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Peacefullove:
Robot, Show me where Russell claimed Jesus is his God?

Secondly, provide just one place Jesus is called OUR GOD?

Until then, I never lied.

Jesus is Russell God that was why RUSSELL and his team PRAYED TO Jesus and WORSHIPPED Him.

About the lies again!

Why did Russell and his team of pagan worshippers worship Jesus?

The lying liar mouth said:

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Yet she couldn't see these glaring lies, shameless lying liar!

Hairyrapunzel:
See someone that can't show proof of where they mentioned jesus christ is angel Michael in the bible is ranting.

Thomas called Jesus Christ my God in the bible.

You don't know the lying liar mouth.

She's looking for opportunities to deviate from her lies about Russell, which I won't allow to happen!

Peacefullove:
Actually no lies, You can't ever find a single place Jesus is called OUR GOD. So stop screaming failure up there.

@bold

Why did Russell and his team of pagan worshippers worship Jesus?

The lying liar mouth said

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Yet she couldn't see these glaring lies, shameless lying liar!

Peacefullove:
So no proof that Jesus is OUR GOD ?

Until you admit your lies!
You can't eat your cake and still have it....

Peacefullove:
Robot, am not a liar until you give proof that they said Jesus is their God and until you show me where Jesus is called OUR God.

Of course, I don't expect you to admit you're a liar but the evidences below show Devil is your father who is a liar from the beginning and will never admit to be a liar.

Four different cases from a twisted lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Peacefullove:
Eeyah, its so hard to find where Jesus is called OUR GOD ? Eeyah , sorry for your pathetic situation .

Four different cases from a twisted lying mouth person....

Only a person whose his father is a liar from beginning can make bold different four lies within a breath of post without any remorse.

These your lies are still every where!

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Peacefullove:
You are a disgrace to yourself .


Why not tag me for this Rubbish u typed.

I still demand where Rusell worship Jesus as his God? Where is your proof ?


Secondly where did Jesus ever claim he is OUR GOD like you lying mouth claimed ??


Till then, You are not worthy enough to discuss this points.

Four different cases from a twisted lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Janosky:
Nos2,3 & 4 were products of no1....
No1 led to the others... Because both Wycliffe and Tyndale's Authorized Version (the father of KJV) were widely available Translations at that period of time and several others many centuries later copied their Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD until the accurate understanding of Greek proskuneo came to the fore

Lol....

You're just keep confusing but let's keep that point aside!

This is my question again!

Before I round up with you, which particular part is VALID and FACTUAL to you?

From these four different cases from a single twisted lying mouth person....
1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Or let me put it this way:

Are all the four points correct or not?

Janosky:
The point made is VERY VALID and FACTUAL.
Bros you REFUSED to get SENSE

Na today the English speaking world began using the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles?
We are talking as far back as the 1300s/1500s....(Oga ,go and do the Maths )

Since the very day the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles came out of the printing press, that Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD have been MISLEADING the English speaking world for so many centuries.

Before I round up with you, which particular part is VALID and FACTUAL to you?

From these four different cases from one twisting lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

ADDED: I remember your deluded brother also claimed on this thread that Wycliffe and Tyndale were good Bible students. But when I pointed out the rendition of both Wycliffe and Tyndale Bible of John 1:1 he went deaf completely.

Maximus69:
My friend, a LION had greater influence than a dog but that's when it's still alive!

At death all creatures becomes equal, so human being is just the same Sir!

No matter how great or poor he may be, nothing survives Adam's descendants at death. That's the import Sir!

Yet you can't point out the very verse that says that from where you referenced Eccl 9:5-10

Or have you shifted your point from that place?

In case you do, you still have the opportunity to paste it here!

Maximus69:
What we were discussing is about anything surviving the body after death!

I quoted verse 5-10

It explains all Sir!

This is verse 5-10 and show us the Verse that says "NOTHING SURVIVES THE BODY AFTER DEATH"

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.

