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Maximus69:
It's called progressive Understanding Sir!

Jehovah kept calling himself the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob! Exodus 3:15

This same Jehovah told Moses that those three never knew him by his name! Exodus 6:2-3

WHY?

Because his obedient worshipers must learn about him progressively not once {Ecclesiastes 3:11} so Jehovah who never frown at Abraham, Isaac or Jacob got annoyed over the things he later taught their children, whereas Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew those commandments!

So progressive understanding is God should overruled His own long time law that No one should worship another being apart from Him?

To justify the reason why RUSSELL and his team are part of the heavenly ones and also an idol worshippers really makes you look more stupid.

Didn't Russell and his team know that Jehovah hates idolatry?

So why will Russell and his team died worshipping and reverence Jesus Christ and Jehovah didn't bother to correct them?

I can see how you're just jumping around like monkey, to divert attention here.

Despite the fact that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never knew the commandments did they died worshipping another God along the true God?

Do you think God will allow any of His prophet to die in error?

These are the questions you can't outrightly say "Yes or No" to because you know, you're trying to defend the indefensible.

Janosky:
Yahweh Himself NEVER gave anybody instruction to that effect.

So how is Russell and his team end up worshipped and reverence Jesus Christ?

In view of Matthew 4:10 (quoted Deut6:13), Jesus says Yahweh The Jealous God NEVER commanded anybody to worship Jesus.
Trinitarians FRAUDULENT TWIST of Hebrews 1:6 can NOT stand.

So why did Russell and his team worshipped Jesus till they died?

Janosky have has not saved himself ,let alone determine another man's salvation or otherwise.

So have you saved yourself before determined another man's salvation also?

Hypocrite!

I know this really pains you enter marrow, that's why you want to die in severe pain.

Just imagine only you spammed my mention more than 9 times! I must be really tormenting you in your dream.

You better give your life to Christ before it's too late

Janosky:

See hypocrite shouting up and down.....
Emusan Confused hypocrite , you have ZERO Power to determine Mr Russell's fate if you like keep shouting up and down till kingdom come....


KNOWS Luke 9:30-35, DESTROYED his "Jesus is God dwell in the flesh" FRAUD embedded in the works of Wycliffe and Tyndale.
Emusan Confused, SHAMELESS LIAR dey UPGRADE FRAUD..


The Trinitarian FRAUD of Hebrews 1:6 MISLEAD so many generations of sincere people worldwide.
Matthew 4:10, Jesus Christ himself says Trinitarian Hebrews 1:6 is a FRAUD.
Only Jehovah in His Infinite Mercies can determine their fate, NOT Emusan..

So I don't have power to Russell fate but you hypocrite JWs have power to determine another people fate!

That's why you people will remain an hypocrite forever.

From the scripture, God hates idolatry which is worshipping another being along the true God.

Now, Russell and his team worshipped Jesus which you people claimed is an idolatry.

Do you need special deliverance to know that Russell did what Jehovah detests? Which Revation even said their end is lake of fire.

Now it's only Jehovah that'll determine their fate but you have right to determine other people fate.

Definitely you're Jehovah then!

Maximus69:
Galatians 5:22-23 enumerate the qualities God's holy spirit will help those digging to cultivate!

So once a group successfully achieved the settings it's members have no option than to start putting off their old habits in order to put on those qualities, that's what happened amongst Jehovah's Witnesses.

Gradually that the group have established all those qualities, whoever wants to stay must exert himself/herself to meet up with that standard! Luke 13:24

In the 1870s when the group began this journey just 2 of those qualities was found permeating their gathering but today, all those 9 qualities are completed.

That's why you can speak of their errors back then when they began, but the Bible says "they've washed their robes in the blood of the lamb" Revelations 7:14

Of course you and i know thorough washing takes time and effort!

And I check the same Gal 5:22-23 I didn't see worshipping and reverence of Jesus Christ there...

So how did Russell come about those doctrines or were the doctrines just his own concept?

Another delusion you're still living with is that, by just seeing it as an error when in reality God will never allow any of His prophets to die in error.

Jehovah hates idolatry but allowed His own mouthpiece to die as an idol worshipper.

Very pathetic!

Maximus69:
God granted them that underserved kindness (grace) because they keep digging to unravel the sacred secrets Sir!

Proverbs 2:1-5

No matter what you practice in the past, once you're prepared to dig into God's word NOT just flowing with the common trend around you like your folks.

