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Maximus69:
Please can't you discuss maturely without insulting people?

See pot calling kettle black...

God's word taught us to deliver his message with mild temper and deep respect {1Peter 3:15} with your manner of approach you will only gather desperate people looking for solutions to problems!

So you know this but you don't abide by it!

Hypocrite!

Please show some manners you can't try this with Muslims, think how Jesus will view you as you're supposed to build faith in people's hearts NOT to tear down their loving spirit! Matthew 12:19

Ode....
I live in Northern part of Nigeria, stop saying nonsense I'm not a coward like you who run from Jihadist.

Back to your questions!

(1) Peter spoke with the words of the prophecies at heart he wasn't inspired at the time. This was evident in his next comment! Matthew 16:21-23

But Jesus said it was the Father who revealed it to Peter...

Was Peter wrong in what he said, despite not being inspired?

Why was Russell made many wrong doctrines despite being inspired?

(2) Like Apostle Peter, Charles Taze Russell made several mistakes based on what the whole earth thought back then about Christianity, take note that Peter made so many errors {Matthew 16:21-23, 26:75; Galatians 2:11-14} yet Jesus included Peter (even made him spokesman amongst the Apostles) Matthew 16:17-19 compare to Act 2:14, 3:12. So Russell and his team were wrong in some things they did and said back then but Jesus doesn't look at our errors, our Master, Lord and King focuses on our willingness to make amendments. That's why he said "I came to save sinners(people who are willing to admit their shortcomings)" Matthew 9:13

Like I said, what Russell did wasn't MISTAKE but still HOLDING UNTO THE VERY DOCTRINES you people now count as pagan practices.

The point that an honest mind will ask is, why would God allow Russell and his team to die in those PRACTICES if today those practices are now pagan?

Did God allow Apostle Peter to die in his mistake (even though Peter didn't make any, except for deluded JWs)?

(3) You kept repeating the same thing Sir.
Faithfulness has nothing to do with mistakes! For your information, Russell and his team were much more faithful than most of us living now! Because if not because of their boldness to stand out and making research to unravel the secrets of the orthodox Churches i can't think of living Islam for the churches of Christendom whose faith yields nothing different from Islam! Matthew 7:16-18

I will keep repeating it but you're an hypocrite.

Russell was faithful, are you God to determine that?

What of those who stand against the teaching of Catholic, are they not faithful?

What are the short coming of Russell and his team?
It's like you don't know the point here.

RUSSELL and his team uphold the teaching of what you people called pagan practices today, tell me, how can God allow such person to be part of His elected but failed to see people before him? That's partiality, which God will never do.

The foundation of God stands sure.....

If worshipping Christ is an idol practice then RUSSELL and his team are idol worshippers.

So they were faithful like Jesus' first century Apostles who (despite their shortcomings) stood firm for what they knew! Act 4:19-20

So that means the first century Apostles also worshipped Jesus Christ since that's the same doctrines Russell uphold.

Please know that your grievances won't change nothing it will only continue to show how empty and credulous you are, but your ability to reason maturely with mild temper and deep respect is what counts! 1Peter 3:15

You called it grievance but it's evident I'm presenting fact to you.

See how the same RUSSELL just rubbish your light getting brighter gebbrish.

If RUSSELL is as faithful as apostles of old as you claimed, then this his statement should hit your mind.

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

Everyone can see how hypocrisy is ruining your life, Russel and his team who worshipped Christ suddenly became God's elected but people before him are all rejected.

Maximus69:
(1&2) God's holy spirit often guide people in so many ways but that doesn't implies they are Inspired. For instance Peter answered Jesus' answer by saying "you are the Christ" of course Peter said this after considering all the prophecies regarding the Christ that Jesus fulfilled. But that doesn't implies Peter was inspired!
Like wise God's spirit can guide an honest hearted person to where he could get answers to what he seeks if he solely rely on God's inspired word!

Truly, wisdom has eluded you.

Just look at the nonsense you wrote

Peter said that after considering ALL THE PROPHECIES and Jesus said to him that non man revealed that to him if not the Father.

So can the message inspired through somebody be wrong?

I know you'll be having the thought that, after all, while as a Muslim you don't lie the way you're now lying trying to defend Russell and his pagan team.

(3) That's the level of their understanding before the light got brighter!

