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desiredhome:
God is Love, you must Love God by knowing God and keeping His Commandments.......

By doing Good (righteousness)

Then you're God to have known those 60% do not love You and are not righteous.

desiredhome:
I have told you before..... Christianity is LOVE (the greatest commandment),......which is far away from your churches of today especially the Penticostal.....

Christianity is LOVE, how many do you love yourself?

And you're God to have known that!

desiredhome:
Do not tackle issues with sentiments/emotions...
We talk base on facts before us, don't pretend to not understand the comment unless you just want to be Petty......

Who is more emotional here?

You talk with fact but you haven't gave us where you got your 60% from, is that your fact?

Is that how Christ taught you?

Hypocrite everywhere....

As if you have the same LOVE OF CHRIST in you 100%

desiredhome:
By their fruits you shall know them....

So you mean you actually relate with the 60% of the crowd to have known the fruit all of them have..

the main aim of Christ teaching/Christianity is LOVE... where is the LOVE among you brethren of today?

How many people did you yourself love?

So you always see them fighting each other whenever they gather or how do you know there's no love among them?

What we have today is completely opposite the teaching of Christ.....

Then you're God to have known that!

And it's only you who is doing exactly what Christ wants bah

desiredhome:
Yes I know God... because I do and keep to His principles/commandments

So when did you become God to have known that 60% of congregations don't do and keep to His principles/commandments?

desiredhome:
Still cannot understand, how we have replaced True SOUl winning with winning MEMBERS........

They believe when they have crowd they are winning souls even when over 60% of that crowd don't know God.......

Do you know God yourself?

Major001:
THE ORIGIN OF JESUS CHRIST

While it is true that He is the Son of God, it is however not true that He was created by God. Not being created by God makes Him equal to God. I’d explain this better as I write. But, first, let me answer the burning question: how – and from where – did Christ originate? I firmly believe that Scripture is undoubtedly clear on this.

The Scriptures, in JOHN 16:27, says, “For the Father Himself loveth you because ye have loved me, and believed that I CAME OUT FROM GOD.” That is it. He CAME OUT FROM GOD. This is a very deep spiritual mystery.

Jesus Christ CAME directly OUT of God. This revelation points to the fact that He, unlike the angels and other Host of Heaven, was not created by God.

Christ is indeed the Word – the Spoken Word – of God. He came alive and became a Living Soul. He was (and is) God – JOHN 1:1

Regardless of the actual origin of Jesus Christ, the real question is: Have you made Him your Saviour and Lord? If you haven’t…right now is another opportunity for you to do so.

Claiming to know Christ origin is to claim you're YAHWEH.

The knowledge we have about God is the same knowledge we can have about Christ.

The scripture affirms that Jesus is God, the Son of God, a Prophet, Son of man, Saviour and many more. That's what He wants us to know about Himself.

So anybody can decide what to call Him but the end of it all is that "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name" John 20:31 KJV

achorladey:
Maximus69 @ 11:40am.....

The true Christians don't go on protests, because we only live where we're able to preach and teach what we know peacefully. So if any society isn't safe for us to carry on what matters most to us, we flee (run away) from such a place.

The association you're calling upon aren't Christians but political religionsists dealing with politicians!

Read your Bible and see if Christians do protests or flee in the face of persecution!

Maximus69 @ 12:13 pm

Enjoy what?
Do you know you're discussing with a Christian?
Perhaps you don't understand what Christ means, it simply means the one and only person who knows how you can get real benefits in life (enjoy)
So what exactly do you think?
Is there any enjoyment in what Jesus (my Lord) asked me to run away from?


Maximus69 @ 1:57 pm

Something like that Sir, i just like doing things in accordance with his orders, but as you've rightly said, you know better about Christianity than i do!


Achorladey: That's what JUDGEMENTAL MENTALITY do to someone thinking everything REVOLVES around YOUR BRAND of IDEOLOGY and THEOLOGY.

The same mouth was chest beating about what TRUE CHRISTIAN means and what carrying TORTURE stake meant in three hours time it became something like that, you know better. Smh

That's why you will see the reason I always called them hypocrite!

