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Kobojunkie:
Are you blind to what is written in your own Bible? God there tells you what He wants for you to do; you think this has to do with me?

That's why I said you should go back and read about it, so that your eyes of understanding will be opened.

You can do research also!

Kobojunkie:
Yep. According to the pattern set by God for tithing in the old laws, the first two years, you eat your tithe the way he has stipulated there in Deuteronomy 14...

You didn't get it go and read more about that!

Kobojunkie:
What about the verses below from the very book of the law, where God tells the people to use the money they would have tithed to buy food and alcohol...


See where God tells the people that they should eat and drink(alcohol included) the tithe with their family and those who have none, for the first 2 years.

Even listen to yourself, FOR THE FIRST two years...

So is this supposed to be something repeating over and over again when the time frame has been set?

SirNiko:
Ecclesiastic 2: 14 and 8:15.

The book of ecclesiastic is found in the old testament and speaks so much about wisdom and life. My major surprise is that I hardly hear many Christians talk about this probably because they will say it is the old testament.

But when it comes to tithing, many church goers (who are definitely not true believers) will do anything to defend tithing as in the old testament and say Jesus didn't change the law of tithing. So my question is why do these same people see people that drink and enjoy themselves the way they like as sinners? If the Jesus didn't change the laws of the old testament in regards to tithing, how come the part of the old testament that clearly states that women should preach in the house of God is being changed by the pastors of today were we have women preaching in churches everywhere.

I am really curious about the way many church goers will end up in hell simply because of their lack of wisdom and this is the same wisdom this ecclesiastic is talking about.

First of all, I didn't see anything related to alcoholic drink in that Ecc 2:14 or you mean 24

Whatever verse you mean both Ecc 2:24 and 8:15 aren't LAW and nothing shows that the DRINK there was Alcoholic DRINK which Christian preach against, I guess that's your own addition.

Peacefullove:
Dont be deluded , it was a real fight. The text never called it a vision. Mumu is askimg me to get human opinions when his Bible says otherwise.

Hosea was a human opinions
That's how you'll know someone who lacks scriptural understanding.

Fully human ( flesh and bone ) according to Emusan, therefore that angel in human form is Fully human.

Those that visited Abraham SAT down to eat and drink , With which body , How could someone without bones sit ?? When they ate , they dont have teeth , which is a bone ?





Fully human to you means Flesh and bones. Angels appear with flesh and bones. Have given u an undeniable example.

Good u confess . Jesus claimed so due to the figure they see.

Liar Jesus didn't claim so because of the FIGURE THEY SEE BUT THAT

The disciples were TERRIFIED and FRIGHTENED, and supposed that they had SEEN A SPIRIT.

From Jesus own statement "and he said unto them, why are ye trouble and why do THOUGHTS (of seen a spirit) ARISE In your heart?
Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I MYSELF: handle me and see; for a spirit hath not FLESH AND BONES, as ye SEE ME HAVE"

Let the truth of the scripture continues to torment you.

You can provide similar statement like this from any of you HUMAN ANGEL, let's compare.

Every man enter heaven ? Wow . I thought heaven is too holy for sinners?

Who said this?

Meanwhile Jesus spirit returns to the Father YET he claimed he has not returned to him ?

Olodo go to Bible study and stop being online nuisance.

Now the question again: From where do Moses and Elijah get their physical form when Jesus whom is the Ressurection is yet to die for their sins or ressurect ?

Spirits do take human figure for human to see them.

Dead on arrival.
I told you they are dead men. Not spirits ... But rope yourself.

Jesus spirit return to the Father , YET Jesus claimed he has not been to the Father ... Does that not tell what return to the Father is not moses and Elijah themselves ?

Their spirit is in heaven....

Keep twisting the scripture

Where did Jesus say "He has not BEEN TO THE FATHER?"

Lair and deluded person.

Act 12:9

You clearly can't refute that point.

Peter knows it real , because peter thought its an Horama ... Horama is real, then this should be correct that Peter knows its real . agree ?


Finally : How could someone you claimed have divine nature only does that through a vision ?

Still grasping straw man...

What I've provided here has proved you to be a liar!

You'll still remain in your confusion until you receive sense to decipher what I've posted.

Peacefullove:
According to Emusan , FULLY HUMAN ( FLESH AND BONES ) ... Then Angel that fought with Jacob was Fully human. Sense no just dey for you

An Angel fought Jacob , Some sat down with Abraham ... Na ordinary flesh sat down to eat ? Na ordinary flesh wrestle ??

They lack bones . Mumu

Firstly, to even repeat that ANGEL FOUGHT with Jacob speaks volume of your lack of Bible knowledge. Just like I said before, go and get a good scholar review of that verse and stop disgracing yourself on public forum.

Angels do take on HUMAN FIGURE to appear to human but that doesn't mean they are FULLY HUMAN....

When the angel was asked are you the man? His response " YES , I AM "

Who is the " I " ?

Either the angel and Jesus are both saying the truth , or both are lying.

The Angel didn't lie neither Jesus and they are boldly saying the truth which means Jesus was actually human having FLESH and BONES as spirits don't have and the Angel was actually "THE MAN"

Only if you even understand @underlined since majority of you even lack simple English comprehension, what do you expect?

Eccl 12:7 Every human spirit automatically goes to heaven then.

They are dead men. Not spirits

So explain how they appear physical to be seen when Jesus himself whom is The Ressurection is yet to die for mans sin ?

You're right, every human spirit goes to the Father but the Father decides where they will be.

SPIRITS do appear in HUMAN FIGURE for human to SEE THEM, I'll continue ringing it into your deaf ears.

If Horama is reality , that Means Act 12:9 that said Peter didn't know its real is a lie. All what peter knows was that it was just an Horama . but didn't know it was reality

Both are different.

