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Firstly, just as Achorlade said, you're lost in your own discussions because there's no correlation BTW the post and your reply.

Which means you're just jumping around like monkey.

Janosky:
Don't you know that Jehovah made a covenant with David ? Luke 1:31-33. 2 Samuel 7:12-16.
That is the reason king Solomon was ALLOWED to remain on Jehovah's throne.

Did God accept/happy with what Solomon did or not, despite the fact God had convenat with David?

No wonder you couldn't quote vs 9-10

"but my lovingkindness shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee."
Compare Exodus 33:19.

How does this address the fact that God rebuked what Solomon did?

Does Jehovah have any covenant with triune pagan deity devotees stubbornly clinging to their DELUSION ?

So which convenat did God have with the pagan Russell and his team?

Triune pagan deity devotees shouting upandan with excuses to DISOBEY Jesus Christ injunction @ Matthew 4:10, given by his Father (Deut 6:13. John 15:15).Janosky dey there dey DECEIVE yourself

Just attacking a straw man argument!

Who give you the absolute POWER to make decisions for Jehovah God?

Ode.....

Rozz:
freshboi88 leave my husbands alone already,just admit it.One thing I like about JW is that they are very decent and strongly principled and they are among the most learned in Christianity as a whole.A Muslim friend told me that its only JW that is practising true Christianity and I had to school him anyways,its because of this Trinity issues that the muslims believes so about JW.

If they are among the most LEARNED Christian then it means they're many LEARNED out there!

So because your Muslim friend told you something means what?

Should I tell you other people's opinions about JWs?

like I said earlier, what we're discussing here is about eternity!

Rozz:
freshboi88 leave my husbands alone already,just admit it.One thing I like about JW is that they are very decent and strongly principled.

So how does this guarantee your eternity?

freshboi88:
But the Jehovah says there's only one saviour not two.....c as u contradict urself

You're making her to be more confused!

achorladey:
Did SOLOMON died not knowing IDOLATRY is a SIN?

Obviously SOLOMON knew well that IDOLATRY is a SIN. He was equally forewarned about IDOLATRY before he eventually became an IDOLATER.

You were the ONE making case for RUSSELL that he didn't KNOW worshipping JESUS was WRONG(IDOLATRY). Which is as GOOD as saying RUSSELL don't know IDOLATRY is a SIN.


You have roped yourself and equally getting lost in your own VERY DISCUSSION

You got it accurately....

Just see the way they're making case for Russell and his team of pagan worshippers yet classifying others as an idolaters.

Notice this:

Q: Who should we pray to?
Jws: Quoting Matt 6:9 "Our Father who at in heaven"

Q: Then why did Russell and his team pray to Jesus?
Jws: He was mislead by translation or didn't know praying to Jesus was wrong.

Q: Then, didn't Russell come across Matt 6:9 in his Bible or that verse was written after he was dead?
Jws: Show me where he said Jesus was his God?

You can see him using Solomon as reference and even the apostles have been accused of making mistakes but they can never answers any of this questions:

Did God allow Solomon to die as idolater or the apostles to die in their mistakes (even when they didn't make any)?

Janosky:
king Solomon worshipped idols. He knew idolatry is wrong.
Did king Solomon not sit on Jehovah's throne? 1 Chro29:23.

* 1 Kings 11:4-7
4For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect with Jehovah his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did that which was evil in the sight of Jehovah, and went not fully after Jehovah, as did David his father. 7 Then did Solomon build a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, in the mount that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8 And so did he for all his foreign wives, who burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods."

Did Jehovah REMOVE kingship from Solomon?

1 Kings11:41-31.
"41 Now the rest of the acts of Solomon, and all that he did, and his wisdom, are they not written in the book of the acts of Solomon? 42 And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years. 43 And Solomon slept with his fathers, and was buried in the city of David his father: and Rehoboam his son reigned in his stead."

Jehovah allowed king Solomon to die in the practice of idolatry.
Emusan STOP making Empty NOISE upandan
You have ZERO power to make decisions for Jehovah God.

Modify:
No wonder you stopped at vs 7 because you know doing that will expose your lies!

From v9 God got angry at Solomon for following wrong path!