God granted them undeserved kindness not to practice idolatry but the same God failed to grant RUSSELL and his team the same undeserved kindness.

continue.....

Your list didn't contain idolatry because you know vividly that God will never allow such but you went ahead to ramp your face in sand and still think the same God will allow Russell to practice idolatry, Is the height of 21st century delusion!

Don't worry the same undeserved kindness that your god granted your organization to declare Russell an idol worshipper will still be granted to declare you an idolater years to come.

Maximus69:
From Abraham till date, God's people have made lots of progress in
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
GOODNESS
GENTLENESS
FAITH
MILDNESS and
SELF-CONTROL.

We are progressing Sir, this is present NOT past anymore!

Your folks have refused to yield that's why they're contradicting one another!
From Russell till date is still the same Organization and the progress is felt globally. And the oneness remains indisputable!

I check through your list but I couldn't find POLYTHEIST, IDOLATRY

How possible Jehovah didn't allow any of them (who are not even that enlighten) to practice Polytheist and idolatry, but allowed only your Russell and his team (who are more enlighten) to involve in idol worship?

Oh yee followers of idol worshippers everywhere!

Maximus69:
How well Sir.

Not how far!

So you know this

Then was this apply to only JWs?

Keep going back and forth

But no hiding place for the followers of idol worshippers.

Maximus69:
PEACE amongst themselves Sir!

Unlike your folks below.

At least Kumuyi and Oyakilomeh didn't claim they were called at the same time! Unlike your organization that claim THE SAME Jehovah has been His head from onset, yet with different contradictory doctrines.

Peace amongst themselves will be best described as

Jehovah inspiration through Russell, Rutherford and Knorr: Jesus is to be worshiped and reverend with Jehovah (Polytheists).

The same Jehovah inspiration through the new witnesses generation: Worshipping and reverence of Jesus Christ is an idolatry

The act the same Jehovah hated and revealed the repercussion of whoever involved in it to the last apostle in Revelation

How just one single organization with the self acclaimed inspired by one spirit couldn't even agree among themselves, even calling the founder and all previous one idol worshippers.

Maximus69:
History of the world's most organized and orderly people!

History of the founder and his team rendered as idol worshippers by their god and new generation.

Maximus69:
Whatever you choose to believe Emusan!

WHATEVER!

This is not a belief I choose to believe but what history and you yourself have confirmed.

Maximus69:
He gave orders much more complicated than that in ancient times but the sign to know he is the same person is how organized and orderly his people are even when critics thinks he is confused!

So you agree that your god once instructed people to worship and reverence Jesus.

That's good to know.

Maximus69:
What really matters to our God is readiness to yield when orders changes!

That's why his own sheep move with one accord, whether he goes right or left we are not to question him and start asking "Why leading us through the valley of the shadows, when there is a better path?" Psalms 23:4

When he led us directly to the red sea, our faithful brothers never questioned him "why didn't you follow the path Jacob our father took here? After all he never crossed the sea with his family when coming to Egypt"

So we are PATIENTLY following his instructions, because the love we have for our God bears all things, hope all things, believe all things and endures all things 1Corinthians 13:7

Thanks Sir!

So it's your god instruction that Jesus should be worshipped and praised at a time then Jesus should stop be worshipped and reverend.

What a confused god!

Maximus69:
Thanks for your time Sir, just know that your God differs from mine!

Mine teaches mankind gradually so each generation gets better understanding of our God so keep your TRINITY!

You're welcome for your time, O ye followers of idol worshippers!

Of course, your god teaches gradually and that's why what you regard as truth today, your god will call it idolatry in the next few years.

Maximus69:
My guy, the light is getting brighter!

And your doctrines will keep changing....

So Mr don't be surprised that as the light getting brighter, your salvation isn't sure because just imagine the fate of those Russell and his team made to worship Jesus and today they're now a pagan worshippers.

Just as whatever you believe today "as the light is getting brighter" will surely be regarded as darkness too.

Just as Russell himself said "undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;…"

What each generation of God's servants know keeps increasing, what we know today surpasses that of Abel, Seth, Methuselah, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Samuel, Elijah, John the Baptist.
All these people never had the same understanding about Jehovah! Exodus 6:2-3

From old testament till era of new testament the standard of God never change. God has given law about Idolatry. So if God hates idolatry then He can't allow Russell and his team to die as an idol worshippers.