Why would someone with a divine nature had to do that through an Horama ( vision ) ? Trinity crashes

Still grasping straw man...
What I've provided here has proved you to be a liar!

You'll still remain in your confusion until you receive sense to decipher what I've posted.

Peacefullove:
Guy man sharply comot from the spirit talk , Ecc 12:7 go wound am.

They are dead men . not spirit beings

The spirit of dead men is their Breath.

Can human eyes behold a Spirit person . So for apostles to saw them FOR REAL, they are actuallly physical. Which begs the Question: How can they be physical when the ressurection hasn't occurred

Your propose the below:

" SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human...
" - Emusan

You finally admit they are Human, The question again: How did they get back their human body when Jesus is yet to ressurect the dead ??

Olodo....

Taking HUMAN FIGURE didn't mean THEY BECOME FULLY HUMAN....there's difference between taking up human figure/appearance and FULLY HUMAN.

I know you'll still bring Jesus case here...but just like I've said on that, Jesus didn't take on human figure/appearance but was FULLY HUMAN because He said "...IT IS I MYSELF, touch me and see for A SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see me HAVE"

Jesus statement here means human can actually see a SPIRIT BEING in human form but that doesn't mean the spirit has FLESH AND BONES at that particular time.

Moses and Elijah spirit are in heaven...

Horama is not alethes .

Agree ?

Horama was the case of Peter too.
Peter saw , stare , sight animals dropped from heaven , He SAW, BUT ARE THEY REAL ANIMALS ?

Act 12:9 That which is real and truth is alethes , Not horama an ordinary sight.

Horama is not alethes , agree ?

But you're claiming Horama isn't REALITY


Ole....

Anyways, the two words and their meanings are there for you to battle with.

Peacefullove:
How useless Jesus death is , So man dont even need Jesus to enter heaven . Wow , not even original sin can stop man from entering heaven.

To cure your delusion Ecc 12:7 ALL SPIRIT return to Heaven , Does that mean wicked people also go to heaven if this spirit is persons ?


Let me keep the second point .

This your tactics of hide and seek won't work! That's how you'll be coming up with different meaningless point just to deviate from the main point.

You claimed MOSES and Elijah aren't spirit for them to appear in human figure, I then told you they are spirit in heaven. instead of addressing that you shift post to another thing.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for you to show us from that verse where it says THEY HAVE FLESH!

Peter saw a sight of animals coming down from heaven, But the animals are not true/Real animals

Act 12;9 proved that Horama is a sight not an Actual Real presence.

You asked for meaning and I gave it to you only for you to revert back to your original statement.

Your mumu grade knows no bounds.

According to strong Greek:
Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth

Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision!

Let me add to your confusion:

Horama is from "Horao" which according to Strong Greek means; properly, STARE AT, i.e (by implication) to discern CLEARLY (physically or mentally); by extension, to attend to; I by Hebraism, to experience, to appear: - behold, perceive, SEE, take heed

Let me keep watching your ignorance!

Peacefullove:
This is why I asked why Did God wait till Peter separated from others to show him the vision from heaven . then since its secret its secret, The animals are real . mind you even this event is an Horama. Before you start speaking from both side of your mouth.

The bold is utter nonsense, If Horama is Real . it means Peter knew the angel was actually present and Act 12:9 is a lie.

Until you find out and understand the meaning of Horama I posted earlier, if not you'll continue in your delusions.

And with their naked eyes they behold a physically present Moses and Elijah ?



Moses and Elijah are not spirit beings !!!

For them to have flesh means They have been ressurected. Deal with it.

MOSES and Elijah spirit are in heaven

Who told you that they have FLESH? that's the question you still failed to answer!

Explain the difference between REAL and Horama at Act 12:9 ?

Sight is the key . an eye witness is simply someone who testify what they see

Explain the difference between Horama and Real at Act 12:9 ??

According to strong Greek:
Alethes: True (as not concealing): - true, truly, truth

Horama: SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision!

Let me keep watching your ignorance!

Peacefullove:
If you want to see how clueless their Reality claims are , Ask them if Moses and Elijah were physically present ? They will dodge because a physical present demand a physical body, AND THEY WILL NEED TO EXPLAIN WHERE THE TWO GOT THIS BODY FROM WHEN JESUS IS YET TO DIE TALKLESS OF RESSURECTION OCCURING. has been running away from that since 1900 BCE

Stop spamming my mention, OK!

@underlined really shows that you can never be delivered from the spirit of lies.

Angels have a physical presence in the scripture and they don't have PHYSICAL BODY

So spare us your delusion.

Peacefullove:
Mumu, How many persons were there When Peter Saw the vision OF THe ANIMALS from heaven ?

Your logic is like saying why didn't God showed him the Vision when he was with others and not when he separated himself to the housetop to pray ?

It proves nothing, Neither the animals were real just as Moses and Elijah too were not real . Tell me if neither the animals or Elijah and Moses were physically present ??

Like I do say, you lack simple comprehension!

If Horama isn't REAL then the event can happen even when millions of people are present but the ONLY TARGETED person(s) will receive it.

But for Jesus to withdraw just three persons TO A SECRET PLACE means He wants them to have FIRST HANDS REALITY that was why He transfigured BEFORE THEM (which means in their presence)

SPIRIT beings do take on HUMAN figure so that they can be seen by human...

Do you know the implication of that jargons you wrote up there , It means Since Peter thinketh the presence of the Angel is an horama, Peter already knew it was Reality!!! Making Act 12:9 a LIE !!!

Peter didn't knew it was Reality . Peter thoughts were WRONG that it was an horama , an unreal sight or vision.


