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jonot: This is truly sad. and i dont understand why some people are using it as a basis to insult the Igbos. devilish deeds are done by all - white, black, brown, etc, as long as the fear of God is gone/absent. may God have mercy on our generation, that is so perverted & wicked & where the hearts of men are solely given to devising more evil deeds.

You make sense alot! I'm a Yoruba, what is happening in our generation now it's only God that can help.

Sorry I didn't read your post but this answer came as a result to your title.

Send her to me with her kids.

Just because of money.
Mother's blood speaks more than that of Abel.

@OP - First of all, how high is your spiritual life? I mean your relationship with Holy Spirit. Have you received Holy Spirit baptism?
Forget about what unbelievers are saying, most chritians fail today because they have neglected the aspect of the Holy Spirit.

I have a similar problem but in other way. In my second semester HND I, I involved in politics which drop my GP to Lower Credit during the end of same semester I was chosen as an EXCO in my fellowship which I don't have option than to drop my political ambitions. First semester of HND II, I don't have much time for book because of church activities during the exam I will just tell God , help me in this exam then I will choose like six topic and read it with my last strenght. The funny aspect of it is that any topic I choose must surely comes out that make some of my friends to always come to me that I should give them area of concentration. To limit my long story, that semester I be the first student to in my depertment to write DISTINTION not upper credit (it was the result that pushed my lower to upper again). The time I was pursing my political ambition with hard study I failed. It might work for me or other people but the fact still remain that you're a christian but what is your attidute and relationship toward God. Many people have been in christiandom today yet they haven't baptized with Holy Spirit without the Holy Spirit christian are nothing. No pastor will ever give you Holy Spirit they can only guide you and help you build your faith in christ, you need to seek for it yourself with an open mind because Holy Spirit searcheth the heart not our look.

Pls don't lose your faith and hope in God, you might see people fallen on this forum never mind is in the Bible already. If God does not exist I won't claim He exist, I'm not a pastor I'm a practice engineer, I have read many science textbook both astronomy, evolutions e.t.c if not because I was baptized by Holy Spirit I would have become an atheist. Serving God doesn't stop me to become what God has destined me to be.

God with US!

Mudley313: Harvard researchers? but how come harvard nor publish the report themselves but leave am up to a satirical christian apologist site to so. looking closer, this article was published in February and says that the journal article would be published next month. It wasn't. well, what's new; the religious always claim things without providing any actual proof of anything. christians, must you resort to lies to try and prove your non-existing gods existence? smh

smh @ god not being able to prove himself in simple english but choosing a long dead language to do so

smh @ bible gods regression from direct interventions and even speaking audibly to people to going totally silent in proving himself

https://i.imgur.com/SeOnW.jpg

How many prove has evolutionist provided?

ifeness: I do not think Yahweh of the bible is that intelligent. This is a proof that humans were genetically created by another race outside our beloved planet. Christians claimed Yahweh is a spirit, so that disqualifies him from anything related to matter/ physicality, unless thy wanna change their tones.

Bottom line: anything beyond human imaginations certainly has got nothing to do with a white beard man who is so bored and holding a cup of coffee.

@bold- Information in human being is a spirit "so human have spirit"

Go through your atheist site is there.

Like I always say one day evolutionist will declare there's God, though they will term it into another thing. We are moving closer!

ooman: Give your life to the Flying Pig before its too late.

Good evening Ooman, quite a long time?
How I wish I could do that but I've already given my life to the living God, omnipresent, omniscience all-powerful, and all-purposeful one who has never failed me.

Hope you have a nice weekend.

Let's look at the remaining works of the Holy Spirit.