So it was through human understanding their teaching came from, that's interesting!

Besides, this Russell statement alone has rubbished your light getting brighter gebbrish.

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

Was Russell wrong or right?

(4) You only need to rephrase your question if you feel the one responding didn't answer you accordingly, that's what true Christians call "mild temper and deep respect" 1Peter 3:15

Do you believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives?

Isn't this in line with Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

achorladey:
What made the whole thing more FUNNY is SALVATION is based on ERROR FILLED ORGANIZATION. All others are to PERISH according to Maximus69 if they are not PART of the organization.

But its equally easy for the organization and its MEMBERS to say OTHERS are FALSE WORSHIPPERS of God.


Back and FORTH understanding that is ADJUSTED, READJUSTED, get BRIGHTER and BRIGHTER as if there is DARKNESS in God of CELESTIAL LIGHTS.

What they're trying to do is to absorb Russell and his team from the past ERROR and to make it plain that they were still part of the heavenly one. By that they must in every way defend Russell.

No wonder they have been accusing even the faithful apostles, something that no Bible students have ever done.

But the funny aspect of it is that, even Russell himself said

"If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two or six years ago would be regarded as darkness now;… But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188

See how Russell himself rubbished their light getting brighter nonsense.

Russell own statement has proved them to be a false teacher and false organization.

Janosky:
E still dey give Janosky sifia pains
Many false doctrines.....
Immortal soul, Christmas , Trinity, Love of Titles and so much more etc .

Didn't Russell and his team also hold and practice some of these doctrines?

Hypocrite wey Cross and Pyramids symbols full him house,church and Office....
You have ZERO PROOF that Russell worshipped idols. Janosky GIBBERISH..

Russell and his team worshipped Jesus, isn't that another god or you agree Jesus is Jehovah?

achorladey:
Always read what you type before POSTING. The CONTRADICTION in the opening paragraph is too GLARING e.g John the Baptist WASN'T INSPIRED........opening sentence

Closing words of the paragraph........course GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT GUIDED HIM

BACK and FORTH......You see

That's what brainwash does!

Note that's the same way their demonic organization do claim.

Notice these two statements

"The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food." Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26

"Jehovah God has made known to his anointed ones in advance what these scriptures mean." Watchtower 1931 Jun 1 p.160

"Jehovah's people confess no powers of inspiration today" Watchtower 1952 Apr 15 p.253

Maximus69:
(1) Definitions at times differs so i disagree, for instance John the baptist wasn't inspired yet all what he did was according to the prophecies recorded in scriptures, of course God's holy spirit guided him!

How can God's Holy Spirit guide John the Baptist and yet he wasn't inspired?

What does it mean to be inspired?

(2) Russell surely acknowledged the need for improvement in what he knew, but he didn't know the way forward, he welcomed the light. So there is a sharp contrast!

So the light he welcome was that Christ should be worshipped, and do you welcome the same LIGHT?

(3) Willingness to accept correction! For instance the Bible students still celebrated Christmas in the year 1926 (ten years after Russell) so the willingness is what Jesus wants! Luke 23:42-43

So you're not WILLING TO ACCEPT CORRECTION and you don't have the WILLINGNESS that Jesus wants, that's why you're not part of it.

(4) Muhammad meditated thoroughly during the time AntiChrist (Catholic Church) was still thriving, so he couldn't have gotten anything better, and God's word foretold that Ishmael will not take part in the salvation plan. Genesis 17:18-21}
Moreover nobody choose for God the destination we're going to spend our eternity, God selects. Matthew 20:20-23
What is Paramount is living forever in peace and loving environment, heaven or earth is not our problem!

This is why you always prove to people that you're not intelligent, look at my post and compare to your reply. Does it match?

Here it is again,

You believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives, then isn't it a brainwash that Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

Janosky:
Achorladey KNOWS the difference is clear between Jesus followers/Jehovah's witnesses...
Jesus followers/Jehovah's witnesses listened to Jesus corrections of their faulty understanding of Scriptures....

Since the Council of Nicaea, have churchgoers or Christendom corrected their FALSE doctrine of Trinity and stick to the truth revealed by Jesus Christ?

No DECEIVE yourself joor

The evidence is there for everyone to see....