And beautiful thing is Horama is not a synonym of Alethes which is ReALITY !!!

Act 12:9 isn't wrong but your deluded mind is.

Yet someone can be AN EYESWITNESS to an UNREAL SIGHT...

Again, claiming that Horama isn't REAL is height of stupidity.

Until you find out what that means.

freshboi88:
It's just plain dumb. The guys intelligence is -100.
Immediately he said that it just confirmed my suspicion that he is really dull

You got it right!

freshboi88:
How can Peter be an eye witness to a vision. Does it make sense to you. So the human eyes can now see into the subconscious?

That's what delusion can caused.

You can see his lying and twisted mouth...

Imagine even said Peter is an EYESWITNESS to a VISION and this is the same person who has been trying to proof that VISION isn't REALITY.

First time I'll hear someone bear an EYESWITNESS to non reality event.

Peacefullove:
Matthew 17:9

And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead

You're a great idiot....

Even after quoting Peter own statement for you, what did you say? It means he was there to WITNESS the VISION. is that what EYESWITNESS means?

Liar like your father the devil...

I've even said from onset that, if it's a vision, then no need of Jesus TAKING THEM TO A SECRET PLACE because vision can happen in the midst of millions people but only the person(s) receiving the vision will know what is happening while the rest won't even aware of anything.

So for Christ to take them to SECRET PLACE with Horama as SOMETHING GASED AT and from Peter own statement that HE WAS AN EYESWITNESS truly prove you to be a liar.

This is the main problem you and emusan faced , how someone who is claimed to be Divine nature on earth needed to do that in a vision and not reality Is A SLAP on the Face of your claims.

When you even notice that I was the one who first asked you that question which you couldn't answer but trying to proof that it's not REAL but VISION with a twisted mouth because you know if you take it to be REALITY then you've roped yourself into trouble which is the reason you've been fighting tooth and nail to shift it into VISION.

Mumu

Peacefullove:
All I want to know is if a sperm fertilize the Eggs ? U can't play around one as a miracle and dismiss the other

And I've told you that no sperm fertilized the egg the human nature was done by the Holy Spirit.

The other one isn't miracle because THE PERSON existed in heaven before He was SENT TO EARTH.

In doing so, you're to tell us WHAT THE FATHER SENT

Was is it the WHOLE PERSON which include both Divine Nature, Consciousness, and Intelligence?

because of your lack of comprehension you've forgotten the point of view which is centered of DIVINE NATURE DWELL in BODILY....

So, by knowing what the Father sent then we can know if it's QUALITY/Nature.

But it's evident you know the implication of revealing who the Father sent that's why you keep dodging the question.

And if you failed to answer that now, that's end to our discussion!

Besides what are you trying to prove ,Mary Carried Gods nature in her womb for 9 months making her Mother of God?

Answer my question first, idiot!

What did the Father sent?

Complete person including divine nature or just LIFE FORCE?

Liar 10.0

Peter thought it was a Vision

Meaning : He was thinking all what was happening is just a gaze ( Vision) , But NOT AN EVENT IN REALITY .



Gazed at BUT NOT REAL. Let that sink

Exactly Peters thought He was just viewing it like film but in reality was still in prison , He dismiss it as Horama Rather than Reality .

Very clear .



Moses and Elijah appear in what form, physically present ? Clearly two persons were standing .


I PUT THAT TO YOu!



Peter dismiss what was happening as ordinary vision and NOT REALITY. Clearly Horama is not reality. Keep grabbing straws.



Gazed at But NOT REAL

That's why Peter dismiss what was happening as HORAMA.
The key word here is its not REAL.

Finally your dull brain now picked up GAZE

Olodo....how can you gaze at what isn't real?

Also, you only GAZED AT something with your naked eyes.

That's why I that you earlier that vision is different from dream! because vision mostly happenes when the person is FULLY CONSCIOUS with ALL THE SENSES

But your dull skull couldn't just grasp it.

Reality when even your deluded mind is not ready to explain with which form Moses and Elijah appear . U know You be will teared to pieces.

WHICH FORM DID THE VERSE SAY THEY APPEARED?

Was that not my first question to you?

Barawo....

Same Horama, see your life.
Ananiah wasn't physically present.
Was Moses and Elijah physically there with the apostles ??

U no get shame .

It's evident that you've lost touch with the main point and the only thing left is to be beating about the bush.

I said Jesus transfigured "BEFORE THEM" which is what the verse says but you went on to bring the story of Ananiah which is different from the point I raised.

Now, you lump the whole thing together on VISION...

Oma se oooo

And Apostle Peter himself testified to this when he said "For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain."

Can you see as your life outside?

So those raised in the likeness of Christ can die?

Only first ressurection promised that those experiencing it won't be over powered by second death. No such promise is guaranteed to others, whereas The second resurrection has both Righteous and unrighteous ( John 5:28,29) hearing Yeshuas voice at the same hour . So this Righteous ones are non Christian , how are they righteous then??

You're still confused!

The question you refused to answer is what hurting you now.

Are all FOLLOWERS of Christ going to die with Christ?

The more you keep dodging questions the more it will keep hurting you.

So the angel that fought Jacob Is fully human? U no just have sense. I dey always tell you

A fully human has blood na Mumu, Why is Jesus not having blood ? Zombie . He claimed a figure he assumed just like that Angel.

Oponu oshi...

Go and read the story of Jacob very well from a scholarly source because the more you stick with watchtower magazine and awake the more your dull brain will remain.

Jesus statement is this "NIV: Look at My hands and My feet. See! It is I, Myself! Touch Me and see for yourself. A spirit does not have flesh and bones as I have.”

NLT: Look at my hands. Look at my feet. You can see that it’s really me. Touch me and make sure that I am not a ghost, because ghosts don’t have bodies, as you see that I do.”