So the only thing that attracts God's anger is refusal to accept correction when you find someone to enlighten you. Whatever you practice before then so far you're working towards improvement. God will never punish you for what you don't know!

So who is the person that was trying to enlighten Russell into correction and why did Russell reject the correction? Or you mean Jehovah didn't send anybody to correct him...

That means the anger of God is on Russell for the refusal to accept correction.

So if people are working towards improvement, how then your demonic organization claimed they are the only with THE TRUTH?

Can you have the truth and still be working into improvement?

I can see you didn't talk about Williams Tyndale and John Wycliffe again just because I've exposed your lies.

You want to hide under them but you don't their works are already against you.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm, Jesus said "by their FRUIT you will know them!" Matthew 7:15-20

Just know that your insult and abuses keeps revealing your immaturity!

Inú ñbí ewúré ó wá ñfi esè wa ilè!

This tactic won't work...

Russell rubbish your light getting brighter nonsense.

Do you agree with Russell statement?

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

I've given you the criteria Sir,

Willingness to accept correction after a thorough research Proverbs 2:1-5

So why didn't Russell accept the correction before he died?

why did he disobey Jehovah for not accepting the correction?

OR

We can then say, there were no CORRECTIONS to make after the research?

God has continued to pick honest hearted and sincere individuals during the dark ages like William Tyndale, John Wycliffe and many others who were trying to make research to find out what was wrong with the Orthodox Churches.

Waooooooo so these people are honest hearted persons.

No wonder all honest hearted persons worshipped Christ and pray to Him but dishonest hearted people like JWs today failed to do the same.

Williams Tyndale and John Wycliffe Bible never translate John 1:1 as "...the word was a god" but "and the worde was God" "and God was the Word"

Who is wrong among Tyndale, Wycliffe and NWT?

Don't forget that most of them were murdered for this just course so God picked from amongst them through the dark ages! Revelations 12:11

And don't forget that ALL OF THEM were murdered believing Jesus deserves to be worshipped and reverend.

So why will Jehovah choose such people if what they did then is now wrong today?

So Jehovah is a double standard God.

Janosky:
Only Jehovah God possess IMMENSE POWER to know EVERYTHING, His servants DON'T.

But you people claimed to be Jehovah today by possessing power to know EVERYTHING.

Emusan keeps recycling JUNK.....

It's a junk to you but you can still say RUSSELL IS VERY CORRECT, no wonder you don't have any single shame!

Just accept Russell himself has rubbish your light getting brighter nonsense

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

Mr Russell is very CORRECT.
For example,
" in the beginning God created the heaven and earth", Genesis1:1.

Hebrews 1:2 "God created the Universe THROUGH His Son"
More details not revealed in Genesis 1:1.
That's what Russell is actually saying.

If not because you're not wise, Heb 1:2 didn't contradict Gen 1:1 as your teaching today contradicted that of your founder and called him an idol worshipper.

Because, both are saying the same thing, one didn't say God isn't the creator of the universe.

But look at this:

Russell:
1. Jesus deserves to be worshipped and pray to.
2. Jesus was not Angel

Today JWs:
1. Jesus is a created being, he doesn't deserve to be worshipped, doing so means idolatry.
2. Jesus is an Angel infact the very Archangel Michael.

Every reasonable person knows that this is a contradictory statements.

Russell worshipped the God and Father of Jesus Christ, so STOP DECEIVING yourself.

So that means he is a liar for teaching people to worship Jesus

In spite of Jesus Christ leading and teaching his Followers, they still disputed among themselves for positions of prominence amidst other flaws.
Jehovah's servants must have frailties, but
Emusan prefers to DECEIVE himself that they are not Jehovah's servants because they were not perfect.
David wey commit Murder and adultery and the Armed Robber executed with Jesus, them go enter God's kingdom before you, in spite of their iniquities .
They were humble to acknowledge their limitations, unlike the proud demigod critical of Jehovah's servants.
"Jesus is God dwell in the flesh FRAUD Man.

The reason why you people keep living in this delusions is because your shallow mind couldn't understand the main point.

Nobody says, any apostles or human are perfect or infallible or never committed any sin.

But the point is, did God allow them to die in wrong believe?