So if these churchgoers changed their teaching today like OK oooo Trinity is now a false doctrine, then we can declare those who held this previous teaching as RIGHTEOUS and being part of the heavenly one or they are still idol worshippers?

The more you're trying to absorb Russell and his team of idol worshippers who qualified to be part of heavenly ones, the more you'll keep proving being stupid.

Janosky:
Matthew 4:10. Matthew 10:32-33.
Revelations 3:5,12.
Emusan judge for yourself.

These are my questions:

So Rutherford didn't promote the worship of Jesus Christ bah?

Does worshipping of Jesus Christ an act of idolatry or not?

Does that means those who claimed to be Christians since the departure of the Apostles till the time of Russell who are worshipping Christ and holding unto the doctrines JWs now term as pagan practices are actually doing the right thing until Jehovah decided to change that teachings many years later?

So if it's that so, when was the change of not WORSHIPPING Jesus Christ start and stop, and when was Jehovah made the worship of Christ and idolatry?

This hide and seek won't help you!

Janosky:
Jesus Christ disciples were directed by holy spirit?
Were they perfect and infallible?

You no read where Paul and Barnabas were quarrel over John Mark?

They were not perfect and infallible

but do you believe THIER WRITINGS were FALLIBLE or infallible?

God has been using fallible human for ages to SPEAK INFALLIBLE MESSAGE and produce PERFECT BOOK

So because they were quarreling means THEY DIED IN WRONG TEACHING...Do they?

So answer my questions and stop being stupid.


By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)
Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

1. Do you agree with this?

2. If God allow Russell and his pagan team to worship Christ and died as an idol worshippers, do you think I as a Trinitarian won't be part of heavenly one?

3. What criteria does Russell and his team become part of the heavenly one and you who didn't worship Jesus nor promoting other pagan doctrines don't have?

4. You believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives, then isn't it a brainwash that Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

Janosky:
Rutherford worshipped the God and Father of Jesus Christ, no DECEIVE yourself.

Jehovah is a God of Positive Change, in His Infinite mercies, Emusan was never born with complete set of teeth in his mouth...

Before Noah , Jehovah's servants were not meat eaters. Why ?
Genesis 9:1-4, Jehovah ordered a Change.
Genesis 2:1-24, Jehovah had no arrangement for Jesus Christ coming to earth for man's redemption.
However, after the fall of Man , Jehovah ordered and Engineered the Change...
Do you want more?

MUMU Janosky Pagan pretending to be following Christ wey him no know....
positive CHANGE is constant, no dey DECEIVE yourself

So Rutherford didn't promote the worship of Jesus Christ bah?

Does worshipping of Jesus Christ an act of idolatry or not?

Does that means those who claimed to be Christians since the departure of the Apostles till the time of Russell who are worshipping Christ and holding unto the doctrines JWs now term as pagan practices are actually doing the right thing until Jehovah decided to change that teachings many years later?

So if it's that so, when was the change of not WORSHIPPING Jesus Christ start and stop, and when was Jehovah made the worship of Christ and idolatry?

Maximus69:
Thanks for sharing your time to reason along Sir!

But if you still have further thought provoking questions about my beliefs, please feel free to ask but doing so with deep respect for me as i'm doing with you now!

I don't have any problem with your religious beliefs, all i'm saying is that my own God is not three in one so you go on worshiping yours while i also go on worshiping mine.
No wahala!

Yes my thought provoking questions are:

By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired

The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)

Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit =/ Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

1. Do you agree with this?

2. If God allow Russell and his pagan team to worship Christ and died as an idol worshippers, do you think I as a Trinitarian won't be part of heavenly one?

3. What criteria does Russell and his team become part of the heavenly one and you who didn't worship Jesus nor promoting other pagan doctrines don't have?

4. You believe Muhammad deceived the Muslims by marrying many wives but only allow Muslims to marry just four wives, then isn't it a brainwash that Russell and his team who worshipped Christ and promote different pagan doctrines that Jehovah detests will be part of the heavenly ONES but you who is more faithful than them and didn't do what Jehovah detests will only be rewarded with earth?

Janosky:
WAYO Emusan mouth and DELUDED brain DECEIVE am he imagine Russell worships idols like himself and him triune pagan deity devotees

Russell worshipped Jesus till he died, Rutherford worshipped Jesus till he died and many JWs.

