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Barristter07:
Original ko , Fake ni

Man has never lost the image of God. U this fraud. Every human you meet is in the image of God either male or female ( James 3:9) . that's not the point of 1 Corinthians 15:49 . it deals with Nature. Even the one made of dust mentioned in that verse is already in the image of God. So it refers to something deeper.

OK sir!

Now Christ is THE IMAGE OF GOD

NOTE: It didn't say Christ HAS the image of God

Now compare this with your statement.

Barristter07:
The one who has not known sin, He MADE SIN for us. That's the point of contamination.

So at what point does this contamination occur, when Christ was living or when he was hung on the CROSS?

Even Colossians 2:9 exposed your ignorance that DIVINE NATURE DWELL in Christ BODILY

GODS FORM

To

SLAVE FORM

Changed.

So what happened to the DIVINE NATURE JESUS dropped/emptied until you tell us whatever happened to that nature.

BUT YOU SAID IT WAS EMPTIED, how can something you EMPTIED suddenly become CHANGE?

Jesus ( verse 47) . point of correction

They look forward to having the image/Nature of the Jesus the heavenly one. DIVINE NATURE. U are a real fraud.

Now this has back fire on you...

Jesus is the IMAGE OF GOD, so why are you claiming Jesus is not God.

Janosky:
1). Confirmed OLODO!
A Bowl in your hands you DROPPED it on the floor.
Is your hands EMPTY ?

Has a CHANGE occurred ?

Answer to your questions:
1. Yes, my hand is empty
2. No! Change has not occurred ON THE OBJECT only change in LOCATION. Reason! That a BOWL dropped from my hand doesn't make it BECOME A STEEL BOWL if it was made of PLASTIC, or does it?

Whatever you Emptied, Dropped, you have left behind because CHANGE has Occurred..

Janosky Confused OLODO

If not because your brain is paining you, you wouldn't have spew this thrash.

So where is that THING that you dropped?

Or what you dropped is the same with YOU!

Your analogy really sucks.

2).Point of correction: Jesus is the heavenly one spoken of in 1 Cor 15:45-49.. DON'T TWIST IT..

But Jesus is the IMAGE OF GOD

So if being the image of man makes us human then being the image of God must also make you God.

Emusan done write him own Bible.

Just as Watchtower wrote their own Bible

Man created in God's image Fell short of God's glory.
Man NEVER fell short of God's image, (except in Janosky delusional mindset).

So what is the Image of God in man?

Barristter07:
U FRAUD !

Adam never lost the image of God. He was Created as one. Every human is an image of God.

James 3:9
" With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God. "

That's why they are different from animals. Christian or not , all are in Gods image ... U this fraud

That scripture refer to Nature. 1 Corinthians 15:49 refer to the Divine nature which they shall bear

Liar like your father the devil

Man was created with the image of God which Adam lost due to sin and Christ came to restore that Image.

My point is if man was already created in the Image of God and to you IMAGE OF GOD is DIVINE NATURE then it means we are not to be called Human then....

Unless you change your mouth again.

The point I'm driving from here is, back to that 2 Peter 1:4 the divine nature MAN will share/partake is the original image of God that Adam lost, so 2peter 1 doesn't claim WE WILL BECOME DIVINE NATURE, that's why we are only going to SHARE it.

Barristter07:
Your tonic is below . at least you are admitting humans will Bear the DIvine Nature.

" What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:6

Anyone not born of the spirit are still Humans by nature even when they are ressurected. ( Rev 21:4)

ALL HUMAN!!!

So which means nothing has changed and resurrection is useless because if man was not restored to that ORIGINAL image of God which Adam was created with, then it means man will still die, and the body will still be experiencing decay.

Barristter07:
2 Corinthians 5:21 " He made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us "

God himself made him Sin , so that human nature is contaminated by virtue of been sacrificed for Sin. It deserves death.

That happened on the CROSS if not the virgin birth is false...which is the reason why you said "so that human nature is contaminated by virtue of been sacrificed for Sin."

Christ has never sin till He was put on the CROSS, it was on the CROSS HE BEARS ALL OUR SIN.

