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Barristter07:
From the source .. The chief or highest rank is not excluded from the group , does it ?

That shows you don't even know what you're saying...

Which group are you talking about?

From Strong Greek the same word means ORIGIN

Its clear they existed before Earth. That make them exist before Genesis 1:1 cos it mention earth.

What of heavens?

And the angels watch as the earth foundation is laid ? foundation been laid means it not even yet formed at the time. O ma se o


So are this angels in eternity ?

Lastly, why the creation of heavens wasn't mentioned in Job 38?

Is it only earth God created?

Barristter07:
Rev 3:14
Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

And I ask Did he existed as God the son?

When all your balloons of lies have been deflated with a pin, next is to resort to joke....

Jesus is eternal as well as Holy Spirit according to the scripture.

So only eternal being can exist in eternity, true or false?

By prepare you mean Create ?

Olodo....i even cited a statement from your own organization which says that Gen 1:1 could have happened billion of years before Gen 1:2, which can mean when God first created heavens and the earth, the earth was not habitable before God prepared it to be habitable.

Barristter07:
Pending question: is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

This is irrelevant as long as you can't insert any of the word you listed into Rev 3:14 for us to see how it fit in.

Again, the word BEGINNING wasn't part of what you listed, how come? This is my question to you too which is still pending.

Job 38:4-7 angels existed before Genesis 1:1 , I love where we are in this discussion, you have to turn to Lies and fabrications . interesting


Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone —
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy? "

Why is the creation of heavens not mention here?

Was it only EARTH God created?

This shows how depth your lack of scriptural understanding sink.

Since angels existed before Genesis 1:1, are they created , let's see how sound your point on Rev 3:14 is

God isn't a deluded person like JWs, He perfectly knows that a created being needs a space to occupy, so he created Heavens and the earth FIRST IN THE BEGINNING.

But an educated illiterate like you will say a created beings later joined ETERNITY.

Barristter07:
I can only take you serious when u answer these.
Existed As God the son?

Jesus is an eternal being according to the scripture also The Holy Spirit....

So only eternal being can exists in eternity...

Which means you lied for saying a created being later joined eternity.

Dont be stupid . verse 4 says when he laid the foundation , foundation means starting which shows they existed prior to the earth. Since angels existed prior to Genesis 1:1, your point is dead on arrival. Are angels eternal beings ?

Ole.....

Job 38 is all about how God prepared the earth...which is very clear from the preceding verses which is the reason creation of heaven wasn't mentioned. Unless you want to tell us that it was ONLY earth that was created by God according to Job.

I know you've been learning something today apart from watchtower magazine and Awake

Barristter07:
No it doesnt , you need to state where angels existed Before Genesis 1 ? #laughs

Heaven and earth were created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING

God isn't a deluded person like you. He knows a created being needs a space to occupy.

That's why He created Heavens and the earth FIRST AT THE BEGINNING.

Only a liar like you will say, Created beings joined ETERNITY

Barristter07:


So only the Father existed there before Genesis 1 ?

All the ETERNAL BEING IN GODHEAD exists before Genesis 1

U need to be schooled again ?

Job 38:6,7 ... So where are they dwelling before Heaven and earth were created ?

Olodo....
I know that's where you will rush to....

Job 38 is about how God prepared the earth to be habitable for man....Gen 1 can't be wrong when it says "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"

Even your organization once said that Gen 1 could have happened billions of years before God prepared earth for man to live.

So in a nutshell, both Rev 3:24 and Gen 1:1 can't have two things happened IN THE BEGINNING at the same time.

Here you're a liar and the word of God is true!

Barristter07:
Is Heaven and earth not beginning again ni ?? O ma se o

It means you're a liar because a created being cant exist in eternity only an eternal being can.

You don't even see how this exposed your fraud that after Jesus was created he joined the Father in ETERNITY. What a useless statement!

Barristter07:

Father , Jesus and the angels all existed before Genesis 1:1 , going by your logic the angels were not created too . if the angels are created before Genesis 1:1 , what stop Jesus from being created too ? Rememt the analysis is still there which you have been Dodging, Is an arch enemy a part of the enemies ?

You've said Jesus and angels joined the Father eternity which is pure lie....

Only eternal being exists in ETERNITY, true or false?

And where did you read it that angels were created before Genesis 1

Jozzy4:
Barrister so this guy ended up roasted again. Bros , Angels exist before Genesis 1:1. They are in eternity

Only an ETERNAL BEING exists in ETERNITY proof me wrong first before your jumbo mombo....

And if you insist that both Jesus and Angels exist in eternity then it means they are all ETERNAL

Jozzy4:
But David na creation ba ?

