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freshboi88:
I have cured his foolishness with 1 Peter 3: 18-20

You don't know them, their false interpretation for that verse is that Jesus was resurrected to a SPIRIT BEING

CANTICLES:
The psalm was specific , Years never end. It refer to existence as a living being not at any point coming to an end. Jesus once existed as dead being

Does it means HIS YEARS HAS ENDED....

Olodo of the great century.

Then why are you dodging the same scripture that says Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever!

How can someone who once died because to be the same yesterday, today and forever?

CANTICLES:
Is that John 17:5 he gave you not clear enough, His divine nature was part of his heavenly glory he had before the world was which the Father took away.

So you mean the Father killed the Son or what do you mean by ..."which the father took away"

How does the Father take it away?

Divine nature hidden In human nature ? Not emptied ? Empty means to remove completely.

To you!

Paul said they share Same sufferings. The share here is the same as 2Pet 1:4, does that not tell you they share the same nature with God ?

I have explained myself enough on this!

2 Peter and Heb are addressing different point....

CANTICLES:
The psalm say Never , at no point will the person die. Lame one

So "your YEARS never end" means the person won't die.....

So how come the same Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever? I can see how you stylishly boycotted that.

Also, the same deluded person who believed that Jesus was once Angel Michael but died and rose again and still remains as Angel Michael can be spewing thrash.

Barristter07:
This will be addressed in my last post.

" So now you, Father , glorify me alongside yourself with THE GLORY that I had alongside you before the world was " - John 17:5

Simply means he didn't Come to earth with his Heavenly Glory.

You have shifted from nature/form to Glory....

What happened to His divine nature since He didn't come to earth with it?

Either the divine nature died as people with flesh and blood died before they could pick up another form or the divine nature was hidden in the human nature.

One thing must happen but unfortunate for you, you can't agree that the divine nature died.

So for the last time, what does it mean that Jesus emptied Himself?

" You endure the same sufferings that we also suffer. And so our hope for you is unwavering, knowing as we do that, Just as YOU ARE SHARERS ( Same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4) of the sufferings "

Are they Equal partners of the same sufferings ?

Your lie can't hold water again that's why you couldn't support it with your previous statement.

So how does the above correlate with this your statement? "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4"

It means you deliberately twisted those verses to support your lies that's why you're hiding under the (...)

Everyone can see what those verses are saying!

Peacefullove:
Answer that question: Did Jesus ever die ?

Everyone knows Jesus died but only a deluded JWs will think the YEARS of Jesus ended when He died when they believe the same Jesus is still in heaven now.

Did Bible say Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever?

Peacefullove:
I have no business with you man, why this quote ?

But you quoted him first!
just imagine...

Peacefullove:
Mary gave birth to God ? Since Yeshua came with his Divine nature ?

Another liar has joined the league!
Why can't you go straight to your point instead of rumbling?

CANTICLES:
With means ?

As predicted!
So it's WITH now not FELLOW again...

Continue!!!

Barristter07:
Go back to the reference I gave you on how the Greek word at Peters was used to MEAN BECOMING SAME.

No where does the Greek word used to mean BECOMING THE SAME

Keep lying...

You can tell me , What we know is he emptied it before coming to earth , that's why he could become a baby.

So you don't know the meaning of EMPTIED HIMSELF or what Happened to the divine nature He emptied.

Until you tell us then your understanding of that verse is shallow.

But aren't Christian LA going to DIE (which is to emptied their flesh and blood)

Flesh and blood cannot inherit Gods kingdom. U lied.

DIVINE NATURE

Human Nature

divine Nature.


Both doesnt co - exist . or else Philippians will be a lie.

Phillipian will be a lie when you don't even know the meaning of emptied Himself...

Delusion is real!

So I'm waiting for that.

You ran to the Greek text isn't it ... I showed you now that greek word meant same .


The reference again.
To answer this Let us examine how the scripture use this same Greek word for partakers at 2 Corinthians 1:6,7

" YOU ENDURE THE SAME Suffering that we also suffer... You are Sharers ( Koinonos) of the sufferings "

It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4

Do.you now accept they BECOME EQUAL PARTNERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE ?

I only use Geek to buttress my initial point which means Heb and 2peter were addressing different point and the Greek solely supports my position.

Quote the verses in full and stop hiding under (...) just as your demonic organization has been doing to lie and silent some critical point when referencing people's work.

Let's see whether we'll find this your statement "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING. That same Greek word at 2Pet 1:4" there!

CANTICLES:
Despite you saw FELLOW , You still spit this trash , Fellows are people in the same position.

Companions shared same interest. Husband and wife are companions, sharers of the same human nature.