So are they Idol worshippers or not?

Emusan, that day light at 5:00am gets brighter at 10:00am, it's POSITIVE CHANGE


Proverbs 4:18 The light getting brighter and more brighter ,it's POSITIVE CHANGE.....

It's only the lying organization that pulled that out to deceive people like you no scholars as ever said prov 4:18 is a prophecy of CHANGE IN DOCTRINES.

Practical Example...
Isaiah 42:18, "I am Jehovah, that is my name! I will not give my glory to another ...."

John 17:17, Your word is Truth".

John 17:24, "Father,I want those you have given me to be with me and see my glory,the glory YOU have given me before the creation of the world"

Emusan GRAND DELUSION concludes that Jesus and his Father are liars whereas, the light of truth gets brighter given us better understanding of Isaiah 42:8 and John 17:17,24. (See John15:15).
John 18:36 Jesus testify, bear witness to the truth, Emusan circumcise your heart and ears..

I'm very sure you don't see the implication of this, that's why you have to make your God a liar.

The truth is God will never give His glory to a MERE creatures.

Janosky triune Pagan deity devotee pretending to be following Christ.
TUEH. !!!!

But the pagan Russell and his team who worshipped Christ are the true followers of Christ.

Maximus69:
(1)None of God's servants died in wrong belief, it was a progressive understanding that took place. Note that John the baptist was sent ahead of Jesus, yet Jesus had to correct the misconceptions John taught his own followers {Matthew 9:14-17} even one of John's disciples (Apollos) was teaching people about Jesus but Priscilla and Aquila had to correct the misconceptions in his teachings! 18:24-26
So the progressive understanding of God's word never meant those who held the old opinion were pagans!

I know your block head won't still grab the point.

Did they DIE believing wrong teaching?

OR

God allowed them to die in wrong teaching?

(2)Not exactly but their were misconceptions they died with that John later corrected! For instance, when Jesus said something about Apostle John, Peter went telling everyone that Jesus said John will not die until Jesus returns so John who wrote his gospel some 66 years later after all the Apostles (including Peter) have died, correct that misconception! John 21:20-23

Misconception is different from CHANGE / CONTRADICTION

Now, let's assume everything written by John in Revelation contradict those previous Apostles since he's the last person Jesus revealed things to.

Will you still trust in the infallibility of the Bible?

(3) Russell was a sincere Bible student who began the research with his team, he never claimed to be inspired that's why we continue to dig deeper to unravel more sacred secrets that Russell himself didn't discover in his own time.
But one thing is certain, it's the foundation his team laid down that has led to further discoveries, unlike other religious groups who thought their founders were inspired and remained in the teachings of such founders even after discovering the errors of their Church founders!

Imagine....I know your case is like that person moving from frying pan to fire! From lying Islam to lying JWs.

If I begin to show where RUSSELL and previous successors claim INSPIRATION for their works now, your tune will change

Anyways, I know you must lie to continue to defend your demonic organization.

For a start!

"Jehovah's witnesses admire the qualities he possessed as a man, but were we to give the honor and credit to Pastor Russell, we would be saying that the works and success were his; but Jehovah's witnesses believe it is God's spirit that guides and directs his people." Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Purpose (1959) p.63

Now you're here claiming they're not inspired when your deluded organization says they were inspired.

(4) Neither Russell nor his team said anything about being called by God! They were just Bible scholars till their death, Jesus later chose their group and started guiding them to make improvements!

At least you've confirmed that RUSSELL and his pagan team were not CALLED by God.

RUSSELL and his team were BIBLE SCHOLARS from which school? This your lying mouth has reached the same level with your father the Devil.

Kai....I'm just wondering the eyes Russell himself will use to look you from hell now.

Janosky:
Emusan you no get liver, go ahead and report.....

I'm just showing how stupid and nitwit you are.

So why didn't the mod you called banned me?

You cried to mod when you're stupidly spamming my mention which is also against NL rules yet thinking it should dance to your favour.

The same way you people will be condemning other people without looking at the log in your own eyes.


Hypocrite!!!

Maximus69:
(1) They made many mistakes, if you're not called to it you won't know!

Do their MISTAKES allowed them to died in wrong believe?

(2) All the Apostles have died before Jesus revealed what will happen to them for John!

