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Barristter07:In your wildest imagination not the main point. The content of Heb 2:14 clearly shows that Christ sharing in humanity makes Him fully HUMAN whereas the content of 2Peter 1:4 not even you demonic translation shows that those Christians sharing FULL divine nature. So it's you deluded people who intentionally cling to SHARING MUST BE EQUAL FULLY Jesus partaking Human nature makes him FULLY HUMAN, this is the point needed. As for retaining his other nature, Its totally irrelevant to this discussion, I wonder what he emptied before partaking human nature which he became FULLYMakes HIM FULLY HUMAN according to the content of that verse, show us where the content of Christians sharing divine nature signifies FULLY DIVINE NATURE! From Christ is no longer human to Christ was never human . By Christ is no longer human, Do you mean Christ is no more an human being?It's not today I know you lack simple comprehension. MY Points are: 1. Christ was never a human being scripture already told us His nature which is GOD'S FORM 2. For death to be defeated, Christ partakes/share/become HUMAN because that's was the only way He can defeat Death. 3. Even though He shared/partook/became HUMAN, this doesn't make Him to loose His first FORM He existed in. 4. Using energy as analogy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be transformed from one FORM/NATURE to another FORM/NATURE Transforming energy from one state/form to another doesn't change the fact that it's still energy. That's my point! Back to your post.Firstly, you get yourself more confused by only concentrate on one part of my post and neglect the other part. Firstly, it's you and your deluded brother who EQUATE the sharing to be the same thing while my own point has been on the content of each verses. Secondly, You cherry pick the part that suit you in my post and then forcing your delusion on my statement. Lastly, since you're forcing your delusion on my statement, let's even assume I go with you, then do you agree with my second part of my statement that sharing in humanity by Christ still made Christ to retain His original NATURE? which then means those Christians too will still retain their HUMAN NATURE! Let me see how you want to go about it! |
Barristter07:In tiny brain Christians sharing in GODS NATURE proves that GODS NATURE wasn't their original nature but was added . and like Christ was FULLY HUMAN when given humanity nature, this Christians were FULLY GOD when GODS NATURE was given to them.The funny thing is how you people just cherry pick whatever you want, and this you people do not only to the scripture but to a post too. So do you then agree that this Christians still retain their HUMAN NATURE since you want to force your statement on my own? because after cherry pick the part that suit you in my post you neglected the other part! |
Jozzy4:Since your brain capacity is too low to grab my point, what do you expect? FULLY HUMAN and still RETAIN His nature... Since you and your deluded brother didn't know what to say again you have to cling to ONLY FULLY HUMAN.... So Christ is no longer human ?Christ was never a human but ONLY SHARE IN HUMANITY to achieve a purpose which Heb 2:14 emphasized on "Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. Heb 2:14 NLT I know your tiny brain won't still grab it, when you don't even know different between simple Past Tense and Present Perfect Tense. |
Barristter07:I can see your ignorance here and the tactics you people are using to deviate from the main point. But as usual I won't allow that to happen because that's how you people behave. Christ sharing in humanity simply proves that THE FORM HUMAN WASN'T His original form but what He suddenly added. So your point holds no water here! As I even quoted your own translation ""who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human" Phil 2:6-7 NWT The point is very clear but only a liar and deluded person will give it another interpretation. |
Jozzy4:It makes Him fully human while HIS ORIGINAL FORM OR NATURE DIDN'T change because you're trying to remove that from my statement. SHARING/PARTAKING doesn't change the existing form but to have PART which is the point both Heb 2:14 & 2peter 1 are making. Only God can cure your delusions! |
Jozzy4:Then it means John the Baptist was already possessed then in heaven.... Is Isaiah 42 a prophetic statement or not? Jesus was equal to humans by virtue of his sharing , Do you accept this Christians too are EQUAL to God by their sharing?Jesus existed as GOD from beginning, that is His form! Share in humanity can mean like adding something which doesn't change the existing one. " Jesus was FULLY HUMAN on earth because HE SHARES in humanity " EmusanWhen I said Jesus was fully human on earth, did you know I said His original nature doesn't change? because you neglected that part. Sharing in God's nature doesn't make you FULLY GOD that's why Christ can't be said to be Human forever but Christ existed in form of God from beginning. |
Jozzy4:The point is the form that Christ existed from beginning didn't change when he shared in humanity. The statement "What matters is once someone share in something, they became FULLY part of it." was yours not mine! Your own is to prove to us that, that verse says THEY BECOME FULLY DIVINE NATURE Jesus became Fully human when he shared in humanity, Do you agree this Christians are also FULLY GOD for sharing GODS NATURE ?He became fully human while His original nature doesn't change which means the human nature was just like something borrowed I've said this before. In the case of the Christians now where you'll see that they become FULLY God for sharing God's nature which I even said that's not what the verse was saying in the first place! |