It simply means they shared the exact same GODS NATURE with GOD.

Then they are GOD. Smh

The great hider behind keyboard!

I love this your line....

Then since we're FELLOWSHIP/COMMUNION WITH The Holy Spirit then it means we are EQUAL AND THE SAME WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT...

Bravo!

I know your tune will change now!

freshboi88:
So ur And=break lie doesn't hold water anymore.

Let's agree on one thing before jumping to another

Do u agree that And is a conjunction and cannot be used as a break?

They can't agree on one thing because their lies will be exposed that's why they keep jumping from one point to another.

Everyone knows this about them....

Notice his point asking if Jesus years ever run out or tasting death! When everyone knows that Heb 1:10 was about Jesus and it's a quote from psalm.

Barristter07:
It says " BECOME sharers of THE DIVINE NATURE " , Hope you saw that?

Become SHARER not BECOME DIVINE NATURE

As Heb says about Jesus....

So you're wrong once again!

They dont . They have to empty their flesh and blood Nature. Even Jesus is no longer human like you said earlier . the point remains They will HAVE THE DIVINE NATURE.

Tell us what happened to the divine nature Jesus emptied....from here to emptied the flesh and blood nature means to die.

How did Jesus emptied His own divine nature?

That's the question.

Besides, you didn't get my earlier point, Jesus is still Human but won't remain human forever. That's what I said earlier.

That's not the issue here . No diverting. Jesus empty the divine nature to took on human nature. Scripture is clear

How did Jesus emptied the divine nature?

At least you agreed that they will emptied their flesh and blood which means to DIE

It's an issue so you can't dodge it!

Is scripture not clear in the NATURE THAT CHRIST EXSITS IN BEFORE? Hypocrite!

Hehehehe when you realize Sharers doesnt mean Become doesnt work anymore , You ran to Greek text. Interestingly u mention meaning like " PARTNER" , Question is EQUAL PARTNERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE ?

To answer this Let us examine how the scripture use this same Greek word for partakers at 2 Corinthians 1:6,7

" YOU ENDURE THE SAME Suffering that we also suffer... You are Sharers ( Koinonos) of the sufferings "

It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING.

Do you now accept they are EQUAL PARTNERS OF GODS NATURE ?

Yeeeba!!!

It's clear based on the scripture that both Heb 2 and 2 Peter aren't address the same point.

As usual twisting scripture to say what it didn't say.

Quote the scripture here and show us where this your statement was found there "It was used to explain that the person who shared BECOME SAME with others . EQUAL PARTNERS OF SOMETHING."

Lie lie JWs!

Barristter07:
You are not intelligent.

Frustration has started!

Heb 2:14 says Adams Children are Partakers of human nature , Do they BECOME HUMAN ?

As I said earlier, 2peter 1 doesn't say they BECOME/HAVING/POSSESS divine nature that one comes from your tiny brain.

What you're trying to do here is to give the word 'SHARE' the same meaning in the scripture without considering the content, something I'm very sure you won't dare try when another issue arises.

That's why I do say JWs and hypocrisy are like 5&6

DIVINE NATURE is GODS FORM. This makes those Christians GODS as well.

This also makes those Christians still retained their ORIGINAL FORM as well.

I can see how you stylishly boycotted my question about what happened to the FORM JESUS EMPTIED?

Another BLUNDER !!!

Hebrew 2:14 reads

" Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood , he also himself in like manner partook of the same; "

Two VOCAL POINTS

- The Children are sharers of human nature , DO THEY BECOME HUMAN ?? Very vital question.

As I always say, you people lack scriptural understanding and what you need is Bible study not online miscreant.

The word translated as SHARER/partaker in Heb 2:14 is 'Koinoneo'
Meaning : To share with others (objectively or subjectively) :-communicate, distribute, be partaker.

While the word translated as PARTAKER/SHARE in 2peter 1 is 'Koinonos'

Meaning: a sharer, i.e associate :- companion, X fellowship, partaker, partner.

From here it's evident that both Heb 2:14 and 2 Peter 1:4 didn't convey the same message but brainwashed JWs want it to be the same.

My question still remains, what happened to the form Jesus emptied or what do you understand by He emptied Himself?

First of all, I appreciate you calling for my input on this even though I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this either to learn from it or just to use it to batch, well whatever your reason(s) may be, I'll give my input as a fallible human who only allow scripture to interpret itself.

Secondly, I have to cut some parts of the post to limit the typing space.

Thirdly, the part I left from your post will be addressed normally and to the glory of God.

Rozz:
Why didn't God step in to say this practice is harmful and should not be done by God's people.