Go, eat your food with rejoicing, and drink your wine with a cheerful heart, for already the true God has found pleasure in your works. May your clothing always be white, and do not fail to put oil on your head.

Enjoy life with your beloved wife all the days of your futile life, which He has given you under the sun, all the days of your futility, for that is your lot in life and in your hard work at which you toil under the sun.

Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave,
where you are going.

When one will even notice that the emphasis of the whole Ecclesiastes from beginning has always been "UNDER THE SUN" which even stated from the same chapter 9:3

Maximus69:
They no longer have any share nah!

So what is the difference between my explanation and the verse?

The different is, you used the same verse to prove that "NOTHING EXISTS after Death" which is not what that verse meant.

People struggle all their life, steal, cheat, lie and do all sort of things to acquire properties but at death they had no share in whatever is happening after them!

Well it's clear enough Sir!

Exactly, so you can see that the verse isn't about LIFE AFTER DEATH.

achorladey:
Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.​—John 16:27.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/I-Have-Called-You-Friends/



One will ask since their FOCUS of worship was for JEHOVAH beginning from 1919. Who was their FOCUS of worship from 1800--------1918?

Since JESUS IS KEY to having relationship with GOD, one will further ask do other Christians they JUDGE as CHRISTENDOM don't know JESUS? or JESUS is a PROPERTY of JWs whereby they have SOLE OWNERSHIP?

You can even see their demonic organization blaming people for what they are teaching people.

Imagine if the early Bible students MISTAKENLY allowed their love for Jesus to OVERSHADOW their relationship with Jehovah. Then we can ask:

1. Who inspired this LOVE OF CHRIST to the extent of OVERSHADOWING their relationship with Jehovah?

2. Will Jesus ever allow people to love Him so much that the same love of Christ begins to affect believers' relationship with the Father? If such ever happened, then it means the house is divided against itself?

3. Can Jehovah ever allow people to love His son so much that the love they have for Him will begin to create problem for the relationship with Him?

One will then begin to wonder what sort of God will inspire such confusion!

Maximus69:
Ecclesiastes is talking about what people feel they have achieved in life apart from the treasures they have with God Sir!

That's what Jesus told a Jew but the man love his material possessions much more than keeping treasures with God where nothing can affect it! Luke 18:18-22 compare to Matthew 6:19-21

God bless you Sir!

Just see the way your hypocritical mouth is changing @underlined

You use the same Ecclesiastes "the DEAD KNOW NOTHING" to mean NOTHING survive a man after death.

The point is, you know what that verse was actually addressing but decided to give it your own myopic view. That's why you said "Ecclesiastes is talking about what people feel they have achieved in life apart from the treasures they have with God Sir!"

Thou you still failed because it's not about what "PEOPLE FEEL THEY HAVE ACHIEVED IN LIFE" but what they'll stop experience under the sun and NOT THE CONDITION OF DEATH.

Which verse 6 even points out clearly "Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun." NWT

Maximus69:
God keeps their loving memories as if he is still seeing them, we humans do keep pictures and videos of our dead loved ones. So it's their fine qualities that makes them alive to God but their bodies are dead. During resurrection the Almighty God will gather the dust and restore their memories back to continue living as the same person that died, but as for unbelievers all their memories are forgotten for good!

If you're looking for a Hypocrite, just stare on JWs beside you.

Look at the @underlined and compare it with same verse you cherry picked Eccl 9:5

["For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten. NWT"

1. The verse says the dead has no any more REWARD,..... and the reason being that
2. ALL THEIR MEMORIES are forgotten.

Yet you believe the same verse that says "the dead KNOWS NOTHING" means NOTHING LIVE after death, but neglecting the same part that says "NO MORE REWARD FOR THEM AND EVEN THEIR MEMORIES WILL BE FORGOTTEN"

Kobojunkie:
There was only one law of tithing, it's definition spread across several books.
Oh, I do have a clear understanding of the tithing law. Let's skip the sideswipes and focus on the breadth of the matter here, shall we

The @underlined shows you don't know anything about what you're putting yourself into.