Russell and his team who were inspired by Jehovah and see himself as GOD'S MOUTHPIECE died in believing Jesus Christ deserves to be worshipped and pray to. but today the same Jehovah who inspired Russell now inspired your organization that look Jesus doesn't deserve to be worshipped, doing so is an act of idolatry.

It's evident you people are just attacking strawman.

Maximus69:
Please can't you discuss maturely without insulting people?

See pot calling kettle black...

God's word taught us to deliver his message with mild temper and deep respect {1Peter 3:15} with your manner of approach you will only gather desperate people looking for solutions to problems!

So you know this but you don't abide by it!

Hypocrite!

Please show some manners you can't try this with Muslims, think how Jesus will view you as you're supposed to build faith in people's hearts NOT to tear down their loving spirit! Matthew 12:19

Ode....
I live in Northern part of Nigeria, stop saying nonsense I'm not a coward like you who run from Jihadist.

Back to your questions!

(1) Peter spoke with the words of the prophecies at heart he wasn't inspired at the time. This was evident in his next comment! Matthew 16:21-23

But Jesus said it was the Father who revealed it to Peter...

Was Peter wrong in what he said, despite not being inspired?

Why was Russell made many wrong doctrines despite being inspired?

(2) Like Apostle Peter, Charles Taze Russell made several mistakes based on what the whole earth thought back then about Christianity, take note that Peter made so many errors {Matthew 16:21-23, 26:75; Galatians 2:11-14} yet Jesus included Peter (even made him spokesman amongst the Apostles) Matthew 16:17-19 compare to Act 2:14, 3:12. So Russell and his team were wrong in some things they did and said back then but Jesus doesn't look at our errors, our Master, Lord and King focuses on our willingness to make amendments. That's why he said "I came to save sinners(people who are willing to admit their shortcomings)" Matthew 9:13

Like I said, what Russell did wasn't MISTAKE but still HOLDING UNTO THE VERY DOCTRINES you people now count as pagan practices.

The point that an honest mind will ask is, why would God allow Russell and his team to die in those PRACTICES if today those practices are now pagan?

Did God allow Apostle Peter to die in his mistake (even though Peter didn't make any, except for deluded JWs)?

(3) You kept repeating the same thing Sir.
Faithfulness has nothing to do with mistakes! For your information, Russell and his team were much more faithful than most of us living now! Because if not because of their boldness to stand out and making research to unravel the secrets of the orthodox Churches i can't think of living Islam for the churches of Christendom whose faith yields nothing different from Islam! Matthew 7:16-18

I will keep repeating it but you're an hypocrite.

Russell was faithful, are you God to determine that?

What of those who stand against the teaching of Catholic, are they not faithful?

What are the short coming of Russell and his team?
It's like you don't know the point here.

RUSSELL and his team uphold the teaching of what you people called pagan practices today, tell me, how can God allow such person to be part of His elected but failed to see people before him? That's partiality, which God will never do.

The foundation of God stands sure.....

If worshipping Christ is an idol practice then RUSSELL and his team are idol worshippers.

So they were faithful like Jesus' first century Apostles who (despite their shortcomings) stood firm for what they knew! Act 4:19-20

So that means the first century Apostles also worshipped Jesus Christ since that's the same doctrines Russell uphold.

Please know that your grievances won't change nothing it will only continue to show how empty and credulous you are, but your ability to reason maturely with mild temper and deep respect is what counts! 1Peter 3:15

You called it grievance but it's evident I'm presenting fact to you.

See how the same RUSSELL just rubbish your light getting brighter gebbrish.

If RUSSELL is as faithful as apostles of old as you claimed, then this his statement should hit your mind.

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

Everyone can see how hypocrisy is ruining your life, Russel and his team who worshipped Christ suddenly became God's elected but people before him are all rejected.

Maximus69:
(1&2) God's holy spirit often guide people in so many ways but that doesn't implies they are Inspired. For instance Peter answered Jesus' answer by saying "you are the Christ" of course Peter said this after considering all the prophecies regarding the Christ that Jesus fulfilled. But that doesn't implies Peter was inspired!
Like wise God's spirit can guide an honest hearted person to where he could get answers to what he seeks if he solely rely on God's inspired word!

Truly, wisdom has eluded you.

Just look at the nonsense you wrote

Peter said that after considering ALL THE PROPHECIES and Jesus said to him that non man revealed that to him if not the Father.

So can the message inspired through somebody be wrong?