NWT: See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself; touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones just as you see that I have.”

Only a chronicle liar will read another meaning into this verse.

The angel didn't lie, likewise Jesus.

Then the angel entered heaven with the human body!

Peacefullove:
What fertilize that Baby ? Sperm ?

Until u answer that It was sperm . The whole event was a miracle.

If not because your brain is paining you you wouldn't have spew this thrash.

Then let say Jesus as a PERSON (NATURE WITH CONSCIOUSNESS AND INTELLIGENCE) was in heaven before He was sent a BABY to Mary womb.

You are actually the liar ..

He said peter didn't know it was real

Peter thought it was vision

Peters thought wasn't correct for the phrase " didn't know it was real " to be Correct. Its a reality not vision.

Act 12:9


" And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was REAL "

REALITY

" but thought he was seeing a vision. ( horama) "

Do u have sense ? Peter didn't know its REALITY

He thought ( thinks ) its a vision ( not real )

Reality is not a vision.

" I didn't know it was real, I thought its a vision" ... Does that not communicate to you that vision is different from reality ?

Did Peter think What the angel was doing was Real ?

The verse would be a Lie if Peter knows it was real. Cos it says Peter don't know it was real. But knows its a vision. That means vision is not reality.

Because the verse says Peter didn't know DOES THAT make HORAMA not REALITY as you previously FORCED THE SCRIPTURE to say?
Lair....

The meaning of Horama as being given to you, if you like continue to twist it.

Okay with which body do they appear since Jesus hasn't even died for anyone to be ressurected with either Spiritual or physical body ?

If real , tell me which body with which Moses and Elijah appeared ?

But Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT....

My first question to you is that, show us from the verse the BODY they were said to appear?

It's evident you just read your own delusion out from that

A Vision is not real , In a vision many animals appear to Peter from heaven , so it means animals dwell in heaven ? Do u have sense ? I doubt

Dead point. Jesus said only few will see that vision , so he took the few to where many won't see them .

But Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT....
So until you can wrap your dull skull into that meaning then you'll understand what we're discussing here!

So Jesus has to TAKE FEW PEOPLE TO A SECRET PLACE for the so called VISION to happen!

This is evidence that you know it was A REALITY EVENT but just decided to remain deluded.

You are now grabbing straw's
Paul saw Ananiah in a VISION come in before him and restore his sight when Ananiah himself is yet to move an inch.


You further proved right Vision ain't reality!!!

You ignorance is stinking...

Jesus transfiguration happened "BEFORE THEM (in their korokoro eyes, in their presence)" but Ananiah wasn't there with Paul when he had his own experience, so everyone knows what that means.

Correct . first ressurection.

We will all DIED with Christ so also will be resurrected in the LIKENESS OF CHRIST

Because he walk through walls , the doors are locked . point is He can claim to be a man if he appear in a man figure.

Oh the angel wasnt lying

DID HE only CLAIM to be A MAN? Liar....

He confronted their THOUGHT to TOUCH HIM for A Spirit has no flesh and bones as YOU SEE ME HAVE...

This is a fact that spirit can appear in human figure but NOT FULLY HUMAN (having FLESH and BONES), just the appearance.

Point proved.
That's the point at bold.

A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN HAVING FLESH AND BONES then go to heaven with the same FLESH and BONES....

That's nice of your logic.

Peacefullove:
Jesus died. Deal with it , that exclude him from that Hebrews 1:10-12

So why didn't your deluded organization use JEHOVAH in that verse?

Just like I said earlier, Jesus is the FOUNTAIN OF LIFE, THE LIFE

Nebuchadnezzar and Jesus are both called King of Kings . in the same sense?

U no get sense .. Now you are contrasting Jesus with his Father in the usage of First and Last , Mumu . show me where the Father ever said " I was Dead " ??

Imagine, so first and last has two different meanings bravo!

So in what SENSE does Jesus and His Father both called the First and the last? and also the LIVING?

At least you know Jesus and Nebuchadnezzar are both KING

Peacefullove:
To run just dey hungry You. Is this tough for you ?

Ok

Interesting U mean no sperm fertilized the egg like it should be , Sending Jesus as a baby follow the same format . miracle.

You truly lack wisdom and it's very obvious!

So WHAT BECAME THAT BABY?

THE BABY WAS ONCE A PERSON IN HEAVEN. isn't it?

WAS THE WHOLE PERSON (INCLUDING HIS NATURE) bacame the BABY or just one part of the PERSON....

This is the point you're still dodging and it's about consume your ignorance.

Oh oh oh the writer of Act 12:9 is the height of stupidity because he clearly said it that HORAMA IS NOT REALITY ?? ?? ??

How can you boldly lie like this?

Where was the writer says HORAMA IS NOT REALITY?

I posted the meaning which clearly says SOMETHING GAZED AT i.e SIGHT, vision.

Most translations say " VISION" it's not reality . That Horama was even contrasted with reality has Already killed your deluded point.

I know u have search every usage of Horama and this is the only one u can hold on to , cos others will finish you in an instant, So I already know u will reply this way , or else u will have brought another verse. E dey sweet me

Horama is not reality!!! Act 12:9

Horama is SOMETHING GAZED AT...that verse didn't say Horama isn't reality that's just your selfish conclusion.

How exactly does Horama proved me a liar when the same Bible says its not the same as Reality ? How ? Explain ?

Or do I need to insert Act 12:9 into your head again.

Because Horama means SOMETHING GAZED AT that's why vision is different from DREAM.

Can the human eyes perceive spiritual beings ? So in a reality setting how could ordinary humans see them ?? This is what demand the question , WHERE DID THEY GET THEIR HUMAN BODY FROM IF THEY WERE REAL

Yes!

