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Kobojunkie:
Oh but you are wrong! When you fast the way God wants, you abandon the need to "discipline" your flesh and instead actually do that which God stipulates.

And I'm telling you that discipline your flesh was part of what God wants during fasting as Isaiah 58:3 supported it.

Go back and read.

I've done that and it's boldly written that you must discipline your flesh!

LordReed:
Tomorrow you will be the one to shout someone is quoting out of context.

Titus 1 (ASV)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that were wanting, and appoint elders in every city, as I gave thee charge; 6 if any man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having children that believe, who are not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For the [e]bishop must be blameless, as God’s steward; not self-willed, not soon angry, [f]no brawler, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; 8 but given to hospitality, a lover of good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled; 9 holding to the faithful word which is according to the teaching, that he may be able both to exhort in the [g]sound [h]doctrine, and to convict the gainsayers.

Very clear it was about elders but trust you to twist it to fit whatever narrative you want. LoLz.

When you even quoted the chapter from verse 5 and you couldn't get it.

Nobody is cherry picking anything...

Verse 6 clearly says "If ANY MAN.... or you didn't see that from where you quoted

This is an indication that everyone expected to be blameless, husband of one wife....

Maybe you can say it's only elders that are expected to be BLAMELESS and other believers are not to be blameless.

LordReed:
No the passage was talking about divorce.

Titus 1:6 New International Version (NIV)

6 An elder must be blameless, faithful to his wife, a man whose children believe[a] and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

Oga read your bible na.

The passage is about divorce that gives room for polygamy...



6. if any man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having children that believe, who are not accused of riot or unruly. ASV

Oga Atheist read your Bible very well.

Kobojunkie:
please read and understand the discussion at hand before you jump in.

I can't follow what you are saying because it does not even flow with the convo

I've done that and I see where you're trying to prove that having sex with your wife when fasting is OK as Apostle Paul teaching of "except during fasting that a couple can deprive themselves of their body" is irrelevant as to what God said about fasting in Isaiah 58 that's why the lady can also said if that's your main target you can fire on....

So I'm here to point it out to you that the statement of Apostle Paul was right that is during fasting there should be no sex and that statement compliments the statement of God in Isaiah 58.

LordReed:
There was no recommendation in the Matthew passage you quoted and the recommendation in Titus was for those who wanted to be church elders. You really should read what you are quoting.

First the discussion that Christ addressed was about POLYGAMY and the Title of this thread is "Does the Bible really condemn Polygamy marriage?" which Christ actually did.

Titus 1:6 was for everyone while 7 is for elders

LordReed:
Those are not recommendations to all believers for monogamy. You should read them again yourself.

I'll say you should read it again and again.....

So who are the ones the recommendations meant for?

Kobojunkie:
go read isaiah 58 for yourself

I have read it and I don't see how it contradicts the statement of Apostle Paul.

Can you point it out?

LordReed:
Show me where it was recommended to all believers in Christ.

I did that above, check it!

Mariaodiba:
Biblical prove pls.

Matt 19:4
Titus 1:6

Kobojunkie:
Your argument is moot if what you are trying to do is continue to sell man's fasting over what God says He would rather have from man on his day of fasting.

Can you point out what God says He would rather have man to do on that day? So that we can see how vast is your knowledge about the Isaiah 58

Which man's fasting am I selling here?

LordReed:
It does not but in the new testament it recommends monogamy for those who wish to be Church officials like deacons and bishops.

Not only Church officials but ALL believers in Christ!

Olifiz:
The Bible says abstain from blood. Acts 15:28-29.

Why single out only Blood in that verse?

Kobojunkie:
God tells you in Isaiah 58 that He sees your fasting but calls you instead to works of righteousness.
He is telling you that works of righteousness which He prefers comes with promises to boot, something your fasting does not offer you since it is not done in service of Him.

The entire chapter starts about your fasting and then goes right into what he wants instead.

First of all, she asked you to define fasting but you couldn't after you even wrongly interpreted that Isaiah 58

Secondly, I don't know the point you're trying to bring out by quoting that Isaiah 58

Thirdly, what is your obsession about pastors/preachers?

Lastly, even the Isaiah 58 you cited, emphatically supported the statement of Apostle Paul verse 3 read "They say, “We fast to show honor to you. Why don’t you see us? We starve our bodies to show honor to you. Why don’t you notice us?” But God says, “You do things to please yourselves on those special days of fasting. And you punish your servants, not your own bodies. ERV

The two key points here are:

1. These people fast and still enjoying bodily pleasure instead of subjecting their body into punishment.

2. They did wickedness by also subjecting their workers into hard labour.

The first point is what Apostle Paul addressed

And the point you're trying to bring out didn't nullify the previous point of their fasting but God wants them to be more focus on those point He raised.

