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MaxInDHouse:
As a man Jesus must speak to God through prayer {Mark 1:35} but Moses spoke with God directly! Numbers 12:6-8

May you have PEACE!

But the Father is in Jesus, can you see your lying mouth?

Something the scripture never said about Moses, truly the spirit of your father working tirelessly in you.

MaxInDHouse:
Hen nah!
Let's see how both of you will agree! Luke 11:23

Agree on what if I may ask

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa, shame only comes when you and your fellow believers can't agree on terms, as for my organization we are ONE in the same line of thought! John 17:20-23 compared to 1Corinthians 1:10

So to your deluded mind because we have different opinion about scripture means we're not in agreement.

Purpose of the Book

30 The disciples saw Jesus do many other miraculous signs in addition to the ones recorded in this book. 31 But these are written so that you may continue to believe[d] that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life by the power of his name. NLT

May you have PEACE!

This is the last time I'll tell you this, stop using this on my post as you don't have the power to pronounce peace on someone.

Jesus has already given me HIS PEACE!

So shove your peace in your ass!

Janosky:
Athanasian Creed is your Bible

Mr LIENUS, did the New Catholic Encyclopedia make those points in the screenshot ?
As if you get liver,

The holy spirit was transformed by the Catholic Church with introduction of Greek and Persian (pagan) ideas

The great lying liar JWs Janonses can't provide the link simply because his lies and that of his father the Devil will be exposed.

Keep perambulating like a lost soul

MaxInDHouse:
No prophet (including Jesus) ever risen like Moses {Deuteronomy 34:10} it simply means Moses speaks with God directly {Numbers 12:6-8} not through prayer like other prophets! Matthew 26:36
But as for seeing God, the scriptures can't be more clarified NO MAN (including Moses) has seen God at any time! John 1:18

See delusion in display

Jesus who is the first created being and the person Jehovah used to create all other things isn't great more than Moses, your brain must be on vacation on this.

And Jesus who is a mighty spirit and even the very image of God didn't speak with God directly..... Oma seee ooooo

Yet your brother was arguing blindly that it is God's face that people can't see.

Barristter07:
Vision is not real. Transfiguration is a clear example.
No human can see God's Face in Reality and Live . God cannot lie.
No human can go to heaven, they will die.

But Stephen eyes were opened and saw God and Jesus.
Where was the Bible says REALITY? You've started inserting your lies again.
Human are already in heaven
See awkward reasoning, how will human find their way to heaven and still died?

Barristter07:
Moses Never saw God's Face , he was specifically told if he does, he would die.

Reduce the volume of the lies

But you just said no MAN has seen God

You can see you're the liar here.

MaxInDHouse:
Please convince him to agree with you because the Anglican Church is TRINITARIAN and all these arguments on the IDENTIFY of your TRINITY Dogheads is a shameful thing Sir!

So you think this is about confusing someone, see awkward reasoning.

I'm here to provide scriptural fact.

Just as your demonic doctrines are shamefully shameful for you and your organization.

Barristter07:

Vision is not real.

Transfiguration is an example of a vision, It doesn't mean Moses and Elijah were seen for real . Likewise seeing God in vision doesn't mean God was seen for real, even Scripture said no man has seen God at ANYTIME.

Am talking about reality, not vision

No man can see God's face and live, heaven is not for humans.

See the lying liar saying vision isn't real

Stephen saw both God and Jesus when he was being stoned to death.

That one isn't real too right?

Heaven is for human as people already in heaven.

Barristter07:
Enough of your lies God said NO MAN can see him and live.

But MOSES saw God
Or you mean God's face
You can see you're the liar here

Barristter07:
Your Yes indicate boldly that you meant what return to the Father that day was Jesus himself .

What are the Facts ?

You quoted the facts initially yourself, so stop asking nonsense question.

Jesus said days after He has not yet ascended to the Father

Emusan: you ascend

Jesus: I didn't

Who is lying between you and Christ ?

Like I said, always wearing your thinking cap but alas No but you'll keep exposing your ignorance on cyber space all the time.

Barnes Note is sufficient on this for you: "This is probably included in the word touch in this place; and the language of Jesus may mean this: "Do not approach me now for this purpose. Do not delay here. Other opportunities will yet be afforded to see me. I have not yet ascended - that is, I am not about to ascend immediately, but shall remain yet on earth to afford opportunity to my disciples to enjoy my presence."