I do go from Zaria or Abuja to Jos and there's no how you'll get to Jos from any of the two that you won't pass through Southern Kaduna.

Yet if you go to Southern Kaduna you'll still see the sign post of Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's witness.

Then you can ask, what is their Hall still doing in such place if they actually abide with the same commandment of Jesus Christ "To flee"?

I've raised this issue with him sometimes ago, that's why you will see him telling people that "I stay in the Northern part of the country and ready to fight for Jesus" even though I never said we Christians in the Northern Nigeria fight for Christ nor any report ever says Northern Christians retaliate to fight for Christ but stay back encourage the native people and support them.

But Jehovah witness will abandon them to their fate and run, when peace return to that place they will come back and started claiming what the True Christians did by standing with them are all false that they're the only one with the Truth. Whereas these are the cowards who ran away in the first place.

The truth is, they always ready to condemn others denominations for what they are doing just to continue cling to that self acclaimed of WE'RE THE ONLY TRUE WORSHIPERS OF JEHOVAH.

DappaD:
You're actually making a big deal out of nothing.

That should be your trademark since you lack simple comprehension.

Emusan Emusan Emusan
Shey I called you three times. Did the sky fall?]/quote]

Where did I say if you call me, the sky will fall?

You can see how you keep exposing your ignorance.

I simply told you stop spamming my mention which is just unreasonable thing to do since you can just quote my post and make your point without repeatedly write my moniker that shows you're just a nuisance cyberspace.

[quote]Emusan I beg you answer my questions and stop showcasing your ignorance on this thread!

Your lack of simple comprehension and intelligent have been exposed here, which leads to this long talk when you were simply asked to choose one option but as a robot that your organization has made you to become, you started typing jargons when no one asked you that.

So simply choose your option and stop showcasing your deluded mind.

cornelboy:
No, I was asking cos of her believe about soul

So it's only righteous people SPIRITS that go to God according to Ecclesiastes 12:7, right?

Or what is your position?

DappaD:
Oga Emusan all these your childish ranting is unwarranted.

It's a child who keeps shouting his/her elder's name now and there....

Like I said, stop spamming my mention! You don't need to repeat my moniker everytime before you pass your message across.

So you call what you asked me ‘jargons’ Very good
But you did ask me some questions, see them below.

And intelligent person should simply understand my point up there!

You asked me a total of 5 BOLD QUESTIONS of which I gave answers to ALL.

Since you lack simple comprehension and not that intelligent!

I only want to know where you GOT your ACTUAL TRUTH from first by listing FIVE OPTIONS you can choose from since you claim you have the ACTUAL TRUTH.

Now I asked you to explain something instead you're telling me trash. Remember you were the one who mentioned me first on this thread. So please don't mention me again unless you're unfortunate.

Your frustration and anger have never started, you'll soon cry!

cornelboy:
you have no point here. I mean does a wicked man's soul goes to God

Didn't you proof that wicked man's spirit/breath of life goes to God by supporting Eccl 12:7?

But this is the fact!

According to Ecclesiastes 12:7 man's spirit goes to God whether righteous or wicked but it's God who'll determine where sure spirit will spend the eternity.

Jesus and His apostles confirmed that God will send the wicked to eternal fire while the righteous to everlasting life.

For the last time, stop spamming my mention, you don't need to repeat my moniker many times before you pass your message across by doing so, it shows you're looking for a way to chicken out.

DappaD:
Emusan you are looking for my trouble o

So you have trouble in the first place

Emusan : From your own understanding?

DappaD : Only an unwise person would rely on his own understanding. (Proverbs 3:5, 28:26)
Understanding and interpretation of scriptures come from Jehovah alone. (Genesis 40:8, 2Peter 1:20,21)

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Emusan : From comparing scripture with scripture?

DappaD : Ah yes, the ol' reliable. That's how to get the true meaning/understanding of the scriptures coupled with God's holy spirit.

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Emusan : Through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost ?