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!


Please don't kill yourself Emusan, just take heart hen!

Now, you have added another madness to your initial one to compound it which is spamming someone's moniker.

And you do this intentionally in other to shift attention from the main point

If my moniker DOESNT cause severe pain and suffering for you...it cant be that sweet in your mouth.

So you can continue to console your deluded mind by spamming my mention.

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

Nobody forced you into this forum Sir!

So if you want to ask questions try doing so with respect, not with insults this your stupidity won't help you anywhere.
Meanwhile go and face your terrorist friends who are ready to kill people for their beliefs sebi you said Christ's followers are cowards for heeding to the orders of their master!
Go now so that you may kill or get killed Sir!

See painment every where, when lies and lies have been uncovered the next thing is to find way to derail the thread and divert attention from POV.

Till now you and your deluded elder aren't be able to provide just a single pastor who handed over his church to his children and even avoided my questions

It's evident that you people thrive on falsehood just as your father the devil.

TATIME:
Maximus69 has given you the answer you seek, so continue crying bitterly like your Pharisaic fathers of ancient times.
Just know that all your pigheadedness will not change the truth, those who want to be free will know it and sieze the opportunity to be freed from the falsehood you're dying for!

Fake elder come shameless liar...

Your father the Devil never dwells in truth so for you to know the truth you must be a Child of Our Lord Jesus because He is the Way, The Truth & The Life!

And the truth is you can't provide a single pastor who handed over his church to his children.

TATIME:
This Emusan dude just like arguing blindly, i guess he derive pleasure in engaging JWs in arguments.
The last time he was pigheaded about the clear order Jesus gave his followers to flee warring zone, instead of asking how Jesus expected people living where his disciples fled from are going to get the good news.
Now he's trying to argue over the issue of family business in the churches, something that's not hidden from everyone.
Please let him be because he's tormented inside him as you keep exposing his folly!

Here come the fake elder as usual....

If it's a family business, tell us any pastor who has handed over his church to his son or daughter.

Is anything wrong for someone who professed faith in Christ raised His children in the way of the Lord?

Do children of your GB find their way to Bethel?

If yes! why?

Oponu elder....

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

Where you failed woefully to reason is the husband and wife reverential treatment that's going on in your false religious groups!

Let me help you out even though you'll still continue agitating blindly, but i'm less concerned because your head is where the agonizing pain lies!

You're free to refute this by mentioning the name of the wife of just one single Apostle.

So the GB do have wives but these women don't feature at all, that's why you can't see their children inheriting the position of the GB, once women are allowed to be part of the church committee, they will like their children to be included! Matthew 20:20-23

That's why JW organization can't fall for the bait of nepotism Sir!

As expected....just see the way the deluded shameless lair shifted point. It's now about their wives! When he couldn't provide a single pastor who handed his church to his children.

See the idiot who wanted to deny GB having wife by claiming MAJORITY of them don't marry! now openly acknowledged that "So the GB do have wives..." this is the Christlike you people are portraying indeed.

Jesus never got married and never appointed any female Apostle so none of his Apostles brought their wives forward to be honoured as ministers in the first century.

Just look at this statement from a deluded and shameless liar of JWs all bcoz his 8 men of God must always be right!

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!


Jesus never chose any beggar as one of his Apostles, they were all those who stuck with him throughout all his trials Sir! Luke 22:28-30
No member of the GB thought of becoming what they are today and mind you they're not religious celebrities revered by worldly politicians like your own people.
If not those who are making research to know the source of our strong faith and unity nobody knows them out there.
Just as Pharisees Saddusees Scribes and Priests had to bribe Judas Iscariot in order to identify Jesus,worldly people can't know any member of our GB. Very much unlike your own folks that go about with heavily armed guards to protect them after they've gained the popularity they pursued all their life.
So don't kill yourself with envy Emusan, the GB is a group whom God has blessed, ten billion Emusan can't curse them!

Always displaying his dimwitted sense....

From where the GB are chosen?

Are the children of the deluded GB in the Bethel?

Can you show us any pastor who handed over his church to any of his children?

You boldly lie against pastors that for their children to continue to scam people that's the reason they put their children in their own ministries and you called it FAMILY BUSINESS but when the table was turned your dirty hypocritical mouth was dancing around.