That's why I said you people lack scriptural understanding.

for God to make David His firstborn isn't because David was created FIRST but the preceding statement is the key here...."HIGHER THAN THE KING OF THE EARTH"

Which means the firstborn is in RANK or POSITION that's the same thing about Colossians to Jesus.

Barristter07:
Anytime people in the scripture accomplished something by Power of the Father . he is always credited as the one doing it. Re visit your Sunday school classes .

Does that change the fact that proverb 8:22 proved the speaker was created ?

Ole.....

Prov 8 specifically mentioned how God Himself carried out the creations when the speaker was just beside Him.

It means just as you misunderstood Rev 3:14 you also misunderstood Prov 8 because it exposes your lies.

Other places in the scripture also mentioned how God carried out the creation activities.
even God said "MY OWN RIGHT HAND"

Barristter07:
together with angels cos they exist before the beginning of Genesis .

More problems for you

You're a liar....

Only eternal being can exist in eternity!

So to say both Jesus and even angels both join the Father in eternity means you lack understand.

Barristter07:
He was a master worker. Get that ?
The point here is the speaker was Created before the earth.

So Jesus wasn't the one who created everything anymore He was just a master worker...

I know you already know what it's about to hit you that's why you're playing a dubious play here....

And you lying people will be saying God created Jesus FIRST THEN USED JESUS TO CREATE EVERYTHING OTHER THINGS...

So what is the work of this Master worker? When it was God Himself that was creating everything according to Prov 8?

Barristter07:
The writer explained the List with detailed examples . the example will wound you this evening

Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Where in the list that BEGINNING appeears?

Substitute your list into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it will fit in....is that too much for you to do?

Between angels and the Earth which came first ? Let me test your IQ .

Gen 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and earth

Barristter07:
Since an arch enemy is part of enemies . Jesus after his creation Joined the Father

So Jesus joined the father in eternity bah

Barristter07:
Jesus from proverb 8:22

But according to the same verse it was not the speaker who created everything it was God Himself.

Barristter07:
Where was the Father before he made the heavens ?

The Father was in eternity...
So where was Jesus?

Barristter07:
Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

Still on the same information

The list you provided I said substitute it in Rev 3:14 let's see if it fits in OR not.

The word BEGINNING wasn't part of what you listed, so what's your point?

Genesis 2:4 proved Heaven and earth were made later. not beginning, I gave you proverb 8: 22-26 that established same point . that beginning at Gen 1:1 is relative to the day they were created . Genesis 2:4

Just look at the @underlined and see how Devil has been so much beclouded you....

When it was written boldly in Gen 1:1 that "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

Yet you can open your dirty mouth to say "NOT BEGINNING"

Barristter07:
Jesus was created first . Genesis 2:4 says heaven and earth were created later .

Liar....

Why jumping Genesis 1:1 and went straight to Genesis 2:4?

So where was Jesus stay before heavens were created? Remember a created being needs a space to occupy....

Barristter07:
Despite trying to help you, you still refuse to have sense - Does Proverb 8:22-26 not clarify this clearly ?

The sense I know you don't have in the first place!

So who is speaking in Prov 8?

Barristter07:
Emusan , Is an arch enemy part of enemies ?

You Cant escape this.

Substitute what you listed above into Rev 3:14 and let's see how it fit in into Jesus being the first created.

You See: Chief, Higher Rank from your own source even when BEGINNING wasn't there, you still went ahead to type rubbish.

You know what , Proverb 8:22-26 which was made first ?

I'll analyze Prov 8 for you later so that you can see it doesn't support you instead is against you.

So the point is, both Genesis 1:1 and Rev 3:14 can't be saying the same thing....if not it'll contradict each other, infact Genesis 1:1 is more favorable because it uses the word CREATED & BEGINNING at the same time. Unless you still insist that the writer of Genesis made mistake by saying that, what God created first in the beginning were heavens and the earth

Barristter07:
Proverb 8:22-26 says which was created first ?

I've said it before that Proverb 8 isn't on you people side because it went completely against your claim when we analysis in detail.

But the point here is this:

Both Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1-3 have the same tone

So, Is God lying for plainly said in Genesis 1:1 that what was created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING were heavens and the earth?

Barristter07:
From the examples cited .

Is an arch enemy an enemy ?

Is an arch angel an angel too ?

It's evident that even the dictionary you cited didn't support Rev 3:14 as FIRST CREATED but you just decided to stick with your dubious interpretation.

The point is clear enough . I ask some questions above.

Even from the list BEGINNING was not there so I'll ask you to substitute what you quote into Rev 3:14 and let's see how well it will fit in.

Colossians says the person mentioned at Rev 3:14 is before anything else , it became clear he was BORN first among creations

Don't bring Colossians into this first that's how you people jump up and down like monkeys....