So the Lord became angry with Solomon, because his heart had turned from the Lord God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice, 10 and had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods; but he did not keep what the Lord had commanded. NKJV

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My main point is @underlined

So it's you and your demonic organization that have power to make decisions for Jehovah God bah?

And if I have ZERO power to make decisions for Jehovah God, who then make you a judge that worshipping Jesus won't make Jehovah God to pick me as one of His anointing ones, since Jehovah does what He likes?

I know your deluded mouth tune will change now!

Peacefullove:
Rants , I need prove for where Russell claimed Jesus is HIS GOD ?

You called it rant because your lying mouth is being exposed.

Now see the way she boycotted my point and question!

Here again

So Russell only shows Christ RESPECT because he LACKS THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE of Proskuneo.
So now that Proskuneo isn't worshipped, are we to respect Christ?

Your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

"SOME DON'T KNOW"

Who are these "SOME"?

And Wasn't that verse already in the scripture before Russell was born?

What is the essence of Russell being the very MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah and yet Jehovah allowed him to die in this wrong believe?

Like I said earlier, your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

Peacefullove:
I should tell you that actually, Give a straight forward answer from the bible: Is Jesus OUR GOD?

Yes!

I am God too, Jesus , angels are Gods too
God but not Almighty God and not our God.

Me, angels , Jesus all HAVE A SUPREME GOD above us. That is OUR GOD.

Yeah he is , Just as the Father.

You and Jesus are God but you respect Jesus!

Then both Jesus and the Father is OUR GOD!

Where is Jesus called OUR GOD ?

OUR savior is OUR GOD!

Where is Jesus called Angel Michael?

Peacefullove:
This is not the answer to my question, am Also called God , angels are also called God. The focus point is : WHO IS CALLED OUR GOD?

Give a straight answer nobody asked you to rant!

Is Jesus God?

The Father is also OUR saviour . now show me where Jesus Is called OUR God just like the Father ?

Is Jesus OUR SAVIOR?

Peacefullove:
So u can't prove where Russell claimed Jesus is his God?

Now see the way she boycotted my point and question!

Here again

So Russell only shows Christ RESPECT because he LACKS THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE of Proskuneo.

So now that Proskuneo isn't worshipped, are we to respect Christ?

Your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

Pray this way " OUR FATHER "

That's whom all Prayer and worship be directed to. This would mean no reference of worship should be applied to men or Jesus in the Bible. But so long we have such reference people will pray and worship Jesus. Which is wrong. But some dont know. So far they didnt claim Jesus is their God.

"SOME DON'T KNOW"

Who are these "SOME"?

And Wasn't that verse already in the scripture before Russell was born?

What is the essence of Russell being the very MOUTHPIECE of Jehovah and yet Jehovah allowed him to die in this wrong believe?

Like I said earlier, your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

Rozz:
like a said earlier,i stand with the JW concerning this

Of course, you have right to stand with anyone but that doesn't answer my questions

Is Jesus God?

Is Jesus OUR SAVIOR?

Peacefullove:
Question is : Is Jesus OUR GOD ? Where does the Bible call him OUR GOD like the Father ?

Answer my questions!

Is Jesus God?

Is Jesus OUR SAVIOR?

Peacefullove:
If it wasn't just his way of showing respect due to lack of proper knowledge of proskuneo, I EXPECTED HIM TO DECLARE JESUS AS HIS GOD , Show me where he claimed this ? Its taking you years to do this. Dont know why

Isn't this the same man that spoke vehemently against trinity?

So Russell only shows Christ RESPECT because he LACKS THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE of Proskuneo.

So now that Proskuneo isn't worshipped, are we to respect Christ?

Your lying mouth will continue to rope you in.

Show me the declaration ?

Who should we PRAY TO and worship according to the scripture?

dp

Rozz:
exactly

I will ask you just two questions about that!
Is Jesus God? Is Jesus OUR SAVIOR?

Peacefullove:
You are proving me right that you are a Liar . where did he call Jesus is God ? I already told you lack of proper knowledge of proskuneo was playing out here. Which ain't a sin. So far they didnt know

Just look at the @underlined and see how her shameless lying mouth still sounds.

