCES OF INFORMATION" which your organization left out for the reason best known to them.

Or have you forgotten that the essence of this thread, is that your organization DUBIOUSLY hides CRITICAL TEXT from references to keep you people misinformed.

Is that not VERY EVIL act?

achorladey:
Here is one below.......

“Keep in mind that Satan does not want you to think clearly or reason things out well. Why? Because propaganda “is likely to be most effective,” says one source, “if people…are discouraged from thinking critically.” (Media and Society in the Twentieth Century.)
(ws17 07 p. 28)

Those with a background knowledge of JW thinking will quickly see why the ellipsis was needed to hide the inconvenient elements of this expert’s findings:

“Therefore, it is likely to be most effective if people do not have access to multiple sources of information and if they are discouraged from thinking critically. Michael Balfour has suggested that the “best touchstone for distinguishing propaganda from science is whether a plurality of sources of information and of interpretations is being discouraged or fostered.” (Media and Society in the Twentieth Century. – page 83)

They picking what will dance to their TUNE and should the need to manipulate is required. They will do it

Just imagine the lying twister organization doing the work of their father the Devil.

That's how they twisted Bruce M. Metzger work so teeee Metzger had to write them and stop them using his work.