Does what Jesus reveal through apostle John CONTRADICT what the rest of Apostles died with?

(3) Pagan means (unbeliever) note that a worshiper of Sango is also a believer but failed to know whom to believe! So they're all believers but not having accurate knowledge at that time, just as most of Jesus Apostle never had the accurate knowledge like John who got the revelation!

So what is the difference between Russell and his team your God couldn't correct and allowed to died as a pagan in worshipping Jesus along side of Jehovah and Trinitarian?

Why would Jehovah allow Russell to died in wrong believe, if he was the one who actually called him?

Maximus69:
All he wants to establish is that your so called Organization has flaws in the past so don't rely on whatever they teach you, accept all other religious ideologies as equal to yours.

Emusan ~ Forget the contradictions and flaws in our TRINITY since your group also had flaws in the past, we are your equals in faith!

You're not wise!

My point isn't whether your organization has flaws in the past the point:

Do you think if the Apostles have operated the way watchtower did, you can still trust their writings?

Do you think God can allow Russel and his team of pagan worshippers died without knowing the truth when He's the one who called Russell?

Why will God allow a pagan worshippers to be part of His heavenly one?

Janosky:
Knowledge is progressive , Proverbs 4:18, "the light must get brighter", ONLY FOOLS FAULT IT...
Luke 24:45-48, Jesus Christ opened up the minds of his Followers fully to grasp the meaning of the Scriptures".
Jesus Christ ADDED more Knowledge to what he had taught them before and corrected their misunderstandings of Scriptures. Luke 24:21-27.

Come & see Janosky hypocrite "identifying false religion"
Since he knew Luke 9:30-35 CONFIRMED his "John1:1,14, Jesus is God dwell in the flesh FRAUD, did Emusan ever admit his WAYO belief is a FRAUD ?

The light getting brighter NOT that the LIGHT KEEP4 CHANGING...

Besides, Prov 4:18 isn't a prophetic verse if you read with open mind.

Jesus Christ added MORE KNOWLEDGE not that they believe LIES

Whatever RUSSELL and his team of pagan worshippers died as a pagan. So they're the most deluded pagan worshippers.

Janosky:
Janosky PHAT LIAR.
I NEVER said that LIE you shamelessly typed up there..

If you are not a PHAT LIAR you would Never superimpose your FRAUDULENT comment and attribute that comment to Janosky.

See this clown....

I supposed to report you for spamming my mention but I didn't.

So you're now crying to mod for deliverance, your pain never starts.

Janosky:
PHAT LIAR..
Janosky Grand DELUSION! .

Your triune pagan deity came down to earth ,whereas Romans 8:3 and John3:16-17, God sent his son in the likeness of men to die for Man's redemption.
Triune pagan deity worshipper dey claim Almighty God wey HIM NO KNOW.

Triune pagan deity devotees get ZERO connection with Jehovah, the Father of Jesus Christ in heaven. Confirmento!

At least you didn't deny that your founder Charles Taze Russell and his team died as a pagan worshippers.

Janosky:
RUSSELL and his team Triune pagan deity devotees DECEIVING himself since 19gbidigbidi.
Jesus Christ dey live with him Father in heaven.

Revelations 14:1. Revelations 3:5,12, Jesus Christ in heaven Says he no KNOW YOU triune pagan devotees !

Revelations 3:5
Like them, the one who is victorious will be dressed in white. And I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels.

Revelation 14:1
Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion.... with his Father's name written on their foreheads"

Revelation 3:12

"Him that overcomes will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God"

So if God's word declares RUSSELL and his team of Pagan worshippers RIGHTEOUS, why are you giving yourself unnecessary headache? After all the same God's word will declare Trinitarian RIGHTEOUS.

So you're a product of Pagan worshippers.

Maximus69:
By their FRUIT you will IDENTIFY them! Matthew 7:16-18

By the same FRUIT we're IDENTIFYING your false religion

That's why the LIGHT IS GETTING BRIGHTER you know...

There is no need for bitter arguments my friend, Jehovah's Witnesses Organization stand as one family globally and we don't believe anyone outside our group can be saved.
If you believe that's not true it's OK, just continue preaching and teaching with zeal for your God.
The fact that we won't take you as true Christians doesn't mean we want to kill you, it simply means our God differs from yours that's all!

