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peterphd: Peterphd is a descendant of the first man who was ape-like. (don't try to be funny anymore jusy gimme answers)

Then what make you spit these statement:

So because evolution is not sufficient to explain the origin of man for now must atheists believe that creation occured as it is in a Jewish myth book? Nobody knows how we got here on earth

Now notice the bold.

I refuse to answer the question on the grounds that I don't know how humans got here.

You don't know how human got here, then how do you know you're a descendant of ape-like and what support your claim?

I am yet to see where the "common ancestor" theory has been refuted conclusively.

The research you read about refuted man from ape-like.

Then no more discusion unless you give me the evidence.


The same fossilized materials that archiologist use to assume ape-like human has been rendered useless simply means anything they use fossil for is in question.

Naoh doesn't need to carry the mature mammals and it's God that gave him the dimension.

Animals didn't evolve.

peterphd: Ape-like @emusan

Make your claim e.g

emusan is a descendant of Adam not ape-like.

peterphd: Ape_man

Nothing like ape-man, or do you have a link for it?

Is either Adam or ape-like.

Stop jumping up and down.

peterphd: I wish I could tell you so...I'm a descendant of the first man.I don't know if his name was Adam or orisha.I'll go for ape-like.

No answer!!!

fifa456n: Adam is mythical story of the creation, just like Yoruba's have theirs, the Egyptians, the greeks. The Adam and Eve are the mythical tale of Hebrews. Bible vindication of Yaweh is not evidence of his existence.

who ask you to tell story? Answer the simple question.

peterphd: By virtue of evidence found on earth in my lifetime, I tell you now that I'd go with evolution in preference to any creation story. Now answer my questions.

Don't be logical declare with your mouth, are you a descendant of Adam or ape-like?

fifa456n: Theists make the claim they must provide evidence, the burden of proof fall on them, if a man claimed an alien creature exists, he must provide proof, it would be illogical for him to tell people who lack a belief in the creature to provide proof for the non existence of his claim.

What evidence do you need again? They should go to heaven and bring God down or they should go to the tumb and put Jesus back.

Bible says all creations are witness about His work. Just click on my username and view most of my recent post.

Are you a descendant of Adam or ape-like?

peterphd: Maybe they showed them the true way,maybe.let's say man didn't evolve like most of y'all say.it then gives us some questions to answer.
1.who planted all the archaeological findings evolutionists use to back up their claims?
2.Noah's ark couldn't have contained all the animals we know so how come we have the so many different species of animals?? Evolution huh or God did a 2nd creation?
3.If its possible that animals evolved why isn't it possible for humans to evolve? Afterall we're all biological animals
PS: I'd love to get answers to the above since you say you know the origin of man and it seems like you just dodged the yoruba creation story issue.why?

All your questions have a definite answers but answer my question first.

fifa456n: The christian God is definitely is really crazy, read old testament especially. In other religions their understanding of God or gods vary. I admitted that i dont much, meaning like i dont know it at an advanced level yet and when i said not to keen i was rather saying the same thing i just said meaning i dont have an advanced level yet, still learning.

All what you're saying is just personal view of facts.
I ask you again, what is the best evidence for atheist to claim there's no God.

Christian says if you want to know maybe God exist or not join him/her with faith to receive the Holy Ghost but it's difficult for to do, now give me the evidence I will join you to verify the non-existing of God.

peterphd: I refuse to answer the question on the grounds that I don't know how humans got here.you may think you know the origin of man. That you were told the bible knows it doesn't prove it to be true.Do you believe the yoruba creation story?? If yes,then why is there no Adam? If no, how do you expect us to believe that of the Jews It doesn't take a soothsayer to tell that all these stories are made up.Besides, all cultures have their own story your name sounds like edo/yoruba.if you can't believe the one from your village why should you believe a story used to enslave our forefathers?

Now because evolution of man from ape-like has been refuted you can't tell whether you're Adam or ape-like descendant. See you life outside!

Whether you like it or not Adam or ape-like story is the only way that humans can ever came into being.

I wonder what you will claim when big ba.ng or cosmos will be refuted.