So no need to waste time on you!

Originalsly:
This is about palliatives and Christians..... aren't Christians supposed to be following the Bible? If yes...... then according to the Bible... tithes are basically for palliatives .... to supplement the poor and the spreading if the gospel. The circumstances under which people became poor do not matter.... poor be ause of natural disaster or government orders ...dosen't matter.
Paying taxes has nothing to do with Christians..... give to Caesar what belongs to him.... is all the Bible instructed.... no instructions on what Caesar/FG should do with the taxes. So why must Christians be knocking at the door of the FG instead of the church? This is the question I need answers to.

How many types of Tithe were instituted by God and which particular one do Christian collect today?

Many of you will just open mouth and talk about Tithe without clear understanding of it.

Peacefullove:
You said I lied but can't produce where that man ever claimed Jesus is his God. Are u okay ? I doubt


Provide where Jesus is called OUR GOD ??

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Peacefullove:
Mr man, show me where he ever claimed Jesus is his God ?

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

Peacefullove:
A materialized Jesus appear after Hus ressurection not a fully human.



That single one exposes others as fraud.



" Although we are nowhere instructed to make petitions to him, " - Russell.

He admit this , How would a person said He is no where instructed to make petition to his God ?

Show me where he claimed Jesus is his God ??



John 20:17 My GOD and * YOUR GOD

The YOUR is important for me to see. Anyone can be called *GOD* , Even humans are called GODS , BUT the designation " OUR GOD " showing total submission to a supreme being is not applied to anyone else from the Father.


Jesus is never called OUR GOD. Emusan so you can't find anywhere Jesus Is called our God. Yeye



Daniel was worshipped yet was never called anyone's God. If that can be correct, someone who also uses worship in the same respect for Jesus is also correct. But if that word is wrong to have been used for Daniel, Its also wrong for Jesus WHOM RUSELL Admit is a creation like Daniel. Neither did he call Jesus his God. This is where correction comes in, they didn't know its wrong to apply worship to someone that's not God. So its not a sin , it would have been a different ball game if We find evidence him saying Jesus his HIS GOD. I promise you won't find any

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God."

When you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.


Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

achorladey:
I hope you get the desired response or DIVERSION comes in as usual.

As usual, you can see his respond with Matt 7:7
And one will begin to wonder, how Matt 7:7 related with my question...

Maximus69:
APOLOGIZE for insulting your teacher Sir!

You can't eat your cake and still have it, if i'm responding to your questions regarding my FAITH, it's because i respected and honour you! Matthew 7:12

I can see you're silent on my question, which is:

Is Holy spirit a separate thing from Jehovah Himself?

Maximus69:

Even the matter makes you laugh too.....

I guess it's "the light getting brighter" method your brother is using here too.

As organization as followers!

freshboi88:
From claiming Russell didn't know that worshipping Jesus was wrong and so it's not a sin to Russell didn't worship Jesus......

Peacefullove y r u like this, talking with both sides of the mouth.... Thts proof to show u r a liar

The lying liar mouth doesn't have a single shame.

Imagine someone who openly said that The old men didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong, then shifted to TRANSLATION mislead Russell, again to Yes! Russell worshipping Jesus was only TO GIVE JESUS RESPECT. and finally to last nonsense up there.

This is to show you the actual spirit working in them, which is the spirit of their father the Devil.

Barristter07:
with emphasis on Your and Our. Show me where Jesus is Called OUR God ?

Always shifting post. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

"The word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God..."

I know you people lack basic English.

But let me teach you!
If the word was God, and the word became flesh known as Jesus, and Jesus Christ is OUR Savior.

Definitely the Saviour is OUR GOD!

Now wonder you people change that verse to "a god" because you know the implication.

Peacefullove:
Humans at Genesis 5:2 are creatures with blood , Not just Flesh and Bones.

