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christemmbassey: i de follow o, but let me ask, what about the Holy Spirit?One of the work of Holy Spirit is to bring us to perfection either jews nor gentiles as explain by the Op. |
Logicboy03: Just seen the thread.....BullshytYes he did to conclude that "The search is still on, and a probable natural process is not far off." or maybe you skip this one too. To conclude this way means no more explanation due to lack of answer. Why can't he answer my simple question: how does life begin in the universe? "Life is just about 1% among the things that ever happened by natural processes in this universe-according to evolutionist". It took evolutionist less than 20 years to come to conclusion of how universe came into existence through cosmos/big ba.ng yet it is difficult for evolutionist for over 60 years now, to tell us how this small percent of life began in the universe. |
FOLYKAZE: Well im not a scientist so I dont think I should ponder stuff I dont know. Dont expect atheist to give you all answers. You cant expect me to tell you the origin of love or the origin of peace. You cant ask me the origin of language. I dont know and if you want to know, do your own research.You're not a scientist an you claim to be an atheist "atheism is the acceptance of reality.....by ooman" through what? Through Historical science. No wonder you argue blindly. Then you really make it clear that atheism is a religion. Childish question, *who created God? *Is God outside the time? *Where God get His own life? Bla bla bla. When you've been told many times that God is a self-existence being, omni-potent, omni-scient, all-purposeful, omni-present, highly intelligent. I know whenever your arguement is being retorted you people begin to ask these childish questions. The presupposition of atheist is there's no God or supernatural being who's responsible for the universe existence which has been disproved by Intelligent Design (ID) movement though they didn't attach it to the God of the Bible but they conclude there's an intelligent supernatural designer responsible for this universe i.e great spirit, braham, Allah, God, gods e.t.c whereas the founder of evolutionism didn't ask this type of question before he draws his conclusion that "there's no God" he only said so because of his assumptions theories about the universe. To call yourself an atheist and asking these childish questions means you believe there's God you want to see Him/show Himself to you to get some fact from Him. |
Logicboy03: Will check the thread later....must have missed itYou didn't miss anything because you atheist spend 90% of your time on religion section, so don't be logical here. Before you even check the thread, answer my question first. |
alexleo: My dear these atheists are just deceiving themselves and gathering claims upon claims to support their deceit. They have serially failed to prove that their is no God. Davidylan has slugged it out with them and they failed woefully. There was another thread here that also hit their useless believe hard and none of them could respond to disprove what the poster wrote just like they did in your thread. Most of them are just jumping around and claiming they are atheists yet they can't even defend what they believe and why they believe. To me you people should ignore them and their useless belief and continue to preach the word. Lift Jesus higher and those who want to accept him will do so for their own good while those who want to reject him can do so to their detriment. God bless you.You're right but sometimes they do think Christians are born with Bible forgotten that we both did science in O'level and continue till date. @bold- You've said it all. |
I created this thread with over 40views which I quitely sure that atheist are among but unfortunately no atheist can disprove it except only Kay 17 who tried and finally concluded "The search is still on, and a probable natural process is not far off." https://www.nairaland.com/1284416/life-cant-originate-natural-processes The question is: How does LIFE begin in the universe? |
mazaje1: Because some fringe group of scientist disagree with the dating methods means what?. . .They should show how wrong it is and win a noble peace price, what are they waiting for?. . .The age of the earth has been accurately measured to be about 4 billion years. . .Do you have any scientific method of dating that shows the earth to be 6000 years old?. . .Hope you know that ancient egypt was robust and existing about 6000 years ago?. . .Anyway, you've been carried away with your atheism. That's why I said you should do a research on the so called RATE group. Over the years evolutionist had made us to understand many thing but recently more light has been sheld on it which exposed the lies they're feeding us. |