Jozzy4:So My Servant was the only statement that chapter Olodo.... Isaiah 42 is a prophetic statement and the fact that Present Perfect Tense was used which I've explained earlier proves you wrong. So if you apply that it means those Christians didn't change their human nature yet are fully Of GODS NATURE ?You keep exposing your ignorance! Whi says they are FULL OF GOD'S NATURE But Share in the case of Jesus means FORM he exist ?Where did I say "share in the case of Jesus means FORM he exists?" |
Jozzy4:This is the point you still failed to grab! -He was not human from the beginning. -When He shared humanity it didn't stop being God, He's nature of God remains what it is. |
Jozzy4:Isaiah 42 is a prophetic verse which means foreseeing what will happen in the future. Even the same thing happened in Malachi Does that mean John the Baptist has started existing with God that time? Olodo Coming from someone who believe Jesus can co- exist with man nature and God natureOlodo! Didn't that prove to you that Christ as God didn't change His nature which is my point here! Who is lying you or the bible ? It says clearly that they share Gods nature. So did scripture lied or what are you trying to prove?SHARE doesn't mean that is the FORM they exist. |
Barristter07:Share divine nature doesn't mean they change from being human because that's not what the verse is all about |
Barristter07:May statement is that you share a form doesn't mean you exist in that FORM.... We exist as HUMAN that's is our FORM. Jesus was FULLY HUMAN on earth because HE SHARES in humanity not that HE WAS HUMAN FROM BEGINNING. |
Barristter07:I'm so happy that you brought up this verse This particular verse should open your eyes but I know it won't. "He too shares in their HUMANITY" this can simply mean something you borrow and not FULLY YOURS....HE DIDN'T EXIST AS HUMAN BEFORE! So to your question, Christ wasn't existed as human because he is not human in the first place and Phil 2 has told us the form He exists so He ONLY SHARES IN HUMANITY. |
Jozzy4:Despite the fact I explained that statement when you ignorantly claimed it was Past Tense, you can still spew this thrash...Truly there's is a pride in ignorance. When it was shared with them, In what Nature do they exist?They are still human! Their Nature didn't change unless you can proof further that, that's what the verse say. Which Nature was shared with them ?They are still human their Nature didn't change! |
Jozzy4:The problem you're having is big, many translations reference Isa 42:1 with Phil 2:7 Why? Simply because it was that time when Christ became man that Isa 42 was fulfilled. Just like I said if ordinary primary school English is difficult for you, how can you even understand scripture? Nope, partakers of what ? I ask paratakers of what ? DIVINE NATURE. GODS FORM, are they equal to God ?They are PARTAKERS/SHARE, they don't exist in that FORM But Christ exists in God's form which only God existed. Emphasis on NATURE and FORM ... Points to appearance , agreed ?Let me quote your own translation of Phil 2 so that it can cure your ignorance! "who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human" Even your own translation says "WAS EXISTING in God's FORM" and went further to say "but emptied himself and took a SLAVE'S FORM" Which shows the state He was and the state He is now. So clearly then those sharing the GODS NATURE are ALL EQUAL TO GOD , accepted ? Am loving thisSHARE isn't EXISTING in that FORM I even forgot you lack understand of basic English. |
Jozzy4:Me a joke, coming from someone who can't distinguish between Simple Past Tense and Present Perfect Tense. So when was He chosen? If the two statements can't be true. Are human who possess divine nature EQUAL TO GOD?The verse says "...ye might be PARTAKERS of the divine nature" this is different from being in FORM of God. Thank God it says " NATURE of " Nature refer to a certain form or APPEARANCE. Get schooled. The verse explains it further saying " being in the likeness of men" this is the nature it was reffering.The problem you have is that, you don't even understand yourself. Phil 2 was about the NATURE/FORM He existed before and the NATURE/FORM he now exists. Which means He never EXISTED AS SERVANT but ONLY exists as a SERVANT when he became human. Like I said, you're still perambulating. He existed in FORM/NATURE of God from beginning NOT AS A SERVANT, He only exists as FORM/NATURE of a servant when He became human. But to your question! ONLY GOD CAN HAVE THE NATURE OF GOD Having God's nature means you're God just as having human nature means you're a human! |
Firstly, do you agree you misinterpreted Isaiah 42:1? Jozzy4:This is where you got it wrong! NOTICE this your statement "...having Divine nature means someone can't be a servant" It's obvious that you tune has changed! The center point is, what He is before and after. He was in FORM of God before taken upon the FORM OF A SERVANT. So the two statements can't be true! Form means Nature in this context, we both agree , am focusing on the highlighted because it is what will expose your incompetency.Instead you should be worried about your ignorance. Now let's substitute NATURE into Phil 2:7 and see how it exposes your ignorance. "....and took upon him, the NATURE of a servant" This simply means, he wasn't a servant before this time but at this time he possessed the NATURE of SERVANT Humans are said to be sharers of this same NATURE OF GOD, Does that mean they are not his servant or are now equal to God ?You're digressing from the main point! The point isn't whether Jesus shares divine nature but ONLY BECAME SERVANT at certain time. |