The Bible speaks against false accusations and even enjoining us to search and hold that which is fact but because your God of Men must be defended, you don't mind making any false accusations against people.

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

Bethel is for who wants to serve voluntarily so they're everywhere throughout the earth. There is no way you can convince someone to abandon what he cherished to leave it for such selfless service, they choose it by themselves.
The GB aren't bethelites but long serving traveling overseers who are qualified to be part of that group Sir!

I guess the GB are randomly chosen from those beggers sitting under Ikeja Bridge

But you can open your dirty & stinky mouth to accuse others for doing the same thing just because it wasn't done under your demonic organization.

Shameless hypocrite and liar like your father the Devil!

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

I've answered you sir, bethelites are everywhere that you can find JWs but the GB are in the US just as the Apostles of Jesus were stationed in Jerusalem!

The Bethel in the USA, do the Children of GB are there or not?

Can you tell us any pastor(s) who handed over his church to any of his children before you falsely accused them of doing Family business?

Hypocrite!

So stop hitting your head on the walls it's not good for your health Sir!

The cry of a deluded and shameless liar who always get pained whenever his 8 men of God were mentioned.

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

Making false accusation and think it's funny is the height of stupidity.

Most of the members of the GB never had any children Sir!
They served all their lives as traveling overseers, and travelling overseers in JWs aren't supposed to have children just like Apostle Paul.
The bethel family are brothers and sisters from different places and in each country there is one bethel, therefore they're not the ones who do graduate to become GB, it's traveling overseers just as Jesus' Apostles left their family lives to start following him everywhere he goes! Luke 18:28-30
So calm down Mr Emusan, you don't know anything about Jehovah's Witnesses Organization!

I always know you're not that intelligent but as usual we'll keep spoon feeding you with basic knowledge until you grow.

You said "MOST....."

To an intelligent mind you keep exposing your ignorance.

So others that have children, do they ensure their children be in the Bethel?

The reason I made this statement earlier The only person his sense of humor is blur is the person who refuses to acknowledge that in every organisation there's always a bad eggs but using the bad eggs to judge the rest and when the table is turned shift blame on in his own bad eggs it's so glaring.

Can you give us the name of the pastor(s) who handed over his church to any of his children?

Shameless Hypocrite JWs always sacrificing his conscience to defend his demonic 8 men of God.

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

Well there is a big difference between being a member of the bethel family and being a member of the GB.
There are thousands of our brothers serving as bethelites but just 8 members serving as the GB Sir!

That's why you'll always remain hypocrite!

Are they not the same part of Bethel family the person(s) to succeed another GB will be chosen from?

All the GB ensure their children get to Bethel why you till you will even die might not step your foot there but can come here and say what pastors are doing is a FAMILY BUSINESS but when the table is turned to you, watchtower must be defended.

Shameless Hypocrite

Maximus69:
That's the result of misinterpretation!

I've told you what the verse mean but if you're not OK with it, go and practice your own Christianity as you're pleased Sir, no wahala!

See how brainwashing is destroying your life.

Gal 1:19 is a misinterpretation by who?

See how your own lying book put it "But I did not see any of the other apostles, only James the brother of the Lord"

Are you even saying the children of the GB are not part of people in Bethel?

TATIME:
Oga Emusan!
See the time you posted this.
Are you sure you're still OK?
Haba! 2am due to hatred for the truth, you can't even sleep!
Only God can deliver you o!

Here come the fake elder...

And what concerned you about the time I post on NL?

How many JWs God has delivered?

So because your deluded brother said "by then the holy spirit has not been released to monitor the worshipers so that selfishness and promiscuity can't be,"

And I showed him what were found within the demonic organization after the release of the Holy Spirit means hate truth.

Hypocrite come join fake elder!

Maximus69:
If you're not deceiving yourself how many of the bolded here in Nigeria that has been reported amongst JWs?

See this hypocrite!

You made a claim but when your lie and hypocrisy is exposed you'll change mouth.

This is your initial claim "...by then the holy spirit has not been released to monitor the worshipers so that selfishness and promiscuity can't be..."

Now that the Holy Spirit had been released, why do such acts still reign in your demonic organization?

Also, see the hypocrite now limiting it to Nigeria, are JWs not ONE all over the world again?

But you can use Nigeria Christiandom to judge the rest of the Christianity.

That's why most of my brothers call you "mumungus" Sir!