And what is your point here?

That is enough prove.

Hypocrite!

It's enough prove because you know the rest are against your lies.

Nowhere did he claimed Jesus is His God.

You can keep that lie

So why praying to Jesus if Jesus isn't his God?

Where is " YOUR " in the above ??

Its like something is doing your Brain

John 20:17 says " YOUR GOD " not Just God.

When you have where Jesus is called YOUR God or OUR God. Quote me, I dare you won't find any

So funny how you people dance around like headless chicken. Now, it's YOUR and OUR

The Bible says, "...and the word was God" & "Thy throne Oh God..."

And that Make Daniel the God of Nebuchadnezzar . So ?

If Daniel didnt become the God of Nebuchadnezzar for accepting Worship, then worship here meant a different sense. Same with Russell who never claimed Jesus is his God.

Brainwashed . its not Ruseel that's the problem. He didnt say Jesus is his God. Its the Fact that the word worship should actually be reserved solely for OUR GOD. And not anyone else , not even Jesus.



If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God . when He never claimed that . he won't have used it. That's my point. Hence he didnt know it will confuse your likes to use that word or else Folks with small thinking like you will misinterpret.

Record never said he refer to Jesus as His God. That alone kill your points instantly.

After your blatant lying mouth was exposed you still have gut to open your mouth to spew nonsense.

From Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong to IT WAS JUST A RESPECT now you have shifted the blame on those after Russell to "If he knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it to mean Jesus is his God." when you noticed that it was on the same basis that watchtower society change their doctrines and even admitted that they were actually wrong.

Just different lies from the same lying mouth.

When you even realize that Russell also Prayed to Jesus.

The attached is still there for you....oni ro buruku!

Maximus69:
[s]That's exactly my former religious views!
They will say the man never intended stealing the item but your hand did" so they'll amputate that hand and set the thief to go scot-free!
They'll say he never intended raping the victim but his manhood did therefore they'll amputate the organ so the rapist is free to go! [/s]

Off point!
My instrument isn't part of myself, you can tell me any of my instrument you mean!

I believe Jesus is God's son NOT Josephs because Mary God pregnant through God's holy spirit NOT through sex with Joseph!

So God's ACTIVE FORCE means his means of getting things done!

So it's a separate THING from Jehovah, right?

Peacefullove:
Humans at Gen 5:2 are Creation that function with blood. That your blunder is on record man.

You first started with Mr fully human flesh and blood, now it's Mr fully human flesh and bones

What is your problem in the first place?

Why are you so confused and trying to drag people into your confusion?

John 9:38

Contemporary English Version
The man said, "Lord, I put my faith in you!" Then he worshiped Jesus.

Good News Translation
"I believe, Lord!" the man said, and knelt down before Jesus.

Weymouth New Testament
"I believe, Sir," he said. And he threw himself at His feet.


Young's Literal Translation
and he said, 'I believe, sir,' and bowed before him

Was this only the place the word "worship" was used for Christ?

Show us other place and how the same translations put it.

My God and YOUR GOD. - John 20:17

YOUR GOD.

Whom did he refer as my God and YOUR GOD ??

We can't have two Gods, So who is this OUR GOD ?

Yes! And that's what make Russell and his team an idolater because they have two Gods

But Jesus is your God

"...and the word was God"
"Thy throne Oh God... "

Daniel is the God of Nebuchadnezzar?

Always off point

Did worship someone or things make them your God or not?

Russell didnt worship Jesus as God. Like you dull Trinitarians.

I still demand where he said Jesus Is Almighty God.!

Now that you can't find proof he regard Jesus as God, You are asking " IF "

Simply means He gave him respect.

Your polytheism tag is Fully found a lie

Show me Russell's error in this regard .. I expected to see a man who worship Jesus as God like you dumb Trinitarians

So you know he only gave him RESPECT yet you first claimed he was mislead by TRANSLATIONS and what they (Russell and his team) are doing by worshipping Jesus is wrong, which isn't a sin since the Bible says whatever you don't know isn't a sin.