You thought they enslave our forefather but to me they just show us the true way.

musKeeto: Bible definition: Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.

Google:
Noun
Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

Merriam-Webster:
a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2
a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3
: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>



So which of these definitions would you pick to describe a belief in the 'non-existence' of an entity?

I will choose '2b' because it applies for both christian and atheist.

Logicboy03: I am just laughing at their ignorance

Yea continue but you believe in evolution and right in your front evolution of man from ape-like is being refuted. Then what give you assurance that other assumption about universe are correct?

Remember Earth's age was discovered through fossilized materials.

peterphd: So because evolution is not sufficient to explain the origin of man for now must atheists believe that creation occured as it is in a Jewish myth book? Nobody knows how we got here on earth or do you wanna tell me Noah went about looking for the over 20000 types of Micro-organisms to put in the ark? Do you believe that the exactly the same species of animals put in the ark are found on earth without any changes?? Open your eyes...evolution is everywhere.

@bold-please kindly reply me, are you a descendant of Adam or ape-like?

I know the origin of man.

mazaje: In one sentence you claim faith, in the other you talk about truth. . .Truth does NOT require faith. . .You have no truth and you know no truth, you only have faith. . .

Actually from every religion physical perspextive no one can conclude the true religion because individual religion have difference genesis and difference spiritual support.

The Bible says in the book of James 1:26-27 "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridieth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. 27-Pure religion and undefiled before God and the father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world". What does this mean? It means religion isn't bad at all (God knows about religion but all religions are base on laws which God knows that ordinary law can't save us any more), that's why Jesus could say "Matt 10:41-He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receive a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward".

Now the question to ask ourself is, what is the purpose and promises of those who started each religion?

Though He(Jesus) was in a man's nature throughout his life, we can say He's a prophet which makes christianity a religion. Like someone has said in the begin "if you say christianity is not a religion, you're right and if you say it's a religion that is for you"

The purposes and promises of Christ in the world can be summarize as:
1. To let the whole world to know there's only one true God who created Heavens and Earth.
2. To project every man's heart to know this true God.
3. To reconcile every human being back to God..by cruxifiction (Heb 9:22 "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission"
4. To make us Holy as they are in heaven...through His blood ("Heb 9:23-It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heaven should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these"
5. To make us have victory over sin and death.
6. He gave us the right way to reach heaven. ("John 14:6-Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the father, but by me"
7. He promises us the Holy Ghost.
NOTE: point 1 & 2 can also be found in some religion but no religion have ever met the standard of 3-7.

For instance, Jesus claim He is a son of God. 'Let's assume that He's lying in all His words'. But before He died He promised all His follower something. "John 14:26-But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost, whom the father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you".

A true Christian will feel and testify to the existence of God, that Jesus is alive and knows heaven and hell is true through the help of the Holy Ghost.
*I'm not talking about fake Christians*
Any Christian that has not been baptized with Holy Ghost isn't yet a Christian. This promise can be comfirm whether it's true or not.

NOTE: baptism of the Holy Ghost doesn't mean pastor must lay his hand upon you before it will happen. It will simply happen when you follow what Jesus said in "Rev 3:20-Behold, I stand at the door(heart), and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door(heart), I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." this is also another promise that can be comfirm.
Though I never read q'uran from front to back likewise others religions book but with the help of Holy Ghost I know that God exist, Jesus died and resurrected and Jesus is still alive.

I beleive you can catch something.

This is the only spiritual evidence to know that God exist, others religion can't claim this.

But I will just say let everyone hold on to what they belief but Jesus said in "Matt 24:14-And the gospel of the kingdom(truth) shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then the end will come"

God help us!

hisblud: This is what one new kid on the block emphasised that he does not subscribe to the evolution theory. I believe the genesis of their belief is the way to go to help them out of their quagmire.

I can't stop laughing!

musKeeto: What's faith?

Ask google!

cyrexx: Because there is no credible evidence to support the belief in God other than faith

Did you mean both spiritual and physical?