Claimed it's LACK OF PROPER KNOWLEDGE of proskuneo but also said that IT'S JUST A RESPECT given to Christ!

If it's just a respect given to Christ then it shouldn't be a LACK OF PROPER KNOWLEDGE of Proskuneo because it means what they did was right and it shouldn't be blame on anything. Empty skull!

I need sound proof of where he declared Jesus as His God!!!

He declared Jesus as his God when he PRAYED to Him and WORSHIPPED Him.

You this lying mouth

That's your title from onset, and it's because Devil is your father.

Peacefullove:
Peacefullove liar
Where is the proof ?

And where does it say Jesus is OUR GOD ?

The proof is Russell and his team of pagan worshippers PRAYED TO JESUS and Worshipped Jesus. True or False?

Now she wants to cast her name to another person, never! Your name remains lying liar! Here is why.

Why did Russell and his team of pagan worshippers worship Jesus?

The lying liar mouth said:

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Yet she couldn't see these glaring lies, shameless lying liar!

Peacefullove:
Robot, Show me where Russell claimed Jesus is his God?

Secondly, provide just one place Jesus is called OUR GOD?

Until then, I never lied.

Jesus is Russell God that was why RUSSELL and his team PRAYED TO Jesus and WORSHIPPED Him.

About the lies again!

Why did Russell and his team of pagan worshippers worship Jesus?

The lying liar mouth said:

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Yet she couldn't see these glaring lies, shameless lying liar!

Hairyrapunzel:
See someone that can't show proof of where they mentioned jesus christ is angel Michael in the bible is ranting.

Thomas called Jesus Christ my God in the bible.

You don't know the lying liar mouth.

She's looking for opportunities to deviate from her lies about Russell, which I won't allow to happen!

Peacefullove:
Actually no lies, You can't ever find a single place Jesus is called OUR GOD. So stop screaming failure up there.

@bold

Why did Russell and his team of pagan worshippers worship Jesus?

The lying liar mouth said

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Yet she couldn't see these glaring lies, shameless lying liar!

Peacefullove:
So no proof that Jesus is OUR GOD ?

Until you admit your lies!
You can't eat your cake and still have it....

Peacefullove:
Robot, am not a liar until you give proof that they said Jesus is their God and until you show me where Jesus is called OUR God.

Of course, I don't expect you to admit you're a liar but the evidences below show Devil is your father who is a liar from the beginning and will never admit to be a liar.

Four different cases from a twisted lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Peacefullove:
Eeyah, its so hard to find where Jesus is called OUR GOD ? Eeyah , sorry for your pathetic situation .

Four different cases from a twisted lying mouth person....

Only a person whose his father is a liar from beginning can make bold different four lies within a breath of post without any remorse.

These your lies are still every where!

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Peacefullove:
You are a disgrace to yourself .


Why not tag me for this Rubbish u typed.

I still demand where Rusell worship Jesus as his God? Where is your proof ?


Secondly where did Jesus ever claim he is OUR GOD like you lying mouth claimed ??


Till then, You are not worthy enough to discuss this points.

Four different cases from a twisted lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Janosky:
Nos2,3 & 4 were products of no1....
No1 led to the others... Because both Wycliffe and Tyndale's Authorized Version (the father of KJV) were widely available Translations at that period of time and several others many centuries later copied their Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD until the accurate understanding of Greek proskuneo came to the fore

Lol....

You're just keep confusing but let's keep that point aside!

This is my question again!

Before I round up with you, which particular part is VALID and FACTUAL to you?

From these four different cases from a single twisted lying mouth person....
1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

Or let me put it this way:

Are all the four points correct or not?

Janosky:
The point made is VERY VALID and FACTUAL.
Bros you REFUSED to get SENSE

Na today the English speaking world began using the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles?
We are talking as far back as the 1300s/1500s....(Oga ,go and do the Maths )

Since the very day the Wycliffe & KJV Bibles came out of the printing press, that Hebrews 1:6 FRAUD have been MISLEADING the English speaking world for so many centuries.

Before I round up with you, which particular part is VALID and FACTUAL to you?

From these four different cases from one twisting lying mouth person....