Show us where the verse says THEY APPEAR WITH HUMAN BODY first! I've told you stop asking stupid question when you first asked question!

For illustration: Either spiritual or physical body , both are Only available at Ressurection. So how could they get a body if not that it was as described , a Vision ?

So you mean they already resurrected for them to appear in a vision? Because if it's a vision the body they also APPEARED with must be SPIRITUAL BODY.

And the human does that through a VISION , DOES THAT NOT SHOW YOU ARE DELUDED TO THINK OTHERWISE ?

JESUS transfiguration is a REALITY EVENT that's why Jesus has to take the three disciples INTO A SECRET PLACE!

If it's something that comes like illusion, the event could've taken place anywhere, like when Jesus was in the synagogue.

The verse added "...BEFORE THEM" which is REALITY.

U got no comment ? Are the righteous ones in the second resurrection unchristian?

They will resurrect in the LIKENESS of the resurrection of Christ! which means if Christ resurrected as A SPIRIT BEING then they will be resurrected as a SPIRIT BEING TOO.

They disciples also saw the figure of a man.

And thinking they saw GHOST or didn't they?

Was the angel lying that he was a Man ? Answer

Is the angel LYING ??

Already answered!

If the angel is not lying, Jesus too wasn't lying .. A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN.

Let me complete your statement for you:

A spirit in human form can claim to be MAN HAVING FLESH AND BONES then go to heaven with the same FLESH and BONES....

That's nice of your logic.

Peacefullove:
Okay , so who says I became dead in that same place ? That's what I want to know.

Jesus!

Now, Christ Himself said "....And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one,..." 17-18 NWT

This is the same expression about the Father

Not only the Father said to be "the First and the Last" but also having this unique attribute "The Living God, the LIVING FATHER"

Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever!

I know your dull brain can't handle this.

Peacefullove:
Guy dont run . I know u wanted to run

So if I decided not to reply to your deluded post means I run!

Just like I said, failure to answer my question anymore means bye bye.

Mary birth God from His womb

Mary Carry the divine nature in her womb making her Mother of God. You can't escape it. Man

Says a deluded JWs...

Only a deluded man make analysis from miracle. Which sperm fertilize Marys egg?

FOR THE LAST TIME on this

WHAT DID THE FATHER SEND TO EARTH?

The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary which lead to the Miraculous formation of the Human Baby!

So tell us what the Father sent from heaven to EARTH?

U called Act 12:9 a liar ?

This is again the first meaning of Horama I posted from Strong

The Greek word translated as vision is "Horama" which strong described as: something gazed at, i.e a spectacle (especially supernatural): - sight, vision

So to say Horama isn't REALITY is height of stupidity.

I think I need to ring it into your head more .

Act 12:9. HORAMA IS NOT REALITY .

" ' And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel WAS REAL, BUT THOUGHT he was seeing a vision [horama] "

Horama is not reality. Peter thought it was just an unreal vision which means He actually is still in the prison but saw himself been freed . But Unknown to him it wasn't an horama BUT REALITY

You are so deluded that you can't see that Horama was contrasted with reality here.

Burning bush is a vision

Act 7:31 Darby " And Moses seeing it wondered at the vision; and as he went up to consider it, there was a voice of [the] Lord, "

We are talking about actual Reality.

Its getting more than you think

Ole....Burning bush was REALITY the description perfectly said it all.

Also, I've reposted the meaning of Horama in STRONG which is about REALITY so stop lying.

This question again, "why did Jesus has to take the three disciples to a SECRET PLACE if what happened was just illusion?

Vision is not Reality ( Act 12:9 )

U are hanged on this one

Both the burning bush, reason why Jesus has to take them to a secret place, and the meaning of Horama have proved you to be a liar.

If its reality, Where did Moses and Elijah got there human body from with which they appear ? Has Ressurection occured ??

Them where does the verse say they appear in HUMAN BODY?

vision ! Not reality


So QUESTION: HOW COME it was a vision , if he has the divine nature for real ?

idiot I asked you question which you didn't answer but stupidly asking me question again.

It's REALITY!

So tell us how can ORDINARY HUMAN transfigure without DIVINE NATURE that was my first question!

Not all , that's why there is First and second ressurection. Second is general godly together with ungodly ones . all this godly/righteous ones in the second are not Christians ?? Tell me something interesting

So you means not ALL FOLLOWERS of Christ died with Christ...very interesting!

So which figure did the apostles saw ?

U no just wise . Figure they saw doesn't mean that's who he is.

The man said Yes . that's all I need. He proved the figure right

Jacob fought an angel, TOUCHED him and yet was called a man, because he appeared in Flesh and bones.

As long as that Angel in the case of Manoah is not lying, Jesus too is not lying, they were proving the figure seen Right.

This statement below is self explanatory!

Manoah: Are you the man my wife said talked to her
Angel of the Lord: Yes! Why? because the figure
the woman saw was the figure of a man , no further question to actualise the NATURE.
So which figure did the apostles saw?

Jesus disciples were so AFRAID when THEY SAW a FIGURE of a MAN and thought it to be GHOST but for Jesus to proof it to them, Jesus challenged them to TOUCH HIM "For a SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see ME HAVE"

The verse is very clear but only deluded JWs will read another meaning into it.

Are u insinuating He LIED ??

Because I dont know your problem here.

He didn't because that was the question the Angel was asked as that's what the woman saw. They're understanding changes immediately the Angel went to heaven with the same APPEARANCE.