Russell was mislead by translations and given Jesus respect wrongfully.

Then a reasonable question to ask is while then did watchtower have to change their doctrines if what RUSSELL and his team did were just given respect to Jesus Christ

I have to end it up here because it's soo shameful that your lying mouth doesn't have any dignity.

See the pic attached below

They wanted to stone him for their accusation, So why won't they attack him if worship here meant what your deluded head is telling you ?

Yet he didnt believe Jesus was God Almighty ? Are you okay at all ?

Ye are Gods - Yahweh says .

But all of us including Jesus have ONE GOD, THE FATHER OF ALL - Eph 4:6

Maximus69:
Did your instrument know what is in your brain?
The holy spirit means Jehovah's active force to us Sir, so it's just Jehovah's instrument like a screwdriver, if Jehovah didn't mean to use it, it can't operate on it's own.
But if you've gotten a totally different opinion, go and make use of what you know Sir everyone is watching out to see the BENEFITS of your knowledge!

My instrument isn't part of myself.

So is Jehovah active force a separate being/thing/from God Himself right?

Maximus69:
But Jesus said NOBODY knows not even the angels (who are also spirits) nor the son (Jesus himself) but the father ALONE! Matthew 24:36

Abi this your Holy Ghost is no more a person like Jesus?

This TRINITY needs loads of backup lies to get roots in your heart ooooooo!

Are you then saying the Holy Spirit didn't know the things of God then?

Peacefullove:
Mumu. Add blood. Genesis 5:2 that which he called human has blood.

Ode...and animals are human too since they have blood.

What people understand is the word " Worship " should be reserved solely for OUR GOD. Matt 4:10.

This is why many translations now use " prostrate, obeisance , bow down " for every other persons.

So Russell didn't know that Matt 4:10 was in his Bible before he worship Jesus along side of Jehovah

So can you show us translations that used prostrate, bow down, for where it was talking about Jesus?

The word Worship was misused by most bibles

This is your figment of your deluded mind.

The same reason modern translations use Bow down to replace worship used by old translations where its not appropriate.

Show us how these translations rendered it when it's about Jesus Christ.

Who is that other God Russell worship ? I demand an answer .

Jesus Christ.

, " ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY God and YOUR GOD.’” - John 20:17

Did Jesus lied here that he isn't our God ?

Where did He say He isn't OUR GOD in that verse?

"...And the Word was God"
"...To thy throne Oh God"

Jehovah is his God.
Did he worship Jesus as God ??

To worship someone means the person is your God.

So which worship did Russell worship Jesus for if not as God?

Again, why then did your demonic organization change the doctrine of worshipping of Jesus Christ and admitted they made error, if what Russell did was right?

The translation says Jesus received worship and the Pharisees see no wrong. Does that not tell you what occurred in that scene is not an Act of worship to God?

The same Pharisees say Jesus claimed to be God, making Himself equal to God for calling Himself the Son of God...why do you think they will oppose Him when people worshipped Him?

Divinity in what sense , Mary carries God and his divine nature in her womb for 9 months ? Mary clearly will be the Mother of God ...

You have started your delusion to divert attention again...

It's clear from the quote that Divinity RUSSELL meant isn't Divine quality/character but Divine nature.

Why do you remove the highlighted in your statement at blue. Am also a God if you don't know. This is different from being GOD. That " a" makes a difference. You are not wise

If you're a God then good for you.

Of course the 'a' makes a difference that's why you people added it in the first place, that's why you'll continue to deny Jesus as God.

" Our Lord Jesus Christ is a God . . . still the united voice of the Scriptures must emphatically assert that there is but one Almighty. God, the Father of all. " Studies in the Scriptures. Vol. V, page 55.

Its not what you are thinking.

And you're also a God which means you and Jesus Christ are the same.