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manmustwac: Can't you just prove that God exists outside of your imagination instead of calling us non believers fools

You call it imagination! How would He/She explain when you people fail to believe in all sort of miracles that happaned here nad there.

Big b.ang/cosmos theories are they not works of imagination that rest upon faith?

Lilimax: You are just Ignorant- Jesus' death was prophecied by many Prophets of old-Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel etc. Time may not permit me to go in details.

My sister you don't need to argue with these atheists because is one of the weapon devil is using to sweep away God's word in our heart. They know the truth but decided to streched it base on their personal hatered to God.

FOLYKAZE: Here we see the Son of God {Jesus} failing basic biology: He doesn’t know what the heart is for.
MT 15:18 But those things which proceedout of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
MT 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evilthoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.

ROM=Heart component of a computer.
PROCESSOR=Brain component of a computer.

An assignment for you, which one control each other?

To understand Bible is not by carnal mind but by spiritual mind which some scientist failed to implore in their research.

@ OLAADEGBU, well done. I believe atheists know the truth but decided streched it just because devil has blindfolded their mind.
II Cor 4:4 says "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them". Even Bible prayed for them so that they can see the light.
I would like to quote Stephen Hawking here in one of his book.

Stephen Hawking: "Existence [prior to the Big b.ang] can be ignored because it would have no observational consequences. One may say that time had a beginning at the big b.ang, in the sense that earlier times simply would not be defined...One could still imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big b.ang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big b.ang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big b.ang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator...".
So what does it mean if the modern origin myth, unlike almost every other in the past, is not based upon the action of a Divine being? Has modern man lost all ability and desire to have faith? Must he believe things based solely upon reason, that is, what can be proved with rational thought and scientific proof? At first, it may appear so. Many people like to imagine that science and reason are incompatible with faith. In fact, many people simply like to imagine that modern man has deteriorated in his capability for irrationality and imagination. However, these modern theories, like the big b.ang/cosmos theory, are incredible works of imagination! Surely, they find their value in their correspondence to experential fact, by what science can prove, by what it can predict, but it came from one man's mind! These theories do not explain everything! In fact, some of them open up more mysteries than they can't solve. [b]It is upon faith which theories like the big b.ang/cosmos rest. We have faith in the matthemtical systems which derived it; we have faith in the observations which confirmed it; we have faith in the laws of science which supported it. In the end, we have faith in ourselves, in our own capabilites of reasoning and imagining. We have faith in the human being. The big b.ang/cosmos theory, while it differs in the fact that it is a stated theory (that is, open to debate and change) rather than a myth (like ancient lores, which were accepted as truth), is very similar to ancient cosmologies of the origin of the universe. Indeed,they all appear fantastical when we reflect upon them.

ooman: well, if those cells where arranged by someone, why then do they disarrange and cause madness and other diseases.

You didn't get me right, I said one can't base everything about spiritual on Bible you need to do some personal work. Just like someone that wanted to cast out demon and he was poiting the Bible without quoting any verse.

Is it only brain that can damage in humans body?

What I'm saying is this just like Intel processor, it contains more than millions of transistor just in a single 1mm square chip and is being arranged by human likewise somebody must be responsible for our brain too that contains billions of cells for you/scientist to reason well. Give God the glory for that.

back2sender: I stopped going to church because i prefer to be fair and just to humanity, people i see around than be honest to a GOD i cannot see. if everyone will be his brodas keeper the world will be a beta place

so you're just going to church without having personal encounter with God. Anyway I can blame you because that's what most christians do this day.

Do you think is easy to be your brother's keeper without the help of God? Some armed robbers didn't claim there is no God yet they commit crime likewise some terrorist. I heard a testimony in which armed robbers were saying human being are wicked ohh of which they send them to harm that person. So my brother is not easy to do without God.

What of .yahooyahoo guys? This figure isn't accurate.

ooman: I thought I had personal encounter with god too, but your visions are delusions. they are not real.

