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Kay 17: ^^Who am I to give information a definition. Definetely you didn't read the link and read some comment on this post. According to Universal Definition of Information (UDI) object must find within these four attribute before being called information. *code *meaning *expected action *intended purpose your name just gives a description about you or give you a meaning, so if anything lack one out of these four attribubes is not regard as information. By UDI Information can be compare to software it can be created and destroyed that's what make it immaterials and it has been corfirmed that all living things carried information in their gene. So nature doesn't consist only matters (mass & energy) but also informations (spirit). That's why human being has a spirit. First Law of Information (LI1) Information cannot originate in statisticalprocesses. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available. I believe you'll understand better now. |
Kay 17: I love Yvonne is information, betrays a particular knowledge. However it is not a command. Neither are weather reports nor rain measurements.Hope you understand what you read in the post about four attributes of information. For your own good and clear understanding information can not be find in every object. Try to read more about information on that link. |
Toluwarni: Dude! I recorded that video my self... So please, don't say its edited, because you weren't there when it happenedYou don't know them before, if you provide evidence they will redicule it, if you don't they'll ask for it. I created a thread titled "Information: Evidence of a creator" many of them (atheist) ignored it. It's only ooman that try to stay but at the end he loose. So if you continue to argue with them they'll always find an excuse. For more details about creationist scientist that expose the hidden lies of atheist scientist search this link. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2 take your time to read all the message there don't rush it might take you more than a week never mind and give up. Thanks |
FOLYKAZE: People like you will say Ifa priest are fake and tricksters. But the problem you guys have is that you have not done critical investigation but follows every thing that works with belief. Though we have the fake ones like babalawo and all the fake juju men. But I have met Ifa priest that tell everything about me even when we are meeting for the first time. This same man will tell you your problem without you informing him. We got lot of them in the country but the fake ones have destroyed their dignity.Sorry oooo @redcolor, you're not an atheist because atheist presupposition are materialism nothing like spirit. Once you include spirit everything under it materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) are false which it has been proved wrong now. Nature does not make of only materials but with information i.e like the one you're proving wright now. For more enlightment about INFORMATION visit here http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator |
FOLYKAZE: People like you will say Ifa priest are fake and tricksters. But the problem you guys have is that you have not done critical investigation but follows every thing that works with belief. Though we have the fake ones like babalawo and all the fake juju men. But I have met Ifa priest that tell everything about me even when we are meeting for the first time. This same man will tell you your problem without you informing him. We got lot of them in the country but the fake ones have destroyed their dignity.Sorry oooo @redcolor, you're not an atheist because atheist presupposition are materialism nothing like spirit. Once you include spirit everything under it materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) are false which it has been proved wrong now. Nature does not make of only materials but with information. For more enlightment about INFORMATION visit here http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator |
Purist: That Skinny Kid had no "spiritual attacks", he was just a poor sick boy who needed lots of CARE.This thread is really interesting; Freethinker vs atheist. Who we win? I don't want to comment before but seen your quoted post make me comment. Somebody said a skinny boy "whenever the spirit came upon him, he will begin to do unusual things i.e carry heavy things. Yet you said "He sick and need to be taking care of" How do you define your own sick? I mean if someone sick. |
OLAADEGBU: Hi Emusan, did you get my pm?Hi OLAADEGBU, Yes, I'm so sorry I haven't checked it. I will reply immediately I check it. |
dare2think: Lol, why the agro!!!Why are you exagerate just to support your claim? Where did airplane crew throw the man out? Because airplane windows are unlike car's windows. Even if the one you entered has lock & hinge for closing & opening not at the mid-air we all know that. |
Kay 17: I don't understand why you'd believe all information are Commands. That's the major flaw in your "grandeur" OPOnce you find it comply with four attributes of UDI it's a command mr man. Because the third attribute (Expected action) make it clear, you might not need it at that particular time but it's there for a purpose. And try to visit the LINK too. |
ooman: keep deluding yourself! where did I deny information? even though you have mixed everything up, using human definition to define information in nature, I still played along because I find you amusing!Your new discovary word 'delude' everything to you is delude. Anyway you didn't get me right I said "No scientist ever say INFORMATION didn't exist" reread my post again. Once you agree with information then you're not an atheist because informations are nonmaterial. Haven't you heard that DNA code's are moreallelse like human's code. |
Emusan: I've said it before, one day atheist scientists will declear there's God. (Very funny thing argument between themselves 'supernatural' no 'supernatural'.) |
musKeeto: For egg with shell, soak egg in vinegar. Do yourself a favor and go through the thread before commenting. There's lot of information you won't get in a white house church....muskeeto God's grace and Mercy are still sufficient that's why you continue to say those words (signature) but a time is coming when Grace and Mercy won't be there anymore. I know you skip JOHN chapter1 before qtuotten and add your under statement. |