When even your deluded organization BOLDLY says "Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food." Watchtower 2017 Feb p.26

Yet living in delusions of most PERFECT people on earth.

Maximus69:
Thanks my good friend!

Well as i've said countless times before now, it's from Islam that i saw the bright light amongst Jehovah's Witnesses. Matthew 5:14-16

So i'm patiently waiting to see the same in the midst of Trinitarians! Matthew 7:16-18

God bless you!

Now he has deflected from the main issue!

The fact that Russell and his team died as a pagan worshippers proves that watchtower society has no connection with Almighty God.

And many Muslims have seen the light in midst of Trinitarian

Can you deny that?

Maximus69:
TRINITY died a natural death when the Bible students began a diligent study of God's word in the 1870s!

Don't forget that all the prophets before John the baptist worshiped Jehovah yet Jesus said none of them is qualified for God's Kingdom {Matthew 11:11} (talking about those who will rule with him in heaven)

So it's God's word that declared Russell and his team righteous NOT those joining the group now. The Bible said the path of the righteous will continue to get brighter and brighter {Proverbs 4:18} there were many religious groups that emerged during the late 19th and early 20th century.

But because Russell and his team were the Chosen group Jesus' words came to fulfillment in their case as those following them keep parting with man-made doctrines and traditions until they're able to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today! John 17:20-23

Of course it was because the tree was good and sown in good faith that's why it's yielding fine fruits today! Matthew 7:16-19

So if God's word declares RUSSELL and his team of Pagan worshippers RIGHTEOUS, why are you giving yourself unnecessary headache? After all the same God's word will declare Trinitarian RIGHTEOUS.

Janosky:
Your position about horama is correct , on this matter of Jesus transfiguration, no wahala.
Vision is NOT always reality, that fact is OBVIOUS.
My brothers will learn a thing or two therefrom.

So if my position is correct the question that begs for answer is....

How can ORDINARY HUMAN TRANSFIGURE?

However, you unwittingly brought out the ammunition to nail the coffin of your John 1:1,14 FRAUD, the DEMONIC doctrine popular in Christendom.

We now have another strong EVIDENCE that Trinitarian John 1:1,14 is HOGWASH !
LUKE 9:34-35 ..2Peter1:17,18 Yahweh said so.....

34 While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and covered them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. 35 A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.”

We now know that Luke 9:35 no dey Emusan Bible.

The Word is NOT God in the flesh.
John 5:37, God did not dwell in the flesh with man.
Luke 9:35. Romans8:3 , YAHWEH says Dump your John1:1,14 Trinitarian Delusion in the Trash can.


the TRUTH remains the TRUTH....


Shalom

Trinity a Demonic doctrine, yet Jehovah made RUSSELL, Rutherford and many of their early followers who believe in this same demonic doctrine to be part of heavenly one.

achorladey:
Your friend said he will DISAPPEAR and his response to my post shows that. No worry you dey free to console yourself

The two of them have been seeking for my attention since, my name is a torn in their flesh.

achorladey:
You know it's FUNNY when you sometimes SAY some should go and do more Sunday school LEARNING. Even if it is not SUNDAY school at least an OPPORTUNITY for them to take second,third look about what is SHOWN. To really see where the DISCUSSION is headed. But BOAST, ARROGANCE, applying LABELS and NAMES will not allow. Zeal to ACCUMULATE religious MEDALS and TROPHY is THEIR GOAL.

As captured in one of the POST above they are still not GRATEFUL enough that YOU bring to their NOTICE about how they are IN CLEAR CONTRADICTION with what the organization they are members of TEACH them. Were you a FELLOW JWs like they are, it will not be out of PLACE to call these ONES apostate like they do on any JWs not in SYNC with whatever they POST.

I believe the lesson was well passed only don't EXPECT GRATITUDE from them. The three post above this clearly TELL the STORY

You got it!

Look at the first commenter, he stylishly says my point 1-3 is CORRECT, no wahala.

He went back, to edit it to 1-3 MAYBE CORRECT but unfortunately for him, his fellow deluded brother has quoted the post which won't change.

Shame couldn't let him say boldly that I'm correct, their deluded brother is wrong.

Meanwhile, they are the same people who hide behind keyboard cheering their deluded brother about his lies of reality Vs vision.