Are you saying Christ sin before he died?

What is the essence of the virgin birth if the human nature is already contaminated?

Liar....

Phil 2:6,7

From: GODS FORM
To.
SLAVES FORM

The person changed FORM/NATURE .

Not that it was hidden within. Which would make the scripture a LIE . what u hide wasn't emptied, U fraud! .. How could he be lower than angels if he has the divine nature hidden within him ? That would be a LIE.

Liar....but you're already said the first NATURE MUST BE DROPPED before the second nature can be picked. That's why you even said I should asked the Father what He did with the Divine nature.

Now it's no more EMPTIED but CHANGE where in the scripture can you find this?

Liar of the greatest century.

Just as I asked

Where is the divine nature JESUS EMPTIED

1 Corinthians 15:49

" And as we have borne the image of the earthly, we SHALL ALSO bear the image of the heavenly. "

Does " We shall also " sound like something they already have ? Clearly expose your fraud this refer to been created In the image of God.

Speaking ignorance and keep changing mouth

This was your first statement "...Just as we have bear the image of the one from dust, ( Human nature) We shall bear the image of the heavenly one ( Divine nature )"

The heavenly one here is God.....
So it's evident that you're just deluded Human are already created in the Image of God which is the glory Adam lost to sin and Jesus came to restore us back to that glory.

Barristter07:
E get as e be I only know u can't tear divine nature away from that verse.
So tell me what 2Pet 1:4 meant by sharers of THE DIVINE NATURE?

The image of God Adam lost and Christ came to earth to restore.

That's why you're even confused more when you talk about bearing the image of the heavenly one and that of image of Adam.

Barristter07:
You Fraud

" We shall ALSO BEAR " [ .. This isn't reffering to the image of God they already possess. ]

" ALSO BEAR " ...

The verse is referring to Nature , Adams Nature ( from Dust ) , Jesus nature ( Divine )

Ehhhh

So but your deluded organization say people will be resurrected on earth....

So which nature they will bear?

I guess you didn't see this coming....

So everybody who resurrected will bear DIVINE NATURE.....Bravo!

I know your tune will change now that Apostle was only talking about those who will be resurrected to heaven.

Barristter07:
God made that nature Sin.

That happened when the body was on the cross

So was the human body contaminated with sin?

Same person, different nature.

So there was a person LIVING in that Divine Nature and that person was removed then the Divine Nature was kept by the Father in Heaven.

Or you mean both the person and divine nature are the same?

This is how you'll know the evil doctrine of your demonic organization.

Death is a punishment for sin. U can wrong that already.

So what happened to that DIVINE NATURE that was COMPLETELY REMOVED.

You said above that SAME PERSON but DIFFERENT NATURE

So you agree that A PERSON was inside the DIVINE NATURE.

This is getting interesting!

That scripture that said the Father send the Divine nature?

So what was the Father sent?

What u hide isn't emptied. To hide is to keep secretly. Not empty

So what happened to that divine nature?

You keep dodging this but you know I won't let you rest until you tell us what happened to that divine nature.

Wait , U said it was hidden and the scripture exposed your lying nature by saying it was EMPTIED

Then why didn't you answer my first question, that what does it mean to emptied?

At least the will show who is lying...

Okay, what's the image of the heavenly one that's different from the image of the one made of dust?

You already said bearing image of the heavenly one is DIVINE NATURE, now I pointed it out that Man was created in the IMAGE OF GOD...

You're now asking stupid question!

If bearing the image of the heavenly one is having divine nature then it means God has already created human with divine nature.

When you supposed to study your Bible you'll be busy reading man made watchtower and awake.

Barristter07:
His human nature was sacrificed for SINS.

Was the human nature CONTAMINATED with sin?

Why simple question is so hard for you to answer?

Go and ask the Father what he did with it . Because its now clear death is not an option and hiding is not an option.

Imagine, I should go and ask the Father!

So you don't know what Father did with it but you claim it WAS THE SAME PERSON IN HEAVEN SENT TO EARTH....How come?

Divine nature can't die, you know this!
So what happened to the divine nature the Father took/completely removed in your brother's voice?