Jozzy4:My point is centered on the @color part! If at this your age you can't be able to distinguish the SIMPLE PART OF SPEECH in a statement, then your education is useless and speaks volumes of your Bible interpretation. What you called PAST TENSE for your selfish interest in that verse is simply called PRESENT PERFECT TENSE which means that the action started in the past and has continued until now with LENGTH OF TIME! So if Isaiah says "My Servant whom I have CHOSEN" it means the ACTION which is 'CHOSEN' has been achieved many years ago. Now, since Isaiah is a prophetic statement it means He has been chosen times ago as a servant that's why Apostle Paul said "He took on a form of servant" just as scripture also mentioned that Jesus was a lamb SLAIN FROM FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, which doesn't means He was killed at that time but a task to be achieved but CHOSEN/DECIDED many years ago. If Jesus has already been a servant then, Apostle Paul would have been wrong to say "He took upon him the FORM of a servant" In fact, the whole Phil 2:6-7 proves you wrong that Jesus has always been a servant because it was written plainly the FORM He existed before (GOD) and the FORM He became later (HUMAN) as servant! The reason I had to correct your ignorance is because you keep repeating that lie of PAST TENSE which means if you can have problem with simple primary school English then your level of Bible interpretation needs to be questioned. Thou very obvious all over your post! |
Janosky:Where is the twist in your statement Janosky Original Statement:The fact is, you know that Paul and Peter attached the Title to themselves but your problem is nobody else addressed them like that. 1. This proves that you're a kangaroo that jumps anyhow because your deluded brother first claim was "Can you quote where the Bible mentioned anyone like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Prophet Daniel? What you will see is an Apostle or Prophet referred to as "Apostle of Christ or Prophet/Man of God" Which you even like and share the post! Now, it's evident that both of you are lying liar and don't know your Bible. 2. That NOBODY ELSE addressed them as such is baseless in this regard and contradictory to this your statement "Other people in the Scriptures called them "Prophet". That's the point I am making" **ANOTHER FACT:So just because you met one person that acted that way means that's how all of them behave. This speaks volumes of your dishonesty. By the way, the point here is, did Bible ascribe Title to people name or not? Which is Yes! as you agree above an below statements. 2).Actually, I didn't know the essence of this statement because I never referenced Jer 23:9 and I don't know the reason for using it by you. The Bible references I cited Isaiah ascribed the Title of Prophet to himself likewise Jeremiah so stop lying against the scripture. Other people in the Scriptures called them "Prophet". That's the point I am making.This is where we're going! Now, what do you have to say about this your deluded brother challenge? "Can you quote where the Bible mentioned anyone like Apostle Paul, Apostle Peter or Prophet Daniel? What you will see is an Apostle or Prophet referred to as "Apostle of Christ or Prophet/Man of God" |
Maximus69:Delusion JWs.... If your lies and falsehood are busted, you stylishly come with a cover up just to divert attention from the main point. Your cheap tactics won't work here... The main point is, did Bible ascribe Title to peoples' name? We can see from the scripture that the answer to that question is capital YES! Which you lied in the first place that it didn't. |
Maximus69:Illiteracy is worrying you..... And finding a way dodge my question. If I introduce myself as "Emusan an Engineer of Almadu Bello University" Did I ascribe the Title Engineer to myself or the University? Paul and Peter introduced themselves as "Paul an Apostle of Christ and Peter an Apostle of Chriat" Was the Title attached to Paul and Peter or CHRIST? Or can you post where any of JWs publication addresses any of the past president of the Watchtower asIf they don't, that's their Own Cup of tea even thou it was written on Wikipedia as PASTOR RUSSELL but the truth is Bible ascribed Title to people's name. What Jesus said is clear, "none of my own followers should address himself with a religious title" Matthew 23:7-9Lying against Christ again... The verse was about MASTER, is Master and Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist e.t.c the same? Even Devil your father will be so disappointed about your ignorance. So you can continue deceiving yourself!Why you'll continue to wallow in your delusions, ignorance, lying and illiteracy. |
Janosky:This was your lie which I busted "Aside that, NONE of them affixed "Apostle Paul" or "Apostle Peter" to their names elsewhere in your Bible.. After this you're now grasping for air to breath.... Your balloon of lies has been punched with a tiny needle. The truth from the scripture is that both Paul and Peter ascribed the Title "APOSTLE" to themselves. These are the list where Bible ascribed Title to people names even including Christ Himself. 1. Jeremiah 23:9 Jeremiah himself. 2. Luke 4:17, Luke 4:27 where Christ ascribed the Title Prophet to Isaiah 3. 2 Chronicles 32:32 the Title Prophet was ascribed to Isaiah 4. 2 Chronicles 36:12 the Title Prophet was ascribed to Jeremiah 5. Ezra 6:14 the Title Prophet was ascribed to Haggai And many more so your lies can't hold anymore. |