Beside you didn't answer my question. "If there's no credible evidence other than faith" as your evidence, then that makes atheist to rest on faith too as there's no physical evidence to prove non-existence of God.

This thread was created by 'Logicboy03' thought it will favour atheist.

https://www.nairaland.com/1309560/one-13-people-ape-like-feet

Though some atheist do claim they don't believe in evolution but all atheist can't do without using scientific evidence as a support of their atheism.

Then my question for you is, "according to Tracy Kivel's statement".

If this research is in implications for human evolution from ape-like. Can will trust evolution in any case?

Again if some atheist don't believe in evolution, what is the best evidence for atheist to claim there's no God?

fifa456n: First of all not all of atheists acknowledge evolution as it is, i am not too keen on evolution, but there is overwhemling evidence that we evolved from a common ancestor, missing link i dont know much about evolution yet, and btw just because something is yet to be known is not a reason for a supernatural "God of the gaps", in the future it is possible that such information can be fully revealed and understood by humans.

If I may ask, what is the best evidence for atheist to claim that there's no God?

Logicboy03: I dont believe in sin

Alright.

God will help us!

Logicboy03: Forgive me for what? Using my brain is now a sin?

Let me ask you this, do you believe sin do exist?

Using your brain is not a sin.

Logicboy03:

I give up.

Don't give up my dear, just go on your knees and ask for forgiveness from God and He will surely forgive you.

[quote author=*Kails*]

geeeze!![/quote]Please don't argue with them any more 'logicboy03 has exposed the secret of atheist.

See my post above

Logicboy03: see this one.....that was the title of the article and was explained further in the full article

lazy bones....read the full article

I didn't read the full story before, but thank God I did it now.

See the conclusion of the research the same report!

Tracy Kivell, a palaeoanthropologist from the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, said: "The research has implications for how we interpret the fossil record and the evolution of these features.
"It's good to understand the normal variation among humans before we go figure out what it means in the fossil record," Dr Kivell told BBC News

if God will expose things this is how it will be. Like I said early if you really understand the research statement you won't create this thread. Then why are you claiming what is not true.

Base on your thread titled "library for atheist" it truly means atheism is disbelief in God with personal hatered not because there's evidence.

How I wish all atheist can learn from this.

Logicboy03: A team studied the feet of 398 visitors to the Boston Museum of Science.

The results show differences in foot bone structure similar to those seen in fossils of a member of the human lineage from two million years ago.

It is hoped the research, published in the American Journal of Physical Anthropology, will establish how that creature moved.

Apes like the chimpanzee spend a lot of their time in trees, so their flexible feet are essential to grip branches and allow them to move around quickly - but how most of us ended up with more rigid feet remains unclear.
So, what explains this phenomena? Evolution or bible creationism?

@ bold- I believe if you read the news very well you won't post it because it doesn't favour evolution.

New Month joke LOl! the second one is not even silly as the one, they sent to go and touch fire maybe is solid and he rush go come back with a burnt finger.

I know some people will ignore these facts as usual, just make sure you have enough facts before you commet.

>The earth itself is revolving at a speed of 1000 miles per hour at the equator. If it were to revolve at only 100 miles per hour, night and day would increase ten times in duration, plants would be scorched in the day and seedlings would be frozen to death at night.

>If the atmosphere were thinner than at present, millions of meteors which are burned up in the air would fall to earth and cause terrible fires." {Wu, Questions Concerning the Faith , pp. 5-6. See also Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 163}.

>Liquid water, if it exists elsewhere, is rare. Most of the universe consists of flaming gasses or frozen desolation:

>If earth had just a little more water, continents would not extend above sea level.

>Had there been more CO2 earth would probably have remained to hot to host life, much like Venus.

>The most common stars in galaxy are - fainter than the sun and nearly 100 times more numerous - these are uninhabitable for other reasons. Our star is just OK! {Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 51-54, 270}

>Earth is situated at the right distance from the center of our galaxy. Closer to the center, there are too many deadly gamma rays and X-rays. However, a planet too far out from the center of its galaxy would not have a metal core which produces magnetism which is also helpful in protecting earth from harmful radiation. {PeterD. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 28-29}.