Even Jesus was accused of having evil spirit

The Jesus story you and i are hearing today differs completely from the reports that Pharisees,Saddusees,Scribes,Priests and others Jewish Rabbis wish to spread about him. That's why till today most Jews condemned the reports his followers penned down referred to as gospels.
If you're not really stupid, in your own locality here in Nigeria how many reports of Adultery, Child abuse and Divorce cases have you heard amongst God's people?

So Nigeria JWs and JWs in the rest of the world aren't the same again simply because JWs in the rest of the world are still doing what the old people were doing when "by then the holy spirit has not been released to monitor the worshipers so that selfishness and promiscuity can't be,..."

When you also know that even the deluded 8men GB reside in the very place where these acts are so prominent.

You choose to blur your senses to what is happening in your neighbourhood but you want to parade the mixed reports from far distant lands that you can't even verify!

People have testified about their encounter with JWs in Nigeria on this forum just as people have testified about other religions they came in contact with.

We have seen testimonies that commend you guys likewise testimonies that exposed the other side.

The only person his sense of humor is blur is the person who refuses to acknowledge that in every organisation there's always a bad eggs but using the bad eggs to judge the rest and when the table is turned shift blame on the bad eggs

If not for Jehovah's Witnesses the Bible will always remain a myth because all the reports of how the Christians were well organized with LOVE JOY and PEACE can't be found today except amongst Jehovah's Witnesses!

Says the deluded JWs who forgot that Billions still belief in the Bible.

I can see the LOVE, JOY and Peace indeed

No wonder my friend's mum (both Father & mother are all JWs) refused her to marry a witness Guy (both father and mother are JWs too)....so much for the self parade LOVE

OP asked a question based on what is happening throughout the earth today as the so called Men Of God can't maintain a family of God fearing children, you have no shame to run for cover but instead you want to accuse the one and only organization that's maintaining God fearing children throughout the earth.

People have answered OP by even cited example from the scripture, do you agree with them? No! but you simply inject your delusions into it forgotten that there's a log of wood in your eyes while you're busy looking at the beam in someone's else eyes.


Hypocrite!

Stop deceiving yourself Mr Emusan, go and tell people in your neighbourhood that Jehovah's Witnesses children aren't fine examples of God fearing children and see how sincere people will look at you.

You can do that about another Christian body

Then you'll know whether it's i who left my former Religion to join JWs due to their God fearing that's a hypocrite or you that's hitting your head on the walls of falsehood!

God fearing
Yet

Child Abuse
Adultery
Divorce

Even a JWs family can stop their daughter to marry to another JWs...

You can keep deceiving yourself and your like with fake love, joy and peace.

No-one can give you peace except Jesus Christ!

Maximus69:
Jesus Christ had junior brothers but none of them was chosen as Apostle, the only two out of about six siblings he had accepted Christianity. So if it's not family business there is nothing that should bring the name of a child into the fold of ministers when all those working together with his father as a team are still alive.
Whatever makes a son to have direct access to the church fund or a say in the affairs of the church when members who have been serving faithfully are still there is no more God's work but family business Sir!

What happened to Eli repeated itself in the life of faithful Samuel as well, by then the holy spirit has not been released to monitor the worshipers so that selfishness and promiscuity can't be, so it happened before Pentecost but after that, God's pure worship has been under the strict watch of the spirit so that deceit or promiscuity can't hold anymore! Act 5:1-11

And as for Pastors loosing a tight hold on his family with the flimsy excuse of taking care of God's flock is no excuse Sir! 1Timothy 3:5

Yet

Adultery
Child Abuse
Divorce

Still reign in your demonic organization.

Keep lying for your demonic god!

Hypocrite!

FOLYKAZE:
This is very unusual of me. But in a time like this, I have no other option than to seek the help of Nairalanders.

I am on here seeking help to save the life of my wife and our baby. She is asthmatic and currently pregnant. It happens that lately, just as soon as she get to third trimester, she is having several asthma attacks. We reported to the General Hospital where drugs and injections were been administered on her. Each of these treatment relieve her from the attack. In the past four days though, the treatments both injection and drug stop working or maybe weren't effective and the attack became more frequent. She was placed on oxygen.

The doctor prescribed that he had to operate my wife, safely separate and remove the foetus. The foetus is 36weeks old, and we are due to deliver him/her in two weeks time. His reasons are, forceful and hasten delivery would be more better, as he doesn't want the heavy breathing to affect the foetus health.