In the case of Jesus

1. THEY SAW A FIGURE OF A MAN

2. BUT THOUGHT He WAS A GHOST

3. Jesus clear their THOUGHT by proving to them that what they are SEEING is actually HUMAN LIKE THEM not just freaking Ghost. "look at my hands AND TOUCH ME for a SPIRIT has no FLESH AND BONES as you SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus clear says "HE HAS FLESH AND BONES" but a deluded JWs says no Jesus is lying.

achorladey:
Another example concerning.......

But in their support for the insertion of the Jehovah in the New Testament one of their main point is that where the New Testament writers quoted from the Old Testament is the BELOW........

Look at 1 Peter 2:3 Notice that the reference source

The Hebrew Scripture quotation is found at Psalm 34:8: Taste and see that JEHOVAH is GOOD, O YOU people; Happy is the able-bodied man that takes refuge in him.

Therefore, according to the stated translation policy of the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION,

1 Peter 2:3 should read: . . . that through [the word] YOU may grow to salvation, provided YOU have TASTED that JEHOVAH is KIND. Coming to him as to a living stone, rejected, it is true, by men, but chosen, precious, with God.

The "LIVING STONE…REJECTED…by MEN" in this passage is most certainly JESUS.


NWT......1 Peter 2:3,4 provided you have tasted that the LORD is KIND. 4 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but chosen, precious to God

That's why no New Testament scholar takes their bias translation serious because their NWT was internationally design to support their evil doctrines.

Peacefullove:
Revelation 1:18 ' I BECAME DEAD '

Should I bold the word " Dead " ?

Ole....

Even the verse you cherry pick proves you to be a liar!

"....And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, and the living one,..." 17-18 NWT

Jesus Himself is the FOUNTAIN OF LIFE, it's only in the deluded JWs imagination that a LIFE Himself can died.

For the last time! If you boycott or dodge any of my questions, I'm done with you!

Because using that tactics won't work.

Peacefullove:
Mark 6:3 says ? Jesus son of Mary

Guy, Mary gave birth to GOD from his womb.

No wonder there's no difference between you and the PEOPLE who called Jesus son of Mary because two of you are very carnal.

Crazy man, So fertilizing the egg is not miracle , na sperm fertilize am?

Idiot you're still dodging my question.

What did the Father send?

In Marys womb

Mary is the Mother of God.

Says deluded person!

The idiot is even proving Greek , Guy u dont know anything .

Act 12:9

' And he went out and followed him. He did not know that what was being done by the angel was real, BUT THOUGHT he was seeing a vision [horama] '

Horama is not reality

Liar like your father the Devil!

Horama is what is what the writer of Acts used for Moses in the experience of the "Burning Bush"

"When he saw this, he was amazed at the sight. As he went over to get a closer look, he heard the Lord say:" Acts 7:31

The word translated as 'SIGHT' was HORAMA

So that your question. Just keep shut. So u are so silly to find evidence inside a vision . Ah e get as e be guy

Why should it be a vision if he had the divine nature for real ?? Answer o

The description of that event pointed to reality.

If it's to be a vision, God could have allowed them to experience it anywhere since nobody will know about it apart from them but for Jesus to PERSONALLY TOOK three of His disciples to a SECRET PLACE and TRANSFIGURE in their presence speaks volume.

So back to my question. How can ordinary human being TRANSFIGURE?

Act 24:15 ressurection of godly and UNGODLY.

So are this ones dead in Christ ?

U no just have sense. Apply it to them too na since its all the dead . mumu

For the last time because I know your dull brain can never assimilate anything and it's so obvious how you intentionally dodged my question just to divert attention because you know it will expose you and your father the Devil.

This was my question "are ALL CHRISTIANS not died in Christ?

The verse says If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection" NWT

Well I know people like you will not die with Christ!

But the angel is not lying ba ? That's what I need

Jesus too wasn't lying, though spirit but can claim to be flesh. Like that Angel did

Manoah: Are you the man my wife said talked to her
Angel of the Lord: Yes! Why? because the figure the woman saw was the figure of a man, no further question to actualise the NATURE.

Jesus disciples were so AFRAID when THEY SAW a FIGURE of a MAN and thought it to be GHOST but for Jesus to proof it to them, Jesus challenged them to TOUCH HIM "For a SPIRIT has no FLESH and BONES as you see ME HAVE"

The verse is very clear but only deluded JWs will read another meaning into it.

And the angel is telling the truth , Yes ?

This thing no hard na

If the Angel is actually MAN, tell us how he went STRAIGHT to heaven WITH THE SAME HUMAN BODY

No , God nature as well or didn't the God nature in his body passed through her vagina too??

Mary is the mother of God. Just agree.


Its nice , keep it coming

Says the deluded JWs.

Peacefullove:
That question dey fear u
Kindly show me where I said there is a Greek word translated personality in the verse ?

So how did you come about PERSONALITY from that verse?

It means you just injected your bias view into it.

Then if there's no GREEK WORD rendered PERSONALITY, now back to my first question.

How can someone who is The same yesterday, today, and forever died?

Peacefullove:
Then God nature dwell in that baby
God dwell in Marys womb , Mary is the Mother of God !!!

Yet The child is not called the Son of Mary.

Your brain is paining you

I can see you've stylishly boycotted my question but I won't allow that!

What was sent by the Father?
DIVINE NATURE
LIFE FORCE

Tell me what ferterlized Marys egg... Sperm?

You can't evade this with miracle and be asking useless questions.

You're the very one who need to answer that question.

For the last time, the miracle there is that HYPOSTATIC UNION occurred which isn't something human understanding can grab.

So the DIVINE NATURE DWELLS IN BODILY

U no just wise

Transfiguration is a vision.

And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of Man is raised from the dead. -Mat 17 vs 9

You just keep exposing your ignorance.....