Janosky:Despite the fact that I added four pictures which show where Paul and Peter attached the Title Apostle to their names you can still spew this thrash! If I introduced my self as "Emusan an Engineer of Almadu Bello University" Did I attached the Title Engineer to myself or to that University? The scripture always introduces the prophets of Old as Prophet Elijah, by Isaiah the Prophet, by Jeremiah the Prophet e.t.c which is evident that Bible actually attached this Title to their names! Yet you clown still twisting the scripture. The point is noted.So Russell and those his successors aren't true Christians because they attached the Title "PRESIDENT" to their names. I said it, JWs and hypocrisy are conjoined twins. In other to pull others down you won't know the time you'll pull yourself down! |
Maximus69:The main issue is even if undeniable facts are staring you face to face, you will turn blind eyes to to them and still wallow in your delusions. The most astonished part is how someone who claimed to be a follower of Christ and upholding the Word of God can still boldly lie against the same Word without fear. Paul and Peter attached APOSTLE to their names and even the Old Testament prophets aren't left behind. But your problem is that you're too delusional and brainwashed by watchtower that you can't see truth from the Scripture itself.
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Maximus69:Imagine, a delusional baby JW advising an old delusional JW of the same feather.... So Jesus gave some people Title The early Christians even addes Apostles to their names, so they ignored Jesus counsel too bah |
Janosky:So you agree Governing Body is a Title..... You don't even understand the point being discussed yet you jumped in like kangaroo.... |
achorladey:That's what delusion can cause! You can see how to justify the use of Governing Body something that can't even be found in the scripture but can quickly condemn the Title Pastor I believe if his type was around at the time of the Apostles, he will condemn them for attaching the Title Apostle to their names! |
Maximus69:Delusions! Arguing arguing and arguing against pure worship, you'll finds yourself opposing just one single form of worship when you can't stand up for any, so it will be as if you approve all forms of worship except one! Matthew 10:22; Act 24:5-6That's why I'll keep saying it that you're a hypocrite, grade A one.... I've shown you that you're the very type that should be called ARGUMENTATIVE which you even concor. Here again claiming someone is arguing... When it's evident that you're the delusional argumentative person on Nairaland. |
Maximus69:No! I didn't because your claim has no scriptural support. Rather you truly belong to ONLY ORGANIZATION of your God. Which is exactly what Watchtower Society is not a True followers of Christ. Well you've said it all.Then this support my claim that you're the very ARGUMENTATIVE PERSON, so why are you passing your delusions to other? So it was Religion Section of Nairaland that Christ commanded you to go....delusional JWs! Meditate on this and try to figure out the difference between the spirit you find in me with the one you're expecting to find in a TRUE Christian!The spirit in True Christians doesn't lie or make false accusations like you commonly exhibit here even that everybody you debate with on Nairaland can quickly pick from you. |
Maximus69:But you have problem with some people Hypocrite! Is there different or the same explanation you gave to the word PASTOR didn't apply to JWs also? That's why you people will continue to lead when it comes to award for the best Hypocrisy! You can see mote in some else eyes but you cant see the very one in your own eyes. Hypocrite! If i say Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only organization of our own God, you will say that's what others are saying, but you will never rest seeing the post of Jehovah's Witnesses only!Since you've been parading here on Nairaland claiming JW is the only ORGANIZATION of your God, has that one make you stop jumping from thread to thread restlessly and being tormented even in your dream? Of course JW is the ONLY ORGANIZATION of your God because no organization in the scripture but True Followers of Christ. ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan suffering from antijw virus!Only if you know that this best described you but will it? No! Because you derive joy in your ignorance and delusion. You join Nairaland not up to 2 years but your POST on Nairaland are already over 6,000 POSTS why me who joined Nairaland more than 7years haven't made up to 5,000posts. Then a reasonable person will ask, who is more argumentative? And guess what, more than 95% of your post is on religion section because you're a restless soul being tormented by the lies of your demonic organization. |
Maximus69:The @color part is enough for open-minded people to see the level of your hypocrisy! But unfortunately just the way many Christians holds their pastors as god just exactly the same way JWs place GB as god! |
Maximus69:The question is: Did your GB claim to be the spiritual head or not? You have problem with the Title Pastor, why don't you have problem with the Title Governing Body? Hypocrite! |
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