The same doctor after spending four days, and wasted all resources informed us on Monday evening that he would not be able to handle the operation any longer due to increasing rises in BP and alarming difficulty in my wife breathing. He therefore referred us to Mother and Child Specialist Hospital in Ondo town. Either way, I want both my wife and child alive sound and healthy.

We got an ambulance and made our way to Ondo. On getting here, specialists told us there won't be need for surgical operation as the baby is stable despite the mother condition. He added that is my wife condition is not stabilized, he will opt for operation. We had our sigh of relief but the painful side of it all is the enormous charges and cost of getting things. I have paid for all form of drugs, injections, tubes, drips and many other things I can't remember.

We have spent every dime we have on us. Called home, neighbours and family for some support but the little from them have been exhausted. Because we ain't paying instantly, we well denied access to some laboratory tests, drugs, and injections. This is happening despite the fact that we are both registered resident of Ondo state and have our ID. Surprisingly though, the card has no effect on the exorbitant charges and cost of medical items.

Presently now, we have exhausted our savings and have nothing left. She is a private school teacher, while I am cocoa produce buyer serving as apprentice.

Last year, we lost a child. We do not want a repeat of this. I wholeheartedly need every help that can be rendered to save the life of my wife and child. Nothing is too small at this point. Thanks

2079664080 UBA

Sorry this is happening right now in your family but it's for the glory of God. Trust me this is the time you'll recognize the awesome power of God as a proof to what you've been asking for so long ---- Does God exist?

My prayer is with your wife and baby...as the good Lord will bestow His mercy on her and grant her safe delivery without operation. Amen!

Now take a bold step of faith, acknowledge your sin before Almighty God, enter the safe delivery room, lay hand on your wife and declare safe delivery upon her. She will not be operated on and you'll come back to this platform to share your testimony.

freshboi88:
In your mind u have made sense MUMU.

U just shout without making sense. So in all these firstborns, who did God create first?

You can see the way he explained away the term FIRSTBORN as being APPOINTED and having a FAVOR/ BLESSINGS over another which is the right interpretation of it in the scripture but still trying to explain Jesus as FIRSTBORN to mean FIRSTCREATED.

Look at this statement of his "Jesus , "the firstborn of every creature" earned the right of firstborn above every creature of God. Jesus obedience to his God and Father further earned him EXCLUSIVE Blessings above every son of God". Phil 2:9.

NOTICED that this simply means Jesus was APPOINTED as firstborn over all creations not that the verse means Jesus was the FIRSTCREATED being.

awhybliss:
he is with biblical definition...
We have several of them... But there a God which is supreme to all gods even to Jesus.. he's Jehovah..

You're still confused!

A deity deserves worship and reverence, why didn't you worship and reverence Jesus?

There shouldn't be any God supreme to another God if both have the same qualities and attributes.

awhybliss:
to be a God, it must be a deity, A supernatural, typically immortal being with superior powers.
JEHOVAH: The personal name of God in the Hebrew Scriptures; (for those who believe in Christ)
So both questions are yes

So Jesus is a deity, a supernatural, immortal being with superior Power like Jehovah...

Then why didn't you worship and reverence Jesus?

awhybliss:
Jesus is a God!!..
God is a noun (A supernatural, typically immortal being with superior powers.) Sango, ogun, Buddha,Jesus and many more have these attributes of been called God.. usage of capital letter to write capital "G" is introduced by British scholars many centuries back. God didn't tell us to use capital for him or not.. British is a God serving country, so to make a difference between JEHOVAH and other gods when writing, they come up with this ideal of using capital "G", so that they could get to know we are referencing the supreme God above when we see the "G" in writing, (and here in Nigeria, we learn the British English)
Mind you, every God has it name, the name of the one I serve name is (JEHOVAH), he declare his name in the book of Exodus, He reference there are several God, but he made himself clear that "I am the ALL-mighty God" the God of all gods.
The most important thing is that is that you know the God you serve, and even know his name..
NOTE: there are some places in India especially where we have monks (Hindi), if you tell them God bless you, in there "state of mind" they think you are are referring to (Buddha), in some India films, if you read the subtitle under the bottom screen, they sometimes write God bless you, they write the "God" capital "G" but put Buddha in bracket..
So Jesus isn't exempted from being a God, because he have the attributes, but he's not "Jehovah" his own name is "YESHUA", but endorsed by JEHOVAH and operate in the spirit mind of JEHOVAH, (that's a mystery you and I can't understand)
share this post to pass the knowledge

I just have two questions for you

What does it mean to be A God?

Is Jehovah also A God?