5. Filling
The result of the transformed life, whichis yielded to the Holy Spirit is a “Spirit filled” life. We have the choice to live a transformed life, filled by the Spirit or a life spiritual stagnation. God gives us the choice to yield to His Spirit or our spirit. .
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Ephesians 5:18,22-24

6. Overcoming
So if we are filled with Spirit, why do we still struggle? We are being perfected, not that we are perfect. We are in the process of transformation, day to day intothe image of the glory of the Lord (2 Cor. 3:1). Those times we sin, because of anger, lust, pride, covetousness, hate, etc. etc., are times we choose to not yield to the Holy Spirit.
We are at war with the flesh, we have the choice yield to the Flesh or the Spirit.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Gal 5:17-18

6. Gifting
We are all unique individual souls, each one us has a purpose and a part of God’s eternal plan. When we come to Christ, the Holy Spirit is the down payment or guarantee of our Redemption (Eph. 1:14).
The Holy Spirit also equips the believer, giving each of us our own gifts, so we can accomplish the Lord’s work.
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
I Corinthians 12:3-5
The power and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, allow us to accomplish more than we would ever be able in the flesh. While the world looks at titles and pedigree, the Spirit looks at the heart, searching our real intents. When we are sincere, and pure before the Lord, we can walk in the power of the Lord.

7. Sending
Before Jesus was taken into Heaven, he told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they receive the Holy Spirit. What would the Holy Spirit allow them to do? Jesus said they would have power. Power for what? The Holy Spirit would give them power to “witness” about Jesus. Jesus is the focus of not only the New Testament, but the Old as well.
8 "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts 1:8

8. Glorifying
We are in the process of transformation, we are not there yet, the Holy Spirit is the guarantee of the redemption to come (Eph. 1:14). We will one day be perfect and glorified in the image of Christ, restored from our fallen state. For the rest of eternity, we will enjoy the presence and blessing of God, today, we are only a shadow of what we will be. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, we can choose to have a victorious Christian life, looking forward to the day of our redemption. We have God’s promise. Our fellowship lost at the fall will be restored.

My own case is totally different from OP, before I got my job I aways think about marriage but after gotten the job story change ooo, infact I don't even know the defination of marriage again. Singularity point sweet baje baje.

Logicboy03: I have read the bible for lots of years bro.....

The major problem with many christians today is this your post.
Truely "Bible" is the word of God we only have faith through reading & meditation in the word but without the Holy Spirit the light of God can not shine on us.

90% (though I might not be accurate) of christians today are just Bible reader and church goer.

If we strive to understand the Holy Sprit, and how God’s Spirit functions, we can become master sailors in the sea of life, powered by wind of God’s Spirit, rather than our own power and strength. Many Christians try to sail the ocean of life in their own strength and power, they miss the dynamic power of God Spirit, which is within every saved person.

The Activities of the Holy Spirit that make us a true image of God
1.Revealing
Following the fall, our ability to know and understand God, let alone ourselves was damaged and corrupt. Apart from God, we could not even know who we are, or where we came from. This “blindness” is demonstrated by the thousands of different theories and religions, which have developed over the millennia. How did we get here? Where are we going? Both science and religion attempt to find the answers to these questions. Did we come from nothing? Were we created by the Sun? Are we animals? The questions go on and on.
Only through God’s revelation of Himself, we could ever know who we are. Isaiah paints the picture of our lost condition, like blind men we grope along the walls. We are lost and without hope.
9 Therefore justice is far from us, Nor does righteousness overtake us; We look for light, but there is darkness! For brightness, but we walk in blackness! 10 We grope for the wall like the blind, And we grope as if we had no eyes; We stumble at noonday as at twilight; We are as dead men in desolate places. Isaiah59:9-10
Without being aware of our condition, our need for redemption, and the provision for salvation, we would remain in the lost state. Just having the word of God is not enough, we are still blind without the Holy Spirit’s light.

2.Redeeming
Before we can be redeemed, we need toknow we need redemption. The problem for many, who rely on their own works, is they have a false sense of security. They don’t see their need of redemption, as far as they are concerned, they are not lost.
The Holy Spirit has a two-fold part in redemption, first the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin , then the Holy Spirit leads us to repentance of sins . We can’t repent if we don’t think we need repenting. In the same vain, we limit the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives, once we rely on our own righteousness

3. Indwelling
Once we realize we are lost, and need redemption, the Holy Spirit leads us to repentance, and salvation. Then the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our bodies, because we now have the righteousness of Christ. We are “Born Again” of the Spirit (John 3:3,6,, our bodies are now the Temple of God, because God’s Holy Spirit dwells in us (I Cor. 3:17).