>If the moon were closer to the earth the tide would flood all lands even the high mountains. In addition, "Earth's climatic stability is dependent to a large extent on the existence of the Moon." {James Kasting as quoted in Peter D. Ward, Donald Brownlee, Rare Earth, Why Complex Life Is Uncommon in the Universe, 2000, p. 266}.

>If the earth were the size of its moon, its gravity would not be strong enough to hold an atmosphere; too large, its gravity would crush us to the ground.

Not only is the proportion of oxygen to the other gasses just right to let us breathe, but also to provide an ozone layer which stops the ultraviolet radiation which would otherwise destroy all life.

>If the ozone layer were too thick, not enough heat would reach the earth, if too thin, ultraviolet rays would penetrate and kill all life.

>If the earth's available oxygen, both in the atmosphere and absorbed in water were much less, animal life on land and in the sea could not exist. If there were much more oxygen, fires would rage out of control.

>While most materials contract when they freeze, water expands by about one-eleventh of its volume. This makes ice float on top of a lake, preventing the lake from freezing all the way through and killing all the fish.

Remember 'natural selection' does not apply here.

Mathematically if human's has been living on earth for millions of years per a pair "father & mother" the world population by now should be over Decillion after catastrophy, disaster e.t.c have been taking into consideration, but what we have today as world population is just over 7Billion.

ooman: ^^^you must be left to drown in the ocean of delusion in which you are already willingly swimming.

Is it all you can say upon your braging about scientific theories and laws?

Who is swimming in the ocean of delusion between you and I?

You held faith on what that can not be prove scientifically yet you're ranting for nothing. The major difference between you and Christian is that; Christian have hope of eternal life base on their FAITH but your FAITH promises NOTHING after your end.

See another law that disprove atmosphere formation in the presence of the sun.

sir Boyle's law states that; the greater the external pressure, the greater the volume of hot air, at constant temperature.

Sometimes you argue as if you're not a science student, anyway that's how you've been taught to answerable reputable facts.

ooman: cosmological journals tells of moon formation, just google origin of moons.

moons have water but in condensed forms.
some moons are more than 50% h2o in solid forms. I take it you understand liquids cant exist in space because of the lack of heat and gravity.

rocks and other planets are not sent off from the sun. the sun contains hydrogen that get converted to helium through fusion releasing heat and light energy that makes life possible. sun and other planets formed from the same matter, debris from a previous supernova, particules around the protodisk formed planets and asteroids. pls google solar system formation to read more. new solar systems forming have been observed, and since your god finished his own work in genesis, then its a lie, genesis never happened, if it did, then new stars wont be forming because Gen2 from 1 says everything was finished and completed.

These aren't the basis of this thread, there're more to this later.

you are still wrong concerning your cosmic ray-atmosphere saga.

Why can't you state the law(s) that disprove my claim or scientist have stop working with law? Instead of using your mouth to claim it's not true.

and your bible is certainly wrong too, the sun would kill all life forms if its exist in the sky as Genesis claims

Please can you tell me, how all lives will be destroy as genesis stated? Pls with prove.

Rather it is evolution that can wipe out lives because atmosphere can't form as cosmologist claim and if atmosphere couldn't form life can't exist.

Now answer me; if atmosphere vanish now, what will happen to all life?

the only truth I know is that there is no god

Anyway is your personal opinion which I term as personal hateress because scientifically is not true.

[quote author=brush_strokes]i think a person just have to be with no vision to commit suicide because if someone that will continue to live their own life and forget about your existence [/quote]I quitely disagree with you, some people fall into such situation because their power of reasoning is too low not that life isn't more relevance.

I've been in a situation like that, mine didn't just sucide.

[quote author=Unluvable*]So it's IQ related?[/quote]Not as you think.

'Power & Thinking' that I used quonote; the ability to calm down in distress to analyse the possible causes of the problem and find the best wayout or solution.

So when someone in such situation fail to subject him/herself into a serious analysis of the probable cause and best solution to it could end up that way.

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