So it means they didn't experience it live bah
Your mumu never do

The Greek word translated as vision is "Horama" which strong described as:
something gazed at, i.e a spectacle (especially supernatural): - sight, vision

From the narration of that event, one can see that the disciples were not described to be in a state of rest.

So to my question: How can ORDINARY HUMAN BEING transfigure if there's no Divine Nature in Him?

Even the ungodly will be raised , So the ungodly are also Christians that have been planted in the likeness of His death?

The verse is not applying to all , and to those it applied It mean raises as Spirit being, Spiritual isn't physical.

Do the ungodly died in Christ?

As usual limiting the verse to specific people when the verse is self explanatory on its own.

LIAR.... "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

The question is, are ALL CHRISTIANS not died in Christ? the verse clearly says as WE ALL DIED in Christ WE WILL ALL also be in LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION.

Ole...

The angel just appeared as man, and CLAIM TO BE MAN! Though in reality he is a spirit. Apply same to Jesus

If not because your brain is paining you, the writer USED the Angel of God but THE WOMAN saw MAN APPEARANCE and assumed to be a man.

Even verse 16 said ".....and Manoah KNEW NOT that he was an angel of the Lord"

Even after the burnt offering both the woman and the husband perspective change as they FELL ON THEIR FACES to the ground.

First the last time, if the angel is a man, DID HE GO TO HEAVEN WITH HIS HUMAN NATURE?

Oh its vision fight yet Jacobs was wounded ? The angel appeared as man and fight him phsysically , didn't he have flesh and bones ? Smh

Calculate your lies before u blow it.

While you calculate your ignorance!

For the moment , just as an angel claim to be human for the moment.

He didn't claimed Ole...

The angel only answered the man's question, were you THE MAN who spoke with my wife? Since the angel didn't reveal who he was to them.

Did the Angel lied that he was a man ? Your logic is as dead as dead sea

Just as your logic was perverting the scripture...

The Angel answered the man's question.

Jesus challenged His own followers by saying "Spirit doesn't have Flesh and bones as YOU SEE ME HAVE"

Jesus confirmed His own REAL HUMAN NATURE

Guy man, when did the God nature enter na if Mary didn't born it ? ? Confused bunch

Mary gave birth to the HUMAN NATURE OF CHRIST.

So you accept image of the heavenly one is not same as image of God ? Finish na . 2Pet 1:4 then refer to this image when it says Divine nature.

Still spewing thrash....

Peacefullove:
Jesus been the same yesterday, today and forever never means he never died. Accepted ?

Don't ask me stupid question

You didn't answer my question but throw question to me...idiot.

Do you accept? If No! Then tell us the GREEK word translated as PERSONALITY in that verse.

If he dies, tell me how even dying for one seconds fit into the context of years " Never end " at Heb 1:10-12

I'll tell you once you answer my question first...you're still perambulating!

freshboi88:
Let me tell u what it is o.cos they wouldn't.

Beth Sarim (Translated as House of the Princes" is a ten-bedroom mansion in San Diego, California, constructed in 1929 in anticipation of various resurrected Old Testament biblical patriarchs or prophets such as Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah and Samuel.

It was maintained by the Watch Tower Society, the parent organization used by Jehovah's Witnesses, and was also used as a winter home and executive office for Watch Tower president Joseph Franklin Rutherford.

The house was sold to a private owner in 1948.

Hahahaha......one of their founding fathers built a house awaiting the resurrected bibilical prophets like Moses and co. They prophesized that the prophets would rise during their time .

Guess what, their head as at that time was the custodian of the mansion died still awaiting the resurrected prophets.

The most funny thing is in 1948 they sold the house

What do u call that if not Delusion

That's what a confused organization that choose to interpret scripture through philosophy of men will get!

Imagine buying house for old saints when Heb 11:16 says "instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them."

These old saints actually looking for a better country which is HEAVENLY and to make the matter more interesting it was God Himself who will PREPARE the PLACE not some sycophants buying property for them.

Peacefullove:
Dont project your feelings to me , this isn't the first time am dealing with your antics u know ?

Shameless liar! know wonder you're confused.

U wan run ?

OK but just let that your dull brain repeat it.

When did it Joined the Body ?

You can't escape it , Mary gave birth to GODS NATURE. Making her Mother of God!

Your opinion!

The point is Jesus is FULLY HUMAN which is what Mary gave birth to.

Not even you can explain what occurred or how he became a baby. I said that part is a miracle , Leave it as that. Its like trying to explain which sperm fertilize Marys Eggs

Idiot...

Tell us what did the Father send?

Your lying brother said it's LIFE FORCE and the same life force isn't the ACTUAL PERSON.

Don't boycott my question again.

And who da hell told you transfiguration was Real ?

Its just a vision.

It was real Ole....

Shifting goal post again...

Tell us how ordinary human being can transfigure.

Hello! I know spiritual is opposed to physical. So its either your knowledge of applying that text to everyone is so low . or Bible verses that mention God dwelling with physical humans is a Lie
Point remains Jesus can't be a Spirit and retain physical body.

Idiot...
The verse isn't about spiritual opposing physical.

The verse simply says:
KJV: For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

It means the same resurrection Christ experience it's what ALL CHRISTIANS will experience.

So if Christ was raised as a spirit being according to you then that verse say ALL THE DEAD will be raised as a spirit being too.

An angel that appear as man have it . You forgot an angel fight with Jacob. Na soft flesh he use fight or bone ?

Dey use sense na. What happen in Jesus case is just as this angels.

Olodo....
Did the Angel talk about having flesh and bones?
I even said, since you agreed that the angel was a MAN THEN The Angel must have entered heaven with the same MAN NATURE because the angel went to heaven in their presence without changing.