You don't, and if truly you have had encounter with Him definitely all atheist claims is wrong.

the stories you share are not complete, they are your failed attempt of explaining natural disasters. because it hurts you then you think its the spirit of your mothers sister chasing you. such is the dumb reasoning of the religious.
I would have to observe such situations myself before I can offer explanations.

You call it natural distasters! Anyway, all miracles will always look somehow to atheist. Before it happen everybody know something is wrong and it was reveal by the spirit of God the excert causes of the problem (which is the Rock/Tree) what kind of natural distaster that didn't affect buildings that sorunded the Tree & the road that beside it. I wish you were there you will give God praise.

am glad you know the bible is basically useless but its more damage to rely on mental conditions called revelations.

When did I say so?

you need to be healed from all mental damage god has caused you.

If I may ask you do all scientist claim that there is no God and why all atheist always hide under the work of science to justified their personal hatered to God?

I want to ask you again. Human brain consists more than millions cell, who arranged those cell? Because if anything happen to a cell(s) it can cause brain malfuntion.

ooman: ^^^^you are in a state of great personality disorder.

You really think the spirit world exist based on what exactly? the bible?

You know what i believe is true? That it is Sango who causes thunder always because the book of Sango worshipers say so and no matter what i now know to cause thunder, that is just a lie, it is Sango that causes thunder always.

How does that logic sound to you?

Mr. Ooman thank God you know something sango and thunder, and you know what causes it.
Concerning the story I share with you other time, what force responsible for those stories? According to your research on thunder because the stories is not an ancient myths.

One cannot basically rely on what the Bible says to conclude the work of spiritual realm unless you carry out some personal work. I personally have encounter with God.

@kambo, more grace to your reasoning. You really gave my signature meaning.

pseudonomer: What about "Do you saw her?" Is it correct?

Absolutely wrong! You need to replace 'saw' with simple form of verb 'see'.

Emmyk: Hey bro. This is slightly different...What's the rule for verb usage in past tense questions?. Watch my two examples.
1. Did you SEE her?.
2. You SAW her?.

In your examples number one is the most corrected one because it contains both auxilary verb 'Did' and the main verb 'see', and also fall in the group of simple past tense 'question tag' whereas the other one is like a final statement or confirmation statement not a question tag. (That is you are very sure the action was carried out).

So the rule is this:
(question word)+did+subject+simple form of verb.

Question word may be included or not included.
E.g when did you see her last?

ferdimako: You need to separate the everyday:I do go to school every day.

Thanks! It's an omission of a space.

Valentinooo: Thanks for ur response, i appreciate it. One more thing, which one am i suppose to use here? Do/did you need glasses?

Like I said before you use these two words ask yourself; is the action have been performed or yet to be perform?

If the action have been performed use 'Did' then if the action is yet to be perform use 'Do'.

ooman: To begin with, i must tell you that your ignorance is not an excuse for the existence of God.

I quite agree that there are many phenomenons in Africa that dont have scientific explanation YET, due to shortage of evolutionary scientists in Africa. Geysers that occurs in northern hemisphere also have many spiritual explanations given by the natives, until scientists told us what causes those phenomenons.

I am certain that once God is off our community and evolutionary scientists become many, we will start to understand our land much more.

I am also certain that your explanation of spirits is just as a result of ancient myths.

Ask yourself, do you sound reasonable with such explanations? No, you dont

Allow my ignorance to be controlling me I like it that way.

Shortage of scientists in africa is the one pushing white man to africa and begin to buy africa culture (statute) millions of Naira. Beside you haven't told me what white man used all those statute for.

My stories are based on ancient myths. So you want to tell me you have never heard of thunder strike remember I said it happened in my present not story story. Ofcourse I know if scientist were there at that time they will find something to say just the way they doubt miracles today.

Science of a thing you read it either on books or internet sir, and atheist do believe that most christians were born with Bible. I'm a computer wizard and also a building engineer I have read many books about science because I so much love science but no man I repeat no ma can ever tell me there is no God. So my brother you're not the only one that is scientifically oriented.

ooman: ^^^It irritated me so much that i couldnt comment at first
especially this:

Is this all what you can say?