ooman: how can the bold make sense to you.Not that I don't want to reply you but discussing this topic with you is far beyond your comprehension because no scientist being atheist or creationist ever disprove information. Yes I said it, He made everything out of nothing (including you & I) because He has power over nothing. About your question ask yourself, does it contain four attributes of infromation mention earlier? If your answer is yes i will explain, if no 'no reply'. |
I've said it before, one day atheist scientists will declear there's God. (Very funny thing argument between themselves 'supernatural' no 'supernatural'.) We're moving toward it soon which is 'INFORMATION', they believed nature contains only two entities (mass & energy). Then what if the third entity can find its way in nature it means their assumptions is wrong (materialism) and everything that go with materialism is wrong (atheist, evolutionist, humanist). It has been confirmed that nature consists INFORMATION and information is nonmaterials(Spirit). The question now is where does this information come from? For more on 'INFORMATION 'click here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator Before I go I want to clear this with my Christian brethen's. Anytime you want to say anything about scientist please always make it clear the particular scientist you're talkin about because we have creationist scientist that believe in the existence of God Almighty and they've impacted more to this genertion. Thanks! |
ooman: ^^^ you think not taking you seriously means lack of answer. well, you are deluded. nothing you have said disproves evolution, on the other hand, it disproves god.@redcolor, if all what I've said didn't disprove evolution, philosophies of materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) get their presupposition from materials; everything in nature evolve from materials INFORMATION (spirit) never included. Then once INFORMATION can be trace and find its place in nature, what materialism meant for? Absolutely, nothing comes from nothing. But thanks be to God and to His glory for He reigns forever because God is a SPIRIT not NOTHING and He controls NOTHING that's why the whole universe including the person reading this post came into existence. |
ooman: This is why I told you to define what you mean by information in nature!I believe all my explanations right from the beginning of this thread is enough for you to know nature informations. Once again claiming nature contains informations prove your philosophy useless(evolution). You called striky to help you, over 100 viewers appear on this thread which I'm quite sure atheist are among but they know the reality of this thread is beyond their capability they decided to remain silent. Beside, did I say Bible is a science textbook? The time you're still reading Bible; have you found any science law(s) there? But it's for those who read Bible without carnal mind. OLAADEGBU has done enough justice to that in one of his thread titled "Science confirm Bible". Yes 100% assurance God is never a created being. He is the creator of the creations. Luke1:37 says "for with God NOTHING shall be imposible" before nothing there's always something which is the GOD Almighty. |
ifeness: In a sense you are right,but why do you use the term "creator God"? When it is obvious the bible refered to a race of beings ( the term gods was used according to the writer of the book of genesis@bolded; Which version of the Bible are you using? I'm sure if you're using KJV, NIV, Aplifier e.t.c you will see in Genesis capital letter 'G' at the beginning of God's name and singular name 'God', not in lower case with plural form 'gods'. So the God genesis is talking about is the Creator, omnipotent, omniscience, all purposeful God of everything and He's not part of the creation. |
ifeness: In a sense you are right,but why do you use the term "creator God"? When it is obvious the bible refered to a race of beings ( the term gods was used according to the writer of the book of genesis@bolded; Which version of the Bible are you using? I'm sure if you're using KJV, NIV, Aplifier e.t.c you will see in Genesis capital letter 'G' at the beginning of God's name and singular name 'God', not in lower case with plural form 'gods'. |
ooman: @boldI can't do that for you, if truely you want to know get a Bible and begin to read It (not with carnal mind). |
ooman: it is left to you to show how nature contains those 4I left yesterday because you don't have a concrete fact to support your claim. Firstly, for you to believe nature contains INFORMATION means you don't know what you stand as an atheist because EVOLUTION (which you rest your faith upon) only claim MATERIALS. So recent addtion of INFORMATION disprove the philosophies of materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist). One more time let me expantiate, INFORMATION is nonmaterial, it manifest the works of materials i.e water cycle, nitrogen cycle, circulation air e.t.c (that's why they will continue in the way their information is being passed), So for something to missed or added in materials new information has to come in i.e when God created everything it was perfect not untill new information came in when the Lord God cursed the earth. For human to evolve from apelike new information has to be passed into the DNA, for fish to grow legs new information needs to be added into the DNA, for rain to stop falling new information needs to come i.e in the case of 'Elijah' You keep saying information of nature it's within nature itself when nature happened by CHANCE. See the first law of information according to UDI (Universal Definition of Information). "First Law of Information (LI1) Information cannot originate in statistical processes. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available." Let me put more light, this law simply states that 'If happen to have billions upon billions times and billions upon billions [b]CHANCE it can never generate information, and remember NATURE happened by CHANCE. I hope my claim is clear "INFORMATION: Evidence of a Creator". |
ooman: Guy you are a joker.Anything that doestn't consist/or lack one of the four attributes of informations isn't an information either living or non living. Four attributes of informations according to UDI *code *meaning *expected action *intended purpose. |
ooman: If after typing those definitions with your own hand, you still ask your first question, then there is something mountainous wrong with youYes I asked the question and expantiate it how it against your presupposition (big b.ang & cosmos) Duh?? Sorry but I only proved your god wrong. Evolution never said a complex being can pop into existence from nothing, that's your claim and you just agreed its impossible, helping me prove the existence of god wrongNever I always claim from ages God is a spirit, might and all purposeful one. He created everything and He's not part of His creation. Using Bill Gate as an example is, he has an existing information (spirit) before he can generate those information. Remember my one of my quote (though you ignore it) I said informations can be found inside an information. He's Almighty Gos, He knows how He does His thing. |