Olodo imagine taking Jacob case as a physical fight...oma se oooo

Jesus case is so clear "Touch me for a SPIRIT have no flesh and bones as you SEE ME HAVE"

Neither did Jesus claim to be fully man either . The angel agree he was a man at that moment. Simple !!!

Jesus said "TOUCH me for a spirit have no flesh and bones AS YOU SEE ME HAVE" unless you tell us that Jesus lied to them that He has flesh and bones when He didn't.

When did it Join ?

So he was first born without it until he slept one day and pheeew it dissapear inside of him. Gist me ?

That Mary na Mother of God . na today

That's your fig of imagination!

So its not the same , Lollllzzzzz , why are you now equating it , So what's the image of the heavenly one?

I once said at my first reply to you that you just exposed your ignorance by jumping like a kangaroo to dive into what you didn't understand.

I won't tell you until you carry that your empty skull back our earlier conversation so that you'll stop asking stupid question here.

Talking in a nonsense . Face the matter

When it's obvious here that you're the very one who is talking nonsense.

Janosky:
Mumu man , divine nature= divine quality.
Jesus is living in the spirit realm where Divine quality dwells in his spiritual body.
Receive SENSE
Mumu man, flesh and blood can not dwell in heaven.
On earth he was in the likeness of men and the image of God like every other men.

See the way this deluded and ignorant somebody boycotted my post!

So if Divine nature = Divine Quality

Now it's divine nature = divine quality....this idiot is confused!

What is the nonsense that you people have been shouting since that those resurrected in heaven will have the DIVINE NATURE that Jesus Christ has?

Keep changing mouth....I'm here for you!

Your frustration won't allow you to rest, that why you keep jumping up and down as a lost soul.

It's just so unfortunate how you people keep contradicting and disgracing yourself here.

Janosky:
God transferred the life of his Son into the womb of Mary to be born in the likeness of men.
At that point, Jesus seized to exist in the spiritual realm. So says Romans 8:3.

Before we continue this, answer these questions:

1. Was the LIFE, THE SON HIMSELF (even though your deluded brother has already said, the LIFE FORCE isn't the actual person)?
2. Was the LIFE conscious of ITSELF?
3. Was the LIFE has a nature that it DWELL of not?

Nobody ever dwells in both realms at the same time... NONE at ALL!

But Divine Nature DWELL in Bodily

Colossians 2:9 was penned by Paul when Jesus Christ was already in heaven.
As a heavenly being living with a spiritual body , divine nature dwells in Jesus spiritual body in the spiritual realm.
Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ life on earth.

At least you agreed that DIVINE NATURE DWELL IN THE SPIRITUAL BODY, which actually means what that verse was talking about is that SOMETHING DWELL in BODILY not DIVINE QUALITY

Which means NWT is wrong for using DIVINE QUALITY

It's evident that you've seen this truth probably from all your trusted COMMENTARIES you've consulted.

Or let me say, can you support this your statement "Paul was not writing about Jesus Christ life on earth"

With any commentaries you know?

Anyways, this your own version not only ridiculous but keep roping you into more trouble.

Imagine DIVINE NATURE DWELLS in SPIRITUAL BODY when SPIRITUAL BODY ITSELF IS A DIVINE NATURE.

your mumu never do


So was Jesus on earth when the same Apostle Paul wrote "There is only one mediator between God and man, THE MAN JESUS..."

I wish you can copy your deluded brothers as you normally do.

God is exposing your lying mouth small small....

freshboi88:
as God don catch Dr.

ZECHARIAH 12:
10“And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit a of grace and supplication. They will look on b me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Abeg who is speaking in this verse?

As usual they'll deny it...that's what you get when you inject personal interpretations into the scripture.

Take for instance, the Heb 1:10-12 they were ascribing to Jehovah.

But in their support for the insertion of the Jehovah in the New Testament one of their main point is that where the New Testament writers quoted from the Old Testament.

Then they say:

[b]"When discussing "Restoring the Divine Name," the New World Bible Translation Committee states: "To know where the divine name was replaced by the Greek words Ky´ri·os and The·os´, we have determined where the inspired Christian writers have quoted verses, passages and expressions from the Hebrew Scriptures and then we have referred back to the Hebrew text to ascertain whether the divine name appears there. In this way we determined the identity to give Ky´ri·os and The·os´ and the personality with which to clothe them." Explaining further, the Committee said: "To avoid overstepping the bounds of a translator into the field of exegesis, we have been most cautious about rendering the divine name in the Christian Greek Scriptures, always carefully considering the Hebrew Scriptures as a background. We have looked for agreement from the Hebrew versions to confirm our rendering." Such agreement from Hebrew versions exists in all the 237 places that the New World Bible Translation Committee has rendered the divine name in the body of its translation." Insight on the Scriptures - Volume 2 p.267[/b]

Look at the above statement, then compare it to fraud they did in Hebrew 1:10

The Psalm 102 that the Hebrew writer cited was translated in verse 1 asap "O Jehovah..." so which means they understand that verse is referring to Jehovah.

Then when they will translate Heb 1:10 it was "And: “At the beginning, O Lord,..."

Why not "And: At the Beginning Oh Jehovah?"

The reason they didn't put Jehovah in that Heb 1 is because the people behind their translation know that Heb 1:10 is a reference to the Son and by doing so the text will make Jesus to be Jehovah.

You can see their double standard.

Thou it's only their online e-warrior that is changing the meaning of that Hebrew 1:10 because everybody knows it was in reference to Jesus.

Peacefullove:
If it doesnt mean personality, O boy define Never end . and tell me how Jesus dying fit the context of the word " Never end "

Never definition

at no time in the past or future; not ever.
" or not at all.


Oya over to you .

Show us the GREEK word(s) translate to PERSONALITY in that verse if not ramain silent forever as your father the Devil.