What can you say to these?
I'm a native of Oke-agbe Akoko in Ondo state of Nigeria, you can ask any atheist in Nigeria to find out these story for you especially residing in south west.

There was a road that link my village to another village called OYIN. When they are about to construct this road a rock fall along the route where the road suppose to passed. The white man that constructing the road said "if the rock is being blasted the whole of this village would be wipe out with water because the evil spirit inside it is a spirit of water. In this village we don't have big river, or close to sea or ocean even about 3km diameter no river near us. Up till now that particular point is full of pot holes, if you like bring the whole asphat in this world and place it there in the next two-three weeks it will spoil again.

Another one, in 1995 something great happened also in my village along that road I was talking about just like 1-2km away from that very point there was a rock beside the road, (not along the route but a little bit close to the road) at that very point accident usually occur almost every week. Traditional rulers, christians, muslims are complaining and it was revealed that there was an evil spirit inside the rock but who will confront it, Nobody? Churches, muslims they begin to pray, the tradition people they do their own too. 1995 was the year that God save us from that evil spirit, what happened? Around 4:00pm it seems rain wants to fall, breaze up & down and the rain begins to wet the ground not up to ten minutes a powerful thunder struck and behold it hit the rock and pieces it. I couldn't go there but the people that went there says there was splashing of bloods on those broken stones. But there was a place you can stand and you will see the path that the thunder created anything along that path was removed being trees or stones it looks as if bulldozer worked there. That is how accident cease from that road.

Another one happened also at the main market there was a big three in that market though it's not the only tree there. It was revealed to some churches that this particular tree is bewitched it was thunder that uprooted this same tree. Surprisingly, under the tree we (I saw it with my naked eyes) saw pot, stove, spoons, bloods e.t.c because the tree has hole inside and the hole did not link to outside.

I was told about stories of thunder in that village too.

All these happened in the day time not overnight so don't think maybe it is people's handiwork and nobody knows that rain with thunder will occur that day.

I want your say because you said nothing like evil spirit & God.

This remind me of my project/research as an undergraduate Title "City planning as a means of Flood control". What we lack in Nigeria system is poor planning, though flood is a natural distaster which nobody can stop but can be control. Anyway let's make sure our gulters are free from dump refuse and people that are living in a flood plain should try as much as posible to construct wide & deep culvert.

Valentinooo: thanks for that. but can u pls explain the use of the verb DO as regard to asking question. e.g what do/did u eat this morning? I want to know when to use do/did/does when it comes to asking question

Do/Does they are simple present tense and simple present tense means something is true in the past, true in the present, and will be true in the future. Do is used with the subject I, You, They, We i.e I do go to school everyday, They do always eat rice on friday in these examples you will realise that both statement will be true on each cases, though using 'Do' here is optional(you can remove the 'do' and your statement will still look the same).

Does in the other hand is also a simple present tense but is being used with the subject She, He, It which is to add 'es' to Do, i.e Does your dog bite? Does sun rises from west and sets in east?

Why DID is just a simple past tense. Simple Past tense means something happened overtime i.e I did my homework 5mins ago.
Did/Do you eat this moring? In this case you want to know maybe the action is yet to be performed or the action is already performed so use 'Did'. Accurately, you can use present perfect progressive i.e Have you eaten this moring?

Note:- Present(Pr), Past(Pa), Progressive(G), simple(S), Future(F), Tense(T), and Perfect(Pf).
E.g Future Perfect Progressive is written FPfG.

Verbs tenses can be divided into three: Present, Past & Future. Each one can also sub-divided into four.

Present: SPrT, PrGT, PrPfT, and PrPfG.

Past: SPaT, PaGT, PaPfT, and PaPfG

Future: SFT, FGT, FPfT, and FPfG.

1. How do I make SPrT?
If the subject is I, You, We or They-use simple form of verbs (simple form of verbs is just the present tense of verb) i.e I go to bed at 10:00, They go to bed at 10:00.
If the subject is She, He or It-add 's' or 'es' to the verb i.e He goes to bed at 10:00, she usually walks to the store.