You know I didn't support my prove with Bible but just let me quote this one so that you can have more ideas on how INFORMATION came into an existence. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created........ And God says "Let there be LIGHT....... Let there be....and it was so. See how informations is being generated! |
ooman: because of constant composition, nature can actually speak !! Now sue meYou're the one who refers to the "law of constant composition" I don't need to sue you because you yourself know that your claims are wrong. You want to browse internet again. Waiting...... INFORMATION the third foundamental entity of nature, where does it come from? All informations have a source/sender. |
ooman: What does the above mean??Use your brain sir |
ooman: How do i know they replicate?? Pls, am not a secondary school dropout like you. No offenseThank God I'm not. If nature is autotelic, why is it happened by chance? Because autotelic simply means "an event which have within itself to exist according to its own purpose" If nature is autotelic according to you, disproves big b.ang & cosmos theories. It can't happen by chance it must has a purpose. I know you borrow that word from English it never exist in atheist realm of science. And that makes him uncreated?? Like i said, because Bill Gate is not also part of a computer system means he popped into existence from nothing.Yes, He's uncreated entity because He's an omnipresent, all powerful God. Again you have proved evolution wrong (all man evolve from apelike). Bill Gate cannot popped out of nothing. So you do not of the branch of science called informatics and you want to debate information with me?? Duh??[/qutoe]I've clearified myself about that. Whats my business with your God, stop bringing him to debate with me.Your headache business with Him is to disprove His existence in all ramification, that's why you keep parading on religion section everyday. Mass and Energy and Information and part of an autotelic natureThe INFORMATIONS that contains in the formation of the universe came from where? because according "First Law of Information (LI1) Information cannot originate in statistical processes. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available. By UDI" Whatever, softwares cannot create hardwares from themselves or nothing. Immaterial God cannot create material from himself or nothing.For sure, but remember hardware cannot come to an existence without software first, and hardware cannot continue to perform its action without software. Law of constant compositionSee what law of constant composition mean "The law of constant composition is a chemistry law which states samples of a pure compound always contain the same elements in the same mass proportion." How does it relate with your claim "spontaneous"? According to you it means they replicate. Then see what your law stated "samples of a pure compound always contain the same elements in the same mass proportion." meaning they don't replicate. Again does nature a PURE compound? I know you get confuse about this thread that's why it took you so long to reply. |
PhenomenonVFX: What is this dude talking about? Is ur desperate desire to ameliorate ur logical failings the reason why u are just making pointless propositions? That last bolded line was not well thought out by you. You were the one who opened a thread where u tried to throw pseudoscience in our faces (while trying to sound well informed on the methods of science and trying to seem logical) then when ur attempts were revealed for the logical flaws they are, u proceeded to start quoting from ur holy book; which didnt convince anyone here. Now that I have called u out for it, u decided to abandon the reason u opened the thread in the first place to go after the person who mocked u for it. And for all ur attempt "Don't just jump into a debate start from begining" was all u could say?Yes I open the thread, then @ your bolded it still shows in your post @redcolor. Apart from 'muskeeto' that I quote with verse where did I quote verse(s) according to #redcolor? And I have also explained this in my previous post the reason why I quoted him, and you can see his respond. What are my responses to ooman's fallacies, why can't he states those laws that supported his claim and the name of the scientist? |
musKeeto: Throwing questions in the air, i see.. just like praying...Yes, so that you can understand where I'm going. If you can't answer them just say yes, beside those questions needs a very simple answer YES or NO! But because truth is so far from atheist they will be twisting or prolonging matters. |
musKeeto: Throwing questions in the air, i see.. just like praying...Yes, so that you can understand where I'm going. If you can't answer them just say yes, beside those questions need simple answer YES or NO! But because truth is so far from atheist they will be twisting or prolonging matters. |
striktlymi: This is so cute...I guess you did not quote anyone either?I quote 'mumumugu' to ask my questions base on my view you can see I gave another example, does it include quote too? Can't you just understand my post? I suppose quote 'ifeness' too but I believe a knowledgable read will understand what I put up there. |
striktlymi: Hi Emusan,Is like you didn't understand my post, try to reread it. By the way I didn't address anybody I simply ask questions. So if you can't answer my question simply allow someone that can answer it come rather than misleading yourself. |
mumumugu: In summary, science is the forbidden fruit , say no to science. Say no to technology. Say no to internet ,say no to nairaland.This type of statement always shows that atheist are very bias in their argument. Answer these questions: 1. Do all Christians are born with Bible? 2. Do all scientists are atheist? 3. Do all atheist are scientist? 4. Do we have anything like creationist scientist? 5. What are the achievement of creationist scientists over the years & present age? I have seen in some atheist post like "scientist provide medicines yet they claim science is wrong" Nobody we ever claim science is not true (because it effects can be seen everyday) but as the OP claim we have science that are GOOD and BAD. |
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