1. Russell was mislead by TRANSLATION to have worshipped Jesus.

2. Those men (Russell and his team) didn't know worshipping Jesus was wrong.

3. Worship of Jesus WAS JUST A RESPECT given to Christ.

4. If he (Russell) knew Someone like you with dull heads will interpret it (worship of Jesus Christ) to mean Jesus is his God.

ADDED: I remember your deluded brother also claimed on this thread that Wycliffe and Tyndale were good Bible students. But when I pointed out the rendition of both Wycliffe and Tyndale Bible of John 1:1 he went deaf completely.

Maximus69:
My friend, a LION had greater influence than a dog but that's when it's still alive!

At death all creatures becomes equal, so human being is just the same Sir!

No matter how great or poor he may be, nothing survives Adam's descendants at death. That's the import Sir!

Yet you can't point out the very verse that says that from where you referenced Eccl 9:5-10

Or have you shifted your point from that place?

In case you do, you still have the opportunity to paste it here!

Maximus69:
What we were discussing is about anything surviving the body after death!

I quoted verse 5-10

It explains all Sir!

This is verse 5-10 and show us the Verse that says "NOTHING SURVIVES THE BODY AFTER DEATH"

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun.

Go, eat your food with rejoicing, and drink your wine with a cheerful heart, for already the true God has found pleasure in your works. May your clothing always be white, and do not fail to put oil on your head.

Enjoy life with your beloved wife all the days of your futile life, which He has given you under the sun, all the days of your futility, for that is your lot in life and in your hard work at which you toil under the sun.

Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave,
where you are going.

When one will even notice that the emphasis of the whole Ecclesiastes from beginning has always been "UNDER THE SUN" which even stated from the same chapter 9:3

Maximus69:
They no longer have any share nah!

So what is the difference between my explanation and the verse?

The different is, you used the same verse to prove that "NOTHING EXISTS after Death" which is not what that verse meant.

People struggle all their life, steal, cheat, lie and do all sort of things to acquire properties but at death they had no share in whatever is happening after them!

Well it's clear enough Sir!

Exactly, so you can see that the verse isn't about LIFE AFTER DEATH.

achorladey:
Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.​—John 16:27.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-study-april-2020/I-Have-Called-You-Friends/



One will ask since their FOCUS of worship was for JEHOVAH beginning from 1919. Who was their FOCUS of worship from 1800--------1918?

Since JESUS IS KEY to having relationship with GOD, one will further ask do other Christians they JUDGE as CHRISTENDOM don't know JESUS? or JESUS is a PROPERTY of JWs whereby they have SOLE OWNERSHIP?

You can even see their demonic organization blaming people for what they are teaching people.

Imagine if the early Bible students MISTAKENLY allowed their love for Jesus to OVERSHADOW their relationship with Jehovah. Then we can ask:

1. Who inspired this LOVE OF CHRIST to the extent of OVERSHADOWING their relationship with Jehovah?

2. Will Jesus ever allow people to love Him so much that the same love of Christ begins to affect believers' relationship with the Father? If such ever happened, then it means the house is divided against itself?

3. Can Jehovah ever allow people to love His son so much that the love they have for Him will begin to create problem for the relationship with Him?

One will then begin to wonder what sort of God will inspire such confusion!

Maximus69:
Ecclesiastes is talking about what people feel they have achieved in life apart from the treasures they have with God Sir!

That's what Jesus told a Jew but the man love his material possessions much more than keeping treasures with God where nothing can affect it! Luke 18:18-22 compare to Matthew 6:19-21

God bless you Sir!

Just see the way your hypocritical mouth is changing @underlined

You use the same Ecclesiastes "the DEAD KNOW NOTHING" to mean NOTHING survive a man after death.

The point is, you know what that verse was actually addressing but decided to give it your own myopic view. That's why you said "Ecclesiastes is talking about what people feel they have achieved in life apart from the treasures they have with God Sir!"

Thou you still failed because it's not about what "PEOPLE FEEL THEY HAVE ACHIEVED IN LIFE" but what they'll stop experience under the sun and NOT THE CONDITION OF DEATH.

Which verse 6 even points out clearly "Also, their love and their hate and their jealousy have already perished, and they no longer have any share in what is done under the sun." NWT