mazaje1: Yes the do, its the same assumption they used to send men to space, send space observatories, send men to the moon and do many incredible things. . .The age of the earth has different methods of calculating it. . .And all produce about the same result. . .It is light from distant stars that is used to calculate the age of stars. . .Yea, they do incredible works over the years which we can see but no assumption of laws. The method introduce (radiometric dating) to calculate the age of stars, earth, fossilise materials e.t.c is full of assumption which it has been refuted by "RATE group". (Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth). The team of scientists included: *. Larry Vardiman , PhD Atmospheric Science *. Russell Humphreys, PhD Physics *. Eugene Chaffin , PhD Physics *. John Baumgardner , PhD Geophysics *. Donald DeYoung , PhD Physics *. Steven Austin , PhD Geology *. Andrew Snelling , PhD Geology *. Steven Boyd, PhD Hebraic and Cognate Studies. I won't give you any link but do the reseach yourself about-RATE group and radiometric. |
mazaje1: Where in the bible was it written that the earth was created 6000 years ago, and where is the scientific evidence or method of dating that shows the earth is 6000 years old?You can't see it because it will be very difficult for you to put "christians spiritual glass" on, if you can take your pen and begin to add from Christ - Noah - Adam then you can see where I got my age. You're saying scientific evidence! Do scientist have any evidence in calculating earth age or universe, rather than assumption? They dated it with assumption of speed of light and rigidity of time which are all flaws. |
Toluwarni: @EmusanGood of you! Let's continue to pray for them. Think of it we have the same facts i.e earth, fossils, moon, galaxies e.t.c but different presupposition. These facts start in the past and exist in the present with us. Then, how can we get the clear picture of the past? Then will must imploy a time machine that can record an event of the past, Chritsian do claim they have a time machine called "the word of God - Bible". Let me stop here! |
plaetton: HUH?Thread closed because I said Earth is about 6000years old, yes I can defend it anywhere. Though some pastors, bishops e.t.c go with billion years but mine is God created this universe about 6000years ago. |
mazaje1: The ancient egyptian and sumerian laguages were spoken over years 7000 years ago . Here is a link that gives a little history of human languages. . .The ancient eygptian language predates the hebrew language of the bible. . .Firstly, the year you wrote is more than Earth age itself because God created this Earth about 6000years ago. Lastly, go and read more about language and see how people choose a particular language. |
mazaje1: People from other cultures have been speaking their languages long before 2242bc. Even the Egyptian pyramids are older than 2242bc. Chinese civilization is much older than 2242bc. Get your facts right. So many languages were already in existence before 2242bc.State the year(s) they have been speaking the language and what asertain your claims. Don't quote me without support. |
@ Toluwarni-Please don't ever lose your faith our God is real. @Op- Your question may be summarise this way: What did the tower look like? Are there any records of Noah’s descendants found throughout the world after they left Babel? What about different languages? Renowned chronologist Archbishop James Ussher; placed the time of Babel at (2242 BC)106 years after the Flood, when Peleg was born. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan ( Genesis 10:25 ). Although this may not be the exact date, it is in range because Peleg was in the fourth generation after the Flood. The Tower of Babel has traditionally been depicted as a type of ziggurat, although the Bible doesn’t give specific dimensions. The Hebrew word for tower used in Genesis 11 , referring to the Tower of Babel, is migdal: a tower; by analogy, a rostrum; figuratively, a (pyramidal) bed of flowers. Interestingly, this word means tower but figuratively reflects a flowerbed that yields a pyramidal shape. This gives a little support to the idea that the Tower of Babel may have been pyramidal or ziggurat shaped. (emphasis added Is not a skyscraper building) When people were scattered from the Tower of Babel in the time of Peleg, they likely took this building concept with them to places all over the world. It makes sense that many of the families that were scattered from Babel took varying ideas of the tower to their new lands and began building projects of their own. Ziggurats, pyramids, mounds, and the like have been found in many parts of the world—from Mesopotamia to Egypt to South America. The ancient Chinese built pyramids and the Mississippian culture built mounds. Pyramids are classed slightly differently from ziggurats, as are mounds, but the similarities are striking. Though is not yet know to some scientists why these people decided to camp themselves in one place. Why did the people at Shinar build a tower? Some suspect that they were afraid of another flood, similar to the one that Noah and his sons had informed them about. However, Dr. John Gill casts doubt on this idea. So try to find out some hebrew words that were used in the Bible before you conclude. Thanks |