4. Transforming
18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. 2 Cor.3:18
Our goal is to reflect Christ, we can only accomplish this when we yield to the transforming power of the Holy Spirit.

How often is the Holy Spirit of God dwell in you?

Apart from science confirms the Bible the evidence of a creator is too obvious in the universe.

How can I learn yoruba pls?

Kay 17: To clear a few things.
Most theists frequently make heavy weather about chance.

Yes because that's what atheist claim even though they intelligently performed most of their experiment.

Probability is the consideration for hidden variables, it does not mean they violate immutable physical laws. A projectile is still governed by physical laws, yet there are variables which we can't compute em all. So u wldnt know the exact points it wld land.

Is that the defination of probability?
@bold- You will know especially in the case of amino acid for life all are left-handed acid. It's like tosting a coin 100times and get "Header 100times". Can you call it chance or conscious intervention?

The experiment was successful, because its results are: it is probable for building blocks of life to arrive in this certain condition.

Yes the experiment was successful in the lab under certain condition which in essence of real nature those condition can never be met or refuted to the formation of life.

Kay 17: ^^
I don't just see how an intelligent being can operate/manipulate without an environment. An intelligent being must work within an environment, he must first understand how the environment works and then manipulate it to fit his own desires.

Remembet an intelligent being was created by chance! But anything he/she does must require intelligence and not by chance.

Hence the environment functions and can be understood independently from the intelligent being.
Miller's experiment focuses on whatever combination of chemical compounds possible at that time, in which life building blocks can arise. His selective method of singling out particular compounds is to that end. Miller's aim is understanding his environment.
Its like mixing hydrogen with oxygen just to see its end product (water apparently).

You're always prove to be logical! It was stated clearly at the beginning of this post that "miller-urey experiment is not to create life but to simulate the necessary biochemicals needed for life." but many textbooks and evolution scientist promote his work as a basis of life.

By the way, how life began in universe?

Because the scientific evidence contradicts the origin of life by natural processes, Miller resorted to unrealistic initial conditions to develop amino acids in his experiment (no oxygen and excessive energy input). However, there is more to the story. Producing amino acids is not the hard part. The difficult part is getting the right type and organization of amino acids. There are over 2,000 types of amino acids, but only 20 are used in life. Furthermore, the atoms that make up each amino acid are assembled in two basic shapes. These are known as left-handed and right-handed . Compare them to human hands. Each hand has the same components (four fingers and a thumb), yet they are different. The thumb of one hand is on the left, and the thumb of the other is on the right. They are mirror images of each other. Like our hands, amino acids come in two shapes. They are composed of the same atoms (components) but are mirror images of each other, called left-handed amino acids and right-handed amino acids. Objects that have handedness are said to be chiral (pronounced “ky-rul”), which is from the Greek for hand .

Many of life’s chemicals come in two forms, “left-handed” and “right-handed.” Life requires polymers with all building blocks having the same “handedness” ( homochirality )—proteins have only “left-handed” amino acids. . . . But ordinary undirected chemistry, as is the hypothetical primordial soup, would produce equal mixtures of left- and right-handed molecules, called racemates . This is a very puzzling fact. . . . All the proteins that have been investigated, obtained from animals and from plants from higher organisms and from very simple organisms—bacteria, molds, even viruses—are found to have been made of L-amino [left-handed] acids.

The common perception left by many textbooks and journals is that Miller and other scientists were successful in producing the amino acids necessary for life. However, the textbooks and media fail to mention that what they had actually produced was a mixture of left- and right-handed amino acids, which is detrimental to life.

Scientists still do not know why biological proteins use only left-handed amino acids.
The reason for this choice [only left-handed amino acids] is again a mystery, and a subject of continuous dispute.
Jonathan Wells, a developmental biologist, writes:
"So we remain profoundly ignorant of how life originated." Yet the Miller-Urey experiment continues to be used as an icon of evolution, because nothing better has turned up. Instead of being told the truth, we are given the misleading impression that scientists have empirically demonstrated the first step in the origin of life.