DappaD : True Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) do not believe in a mythical “Holy Ghost” as being part of a mythical godhead, sorry doghead . Rather, we believe God's holy spirit to be the impersonal active force which God uses to accomplish his will — such as creating the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:3, Psalm 33:6) and inspiring faithful men of old to write the Bible. (2Peter 1:20,21)

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Emusan : From Scholarly understanding of both Hebrew and Greek Text?

DappaD : Jehovah's Witnesses always engage in an in-depth study of God's word. So that the scriptures can help interprete the meaning of other scriptures.

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Emusan : From what your own organization only says?

DappaD : The “faithful and discreet slave” who make up the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are our fellow brothers who have been assigned by Jesus to provide spiritual food to his domestics(that is, we Jehovah's Witnesses) (Matthew 24:45)
So we are going to take in that spiritual food because Jesus who is the head of the organization has assigned them to do so. (1Corinthians 11:3)
In order that there may be unity and oneness of mind in the only organization of true Christians. (1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2)

Nobody asked you all these jargons

Just tell us from what I listed above how you GOT your ACTUAL TRUTH first.

Very simple thing to do but as usual always behaving like a robot, you must spew thrashes to deviate from the main point.

DappaD:
Emusan spare me all your hogwash and answer this these questions.

Firstly, stop spamming my mention! You can express yourself in one post instead of quoting me repeatedly.

Secondly, you called it hogwash but I need to know where you GOT YOUR ACTUAL TRUTH FROM.

Lastly, your questions will be addressed if you just state your position first.

DappaD:
Young man, are you going to answer my questions or not? Why are you shifting goalposts ?

Old man, I think my questions are still within the frame of your question.

DappaD:
True worshipers of God(Jehovah's Witnesses) treat the Bible as one whole composite book that gives one message which is inspired of God(2Timothy 3:16)
The Bible does not contradict itself in anyway. What you and all your Christendom folks lack is in-depth study of God's word and the context of matters. So while you rely on what your “Holy Ghost” has told you, True Christians will study God's word and take what the Bible says is the truth!

Was this the question you said you people have been asking since?

because I don't see the correlation of this with my post!

DappaD:
This is what I want to hear from you.

Kindly EXPLAIN in full detail what your “Holy Ghost” has explained Matthew 10:28 and 1Thessalonians 5:23 to mean. And then I'll explain to you the actual truth!
C'mon let's see what you got

Let's start by you telling us who REVEALED/TAUGHT/GOTTEN your ACTUAL TRUTH from.

-From your own understanding?
-From comparing scripture with scripture?
-Through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost?
-From Scholarly understanding of both Hebrew and Greek Text?
-From what your own organization only says?

DappaD:
I beg you Emusan, don't come here with these your silly false accusations and address the question that me and others have been asking on this thread

We've not reached anywhere he has started shouting.


I can't find any question of you people here maybe you can ask again....

DappaD:
Really? So can you please explain Genesis 2:7 & Ecclesiastes 12:7 to everyone on this thread?

It had been established on this thread that the Hebrew word translated as SOUL has different meaning and I'm sure no one can deny that.

Firstly, Gen 2:7 used one of the meaning of that word.

Just like the Hebrew word translated as EARTH

Secondly, Ecclesiastes 12:7 established that SOMETHING FROM HUMAN will return to God after death which nullified the lie that NOTHING survives human after death.

Lastly, different verses from the Greek New Testament separate the Body from Soul and Spirit.

DappaD:
shadeyinka attempted to make it seem like all those three are different aspects of a human being that can stand on their own. But Genesis 2:7 begs to differ

And the fact is, those are three aspects of human being that can stand on their own that's why scripture do distinguish them.

No wonder you people only use Hebrew Text but not considering how the Greek word was used in the Bible.

DappaD:
shadeyinka :1 Thessalonians 5:23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ”

DappaD : In Paul's letter to the Christians in Thessalonica, when addressing the brothers — he was talking about the entire Christian congregation. So he prayed for the preservation of the “spirit,” or mental disposition of the congregation. He also prayed for its “soul,” its life, or existence, and for its “body”​—the entire body of anointed Christians. See 1Corinthians 12:12,13 for explanation about this “body”


shadeyinka : Let me play along with you:
At death, the spirit goes to God and the body goes to the earth/ground: where does the soul go to?