I know you'll be having the thought that, after all, while as a Muslim you don't lie the way you're now lying trying to defend Russell and his pagan team.

(3) That's the level of their understanding before the light got brighter!

So it was through human understanding their teaching came from, that's interesting!

Besides, this Russell statement alone has rubbished your light getting brighter gebbrish.

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

Was Russell wrong or right?

(4) You only need to rephrase your question if you feel the one responding didn't answer you accordingly, that's what true Christians call "mild temper and deep respect" 1Peter 3:15

Do you believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives?

Isn't this in line with Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

achorladey:
What made the whole thing more FUNNY is SALVATION is based on ERROR FILLED ORGANIZATION. All others are to PERISH according to Maximus69 if they are not PART of the organization.

But its equally easy for the organization and its MEMBERS to say OTHERS are FALSE WORSHIPPERS of God.


Back and FORTH understanding that is ADJUSTED, READJUSTED, get BRIGHTER and BRIGHTER as if there is DARKNESS in God of CELESTIAL LIGHTS.

What they're trying to do is to absorb Russell and his team from the past ERROR and to make it plain that they were still part of the heavenly one. By that they must in every way defend Russell.

No wonder they have been accusing even the faithful apostles, something that no Bible students have ever done.

But the funny aspect of it is that, even Russell himself said

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

See how Russell himself rubbished their light getting brighter nonsense.

Russell own statement has proved them to be a false teacher and false organization.

Janosky:
E still dey give Janosky sifia pains
Many false doctrines.....
Immortal soul, Christmas , Trinity, Love of Titles and so much more etc .

Didn't Russell and his team also hold and practice some of these doctrines?

Hypocrite wey Cross and Pyramids symbols full him house,church and Office....
You have ZERO PROOF that Russell worshipped idols. Janosky GIBBERISH..

Russell and his team worshipped Jesus, isn't that another god or you agree Jesus is Jehovah?

achorladey:
Always read what you type before POSTING. The CONTRADICTION in the opening paragraph is too GLARING e.g John the Baptist WASN'T INSPIRED........opening sentence

Closing words of the paragraph........course GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT GUIDED HIM

BACK and FORTH......You see

That's what brainwash does!

Note that's the same way their demonic organization do claim.

Notice these two statements

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food." Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26

"Jehovah God has made known to his anointed ones in advance what these scriptures mean." Watchtower 1931 Jun 1 p.160

"Jehovah's people confess no powers of inspiration today" Watchtower 1952 Apr 15 p.253

Maximus69:
(1) Definitions at times differs so i disagree, for instance John the baptist wasn't inspired yet all what he did was according to the prophecies recorded in scriptures, of course God's holy spirit guided him!

How can God's Holy Spirit guide John the Baptist and yet he wasn't inspired?

What does it mean to be inspired?

(2) Russell surely acknowledged the need for improvement in what he knew, but he didn't know the way forward, he welcomed the light. So there is a sharp contrast!

So the light he welcome was that Christ should be worshipped, and do you welcome the same LIGHT?

(3) Willingness to accept correction! For instance the Bible students still celebrated Christmas in the year 1926 (ten years after Russell) so the willingness is what Jesus wants! Luke 23:42-43

So you're not WILLING TO ACCEPT CORRECTION and you don't have the WILLINGNESS that Jesus wants, that's why you're not part of it.

(4) Muhammad meditated thoroughly during the time AntiChrist (Catholic Church) was still thriving, so he couldn't have gotten anything better, and God's word foretold that Ishmael will not take part in the salvation plan. Genesis 17:18-21}
Moreover nobody choose for God the destination we're going to spend our eternity, God selects. Matthew 20:20-23
What is Paramount is living forever in peace and loving environment, heaven or earth is not our problem!

This is why you always prove to people that you're not intelligent, look at my post and compare to your reply. Does it match?

Here it is again,

You believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives, then isn't it a brainwash that Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

Janosky:
Achorladey KNOWS the difference is clear between Jesus followers/Jehovah's witnesses...
Jesus followers/Jehovah's witnesses listened to Jesus corrections of their faulty understanding of Scriptures....

Since the Council of Nicaea, have churchgoers or Christendom corrected their FALSE doctrine of Trinity and stick to the truth revealed by Jesus Christ?

No DECEIVE yourself joor

The evidence is there for everyone to see....