You must tell us what happened to that NATURE:

1. God killed it...
2. The Father took it and It's with Him which means the Father was lying to us that He sent it
3. The divine nature was hidden in His human nature!

Thank you

You're not welcome until you tell us what happened to that Divine nature that was removed completely/or took by the Father.

They have the promise to become ... Just as we have bear the image of the one from dust, ( Human nature) We shall bear the image of the heavenly one ( Divine nature ) . Sharing the divine nature make them A Possessor of that nature Just as Christ did.

Now you have shot yourself in the leg....

For you to equate IMAGE OF GOD to DIVINE NATURE...

Stop using BECOME I've thrash that since....but human are already created in the IMAGE OF GOD

Liar that's not what the verse says and that's why you've been jumping from one verse to another just to prove both Heb and 2peter are addressing the same thing when they're not.

Noone consults any book or reference any verse before understanding what Heb 2 is saying but you must force 2peter to say what it didn't

Barristter07:
Do even wicked humans not have spirits ?? Finally u are saying the divine nature is present in every human

Secondly, So Jesus never died for anyone's Sins just ordinary body dies ?

I used to laugh at you people ignorance whenever that second point is raised.

Who owns the BODY that Died in the first place?

Barristter07:
His human nature was sacrified for SINS. Leading to his death. So he also paid the punishment for sins through His death

Does the human nature contaminated with sin?

That was the simple question you're dodging

So what happened to His divine nature?

Nope , very clear and direct : Which Nature will they share ? THE DIVINE NATURE/Gods form. If Divine nature is proof of Godship to you, then they are GODS.

They share not BECOME as Christ did when He became human which brought us back to our initial point.

So both 2peter and Heb 2 aren't addressing the same point.

QED

Barristter07:
Your point that it was hidden in human nature was actually a lie . that was what canticles pointed out. If it was hidden in the human nature, Then it wasn't emptied but hidden

So correct yourself.

Using style to dodge my question.

What happened to the divine nature!

Answer that so that we can see whether I'm lie or not

I repeat what u hide within isn't emptied. YOU LIAR !!!

Jesus divine nature doesnt deserve punishment of death.

So what happened to the same divine nature?

You haven't answered my question but you just keep perambulating.

If you can tell us what happened to it then everyone can see the liar here.

Is the Greek word for " sharers" at 1Corinthians 1:6,7 and 2Pet 1:4 same ?

You means the word Greek word SHARER appear in verse 6....that's the problem when you are twisting scripture to suit yourself

Barristter07:
Not by death . Jesus commit no sin neither was the nature contaminated

So how did the Father took it away?

So was the human nature of Christ contaminated?

They are addressing the same point.

They are not, just agree you twisted scripture to agree with your position.

Barristter07:
The Father does that. Your error is you assumed Jesus needed to die before it can be removed , Not at all. The Humans who will get rid of their Fleshly human nature are doing so because corruption cannot inherit incorruption . their human bodies are contaminated by Sin. And the punishment for sin Is death.

Hypocrite! Now saying I'm assuming as if he doesn't assume!
Besides, I never assume but interpreting scripture with scripture.

How does the Father do it?

Either the Father put and end to it or the Father hide it somewhere.

But now what you've been shouting about since on 2peter 1 and that of Heb 2 is what you just did now.

You agreed that to pick up another form the person must drop the FIRST but all of a sudden, you don't want it to have the same meaning when it comes to Christ. Hypocrite!

Tell us what happened to the Divine form Christ emptied, your deluded brother has said to empty is to REMOVE COMPLETELY!

Does Jesus Divine nature inherit any sin to demand the punishment of death ??

Does the human nature tainted with sin?

I dont think you are okay


What you hide with you wasn't emptied . FACT . stop the lies

Your brain is paining you.

So what happened to the divine nature!

I wanted to show you why the Greek rendering proved sharers of divine nature are equal by divine nature, same way sharers of sufferings with Paul are said to undergo the same suffering.

Stop lying and make scripture say what it didn't say!