DappaD : Genesis 2:7

And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life , and the man became a living person[soul]

The equation goes like this:
Dust + Breath of life = Living soul

The dust and breath of life on their own can't make a human being, only when the two go together. So when a person dies, the dust goes to the ground and the breath of life goes back to God because he is the one who gave it (Ecclesiastes 12:7)

You strike out her first statement, why?

Does human not have Spirit, Soul and Body according to the scripture?

Does Soul not distingsh from Body many times in the scripture?

cornelboy:
I understand you now.
It means you agree that, the word soul used here, "kill the body and soul" is a synonym for life or breath of life or spirit. While the soul used at Ezekiel 18:20 and Gen. 2:7 means "being" or one's whole self

Generally, soul which is nephesh in Hebrew means a "being or creature".

For you to KILL something, it means what you KILLED has life or conscious of his/her/itself because absent of life means death.

Then as you're insinuating since that the soul/breath of life returned to God after the body is dead.

Then can we conclude that the soul/breath of life is conscious of itself that's why God can kill it at resurrection according to you?

because I don't know how God will kill what doesn't have life!

Leokinghenry12:
Have you ever checked the meaning of the word atheist?. Many people believe atheist are people who do not believe in christ or they are the anti-christ. That's very wrong.
Do you believe in other gods? If No. Then u are an atheist.

And this is coming from someone who always claims he has higher IQ than the Theists.

See how he's exposing his lack of basic knowledge.

Maximus69:
ARGUMENTATIVE Emusan!

JWs detests that word (torture) because it reminds us of your god that will torture his children for not worshiping him!

So in what way do you think JWs will justifiably use torture to correct our own children when we're struggling to depict the qualities of our own God?

That's where you failed woefully Sir!

Says the deluded JWs whom TORTURED STAKE full his demonic translation. Which makes it the most organization that uses the word TORTURE most.

But your god killed his first created son by tortured him on a stake.

Always justified the reason of calling him hypocrite and deluded JWs.

You'll see how the deluded will change tune and begin to beat about the bush now!

Maximus69:
You are young but not too young to stand for what you know is right.

Many young children we tortured because they wanted to worship JEHOVAH, i know two little children (Isaiah 13 and Miracle 9) in my neighbourhood whose parents beats them everyday because they refused to go to church after attending meetings of JWs for the first time.

And I know many JWs parents whom through disfellowsip tortured their children because they refused to go to the meeting again.

remsonik:
Mohammed was born 570 years after the death of christ

It shows you didn't understand the OP

The point is, the cross shows Christianity entered Pakistan before Islam.

Do you get it now?

Mathscum:
It only proves that cross was used for idol worship period

Which idol they used to worship with Cross in Pakistan about 1,200 years ago?

Mariaodiba:
The first was the response on why divorce is unacceptable as a Christian not a directive that a man should have only one wife.

I've settled this before!

The second refers to elders....Are we all elders?? Or are we all going to be elders??

The only reason to me is to avoid the challenges that Apst. Paul outlined for leaders on marriage.

This was my reply to that which you raised again!

This isn't about qualification for a selected position but what are expected from ALL BELIEVERS

Are believers expected to be:

1. Blameless?
2. Not having faithful children?
3. Very selfwilled?
4. Quick to get angry?
5. Given to much wine?
6. Be striker?
7. Given to filthy lucre?

Are these only meant for elders and not ALL BELIEVERS?

These are what mentioned in that verse, so if believers are not to engage in any of these, why do you think HAVING ONE WIFE isn't applied to them?

Kobojunkie:
I hope you understand why I find it very hard to believe that you in fact read this...

You don't need to believe understanding of that chapter will proof it.

... and came away believing that what God wants is for you to discipline your body, thay which he clearly made known, in verse 5 (not included), essentially means nothing?

The funny thing is, you're the one who have been shouting since that read the whole chapter but only for you to start the quote from verse 6, why?

Bcoz you know it'll expose your lies and lack of scriptural understanding of the whole issue.