When considering how life began, there are only two options. Either life was created by an intelligent source (God) or it began by natural processes. The common perception presented in many textbooks and in the media is that life arose from nonlife in a pool of chemicals about 3.8 billion years ago. The claim by evolutionists is that this formation of life was the result of time, chance, and natural processes. One widely used example of how life could have formed by natural processes is the Miller-Urey experiment, performed in the early 1950s.
Miller’s objective was not to create life but to simulate how life’s basic building structures (amino acids ) might have formed in the early earth. In the experiment, Miller attempted to simulate the early atmosphere of earth by using certain gases, which he thought might produce organic compounds necessary for life. Since the gases he included(water, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen) do not react with each other under natural conditions, he generated electrical currents to simulate some form of energy input (such as lightning) that was needed to drive the chemical reactions. The result was production of amino acids. Many textbooks promote this experiment as the first step in explaining how life could have originated. But there is more to this experiment than what is commonly represented in textbooks.

When we examine the purpose, assumptions,and results of the Miller experiment, there are three critical thinking questions that can be raised:
1. How much of the experiment was left to chance processes or how much involved intelligent design?
2. How did Miller know what earth’s early atmosphere (billions of years ago) was like?
3. Did Miller produce the right type of amino acids used in life?
The Method Used
In the experiment, Miller was attempting to illustrate how life’s building blocks (amino acids) could have formed by natural processes. However, throughout the experiment Miller relied on years of intelligent research in chemistry. He purposely chose which gases to include and which to exclude. Next, he had to isolate the biochemicals (amino acids) from the environment(mostly in the presence AIR) he had created them in because it would have destroyed them. No such system would have existed on the so-called primitive earth. It appears Miller used intelligent design throughout the experiment rather than chance processes.

The Starting Ingredients
How did Miller know what the atmosphere was like billions of years ago? Miller assumed that the early earth’s atmosphere was very different from today. He based his starting chemical mixture on the assumption that the early earth had a reducing atmosphere (an atmosphere that contains no free oxygen). Why did Miller and many other evolutionists assume there was no free oxygen in earth’s early atmosphere? As attested below, it's well known that biological molecules (specifically amino acid bonds) are destroyed in the presence of oxygen, making it impossible for life to evolve. In the atmosphere and in the various water basins of the primitive earth, many destructive interactions would have so vastly diminished, if not altogether consumed, essential precursor chemicals, that chemical evolution rates would have been negligible.
Therefore, in order to avoid this problem, evolutionists propose that earth’s first atmosphere did not contain any free standing oxygen. We must ask ourselves, “Is there any evidence to support this claim, or is it based on the assumption that evolution must be true?”
There is no scientific proof that Earth ever had a non-oxygen atmosphere such as evolutionists require. Earth’s oldest rocks contain evidence of being formed in an oxygen atmosphere. The only trend in the recent literature is the suggestion of far more oxygen in the early atmosphere than anyone imagined. If we were to grant the evolutionists’ assumption of no oxygen in the original atmosphere, another fatal problem arises. Since the ozone is made of oxygen, it would not exist; and the ultraviolet rays from the sun would destroy any biological molecules. This presents a no-win situation for the evolution model. If there was oxygen, life could not start. If there was no oxygen, life could not start. Michael Denton notes:
Because life could not have originated on land, some evolutionists propose that life started in the oceans. The problem with life starting in the oceans, however, is that as organic molecules formed, the water would have immediately destroyed them through a process called hydrolysis . Hydrolysis, which means “water splitting,” is the addition of a water molecule between two bonded molecules (two amino acids in this case), which causes them to split apart. Many scientists have noted this problem.

OLAADEGBU: Don't be a nescient. Those processes that started in the days of Noah's Flood were not visible when Noah received His commission. If Noah had doubted God what do you think would have been his fate by now?

"the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" (2 Peter 3:6).