Nothing correlate in where you quoted with that of your statement.

freshboi88:
I have cured his foolishness with 1 Peter 3: 18-20

You don't know them, their false interpretation for that verse is that Jesus was resurrected to a SPIRIT BEING

CANTICLES:
The psalm was specific , Years never end. It refer to existence as a living being not at any point coming to an end. Jesus once existed as dead being

Does it means HIS YEARS HAS ENDED....

Olodo of the great century.

Then why are you dodging the same scripture that says Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever!

How can someone who once died because to be the same yesterday, today and forever?

CANTICLES:
Is that John 17:5 he gave you not clear enough, His divine nature was part of his heavenly glory he had before the world was which the Father took away.

So you mean the Father killed the Son or what do you mean by ..."which the father took away"

How does the Father take it away?

Divine nature hidden In human nature ? Not emptied ? Empty means to remove completely.

To you!

Paul said they share Same sufferings. The share here is the same as 2Pet 1:4, does that not tell you they share the same nature with God ?

I have explained myself enough on this!

2 Peter and Heb are addressing different point....

CANTICLES:
The psalm say Never , at no point will the person die. Lame one

So "your YEARS never end" means the person won't die.....

So how come the same Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever? I can see how you stylishly boycotted that.

Also, the same deluded person who believed that Jesus was once Angel Michael but died and rose again and still remains as Angel Michael can be spewing thrash.

Barristter07:
This will be addressed in my last post.

" So now you, Father , glorify me alongside yourself with THE GLORY that I had alongside you before the world was " - John 17:5

Simply means he didn't Come to earth with his Heavenly Glory.

You have shifted from nature/form to Glory....

What happened to His divine nature since He didn't come to earth with it?

Either the divine nature died as people with flesh and blood died before they could pick up another form or the divine nature was hidden in the human nature.

One thing must happen but unfortunate for you, you can't agree that the divine nature died.

So for the last time, what does it mean that Jesus emptied Himself?

" You endure the same sufferings that we also suffer. And so our hope for you is unwavering, knowing as we do that, Just as YOU ARE SHARERS ( Same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4) of the sufferings "

Are they Equal partners of the same sufferings ?

Your lie can't hold water again that's why you couldn't support it with your previous statement.

So how does the above correlate with this your statement? "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4"

It means you deliberately twisted those verses to support your lies that's why you're hiding under the (...)

Everyone can see what those verses are saying!

Peacefullove:
Answer that question: Did Jesus ever die ?

Everyone knows Jesus died but only a deluded JWs will think the YEARS of Jesus ended when He died when they believe the same Jesus is still in heaven now.

Did Bible say Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever?

Peacefullove:
I have no business with you man, why this quote ?

But you quoted him first!
just imagine...

Peacefullove:
Mary gave birth to God ? Since Yeshua came with his Divine nature ?

Another liar has joined the league!
Why can't you go straight to your point instead of rumbling?

CANTICLES:
With means ?

As predicted!
So it's WITH now not FELLOW again...

Continue!!!

Barristter07:
Go back to the reference I gave you on how the Greek word at Peters was used to MEAN BECOMING SAME.

No where does the Greek word used to mean BECOMING THE SAME

Keep lying...

You can tell me , What we know is he emptied it before coming to earth , that's why he could become a baby.

So you don't know the meaning of EMPTIED HIMSELF or what Happened to the divine nature He emptied.

Until you tell us then your understanding of that verse is shallow.

But aren't Christian LA going to DIE (which is to emptied their flesh and blood)

Flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods kingdom. U lied.

DIVINE NATURE

Human Nature

divine Nature.


Both doesnt co - exist . or else Philippians will be a lie.

Phillipian will be a lie when you don't even know the meaning of emptied Himself...

Delusion is real!

So I'm waiting for that.

You ran to the Greek text isn't it ... I showed you now that greek word meant same .


The reference again.
To answer this Let us examine how the scripture use this same Greek word for partakers at 2 Corinthians 1:6,7

" YOU ENDURE THE SAME Suffering that we also suffer... You are Sharers ( Koinonos) of the sufferings "

It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4

Do.you now accept they BECOME EQUAL PARTNERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE ?