Let me quote it from a relevant place with emphasis for better understanding.

3 They say, ‘Why have we gone without food, and You do not see it? Why have we put away our pride, and You do not know it?’ See, on the day you do not eat, you do what you want to do, and make it hard for all your workers.

Here God made it clear that on the day they didn't eat (fasting):

1. They do what they want to do (some translations used "pleasure" which means they satisfy their bodies with anything they feel the body wants. Of course we already know what they satisfied their body with isn't food since fasting is already knows as not eating.

So what are the things they satisfy their body with?

Se.xual pleasure will be part of it even though it wasn't clearly stated but looking at the way some translations rendered that particular verse we can come to that conclusion.

2. They oppressed their workers...instead of doing good works or works if righteousness.

This is the actual fasting God wants!

 [colur=blue]4 See, while you go without food you argue and fight and hit with a sinful hand. Going without food as you do today will not help your voice to be heard on high.[/color]

This is also not what God wants

 5 Is it a time without eating like this that I choose, a day for a man to put away his pride? Is it for bowing his head like a piece of grass, and to spread ashes and cloth made from hair for his bed? Will you call this time without eating a day that pleases the Lord?

Likewise here this isn't the type of fasting God wants.


6 Is not the time without eating which I choose, a time to take off the chains of sin, and to take the heavy load of sin off the neck? Is it not a time to let those who suffer under a sinful power go free, and to break every load from their neck?

This is where we're going!
Like I said earlier, to fast simply means to deprive oneself of food.

So what does God want during this period?
This verse analyses the key points:

1. A time to take off the chains of SIN and to take the heavy load of sin off the neck (some translations used "to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the bands of the yoke...")

2. is it not a time to let those who suffer under a sinful power go free (some translations "and to let the oppressed go free,...")

3. and to break every load from their neck (some translations used "and that ye break every yoke?)

All these aren't about good works or works of righteousness as you earlier implied but pulling down the stronghold of the wickedness just as Christ said to His followers when they couldn't cast out demon.

"This goest out not without Prayer and Fasting"

And this is the same point God reinforced in the first part of that verse 3 that "if they didn't give their body into much pleasure, they should be able to pull down stronghold of the wicked" which is the same point Apostle Paul said a couple can deprive themselves of Se.xual pleasure for in other to achieve.

 7 Is it not a time to share your food with the hungry, and bring the poor man into your house who has no home of his own? Is it not a time to give clothes to the person you see who has no clothes, and a time not to hide yourself from your own family?

This is the particular verse you focus on while you neglected the other one which is about doing good works. In fact, some scholars put the first line this way "That the food they deprived themselves that day should be shared to the hungry and needy"

So as you can see, Isaiah 58 didn't support your assertion

Kobojunkie:
so you read up to verse 5 and you conclude still that God wants a day for you to starve yourself in the name of disciplining your body?
Ok!

I've pointed it out earlier that even verse 6-7 you quoted were well in support of Apostle Paul statement.

I'm still waiting for you to list ALL THOSE THINGS God wants us to do during fasting from the said Isaiah 58 and let's compare it with what Apostle Paul said.

Kobojunkie:
read the entire chapter to understand what God is in fact saying

I've done that many times not even started today and what the chapter says is that during fasting our body must be disciplined.

LordReed:
So if Buhari says I want to choose a minister, if any man has a PhD in Business Administration I will choose him, he is asking everybody to go and get a PhD? Or is he listing the qualifications for the post?

This isn't about qualification for a selected position but what are expected from ALL BELIEVERS

Are believers to be:
1. Blameless?
2. Not having faithful children?
3. Very selfwilled?
4. Quick to get angry?
5. Given to much wine?
6. Be striker?
7. Given to filthy lucre?

These are what mentioned in that verse, so if believers are not to engage in any of these, why do you think HAVING ONE WIFE isn't applied to them?

Anyway I am done with you. I always hands off when people start attempting scriptural wrangling, its not my business how you choose to interpret your bible. I will simply state what is written, you can interpret it any how you like.

So you know this before but you're just jumping around like kangaroo....