God was there when Satan deceived Eve yet He didn't step in, for a reason best known to Him. This shows from beginning that not every action of man God steps in to act.

In Deuteronomy 24:5 God made instructions for husbands to prioritize wife's happiness and in Malachi 2:13-16 God expressed anger at husband's unfaithfulness to his wife.

That was absolutely true!

The Bible isn't specific about why God allowed his people to continue in sinful systems like this.

God has allowed people to live in their sin and still work with them.

The questions we then ask are:

1. Do these people know that God actually hate their action?
2. Do they pay for the consequences of their actions?

The answers to these questions came out to be Yes!

God loves both men and women and will not hurt us,but why did He allow such to happen knowing fully well that these women(wives)were actually hurt?

God who allows Satan to deceive man knows what He's doing but Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul (you can read 1 Corinthian 10:1-11) enjoining us not to take after them as God was not actually pleased with them.

In summary:
Just as God from beginning gave man rules to follow and obey but why God was watching as man disobeyed those rules and man continues to pay for the consequences of breaking those rules till date, whoever did what God was not pleased with must face the consequences.


Shalom!

Barristter07:
I dont know Emusan is still perambulating , We see Humans receiving the promise of having Gods nature. Then do you accept they are GOD ??

Trinity aff scatter ..

Liar scripture didn't say "receiving the promise of HAVING GOD'S NATURE" that's your own addition to the scripture for your evil consumption.

Do you accept they will still be human having share of the divine nature?

Barristter07:
2Pet 1:4

" Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the divine nature, "

Does 2Pet 1:4 says small divine nature ? It says THE DIVINE NATURE fully!!!

The question remains: Do you accept they are EQUAL TO GOD FOR HAVING THE VERY NATURE OF GOD.

Liar the verse says PARTAKER/SHARE not HAVING/POSSESS/BECOME

This is the same point that your tiny brain failed to grab, that's why you keep equating the Heb 2:14 with 2peter 1 both are describing different issue but since you must cherry pick scripture then your problem continues.

It didn't say small divine nature . dont act silly. In fact that they have it alone destroys your noises here.

Christians receive the same promises to be in GODS FORM. Are they Equal to God?

Does the verse say, they will become God?

That's is the point!

Heb 2:14 emphatically says, Christ sharing in humanity is to BECOME Human!

Did 2peter 1:4 says the same thing about those people?

Again to EXIST IN GOD'S FORM IS TO BE GOD!

@Red , he emptied himself before taking another nature. Lie diligently.

Which content when it clearly says THE DIVINE NATURE ? Are u kidding ?

They SHARE/PARTAKER not FULLY BECOME....

Just to let you know that both Heb & Peter are describing different issue!

The Word BECAME Flesh.

Christ emptied his divine nature before taking human nature

FACT: These Christians receive the promise to have THE VERY NATURE OF GOD . are they Equal to GOD ?

So if Christ emptied the divine nature, was the divine nature died or still exist while He became human?

Or simply put, what actually happened to the divine nature He emptied?

The Christians only SHARE/PARTAKE not BECOME...

I didn't even have time to explain the content of that 2 Peter 1 because I know it's just a waste of precious time.

Barristter07:
There is something called " Main point " . the main point that stands out is partaking a nature make you fully one.

In your wildest imagination not the main point.

The content of Heb 2:14 clearly shows that Christ sharing in humanity makes Him fully HUMAN whereas the content of 2Peter 1:4 not even you demonic translation shows that those Christians sharing FULL divine nature.

So it's you deluded people who intentionally cling to SHARING MUST BE EQUAL FULLY

Jesus partaking Human nature makes him FULLY HUMAN, this is the point needed. As for retaining his other nature, Its totally irrelevant to this discussion, I wonder what he emptied before partaking human nature which he became FULLY

Makes HIM FULLY HUMAN according to the content of that verse, show us where the content of Christians sharing divine nature signifies FULLY DIVINE NATURE!

From Christ is no longer human to Christ was never human . By Christ is no longer human, Do you mean Christ is no more an human being?

It's not today I know you lack simple comprehension.

MY Points are:
1. Christ was never a human being scripture already told us His nature which is GOD'S FORM
2. For death to be defeated, Christ partakes/share/become HUMAN because that's was the only way He can defeat Death.
3. Even though He shared/partook/became HUMAN, this doesn't make Him to loose His first FORM He existed in.
4. Using energy as analogy, energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can only be transformed from one FORM/NATURE to another FORM/NATURE

Transforming energy from one state/form to another doesn't change the fact that it's still energy.

That's my point!

Back to your post.