Hi OLAADEGBU,

How are your days being and hope you receive my PM?
Take care!

Emusan

ooman: Creationists thoughts differ from that of evolutionists. You think 93% of scientists at NAS that are evolutionists actually base their career on something baseless?

we have proof for spontaneous formation of dna, but because we haven't made life yet, you and your kind have the upper hand here. Enjoy it, till we make life, then you will gnash your teeth.

Why won't it differ? See childish talk. But remember we have the same planet, universe, sun, water earth e.t.c which stand as evidence/proof for everybody.

Is it not Miller and Urey experiment? Mixture of (L-amino & R-amino) while every living things use only L-amino. Produce LIFE until thy kingdom come.

See don't derail this thread. This thread is purely on INFORMATION (immaterials) in nature which prove materialism wrong that nature doesn't contain only matters.

Another thread is coming about LIFE wait till then and grab your copy.

Kay 17: I expressly told you Mathematics/Mathematical truths have NO cause or creators, yet you ask me about a founder?!! Puzzling.

I try to protect your ignorant you seems adamant. If mathematics/Mathematical truths have no cause or creator according to you and it's true about nature then you gave more meaning to this thread by asking these questions,
*how come it exist an information? So it comply with the four attributes of UDI.
*And how come evolutionist says nature contians only matters? because if math has no cause or creator and can't be seen it must surely be immaterials.

As I said earlier, if mathematical truths determine the relationship and nature btw space, time, etc; how is it possible for such truths to be human inventions. If 1+1 = 2 is a human invention, then I can reinvent 1+1 to mean 23!

Go ahead to manipulate it and let's see how you can prove it.

The independence is glaring. Your UDI definition ought to be in the gutter.

I'm not sure you're a science student, how can you say a Universal law is invalid by mouth or because you're opportune to hold a keypad without proven it wrong first! You need to do some check up.

ooman: Those whom you quoted are creationists and they do the world no good.

I know that's what you will end up with.

Afterall I can support my claims with something. Who says you shoudn't quote atheist? My greatest concern is just support your claims with universal scientific laws.

Remember, in the beginning you requested for a source and I reply you, and said you will say it's a Christian site. Can you see now?

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ooman: whatever information you think is in the dna was never written by anyone.

I repeat , for you to believe information is in nature prove atheism wrong!

coding dna has being shown by experiments that it can spontaneously form.

Dr. Werner Gitt & Dr. Lee Spetner says "Not even one mutation has been observed that adds a little information to the genome. This surely shows that there are not the millions upon millions of potential mutations the theory [evolution] demands."

Two biologist have once said: "DNA is an information code. . . . The overwhelming conclusion is that information does not and cannot arise spontaneously by mechanistic processes. Intelligence is a necessity in the origin of any informational code, including the genetic code, no matter how much time is given."

For your own good, anytime you want to present a logical view always support it with name(s)/law(s) of scientist. If not don't even border to comment.

Kay 17: You never asked me to define mathematics, rather you asked for an example which I gave you.

Read page 4, I know you're always carried away whenever you're reading.

The big error you are making obviously out of ignorance is believing mathematics is a human invention. It is similar to believing Reason is man made.

Where your own ignorance now pass my own is when you believe mathematisc fall from heaven.

Mathematics is abstract language of the Universe. That alone removes it from simply being an invention of man. Math dwells on the characters of space, quantity, structure and even time. The signs + - = are mere axiomatic symbols.

This particular portion of your post really shows that you're not a science student.
@bold-Math is what true about nature that no man can change. Axiomatic symbol by who? You started this with 'Mathematical truth' which I made a comment base on mathematics but you said you're talking about 'Mathematical truth'. Now you base your explanation on mathematic but let me agree with you.

You said 'it is abstract language', i said 'it is independent of experiment' what is the different between them? because I include 'human thought' can human do without thinking? I got the defination from Robbert Tubbs who wrote "mathematics concept and its origin". Is there anything in this universe that doesn't have origin?

And as I always said they are unalterable by man, you can't change + to minus (while expecting that to function as an addition) and expect a different result.