I only use Geek to buttress my initial point which means Heb and 2peter were addressing different point and the Greek solely supports my position.

Quote the verses in full and stop hiding under (...) just as your demonic organization has been doing to lie and silent some critical point when referencing people's work.

Let's see whether we'll find this your statement "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4" there!

CANTICLES:
Despite you saw FELLOW , You still spit this trash , Fellows are people in the same position.

Companions shared same interest. Husband and wife are companions, sharers of the same human nature.

It simply means they shared the exact same GODS NATURE with GOD.

Then they are GOD. Smh

The great hider behind keyboard!

I love this your line....

Then since we're FELLOWSHIP/COMMUNION WITH The Holy Spirit then it means we are EQUAL AND THE SAME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT...

Bravo!

I know your tune will change now!

freshboi88:
So ur And=break lie doesn't hold water anymore.

Let's agree on one thing before jumping to another

Do u agree that And is a conjunction and cannot be used as a break?

They can't agree on one thing because their lies will be exposed that's why they keep jumping from one point to another.

Everyone knows this about them....

Notice his point asking if Jesus years ever run out or tasting death! When everyone knows that Heb 1:10 was about Jesus and it's a quote from psalm.

Barristter07:
It says " BECOME sharers of THE DIVINE NATURE " , Hope you saw that?

Become SHARER not BECOME DIVINE NATURE

As Heb says about Jesus....

So you're wrong once again!

They dont . They have to empty their flesh and blood Nature. Even Jesus is no longer human like you said earlier . the point remains They will HAVE THE DIVINE NATURE.

Tell us what happened to the divine nature Jesus emptied....from here to emptied the flesh and blood nature means to die.

How did Jesus emptied His own divine nature?

That's the question.

Besides, you didn't get my earlier point, Jesus is still Human but won't remain human forever. That's what I said earlier.

That's not the issue here . No diverting. Jesus empty the divine nature to took on human nature. Scripture is clear

How did Jesus emptied the divine nature?

At least you agreed that they will emptied their flesh and blood which means to DIE

It's an issue so you can't dodge it!

Is scripture not clear in the NATURE THAT CHRIST EXSITS IN BEFORE? Hypocrite!

Hehehehe when you realize Sharers doesnt mean Become doesnt work anymore , You ran to Greek text. Interestingly u mention meaning like " PARTNER" , Question is EQUAL PARTNERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE ?

To answer this Let us examine how the scripture use this same Greek word for partakers at 2 Corinthians 1:6,7

" YOU ENDURE THE SAME Suffering that we also suffer... You are Sharers ( Koinonos) of the sufferings "

It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING.

Do you now accept they are EQUAL PARTNERS OF GODS NATURE ?

Yeeeba!!!

It's clear based on the scripture that both Heb 2 and 2 Peter aren't address the same point.

As usual twisting scripture to say what it didn't say.

Quote the scripture here and show us where this your statement was found there "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING."

Lie lie JWs!

Barristter07:
You are not intelligent.

Frustration has started!

Heb 2:14 says Adams Children are Partakers of human nature , Do they BECOME HUMAN ?

As I said earlier, 2peter 1 doesn't say they BECOME/HAVING/POSSESS divine nature that one comes from your tiny brain.

What you're trying to do here is to give the word 'SHARE' the same meaning in the scripture without considering the content, something I'm very sure you won't dare try when another issue arises.

That's why I do say JWs and hypocrisy are like 5&6

DIVINE NATURE is GODS FORM. This makes those Christians GODS as well.

This also makes those Christians still retained their ORIGINAL FORM as well.

I can see how you stylishly boycotted my question about what happened to the FORM JESUS EMPTIED?

Another BLUNDER !!!

Hebrew 2:14 reads

" Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood , he also himself in like manner partook of the same; "

Two VOCAL POINTS

- The Children are sharers of human nature , DO THEY BECOME HUMAN ?? Very vital question.

As I always say, you people lack scriptural understanding and what you need is Bible study not online miscreant.