Christ sharing in humanity MAKE HIM HUMAN , irrespective of the purpose, Agree ??. To which the above verse agrees when it days the son became FLESH and BLOOD ( Human being ) , So also sharing in GODS NATURE make those Christians GOD.

You can't eat your cake and have it , both are partaking a nature. What applies to A , applies to B

Firstly, you get yourself more confused by only concentrate on one part of my post and neglect the other part.

Firstly, it's you and your deluded brother who EQUATE the sharing to be the same thing while my own point has been on the content of each verses.

Secondly, You cherry pick the part that suit you in my post and then forcing your delusion on my statement.

Lastly, since you're forcing your delusion on my statement, let's even assume I go with you, then do you agree with my second part of my statement that sharing in humanity by Christ still made Christ to retain His original NATURE? which then means those Christians too will still retain their HUMAN NATURE!

Let me see how you want to go about it!

Barristter07:
You are roping yourself.

In tiny brain

Christians sharing in GODS NATURE proves that GODS NATURE wasn't their original nature but was added . and like Christ was FULLY HUMAN when given humanity nature, this Christians were FULLY GOD when GODS NATURE was given to them.

Its clear enough.

The funny thing is how you people just cherry pick whatever you want, and this you people do not only to the scripture but to a post too.

So do you then agree that this Christians still retain their HUMAN NATURE since you want to force your statement on my own?

because after cherry pick the part that suit you in my post you neglected the other part!

Jozzy4:
But sharing in Human nature Make Christ FULLY HUMAN?

Do u see how u are speaking from both sides of your mouth. Its a shame on you

Since your brain capacity is too low to grab my point, what do you expect?

FULLY HUMAN and still RETAIN His nature...

Since you and your deluded brother didn't know what to say again you have to cling to ONLY FULLY HUMAN....

So Christ is no longer human ?

Christ was never a human but ONLY SHARE IN HUMANITY to achieve a purpose which Heb 2:14 emphasized on

"Because God’s children are human beings—made of flesh and blood—the Son also became flesh and blood. For only as a human being could he die, and only by dying could he break the power of the devil, who had the power of death. Heb 2:14 NLT

I know your tiny brain won't still grab it, when you don't even know different between simple Past Tense and Present Perfect Tense.

Barristter07:
Sharing in GODS NATURE make Christians FULLY GOD TOO!!! , Do you now accept they are equal to God ?

I can see your ignorance here and the tactics you people are using to deviate from the main point.

But as usual I won't allow that to happen because that's how you people behave.

Christ sharing in humanity simply proves that THE FORM HUMAN WASN'T His original form but what He suddenly added.

So your point holds no water here!

As I even quoted your own translation ""who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human" Phil 2:6-7 NWT

The point is very clear but only a liar and deluded person will give it another interpretation.

Jozzy4:
Mr , Your logic is working here big Tyme .... You admitted Jesus partaking of human nature make him FULLY HUMAN, Do you also accept Partaking GODS NATURE make the Christians FULLY GOD ?

It makes Him fully human while HIS ORIGINAL FORM OR NATURE DIDN'T change because you're trying to remove that from my statement.

SHARING/PARTAKING doesn't change the existing form but to have PART which is the point both Heb 2:14 & 2peter 1 are making.

Only God can cure your delusions!

Jozzy4:
Rest man. U have no point

What u already possess is called " MY "

Then it means John the Baptist was already possessed then in heaven....

Is Isaiah 42 a prophetic statement or not?

Jesus was equal to humans by virtue of his sharing , Do you accept this Christians too are EQUAL to God by their sharing?

Jesus existed as GOD from beginning, that is His form! Share in humanity can mean like adding something which doesn't change the existing one.

" Jesus was FULLY HUMAN on earth because HE SHARES in humanity " Emusan

Do you accept Sharing in GODS NATURE make one FULLY GOD as well ?

When I said Jesus was fully human on earth, did you know I said His original nature doesn't change? because you neglected that part.

Sharing in God's nature doesn't make you FULLY GOD that's why Christ can't be said to be Human forever but Christ existed in form of God from beginning.

Jozzy4:
Forget beginning, because even this Christians dont possess Gods nature from beginning. What matters is once someone share in something, they became FULLY part of it.

The point is the form that Christ existed from beginning didn't change when he shared in humanity.

The statement "What matters is once someone share in something, they became FULLY part of it." was yours not mine!

Your own is to prove to us that, that verse says THEY BECOME FULLY DIVINE NATURE

Jesus became Fully human when he shared in humanity, Do you agree this Christians are also FULLY GOD for sharing GODS NATURE ?

He became fully human while His original nature doesn't change which means the human nature was just like something borrowed I've said this before.