There is much in pride, no wonder they took after their father the Devil.

achorladey:
Its just funny, funny because it took close to ten pages on this thread and see them say and repeat SAME thing. It discussion won't have got to this extent at all. Its a pity they do GO against the TEACHING of the ORGANIZATION and equally say they are TELLING the truth. Even the truth about the ORGANIZATION the way they defend it leave less to DESIRE.

Just notice, when they see this your post they'll shamefully hide their lying faces in the sand and pretend as if they didn't see it.

Four 4 points that article confirmed about my post are:

1. Horama is also reality.
2. The experience of Moses at the burning bush was REAL as cited by the article.
3. The account of Apostle Peter as an eyewitness was real not just mere illusion.
4. The same article said Apostle John must have alluded to that TRANSFIGURATION experience in John 1:14.

When you asked, what did John 1:14 say?

You can only read "And the WORD was made FLESH, and DWELT among us,..."

This is a clear point that Apostle Paul was actually right to have written "DIVINE NATURE DWELLS IN BODILY"

achorladey:
@ Emusan got something interesting you might REALLY want to look at. The image below CARRIES part of it. While the link attached CONVEYS the REST. This will be INTERESTING as it concerns your DISCUSSION on VISION......


https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004466

Some critics have endeavored to class the TRANSFIGURATION as SIMPLY a DREAM. However, Peter, James, and John would not LOGICALLY all have had EXACTLY the SAME DREAM. Jesus himself called what took place a “VISION” (Mt 17:9), but not a mere ILLUSION. Christ was actually there, though Moses and Elijah, who were dead, were not literally present. They were REPRESENTED in VISION. The Greek word used for “VISION” at Matthew 17:9 is HOʹRA·MA, also rendered “SIGHT.” (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME.​—Lu 9:32.

You know I said something the last time about Heb 1:10 that it's only their online e-warriors that do twist most things even though they derive the zeal from the same lying organization.

That's why I left them to their delusions because THE TRANSFIGURATION of Christ has never been viewed as mere vision.

The point I want him to get by himself without me pointing it out for him while I posted different meanings of Horama for him was "....also rendered “SIGHT" (Ac 7:31) It does not imply UNREALITY, as though the OBSERVERS were laboring under a DELUSION. Nor were they insensible to what occurred, for they WERE FULLY AWAKE when WITNESSING the TRANSFIGURATION. With their LITERAL EYES and EARS they actually SAW and HEARD what took PLACE at that TIME. —Lu 9:32.

You can even see that the same article agreed that Peter's eyewitness was a confirmation of the reality which he was fighting tooth and nail to dismiss.


But you can see how his lying mouth was exposed by his own demonic organization.

Very soon it's robot that'll be representing everyone on this planet.

You send your replica robot to stadium to watch match on your behalf.

You send your replica robot to market to shop for you

You send your replica robot to attend friends' wedding

You send your replica robot to work for you in the office

Nigerians will make it worst by sending their replica robot to go and greet Grandma and Grandpa in the village.

Where it'll even worst is when some people will even forget and still send their replica robot to make love their wives

Kobojunkie:
Actually, the book of Deuteronomy is one of the book of the laws, so, yes the details as regards tithing is spread across the 4 books(Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers), but not repeated. All that information comes together to form the whole -- the law on tithing.

So here is a task for you, find me evidence in the books of the law, or the entire bible that Contradicts what God says here in Deuteronomy 14(since you seem to think God contradicts Himself).

Now you're getting it, since you know it spreads across the four books now go back and read it slowly this time, so that you can see that God didn't contradict Himself nor Deu 14 is what Christianity applied.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, you mean I am not twisting God's truth(which is written there in plain words for all to see and know) to create the falsehood you are so used to instead?
Research? You mean if I am not quoting the bible directly does not work unless I am making it say exactly what your particular lie you are used to instead?

Then to you it's only Deuteronomy 14:22-28 is where Bible talk about Tithe....Oma se oooo!

At least try to do research on Tithe so that your dark knowledge can be enlightened.

Kobojunkie:
This is not from your bible?


See, God said nothing about giving it to your churches.

Which still proves that you don't have a single understanding of the subject matter.

Like I said, go and do your research on Tithe then come back here to talk!