So if these churchgoers changed their teaching today like OK oooo Trinity is now a false doctrine, then we can declare those who held this previous teaching as RIGHTEOUS and being part of the heavenly one or they are still idol worshippers?

The more you're trying to absorb Russell and his team of idol worshippers who qualified to be part of heavenly ones, the more you'll keep proving being stupid.

Janosky:
Matthew 4:10. Matthew 10:32-33.
Revelations 3:5,12.
Emusan judge for yourself.

These are my questions:

So Rutherford didn't promote the worship of Jesus Christ bah?

Does worshipping of Jesus Christ an act of idolatry or not?

Does that means those who claimed to be Christians since the departure of the Apostles till the time of Russell who are worshipping Christ and holding unto the doctrines JWs now term as pagan practices are actually doing the right thing until Jehovah decided to change that teachings many years later?

So if it's that so, when was the change of not WORSHIPPING Jesus Christ start and stop, and when was Jehovah made the worship of Christ and idolatry?

This hide and seek won't help you!

Janosky:
Jesus Christ disciples were directed by holy spirit?
Were they perfect and infallible?

You no read where Paul and Barnabas were quarrel over John Mark?

They were not perfect and infallible

but do you believe THIER WRITINGS were FALLIBLE or infallible?

God has been using fallible human for ages to SPEAK INFALLIBLE MESSAGE and produce PERFECT BOOK

So because they were quarreling means THEY DIED IN WRONG TEACHING...Do they?

So answer my questions and stop being stupid.


By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)
Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

1. Do you agree with this?

2. If God allow Russell and his pagan team to worship Christ and died as an idol worshippers, do you think I as a Trinitarian won't be part of heavenly one?

3. What criteria does Russell and his team become part of the heavenly one and you who didn't worship Jesus nor promoting other pagan doctrines don't have?

4. You believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives, then isn't it a brainwash that Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

Janosky:
Rutherford worshipped the God and Father of Jesus Christ, no DECEIVE yourself.

Jehovah is a God of Positive Change, in His Infinite mercies, Emusan was never born with complete set of teeth in his mouth...

Before Noah , Jehovah's servants were not meat eaters. Why ?
Genesis 9:1-4, Jehovah ordered a Change.
Genesis 2:1-24, Jehovah had no arrangement for Jesus Christ coming to earth for man's redemption.
However, after the fall of Man , Jehovah ordered and Engineered the Change...
Do you want more?

MUMU Janosky Pagan pretending to be following Christ wey him no know....
positive CHANGE is constant, no dey DECEIVE yourself

So Rutherford didn't promote the worship of Jesus Christ bah?

Does worshipping of Jesus Christ an act of idolatry or not?

Does that means those who claimed to be Christians since the departure of the Apostles till the time of Russell who are worshipping Christ and holding unto the doctrines JWs now term as pagan practices are actually doing the right thing until Jehovah decided to change that teachings many years later?

So if it's that so, when was the change of not WORSHIPPING Jesus Christ start and stop, and when was Jehovah made the worship of Christ and idolatry?

Maximus69:
Thanks for sharing your time to reason along Sir!

But if you still have further thought provoking questions about my beliefs, please feel free to ask but doing so with deep respect for me as i'm doing with you now!

I don't have any problem with your religious beliefs, all i'm saying is that my own God is not three in one so you go on worshiping yours while i also go on worshiping mine.
No wahala!

Yes my thought provoking questions are:

By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired

The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)

Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

1. Do you agree with this?

2. If God allow Russell and his pagan team to worship Christ and died as an idol worshippers, do you think I as a Trinitarian won't be part of heavenly one?

3. What criteria does Russell and his team become part of the heavenly one and you who didn't worship Jesus nor promoting other pagan doctrines don't have?

4. You believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives, then isn't it a brainwash that Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

Janosky:
WAYO Emusan mouth and DELUDED brain DECEIVE am he imagine Russell worships idols like himself and him triune pagan deity devotees

Russell worshipped Jesus till he died, Rutherford worshipped Jesus till he died and many JWs.

So are they Idol worshippers or not?

Emusan, that day light at 5:00am gets brighter at 10:00am, it's POSITIVE CHANGE


Proverbs 4:18 The light getting brighter and more brighter ,it's POSITIVE CHANGE.....

It's only the lying organization that pulled that out to deceive people like you no scholars as ever said prov 4:18 is a prophecy of CHANGE IN DOCTRINES.