phemmy88: make dem no migrate come south oowhich south there? South-West, South-South, South-East. |
jonot: This is truly sad. and i dont understand why some people are using it as a basis to insult the Igbos. devilish deeds are done by all - white, black, brown, etc, as long as the fear of God is gone/absent. may God have mercy on our generation, that is so perverted & wicked & where the hearts of men are solely given to devising more evil deeds.You make sense alot! I'm a Yoruba, what is happening in our generation now it's only God that can help. |
Sorry I didn't read your post but this answer came as a result to your title. Send her to me with her kids. |
Just because of money. Mother's blood speaks more than that of Abel. |
@OP - First of all, how high is your spiritual life? I mean your relationship with Holy Spirit. Have you received Holy Spirit baptism? Forget about what unbelievers are saying, most chritians fail today because they have neglected the aspect of the Holy Spirit. I have a similar problem but in other way. In my second semester HND I, I involved in politics which drop my GP to Lower Credit during the end of same semester I was chosen as an EXCO in my fellowship which I don't have option than to drop my political ambitions. First semester of HND II, I don't have much time for book because of church activities during the exam I will just tell God , help me in this exam then I will choose like six topic and read it with my last strenght. The funny aspect of it is that any topic I choose must surely comes out that make some of my friends to always come to me that I should give them area of concentration. To limit my long story, that semester I be the first student to in my depertment to write DISTINTION not upper credit (it was the result that pushed my lower to upper again). The time I was pursing my political ambition with hard study I failed. It might work for me or other people but the fact still remain that you're a christian but what is your attidute and relationship toward God. Many people have been in christiandom today yet they haven't baptized with Holy Spirit without the Holy Spirit christian are nothing. No pastor will ever give you Holy Spirit they can only guide you and help you build your faith in christ, you need to seek for it yourself with an open mind because Holy Spirit searcheth the heart not our look. Pls don't lose your faith and hope in God, you might see people fallen on this forum never mind is in the Bible already. If God does not exist I won't claim He exist, I'm not a pastor I'm a practice engineer, I have read many science textbook both astronomy, evolutions e.t.c if not because I was baptized by Holy Spirit I would have become an atheist. Serving God doesn't stop me to become what God has destined me to be. God with US! |
Mudley313: Harvard researchers? but how come harvard nor publish the report themselves but leave am up to a satirical christian apologist site to so. looking closer, this article was published in February and says that the journal article would be published next month. It wasn't. well, what's new; the religious always claim things without providing any actual proof of anything. christians, must you resort to lies to try and prove your non-existing gods existence? smhHow many prove has evolutionist provided? |
ifeness: I do not think Yahweh of the bible is that intelligent. This is a proof that humans were genetically created by another race outside our beloved planet. Christians claimed Yahweh is a spirit, so that disqualifies him from anything related to matter/ physicality, unless thy wanna change their tones.@bold- Information in human being is a spirit "so human have spirit" Go through your atheist site is there. Like I always say one day evolutionist will declare there's God, though they will term it into another thing. We are moving closer! |
ooman: Give your life to the Flying Pig before its too late.Good evening Ooman, quite a long time? How I wish I could do that but I've already given my life to the living God, omnipresent, omniscience all-powerful, and all-purposeful one who has never failed me. Hope you have a nice weekend. |