2. How do I make PrGT?
If the subject is I-use Am. He, She, It-use Is. We, They, You-use Are. +verb-ing. E.g we are studing grammar, Mary is learning to drive.

3. How do I make PrPfT?
If the subject is We, I, They, You-use 'Have'. He, She, It-use 'Has'
Has/Have + verb past participle i.e Lionel Mercy has won many football trophies, I have often wondered why Faith is always late.

4. How do I make PrPfG?
Has/Have + Been+ verb-ing i.e I've been cleaning my house since 8:00 this moring, John has been thinking about getting a new job.

5. How do I make SPaT?
Verb+ed or irregular past form(if the verb is irregular) i.e Ralph called his mother to wich her happy birthday, I studied french in college, irregular verb i.e Yesterday I cut my finger while I was opening a can of malt.

6. How do I make PaGT?
If the subject is I, It, He, She-use Was/ You, We, They-use Were.
Was/Were +verb-ing i.e were you sleeping when I called? I was studing all night for that history test.

7. How do I make PaPfT?
Had+verb past participle i.e When I got home, Seun had finished his homework, Beety loved Alabar soup because she had grown up there.

8. How do I make PaPfG?
Had+been+verb-ing i.e When Tope finally arrived, Tolu had been waiting for 20 minutes, I was exhausted, I had been walking for the past 2hours.

9. How do I make SFT?
Can be made two ways: a) with will, b) with be going to.
With will:- will+simple form of verb i.e John will be here in a second or two.
With be going to:- if the subject is I-use 'Am', He, she-use 'is', they, you, we-use'Are' i.e John is going to be here in a secong or two, Seun is going to do his homework after he eats dinner.

10. How do I make FGT?
Will/be going to+be+verb-ing i.e Ricky will be working at 3:00 tomorrow afternoon, I leave for Lagos on Sunday, and on Monday I'm going to be body surfing at cyprus.

11. How do I make FPfT?
Will have + verb past participle i.e When we get to the airport, Sunday's plane will have alreay arrived, I will have eaten dinner before I go to bed.

12. How do I make FPfG?
Will have+been+verb-ing i.e How long will Joy have been workin in the office when she retires?, I hope that wmen I get home tonight, my son will have been doing
his homework.

ooman: There is nothing like "hardcore" atheism. Atheism is simply the believe in no God and the use of reasonable explanation for nature. You cant get any deeper in atheism, the deepest you can get is to say that no god exist.
When any atheist stops being reasonable and think that god exist, then he has simply moved from disbelief to belief and has simply rejected logic and became newly insane.

However, there are hardcore worshipers. The deeper you get in god depends on how much you allow your brain to hallucinate. If you meditate long enough to hallucinate visions and become insane enough to speak complete gibberish in the name of speaking in tongues, then you are a hardcore xtian and its becomes wonderful when such people get free from their psychedelia and choose nature-atheism, because they had been healed from their delusions.

The man didn't say God does not exist if you read it with utmost mind. But because devil has looked for a way to snatch his soul he begins to see God as a wicked being. If God doesn't exist somebody like me won't say anything about Him. Science is real but claiming there is no God is wrong. By God's grace I have something to invent to the whole world soon but does that mean I must claim that God doesn't exist NO! Some scientist got it wrong when they are begin to reason abstractly. To the man I pray he will realise where he got it wrong and reconcille himself back to God.

I've created a tread like this before but the real interpretation is this.

"Peper pick race to hit my head"

hope you grab my point?

I'm not haapy at all with all these things that I didn't meet them when it is happening.

1. I blame Mary Mitchell Slessor for stoping the killing of Twins because people that gave me headache most are Twins.

2. Why they stop civil war? They should have allowed it to wipe out some generations before being stoped i.e Obj, IBB, GEJ they are giving Nigerians alot of headache.

3. I blame Lord Lugard for amalgamation. Next year Nigeria will clock 100years of amalgamation and nothing has come out of it rather it has created alot of political, ethnics, and religon crisis. I would have prefered playing Arewa, Oduduwa or Biafra visa lottery to inport tomatoes, onions or crude oil.