Holy spirit is not the Father , right ?

So Jesus lied ONLY one persons when there are two

Yes and He's a person

Jesus didn't lie and the evidence from the scripture is that the Holy Spirit is a person because

1. The Holy Spirit has MIND
2. The Holy Spirit has ability to KNOW
3. The Holy Spirit has a will
4. The Holy Spirit can be grieved
5. The Holy Spirit has emotions
6. The Holy Spirit speaks
7. The Holy Spirit can be communicated with
8. The Holy Spirit has fellowship with believers

DappaD:
So what does position of authority or titles have to do with the nature of a being? Simple question.

So you didn't understand the point @livingchrist made before you type that rubbish.

The point is, for Jesus to still be an High Priest He must be a Human Being because ONLY as a human can one hold the office.


Do you grab it now?

Janosky:
Your Trinity mentors, the Catholic Church knows that Trinity is NOT scriptural.

Olodo...but Jesus is God, Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God according to the scripture.

But retain the scam to keep Mr LIENUS and others in bondage..

Just as your 8 men in USA are keeping all of you in bondage

In the entire Bible " God's spirit is NOT presented as a person" until Catholic Church FALSELY claim Matthew 28:19 for their 3 idol deity formula. "

That is why you can't answer my simple question

These are the scriptural truth about the Holy Spirit

1. Holy Spirit has MIND
2. Holy Spirit can be grieved
3. Holy Spirit has the ability of KNOWING
4. Holy Spirit can hear
5. Holy Spirit can Speak
6. Holy Spirit has emotions
7. Holy Spirit has a will

My question is, can you present a PERSON who doesn't have any of these?

NB.
The pagination of the online copy & hardcopy of the New Catholic Encyclopedia differs..

Provide the link here...Ode!

From the screenshot everyone can see that the only portion you provided was in reference to OLD TESTAMENT not the description of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament which I believe the discussion will address indepth but as usual you resort to the tactics of your lying organization of cherry picking source to suit their demonic doctrines.

You can see the seed your father the Devil has planted in your life through your demonic 8 men.

MaxInDHouse:
Wahala Yaso!

And it'll continue to Yaso for you.

OK now, why aren't you calling him LIAR! LIAR! or as usual HYPOCRITE! HYPOCRITE!

because I've not seen such spirit in him. So the thing they pains you so much like that, I see the reason your father the Devil is so much pained either.

He is saying Mr Holy Spirit is another angel

And do you also agree with him that Holy Spirit is an Angel?

but you're not abusing, insulting and cursing him the way you always do to me even though i try to be tactful and simple with my presentation.

See painment
This is the reason why I do call you hypocrite.

So you want to say, you don't abuse, insult and curse people who don't agree with you too

OK you're still trying to figure out the source of the teaching so that you can start labelling anyone that worshis there cultists shey?

He already said, he is an Anglican so what's your problem oh sorry you didn't read that but just jump into what doesn't concern you.

Deadi Bodi geti accident yeepa
Confusion breaki bonu yeepa
Na double wahala for deadi Bodi
And the owner of deadi Bodi
Double wahala for deadi bodi!

And I guess you're the deadi body here!

DappaD:
The rest of your comment is meaningless to me. I'd like you know where the highlighted was mentioned in my post or you just feel like twisting my words.

So after claiming the office of High priest wasn't meant for only Human, you can't provide where such office was occupied by Spirit Being, bah?

When your post is there to read, you want to change mouth ko

Henrymorre:
when the Bible made it clear that the Holy spirit is an angel, you are still doubting it. Oya Biko I don't argue stupid

Smile....

But the same Bible made it clear that Holy Spirit is God and ETERNAL, so how can that be when Angels are created?

Barristter07:
Peter see animals coming down from heaven in vision too. I guess the animals are real.

When humans see God's face in reality , tell me.

So you can see your lie of NO MAN has no place.

Human in heaven are seeing God's Face

Barristter07:
Because they are not humans but Spirit. Humans survive on blood, they can't live in heaven.

Human are living in heaven now

" No MAN " says God ...