Let's look at the remaining works of the Holy Spirit. 5. Filling The result of the transformed life, whichis yielded to the Holy Spirit is a “Spirit filled” life. We have the choice to live a transformed life, filled by the Spirit or a life spiritual stagnation. God gives us the choice to yield to His Spirit or our spirit. . 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Ephesians 5:18,22-24 6. Overcoming So if we are filled with Spirit, why do we still struggle? We are being perfected, not that we are perfect. We are in the process of transformation, day to day intothe image of the glory of the Lord (2 Cor. 3:1). Those times we sin, because of anger, lust, pride, covetousness, hate, etc. etc., are times we choose to not yield to the Holy Spirit. We are at war with the flesh, we have the choice yield to the Flesh or the Spirit. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Gal 5:17-18 6. Gifting We are all unique individual souls, each one us has a purpose and a part of God’s eternal plan. When we come to Christ, the Holy Spirit is the down payment or guarantee of our Redemption (Eph. 1:14). The Holy Spirit also equips the believer, giving each of us our own gifts, so we can accomplish the Lord’s work. 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. 4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. I Corinthians 12:3-5 The power and the gifts of the Holy Spirit, allow us to accomplish more than we would ever be able in the flesh. While the world looks at titles and pedigree, the Spirit looks at the heart, searching our real intents. When we are sincere, and pure before the Lord, we can walk in the power of the Lord. 7. Sending Before Jesus was taken into Heaven, he told His disciples to wait in Jerusalem until they receive the Holy Spirit. What would the Holy Spirit allow them to do? Jesus said they would have power. Power for what? The Holy Spirit would give them power to “witness” about Jesus. Jesus is the focus of not only the New Testament, but the Old as well. 8 "But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth." Acts 1:8 8. Glorifying We are in the process of transformation, we are not there yet, the Holy Spirit is the guarantee of the redemption to come (Eph. 1:14). We will one day be perfect and glorified in the image of Christ, restored from our fallen state. For the rest of eternity, we will enjoy the presence and blessing of God, today, we are only a shadow of what we will be. Through the power of the Holy Spirit, we can choose to have a victorious Christian life, looking forward to the day of our redemption. We have God’s promise. Our fellowship lost at the fall will be restored. |
My own case is totally different from OP, before I got my job I aways think about marriage but after gotten the job story change ooo, infact I don't even know the defination of marriage again. Singularity point sweet baje baje. |
Logicboy03: I have read the bible for lots of years bro.....The major problem with many christians today is this your post. Truely "Bible" is the word of God we only have faith through reading & meditation in the word but without the Holy Spirit the light of God can not shine on us. 90% (though I might not be accurate) of christians today are just Bible reader and church goer. |
If we strive to understand the Holy Sprit, and how God’s Spirit functions, we can become master sailors in the sea of life, powered by wind of God’s Spirit, rather than our own power and strength. Many Christians try to sail the ocean of life in their own strength and power, they miss the dynamic power of God Spirit, which is within every saved person. The Activities of the Holy Spirit that make us a true image of God 1.Revealing Following the fall, our ability to know and understand God, let alone ourselves was damaged and corrupt. Apart from God, we could not even know who we are, or where we came from. This “blindness” is demonstrated by the thousands of different theories and religions, which have developed over the millennia. How did we get here? Where are we going? Both science and religion attempt to find the answers to these questions. Did we come from nothing? Were we created by the Sun? Are we animals? The questions go on and on. Only through God’s revelation of Himself, we could ever know who we are. Isaiah paints the picture of our lost condition, like blind men we grope along the walls. We are lost and without hope. 9 Therefore justice is far from us, Nor does righteousness overtake us; We look for light, but there is darkness! For brightness, but we walk in blackness! 10 We grope for the wall like the blind, And we grope as if we had no eyes; We stumble at noonday as at twilight; We are as dead men in desolate places. Isaiah59:9-10 Without being aware of our condition, our need for redemption, and the provision for salvation, we would remain in the lost state. Just having the word of God is not enough, we are still blind without the Holy Spirit’s light. 2.Redeeming Before we can be redeemed, we need toknow we need redemption. The problem for many, who rely on their own works, is they have a false sense of security. They don’t see their need of redemption, as far as they are concerned, they are not lost. The Holy Spirit has a two-fold part in redemption, first the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin , then the Holy Spirit leads us to repentance of sins . We can’t repent if we don’t think we need repenting. In the same vain, we limit the power of the Holy Spirit in our lives, once we rely on our own righteousness 3. Indwelling Once we realize we are lost, and need redemption, the Holy Spirit leads us to repentance, and salvation. Then the Holy Spirit takes up residence in our bodies, because we now have the righteousness of Christ. We are “Born Again” of the Spirit (John 3:3,6, , our bodies are now the Temple of God, because God’s Holy Spirit dwells in us (I Cor. 3:17).4. Transforming 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord. 2 Cor.3:18 Our goal is to reflect Christ, we can only accomplish this when we yield to the transforming power of the Holy Spirit. How often is the Holy Spirit of God dwell in you? |