Did receive 3:14 means Jesus was created FIRST IN THE BEGINNING that the point compare to Genesis 1 :1 where it was plainly said that, what God created first in the beginning were HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?

Barristter07:
Stop displaying idiocy on every thread , Devil also started sinning from beginning means he was there before Jesus going by your brain dead analysis.

I'll tell you, you stop displaying your ignorance and myopic attitude.

Isn't Genesis emphatically said GOD created HEAVENS AND THE EARTH IN the Beginning?

The word CREATED boldly appear in that verse which means both Jesus and heavens and the earth can't be CREATED AT THE BEGINNING.

Barristter07:
Do you accept Devil was right there in the beginning too ? ( 1John 3:8 )

Then which means beginning wasn't mean CREATED FIRST? Do you agree?

Genesis 1:1 PLAINLY SAID WHAT WAS CREATED IN THE BEGINNING is God lying?

Barristter07:
chief; principal; of highest rank
archangel
archbishop
archduke
2. eminent above all others of the same kind; extreme
archenemy
archfiend
archfool

So your point ?

My point is, now how does this proof that Rev 3:14 is talking about Jesus being created in the BEGINNING?

By the time you check the above it would be clear

I can't see where CREATED appears in the above list, did you?

Colossians 1:15-17 says the first BORN is before all other things. So " Beginning " here at Gen 1:1 is relative . your Foolish logic would mean Devil actually started sinning from beginning ( 1Joh 3:8 )

Can you see your hypocrisy I do talk about

So the BEGINNING in Genesis is relative but the one in Rev 3:14 isn't....continue!

Now you're bringing Colossians into this when your confusion is not yet clear about Rev 3:14

freshboi88:
U keep trying to win the argument and not learn. It is a shame u not open minded.

Beginning has more than 1 meaning, u think I can be easily fooled... Hahahaha.......I laugh at u.

According to the dictionary incase u cannot understand things:

Can u see that beginning also means


the background or origins of a person or organization. Which has a synonym of source and origin

At the end nobody can decide to give his or her own interpretation. But to know which interpretation is correct, that interpretation must be consistent across scripture.

Jehovah's witness interpretation contradicts John 1:3-4.

That's Jehovah witness lying liar for you...

Notice: They won't provide the dictionary for Rev 3:14 but will quickly do so for another verse.

If Jesus was created at the beginning the Bible is lying then by saying that, what God first created IN THE BEGINNING were heavens and the earth according to Genesis 1:1

Maximus69:
Proverbs 8:22-30 compare to John 1:1-18

Genesis 1:1 says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"

How can Jesus still be the first created BEING IN THE BEGINNING when the Bible tells us what God first created IN THE BEGINNING WERE heavens and the earth?

That's the question

Jozzy4:
Only showing you ridiculous you can be.

Cry me a river....like I said I won't give you the avenue to derail this thread.

Is Jesus Christ in the heavens ?

The questions are:

1. Which one was created at the BEGINNING, heavens and earth or Jesus?

2. Is God lying for saying He created Heavens and the earth IN BEGINNING? according to Genesis 1:1

Lastly, you asked "is Jesus Christ in the heavens?"
A created being needs a SPACE TO OCCUPY

So where was Jesus after he was created?

Barristter07:
Is English this hard for you ? I show you the usage of Apart from.

If you're not an hypocrite, then show us the usage of the word ARCHE translated as BEGINNING in Rev 3:14 according to COLLINS DICTIONARY...

Let's see your stand.

You people Claimed or as the Bible claimed ?

You people claimed because that's not what Bible claims.

No contradiction.

Then both heavens and earth and Jesus can't be created at the BEGINNING....

Which one was first created at the beginning?

Genesis 1 answered that, it was HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, it means you misinterpreted Rev 3:14

Jozzy4:
[s]Yeah just like you end up saying Good people will raised two times , and that There are two judgement . Dundee [s]

I know you want to derail this thread but I won't give you that chance!

Where is your sense
Do heavens include the heavenly beings ?

So you mean heavens and earth were created before Jesus Christ.....


Waooooo let's see where this will end first!

Barristter07:
If you see revelation 3:14 now , you will start suffocating .

Collins dictionary " You use apart from when you are making an exception to a general statement. "

Christ is an exception ... He was directly created by His Father ( Rev 3:14 )

You know I know how to deal with people like you...

Before we continue, can you give us Collins Dictionary of that Rev 3:14 so that we can compare with your statement here!

If Rev 3:14 actually means Jesus is the BEGINNING OF GOD CREATION as you people claimed, didn't that contradict Genesis 1:1 that says "IN THE BEGINNING God created heavens and the earth"?