But MAN do see vision of God, how come?

Barristter07:
That entrusted spirit is Jesus right ?

Yes! And a person

So according to Jesus how many persons Know ?

According to scripture Holy Spirit knows THE MIND OF GOD.

Janosky:
The Bible says you are LYING, Mr LIENUS.

The Catholic Church, your Trinity mentors and Godfather of Trinity Scam PROVE that Mr LIENUS is a LIAR..

Trinitarian source, the New Catholic Encyclopedia (Vol. 13, p. 575):

“The majority of N[ew] T[estament] texts reveal God’s spirit as something, not someone; this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God. When a quasi-personal activity is ascribed to God’s spirit, e.g., speaking, hindering, desiring, dwelling (Acts 8.29; 16.7; Rom 8.9), one is not justified in concluding immediately that in these passages God’s spirit is regarded as a Person; the same expressions are used also in regard to rhetorically personified things or abstract ideas (see Rom 8.6; 7.17). Thus, the context of the phrase ‘blasphemy against the spirit’ (Mt 12.31; cf. Mt 12.28; Lk 11.20), shows that reference is being made to the power of God.”

Yes, personifications are no positive proof of personality. For example, the Bible speaks of sin as ‘ruling as a king,’ “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Rom. 5:21; 7:8-11) Wisdom is similarly personified and is spoken of as having “children” and “works.” (Matt. 11:19; Luke 7:35) Yet no one would claim that this means that “sin” and “wisdom” are persons. Likewise the personifying of God’s spirit does not conflict with clear Bible testimony that it is indeed “something, not someone.”

The Catholic Church, your Trinity mentors and Godfather have DISPROVE your FALSE claims as JWs have consistently been doing on this forum.

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself.

First of all, provide the link to this, let's see the words you left out as your lying organization usually does by misquoting sources to brainwash you people.

Secondly, so Catholic is your authority now not the scripture, besides how will Catholics believe in Trinity as One God in 3 PERSONS but will still claim Holy Spirit isn't a person.

Lastly, the question I asked, you didn't answer but decided to attack a strawman.

1. Holy Spirit has MIND
2. Holy Spirit can be grieved
3. Holy Spirit has the ability of KNOWING
4. Holy Spirit can hear
5. Holy Spirit can Speak
6. Holy Spirit has emotions
7. Holy Spirit has a will

Can you provide A PERSON who doesn't have ALL THESE

Janosky:
Mr LIENUS forever ◄ Luke 7:35 ►
* New Living Translation But wisdom is shown to be right by the lives of those who follow it.
# Greek5043... . Mr LIENUS

Did you read this particular one?
I guess, your brain is in sleep mode when you're doing your copy and paste.

Luckydubby7:
And what are you putting in place to reduce or stop reoccurring this year?
Or their own is just to give report.

We can't do anything unless our vehicle operations are decentralized.

Check my signature on that

DappaD:
And who told you the position of High Priest was solely for humans?

Can you then show us A SPIRIT BEING that holds the position of high priest before?

In fact the tabernacle built and that position held by humans were only a copy, a shadow of the main reality—heaven and Jesus Christ. Hebrews 9:24

So why did Jesus has to come in HUMAN FLESH in other to occupy that role?

Aaron, when he entered into the Most Holy compartment on the specified month and day, appeared symbolically before the very presence of God and presented blood that wasn't his own in the behalf of himself, his household and the nation of Israel. Leviticus 16:2, Hebrews 9:7

The illustration here signifies that human blood or bull or calf can't take away sin except the heavenly being himself.

So the blood, the calf, The bull are all REAL

But Jesus, gave his own life as a ransom and his blood was poured out on behalf of many. Matthew 20:28, Hebrews 9:22

Yes to replace the bull and calf blood and flesh.

And since he's no longer a human but a mighty spirit being(1Peter 3:18)when he went to heaven, he presented the value of his blood before the ACTUAL presence of God which distinguishes him from humans who had been high priest in the past(Aaron,Eleazar etc). Hebrews 9:24-26

Jokes of JWs

So Jesus went to heaven with HUMAN BLOOD

The JWs delima claimed Jesus was a MIGHTY SPIRIT SON before coming to earth. Now, the same Jesus became mighty spirit being after resurrection. what is Jehovah trying to proof here

[quote author=Henrymorre post=97810638did the Bible say that God created every being including the Angels?[/quote]Yes Bible says Angels are part of God's creation.