Apart from science confirms the Bible the evidence of a creator is too obvious in the universe. |
How can I learn yoruba pls? |
Kay 17: To clear a few things.Yes because that's what atheist claim even though they intelligently performed most of their experiment. Probability is the consideration for hidden variables, it does not mean they violate immutable physical laws. A projectile is still governed by physical laws, yet there are variables which we can't compute em all. So u wldnt know the exact points it wld land.Is that the defination of probability? @bold- You will know especially in the case of amino acid for life all are left-handed acid. It's like tosting a coin 100times and get "Header 100times". Can you call it chance or conscious intervention? The experiment was successful, because its results are: it is probable for building blocks of life to arrive in this certain condition.Yes the experiment was successful in the lab under certain condition which in essence of real nature those condition can never be met or refuted to the formation of life. |
Kay 17: ^^Remembet an intelligent being was created by chance! But anything he/she does must require intelligence and not by chance. Hence the environment functions and can be understood independently from the intelligent being.You're always prove to be logical! It was stated clearly at the beginning of this post that "miller-urey experiment is not to create life but to simulate the necessary biochemicals needed for life." but many textbooks and evolution scientist promote his work as a basis of life. By the way, how life began in universe? |
Because the scientific evidence contradicts the origin of life by natural processes, Miller resorted to unrealistic initial conditions to develop amino acids in his experiment (no oxygen and excessive energy input). However, there is more to the story. Producing amino acids is not the hard part. The difficult part is getting the right type and organization of amino acids. There are over 2,000 types of amino acids, but only 20 are used in life. Furthermore, the atoms that make up each amino acid are assembled in two basic shapes. These are known as left-handed and right-handed . Compare them to human hands. Each hand has the same components (four fingers and a thumb), yet they are different. The thumb of one hand is on the left, and the thumb of the other is on the right. They are mirror images of each other. Like our hands, amino acids come in two shapes. They are composed of the same atoms (components) but are mirror images of each other, called left-handed amino acids and right-handed amino acids. Objects that have handedness are said to be chiral (pronounced “ky-rul”), which is from the Greek for hand . Many of life’s chemicals come in two forms, “left-handed” and “right-handed.” Life requires polymers with all building blocks having the same “handedness” ( homochirality )—proteins have only “left-handed” amino acids. . . . But ordinary undirected chemistry, as is the hypothetical primordial soup, would produce equal mixtures of left- and right-handed molecules, called racemates . This is a very puzzling fact. . . . All the proteins that have been investigated, obtained from animals and from plants from higher organisms and from very simple organisms—bacteria, molds, even viruses—are found to have been made of L-amino [left-handed] acids. The common perception left by many textbooks and journals is that Miller and other scientists were successful in producing the amino acids necessary for life. However, the textbooks and media fail to mention that what they had actually produced was a mixture of left- and right-handed amino acids, which is detrimental to life. Scientists still do not know why biological proteins use only left-handed amino acids. The reason for this choice [only left-handed amino acids] is again a mystery, and a subject of continuous dispute. Jonathan Wells, a developmental biologist, writes: "So we remain profoundly ignorant of how life originated." Yet the Miller-Urey experiment continues to be used as an icon of evolution, because nothing better has turned up. Instead of being told the truth, we are given the misleading impression that scientists have empirically demonstrated the first step in the origin of life. |