Please leave this atheist life an seek for wisdom is affecting you negatively. Anything that goes up must surely comes down. It's an abstract language in universe but who define it or can you change it? Whether you like it or not the +, -, 1, 2, 3 e.t.c are human symbols to carry out intended purpose. I will ask you again, who are the founder of mathematics?

Your information definition is bad and insufficient! I love yvonne is definitely information, yet it isn't covered in the definition.

I have made it cleared that all my claims about information are from UDI (Universal Defination of Information).

If you like continue using the word to deceive the girl, I don't care! once it's outside or lack one of the four atttributes of information, is not an information by UDI.

wirinet: You above quote is funny. I said pick up a book to see the proofs and evidences provided. I did not say pick up a book and believe unsubstanciated docrines. You are allowed to reject proofs presented and present an alternative theory, and if your thery correlate with observations better than existing theorem, you will become famous.

You too pick up a Bible and you will see evidence of God existence.
You think you're the only one reading science textbook/christians are born with Bible.

Your lack of basic scientific knowledge coupled with pre-programmed religious indoctrination is hampering your understanding of how the universe works.
Your above definition of information only applies to information technology(IT), it cannot be applied to fundamental science. On the most basic level information is energy, a pattern than can be produced first, tranfered from one point in space to another or through one medium to another then interpteted to achieve a desired result. First a pattern is formed, it might be a sequence of molecules or 1 and 0s. an energy source is responsible for the arrangement of patterns, then the pattern must be transported from its source to another medium or space. From the new medium the message must be demodulated and interpreted and then used in a way to achieve desired results. without the intetpreter the information is just random pattern that is useless.

who I am to define information, according to "Universal Defination of Information (UDI)" is my source. If not because you've been deluded with your atheism you won't say information is aplicable on IT only.
Laws of information was formulated in 2006, by many informational scientists for both human code and machine language lead by Dr. Werner Gitt. They gave four attributes for information which are: code, Meaning, expected action, and Intended purpose. And anything outside or lack one of these attributes isn't information.
Prior to the discovary of DNA code in living things, atheist, humanist, and evolutionist have made us to understand that nature contains only matters (mass/energy). This DNA code has found its way complied with the four attributes of information, make scientists believe that all living things carry informations in their DNA.
Let me just quote some laws of information though there're many.
*All informations can be trace back to an intelligent source/sender.
*Materials can not generate immaterials.
*Informations can not be generate in statistical processes (No amount of time given and CHANCE available that can generate a meaningful information). All these laws are from UDI.
Let's ask oueself these questions.
*human DNA carries a meaningful information, according to first UDI law quoted above "all information can be trace back to an intelligent source, Which intelligrnt source/sender can will trace DNA information back to?
*Nature contains matters only according to materialism, but secong law says materials can't produce immaterials. How come information is in nature?
*atheist said nature happened by CHANCE, third law said no amount of time given and chance available that can generate informations, Nature can't happen by chance!

There are no three entities anywhere, the universe consists primarily of energy and the interractions of harmonics, quanta, packets of this energy.

I cite an example above. Information doesn't depend on energy to exist.

how can information exist without an energy source, even with your basic IT definition, you need an energy source to create, install and decode the software.

Mind you information comes before anything (you think to act not that you act before you think). Thoughts & Will are product of information they are immaterials.

Are you sure you know what you are arguing about? DNA does not contain code similar to the humam code, DNA is the code itself (pattern of molecules), that is the blueprint for the human and all of life itself.

It's you that didn't know what you're arguing about. Browse DNA codes are similar to human codes that's why it contains four attributes of information.

ooman: just one question...
can the motherboard of a computer self-replicated?

I'm talking about design you're talking about replication.

But the semiconductor inside each transistor do bahave like cells in our body.

Once again DNA is not information it contains information. DNA contains code's that has a Meaning to carry out expected action to meet up intended purpose.

By the way I'm not talking about replication I'm talking about the information that DNA carries which has been comfirmed to be found within the four attributes of Universal Defination of Information ( UDI).