The word translated as SHARER/partaker in Heb 2:14 is 'Koinoneo'
Meaning : To share with others (objectively or subjectively) :-communicate, distribute, be partaker.

While the word translated as PARTAKER/SHARE in 2peter 1 is 'Koinonos'

Meaning: a sharer, i.e associate :- companion, X fellowship, partaker, partner.

From here it's evident that both Heb 2:14 and 2 Peter 1:4 didn't convey the same message but brainwashed JWs want it to be the same.

My question still remains, what happened to the form Jesus emptied or what do you understand by He emptied Himself?

First of all, I appreciate you calling for my input on this even though I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this either to learn from it or just to use it to batch, well whatever your reason(s) may be, I'll give my input as a fallible human who only allow scripture to interpret itself.

Secondly, I have to cut some parts of the post to limit the typing space.

Thirdly, the part I left from your post will be addressed normally and to the glory of God.

Rozz:
Why didn't God step in to say this practice is harmful and should not be done by God's people.

God was there when Satan deceived Eve yet He didn't step in, for a reason best known to Him. This shows from beginning that not every action of man God steps in to act.

In Deuteronomy 24:5 God made instructions for husbands to prioritize wife's happiness and in Malachi 2:13-16 God expressed anger at husband's unfaithfulness to his wife.

That was absolutely true!

The Bible isn't specific about why God allowed his people to continue in sinful systems like this.

God has allowed people to live in their sin and still work with them.

The questions we then ask are:

1. Do these people know that God actually hate their action?
2. Do they pay for the consequences of their actions?

The answers to these questions came out to be Yes!

God loves both men and women and will not hurt us,but why did He allow such to happen knowing fully well that these women(wives)were actually hurt?

God who allows Satan to deceive man knows what He's doing but Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul (you can read 1 Corinthian 10:1-11) enjoining us not to take after them as God was not actually pleased with them.

In summary:
Just as God from beginning gave man rules to follow and obey but why God was watching as man disobeyed those rules and man continues to pay for the consequences of breaking those rules till date, whoever did what God was not pleased with must face the consequences.


Shalom!

Barristter07:
I dont know Emusan is still perambulating , We see Humans receiving the promise of having Gods nature. Then do you accept they are GOD ??

Trinity aff scatter ..

Liar scripture didn't say "receiving the promise of HAVING GOD'S NATURE" that's your own addition to the scripture for your evil consumption.

Do you accept they will still be human having share of the divine nature?

Barristter07:
2Pet 1:4

" Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the divine nature, "

Does 2Pet 1:4 says small divine nature ? It says THE DIVINE NATURE fully!!!

The question remains: Do you accept they are EQUAL TO GOD FOR HAVING THE VERY NATURE OF GOD.

Liar the verse says PARTAKER/SHARE not HAVING/POSSESS/BECOME

This is the same point that your tiny brain failed to grab, that's why you keep equating the Heb 2:14 with 2peter 1 both are describing different issue but since you must cherry pick scripture then your problem continues.

It didn't say small divine nature . dont act silly. In fact that they have it alone destroys your noises here.

Christians receive the same promises to be in GODS FORM. Are they Equal to God?

Does the verse say, they will become God?

That's is the point!

Heb 2:14 emphatically says, Christ sharing in humanity is to BECOME Human!

Did 2peter 1:4 says the same thing about those people?

Again to EXIST IN GOD'S FORM IS TO BE GOD!

@Red , he emptied himself before taking another nature. Lie diligently.

Which content when it clearly says THE DIVINE NATURE ? Are u kidding ?

They SHARE/PARTAKER not FULLY BECOME....

Just to let you know that both Heb & Peter are describing different issue!

The Word BECAME Flesh.

Christ emptied his divine nature before taking human nature

FACT: These Christians receive the promise to have THE VERY NATURE OF GOD . are they Equal to GOD ?

So if Christ emptied the divine nature, was the divine nature died or still exist while He became human?

Or simply put, what actually happened to the divine nature He emptied?

The Christians only SHARE/PARTAKE not BECOME...

I didn't even have time to explain the content of that 2 Peter 1 because I know it's just a waste of precious time.