Any thing uncreated is God and it means the thing isn't part of creation (or rightly put OUTSIDE the creation or creation can't be applied to that thing).

The Bible only states that in the beginning God created the heavens and earth.
Remember God still said let us make man

Us and the spirit of God hovered on the surface.
The holy spirit.
The angel of God.
Our lord

Actually I didn't grab your point here but Holy Spirit is part of that US because it was said to be hovering on the surface of water.

Henrymorre:
hope you have learnt and I have proved to you beyond every doubt, quoting the scriptures that the holy spirit is an angel of God. Who does not forgive if angered , no go and educate your pastor ;Dthanks.

The Bible you quoted didn't justify your claim, so my next question is to shield more light on it.

Henrymorre:


Isaiah 63:10-12
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? -

Continue reading. Who did they provoke?


Exodus 23:20-23
Behold, [b]I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.[/b]But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off


Check the bolded


Continue reading

Form the first paragraph, we can see the holy spirit started fighting against them. From the second paragraph, it was the holy spirit that God send to Moses to stand by him divide the great see and win wars, and if they fight against the holy spirit angel of God, then the first paragraph comes into play again.

So which means Holy Spirit is a created being

Is that what you're saying?

Barristter07:
No man can. If Jesus is a man, he can't .

But didn't people see God's face in vision, how come if no man can

Barristter07:
Jesus existence as a man simply means He can't access God's Face.

Exodus 33:20 - " He further said, “You cannot see My face, for mankind shall not see Me and live!” NASB

"But there's one God and one mediator between God and mankind, The MAN Jesus Christ"

And the scripture says Jesus went to heaven with His human nature and sat at the right hand of God.

In short Jesus is no longer a man.

Only Spirit beings can

" See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I tell you that their angels in heaven always look upon the face of my Father who is in heaven. " Matthew 18:10

The angels can look at God's face because they are also in heaven, if you find your way to heaven you'll also see God's face. That's why anyone who has a glance of heaven revelation does see God's face. Which nullified your lying of human can't see God's Face.

Yes! a mortal man can't see God's face but a regenerated man born after God can, this is the truth from the scripture.

Barristter07:
Read about personification in the same Dictionary.

Why can't you provide where A THING said to have the ABILITY TO KNOW?

Personification won't save your lying mouth here.

Luke 23:46 - Was Jesus in heaven the day he died?

Jesus entrusted His Spirit to His Father, so it's left for the Father to direct the Spirit to where He wants.

Test your assertion that human Spirit is a person.

Human spirit is a person!

Then two persons know, Making Jesus a LIAR

Jesus said the only person that knows, is the Father.

“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. ONLY the Father knows. " NLT

At least you agreed that The Holy Spirit knows the MIND of God.

And with the evidence from the scripture, Holy Spirit is a person.

If Jesus lied it's up to you or you make Him to be a liar but the scripture is very cleared on that, in Him there's no falsehood.

Henrymorre:
yes. And I quoted you with Bible verses and not from my own words. If you believe the Bible then all I've said is true. As the same Bible said the holy spirit is an angel. The problem with you people, is you don't read the old testament.

No where did Bible categorically say Holy Spirit is an Angel sir!

Henrymorre:
full-time Christian. Assemblies of God church

And you said, Holy Spirit is an Angel?

Auki:
Jesus was sent by Allah to preach to Children of Israel to avoid false worship and worship only Him alone.

However, Jesus as a God, Son of God or Trinity are all blatant lies.

The last time I check, Allah is an Arabic word.

So how can Allah send Jesus, and Jesus and His disciples couldn't speak Arabic?

Henrymorre:
the holy spirit is an angel neither is the holy spirit God.

Isaiah 63:10-12
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?That led them by the right hand of Moses with his glorious arm, dividing the water before them, to make himself an everlasting name? -

Exodus 23:20-23

Let me now express that here
Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.For mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off. -
Remember, only the holy spirit will not forgive when angered. We can clearly see that the holy spirit is indeed an angel.

Are you a Muslim because this your version of Holy Spirit is another one?