Who wrote those information? If you can't answer the question never bother to comment and I will close the thread.

ooman: olodo, but you are the claiming immaterial exist as information and that is what i subscribed to.
dna as information (immaterial) exist, in a sense, but it remains material and was not sent.

You're my boss nah!

Yes I claim it which is true according to UDI.

@bold- who is olodo now? DNA contains information read more about DNA before coming here and spit nonsense.
DNA as information (immaterials) in a sense, but it remains materials by you. So all these days of my explanation about information you can still spit this rubish, I'm highly disappointed in you.

Does DNA code similar to human's code?

Looking at a Motherboard of computer system, can it happen by chance?
Can window7 OS happens by chance?
And you will dicsover that all these has intelligence source 'human'.

Talkless of a human system that contains complex DNA code with large biochemical molecules to decode each code.

Kay 17: Mr Emusan

1. Whatever you have been saying

2. 1+1 = 2 2+2=4

OR maybe you should make a better and more coherent argument.

What is your problem? You main mention about 'mathematical truth' which I asked you to define but you couldn't provide a senesible explanation. Let me orientate you how 'mathematical truth' derives its name. "Mathematics-can be refers to as "human thought" that is independent of experiment". Meaning someone don't need to put it into experimental condition before it proves true, is called 'mathematical truth'.

Example: an object and another object are more than a object. But for you to express it in a clear and understandable way you must include human code.

1 is a figure generated by human
+ is a sign generated by human
= is a sign generated by human

All of these are human code to express HUMAN thought.
Remeber, thoughts are immaterials
Get wisdom Mr. Kay

Kay 17: ^^
You have faulty premises which I have disagreed to.

Give example

Mathematical truths have NO origins or causes.

What do you mean by mathematical truth? And give example.

I never agreed with your definition for information

I don't have defination for information everything I said about information is from UDI

I never accepted the resulting conclusion (immaterial begats immaterial)

Then you don't know anything about information by the way what do you understand by SOFTWARE?

Thus ultimately I don't agree that information leads us to a Creator

Do more research about information.

wirinet: Please pick up a book on quantum mechanics or better still google particles colliders experiments. These theories were not formulated, they are actually the results of experiments.

You said I should pick a book, when you were told God exist you request for an evidence they gave you Bible you said Bible is a myths Greek's book yet you want me to adhere to your own prove through a BOOK.

Please define information. what do you understand by information.
information is simply a pattern of energy that is transferable from one point to another or from one medium to another.

Information can be define as a Code(syntax) that has a Meaning for Expected Action to carry out Intended purpose. And these four keys words are the attributes of information. If anything lack one or found outside these four attributes in not regard as information.
@bold- Purely lie! Information is more than patterns but a complex and meaningful code generated from intelligent source i.e software, you can see how complex, meaningful, and tidious the codes are and arrange in orders.

All you three fundamental entities of nature are all energy. Einstein had already proven close to a century ago that E =MC2. I hope you know what that implies; that mass and energy is interchangeable.

First of all, for you to agree that nature consists three entities disprove your believe (atheism) because atheist believe nature compose only matters(mass/energy).

"Information can stand or exist without energy". Example; your computer.
Hardware (mass)
Software(information/spirit)
Battery(energy), so if you remove the battery it doesn't have effect on the software i.e erase the software.

The DNA is simply a pattern of molecules that allows self replication. The same energy that allows the sand dune to arrange its patterns is the same energy that allows the molecules to arrange itself into the unique DNA pattern.

Go and read more about DNA it contains code similar to human's code. So DNA is information.

Kay 17: ^^
If there was no time: no before or after and the Universe wasn't created, then there wouldn't be a time or a Universe.

Stop your nonsense cowardness to deviate from the very point of this thread. Answer my question and if you can't provide answer to it then stop bringing another topic here.

The topic is "information: evidence of a creator".
My question is "DNA information was written by who?" since materials can't generate immaterials as nature comprises only matters as atheist do claim.

ooman: Both

Are you kiding me?
But atheist do claim only Matters (mass/energy).

Ooman, see your life outside.