Practical Example...
Isaiah 42:18, "I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to another ...."

John 17:17, Your word is Truth".

John 17:24, "Father,I want those you have given me to be with me and see my glory,the glory YOU have given me before the creation of the world"

Emusan GRAND DELUSION concludes that Jesus and his Father are liars whereas, the light of truth gets brighter given us better understanding of Isaiah 42:8 and John 17:17,24. (See John15:15).
John 18:36 Jesus testify, bear witness to the truth, Emusan circumcise your heart and ears..

I'm very sure you don't see the implication of this, that's why you have to make your God a liar.

The truth is God will never give His glory to a MERE creatures.

Janosky triune Pagan deity devotee pretending to be following Christ.
TUEH. !!!!

But the pagan Russell and his team who worshipped Christ are the true followers of Christ.

Maximus69:
(1)None of God's servants died in wrong belief, it was a progressive understanding that took place. Note that John the baptist was sent ahead of Jesus, yet Jesus had to correct the misconceptions John taught his own followers {Matthew 9:14-17} even one of John's disciples (Apollos) was teaching people about Jesus but Priscilla and Aquila had to correct the misconceptions in his teachings! 18:24-26
So the progressive understanding of God's word never meant those who held the old opinion were pagans!

I know your block head won't still grab the point.

Did they DIE believing wrong teaching?

OR

God allowed them to die in wrong teaching?

(2)Not exactly but their were misconceptions they died with that John later corrected! For instance, when Jesus said something about Apostle John, Peter went telling everyone that Jesus said John will not die until Jesus returns so John who wrote his gospel some 66 years later after all the Apostles (including Peter) have died, correct that misconception! John 21:20-23

Misconception is different from CHANGE / CONTRADICTION

Now, let's assume everything written by John in Revelation contradict those previous Apostles since he's the last person Jesus revealed things to.

Will you still trust in the infallibility of the Bible?

(3) Russell was a sincere Bible student who began the research with his team, he never claimed to be inspired that's why we continue to dig deeper to unravel more sacred secrets that Russell himself didn't discover in his own time.
But one thing is certain, it's the foundation his team laid down that has led to further discoveries, unlike other religious groups who thought their founders were inspired and remained in the teachings of such founders even after discovering the errors of their Church founders!

Imagine....I know your case is like that person moving from frying pan to fire! From lying Islam to lying JWs.

If I begin to show where RUSSELL and previous successors claim INSPIRATION for their works now, your tune will change

Anyways, I know you must lie to continue to defend your demonic organization.

For a start!

"Jehovah's witnesses admire the qualities he possessed as a man, but were we to give the honor and credit to Pastor Russell, we would be saying that the works and success were his; but Jehovah's witnesses believe it is God's spirit that guides and directs his people." Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959) p.63

Now you're here claiming they're not inspired when your deluded organization says they were inspired.

(4) Neither Russell nor his team said anything about being called by God! They were just Bible scholars till their death, Jesus later chose their group and started guiding them to make improvements!

At least you've confirmed that RUSSELL and his pagan team were not CALLED by God.

RUSSELL and his team were BIBLE SCHOLARS from which school? This your lying mouth has reached the same level with your father the Devil.

Kai....I'm just wondering the eyes Russell himself will use to look you from hell now.

Janosky:
Emusan you no get liver, go ahead and report.....

I'm just showing how stupid and nitwit you are.

So why didn't the mod you called banned me?

You cried to mod when you're stupidly spamming my mention which is also against NL rules yet thinking it should dance to your favour.

The same way you people will be condemning other people without looking at the log in your own eyes.


Hypocrite!!!

Maximus69:
(1) They made many mistakes, if you're not called to it you won't know!

Do their MISTAKES allowed them to died in wrong believe?

(2) All the Apostles have died before Jesus revealed what will happen to them for John!

Does what Jesus reveal through apostle John CONTRADICT what the rest of Apostles died with?

(3) Pagan means (unbeliever) note that a worshiper of Sango is also a believer but failed to know whom to believe! So they're all believers but not having accurate knowledge at that time, just as most of Jesus Apostle never had the accurate knowledge like John who got the revelation!

So what is the difference between Russell and his team your God couldn't correct and allowed to died as a pagan in worshipping Jesus along side of Jehovah and Trinitarian?

Why would Jehovah allow Russell to died in wrong believe, if he was the one who actually called him?