When considering how life began, there are only two options. Either life was created by an intelligent source (God) or it began by natural processes. The common perception presented in many textbooks and in the media is that life arose from nonlife in a pool of chemicals about 3.8 billion years ago. The claim by evolutionists is that this formation of life was the result of time, chance, and natural processes. One widely used example of how life could have formed by natural processes is the Miller-Urey experiment, performed in the early 1950s. Miller’s objective was not to create life but to simulate how life’s basic building structures (amino acids ) might have formed in the early earth. In the experiment, Miller attempted to simulate the early atmosphere of earth by using certain gases, which he thought might produce organic compounds necessary for life. Since the gases he included(water, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen) do not react with each other under natural conditions, he generated electrical currents to simulate some form of energy input (such as lightning) that was needed to drive the chemical reactions. The result was production of amino acids. Many textbooks promote this experiment as the first step in explaining how life could have originated. But there is more to this experiment than what is commonly represented in textbooks. When we examine the purpose, assumptions,and results of the Miller experiment, there are three critical thinking questions that can be raised: 1. How much of the experiment was left to chance processes or how much involved intelligent design? 2. How did Miller know what earth’s early atmosphere (billions of years ago) was like? 3. Did Miller produce the right type of amino acids used in life? The Method Used In the experiment, Miller was attempting to illustrate how life’s building blocks (amino acids) could have formed by natural processes. However, throughout the experiment Miller relied on years of intelligent research in chemistry. He purposely chose which gases to include and which to exclude. Next, he had to isolate the biochemicals (amino acids) from the environment(mostly in the presence AIR) he had created them in because it would have destroyed them. No such system would have existed on the so-called primitive earth. It appears Miller used intelligent design throughout the experiment rather than chance processes. The Starting Ingredients How did Miller know what the atmosphere was like billions of years ago? Miller assumed that the early earth’s atmosphere was very different from today. He based his starting chemical mixture on the assumption that the early earth had a reducing atmosphere (an atmosphere that contains no free oxygen). Why did Miller and many other evolutionists assume there was no free oxygen in earth’s early atmosphere? As attested below, it's well known that biological molecules (specifically amino acid bonds) are destroyed in the presence of oxygen, making it impossible for life to evolve. In the atmosphere and in the various water basins of the primitive earth, many destructive interactions would have so vastly diminished, if not altogether consumed, essential precursor chemicals, that chemical evolution rates would have been negligible. Therefore, in order to avoid this problem, evolutionists propose that earth’s first atmosphere did not contain any free standing oxygen. We must ask ourselves, “Is there any evidence to support this claim, or is it based on the assumption that evolution must be true?” There is no scientific proof that Earth ever had a non-oxygen atmosphere such as evolutionists require. Earth’s oldest rocks contain evidence of being formed in an oxygen atmosphere. The only trend in the recent literature is the suggestion of far more oxygen in the early atmosphere than anyone imagined. If we were to grant the evolutionists’ assumption of no oxygen in the original atmosphere, another fatal problem arises. Since the ozone is made of oxygen, it would not exist; and the ultraviolet rays from the sun would destroy any biological molecules. This presents a no-win situation for the evolution model. If there was oxygen, life could not start. If there was no oxygen, life could not start. Michael Denton notes: Because life could not have originated on land, some evolutionists propose that life started in the oceans. The problem with life starting in the oceans, however, is that as organic molecules formed, the water would have immediately destroyed them through a process called hydrolysis . Hydrolysis, which means “water splitting,” is the addition of a water molecule between two bonded molecules (two amino acids in this case), which causes them to split apart. Many scientists have noted this problem. |
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, our bodies are now the Temple of God, because God’s Holy Spirit dwells in us (I Cor. 3:17).