In the case of the Christians now where you'll see that they become FULLY God for sharing God's nature which I even said that's not what the verse was saying in the first place!

Jozzy4:
MY servant is not prophetic , it's a description of the chosen one.

So My Servant was the only statement that chapter

Olodo....

Isaiah 42 is a prophetic statement and the fact that Present Perfect Tense was used which I've explained earlier proves you wrong.

So if you apply that it means those Christians didn't change their human nature yet are fully Of GODS NATURE ?

You keep exposing your ignorance!

Whi says they are FULL OF GOD'S NATURE

But Share in the case of Jesus means FORM he exist ? this tight corner wey u enter , na die.

So was that verse LYING that they share GODS NATURE ?

Where did I say "share in the case of Jesus means FORM he exists?"

Jozzy4:
Hahahahahaha Guy

But when Jesus share humanity he was human. Mr , Was the verse LYING they share Gods nature ?

This is the point you still failed to grab!

-He was not human from the beginning.
-When He shared humanity it didn't stop being God, He's nature of God remains what it is.

Jozzy4:
Isaiah 42:1

" Look! My servant , whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved "

God would be lying to call him his servant if he wasn't at the point of writing that verse.

Isaiah 42 is a prophetic verse which means foreseeing what will happen in the future.

Even the same thing happened in Malachi

Does that mean John the Baptist has started existing with God that time?

Olodo

Coming from someone who believe Jesus can co- exist with man nature and God nature

Olodo!
Didn't that prove to you that Christ as God didn't change His nature which is my point here!

Who is lying you or the bible ? It says clearly that they share Gods nature. So did scripture lied or what are you trying to prove?

SHARE doesn't mean that is the FORM they exist.

Barristter07:
So they didn't share the DIVINE NATURE? the verse was a LIE ?

Share divine nature doesn't mean they change from being human because that's not what the verse is all about

Barristter07:
Emphasis on " Sharing is not existing in form " statement of yours

Likewise those Christians dont Exist as DIvine natures before they shared it . Was Jesus FULLY HUMAN ON EARTH ? Does his sharing Make him Exist in that humanity form ? That's the bone of contention here.

May statement is that you share a form doesn't mean you exist in that FORM....

We exist as HUMAN that's is our FORM.

Jesus was FULLY HUMAN on earth because HE SHARES in humanity not that HE WAS HUMAN FROM BEGINNING.

Barristter07:
Explain the below, if the highlighted makes sense to you:

"Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity " Hebrews 2:14

Does Jesus sharing humanity means he existed In that form ?

I'm so happy that you brought up this verse

This particular verse should open your eyes but I know it won't.

"He too shares in their HUMANITY" this can simply mean something you borrow and not FULLY YOURS....HE DIDN'T EXIST AS HUMAN BEFORE!

So to your question, Christ wasn't existed as human because he is not human in the first place and Phil 2 has told us the form He exists so He ONLY SHARES IN HUMANITY.

Jozzy4:
laughs at your ignorance



Isaiah 42:1 didn't say " my future servant "

He was servant even the present.

Grow up. The possesive MY says it all

Despite the fact I explained that statement when you ignorantly claimed it was Past Tense, you can still spew this thrash...Truly there's is a pride in ignorance.

When it was shared with them, In what Nature do they exist?

They are still human!

Their Nature didn't change unless you can proof further that, that's what the verse say.

Which Nature was shared with them ?

Once shared, in what form do those humans exist ?

Brain dead Jossy .

They are still human their Nature didn't change!

Jozzy4:
U can't call someone who is not your servant . My servant . that statement long before he even came to earth point to a greater truth.

The problem you're having is big, many translations reference Isa 42:1 with Phil 2:7

Why? Simply because it was that time when Christ became man that Isa 42 was fulfilled.

Just like I said if ordinary primary school English is difficult for you, how can you even understand scripture?

Nope, partakers of what ? I ask paratakers of what ? DIVINE NATURE. GODS FORM, are they equal to God ?

Yeye dey smell

They are PARTAKERS/SHARE, they don't exist in that FORM

But Christ exists in God's form which only God existed.

Emphasis on NATURE and FORM ... Points to appearance , agreed ?

Its clear you no know nothing.

Let me quote your own translation of Phil 2 so that it can cure your ignorance!

"who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human"

Even your own translation says "WAS EXISTING in God's FORM" and went further to say "but emptied himself and took a SLAVE'S FORM"

Which shows the state He was and the state He is now.

So clearly then those sharing the GODS NATURE are ALL EQUAL TO GOD , accepted ? Am loving this

SHARE isn't EXISTING in that FORM

I even forgot you lack understand of basic English.