Lol... United we stand divided will fall...one Nigeria.

Question: Marring my age mate, Right/Wrong?
A=Right
B=Wrong
C=Both
Answer: C

You've concluded everything yourself. So my dear I'm strongly behind you because I know it won't affect me.

Billyonaire: What I recommend for you were NOT books, the fact that you call them books speaks volume of your cantankerous rebuttal of knowledge in black and white. Please I can not help you here regarding the concept of God and Spirituality. Should you want to know hardcore truth about the universes and how they came to be, create a thread on that, and I will prove beyond reasonable doubts that all is energy and was never created and that the doctrine of God and Devil is yesterday's facts and today's fiction. Religion is the enemy and you Africans are the victims.

The pantheism and the scientology so how will I get information about them if not on books or internet can you see yourself.

Answer the questions that I asked niflheim

Niflheim: When kids were allergic to cow milk in Europe,scientists identified the gene causing the allergy,extracted it,extracted the gene for human milk in a woman,put it inside a pregnant cow,it gave birth to a female which grew up,and VOILA!!!Now cows produce human breast milk!!!........................YET YOU SEE THESE RELIGIOUS GOATS CLAIMING THAT SCIENTISTS WATCH TO MUCH SCI-FI!!!IMAGINE THE INSULT!!!

Let me ask you these questions don't refer site for just answer.

1. How many cells does man brain contain?
2. How many transistors and other component does a processor has?

Even if you don't know the answer just guess

Billyonaire: The Bible is a good book, I have covered the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation, believe me if you will and disbelieve if it makes you happier. I moved on to other religions, more than 5 or major world's religion, cos I really needed to know what God is or who God is. I am in position to say, I know more than an average follower of a religion. Let's not digress to God factor, what I call, the Infinite Oneness. I recommend, Pantheism and Scientology to you.

@bolded
That is where your problems lies; looking for God up and down of which you can do in your closet.
Recommending books for my brother I have read alot of scientist text books both in hard copy and soft copy. Tell me you only read books not carrying out any experiment yourself that is the problem of nairanland atheist they prove christians wrong yet thay haven't carried out any of their own experiment just believe in what somebody like them says. Which make me know that atheist is base also on faith.

Billyonaire: You need to start reading and stop believing everything our fathers and great grand fathers told you, if our grandfathers told you a story that they were told, I am sure they will be very disappointed in us, if they wake up one day, and seeing advancements and developments in techies, and they ask us updates on whats possible in today's civilization yet we still get stucked in their fairy tales and repeat the same old stories they told us in ignorance. I refuse to believe the folktale. Are you pondering what am pondering ?

I won't because that is how you got your own facts I believe you never performed any work of science in your life. I'm a christian believing in Bible but I didn't just agree with it I did a personal research before I can stand before you that God really exist sir.

Billyonaire: I use the 'creation' context, cos thats the language that you people understand better. Energy can never be created nor destroyed.

So how come our body distroyed after death?

If I begin to spell out scienctist errors about the universe and evolution you will reason well but I'm not arguing with you anyway.

Billyonaire: but my confusion has been, the reason humanity was created with a body that can be perished by virus, bacterium and fungus.

"But you people said matter is neither created nor distroy"

Billyonaire: This has nothing to do with God or Devil, ofcourse, God and Devil are creations of Religion, the reality is different.

saying immortality is not about God, who then can make humans immortal if not God?

God didn't start any religion man started it all base on their wrong ideas of who God really is.

The flint: Whenever you get on naira land think b4 u write... One of the biggest problems the world faces today is population, creating humans is simply 'destructive science'.

'Food for thought man'

Mr thinker, so you mean without increasing in population they can produce humans flesh, bones e.t.c. God have mercy

MsDarkSkin: you have one more time to call me SIR despite seeing MS before DARKSKIN!

I have no answer to your question because I am not interested in how they do it..i am just against the idea of using a human brain and implanting it into a mechanical body which can be controlled.

I'm sorry refering to you as 'sir' but MS can means MicroSoft, Movie Starter, My Studio e.t.c

I thought you are in support of the idea.