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Valiantvaliant: i disagree, cuz even the little boy is being controlled by his tutor.

The answer is nobody.

The answer can't be nobody because it has a cause.

In view of this we can see that the "boss also grandpa" started the cause which we can trace last to the "little boy".

Critically examine the 'first cause' to the 'last cause' assumption can be make;

1. What if the boss(grandpa) didn't call?
2. What if the information didn't reach the little boy?

With this assumptions 'information' start from 'boss' and recirculated back to the start 'boss'. So with this if the information from the start cause 'boss' can be cut off the whole informations will be lost.

So, who controls the chain?
Ans:- Boss(grandpa)

Hearing from God is a learned skill.

Of course, you could be one of the lucky ones like Moses , who was walking up the mountain, minding his own business, when he stumbled upon the burning bush . Most of us don't have those kinds of encounters so we find ourselves looking for skills to help us hear from God.

Here are some common ways God talks to us:
1. His Word: In order to actually "hear" from God, we have to know some things about God's character. We have to develop an understanding of who God is, and the way he does things. Fortunately for us, all that information is available in the Bible. The Book goes into a lot of detail about how you can expect God to react, what kinds of expectations he has for us, and most specifically, how he expects us to treat other people. It's actually a pretty good book, given its age.

2. Other People: Many times God will use other people to try to get through to us. It's possible for God to use anyone at any time, but I find more messages coming from people who are practicing Christians than non-practicing ones.

3. Our Circumstances:
Sometimes the only way God can teach us something is to allow circumstances in our life to lead us to and through the very thing we need to discover. Joyce Meyer, says, "There's no such thing as a drive-through break-through."

4. The Still Small Voice: Most of the time God uses a tiny voice inside us to let us know when we're not on the right path. Some people call it "the voice of peace." Whenever we're contemplating something and we don't have peace about it, it's a very good idea to stop and carefully look at the options. There's a reason you don't feel peace about it.

5.The Actual Voice: Sometimes we're able to "hear" something in our spirit that sounds to us like an actual audible voice. Or all of a sudden, you just know you heard something. Pay attention to those occasions because it is very likely God trying to tell you something.

God uses lots of things to talk to us. But actually hearing from God isn't so much a matter of if he's talking, but rather, whether we're listening.

shugacaneman: Shawn Michael. I followed his career from nasty boys although I have lost interest in wrestling entirely

My favourite and my interest is what you just mention.

I like shawn die then....

I know GEJ can't be so clueless!

Krasid: Seems no where is safe in this country anymore.it could have been anybody.we just have to pray to God everyday.RIP to the dead.

You're save if you know your stand in Christ, and remember those who live by sword will surely die by sword.

Hi OLAADEGBU,

I sent you a PM via mail. Did you receive it? Pls kindly reply through the mail address.

Reagrds,

Emusan.

1. Get a Bible and begin to check into receiving the Holy Spirit as in the Bible.

2 Look up Acts 2 :38 which says, if you repent and get baptised, you will receive the Holy Spirit.

3 Repent. Repent is from the Greek word "metanoeo" which means literally: "change ones mind." Inpractical terms, it means to do an about face .

4. Get Baptised. Baptism is from the Greek word "baptizo" means to immerse or to submerge in water. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist in water for our example to follow. Find some water (ocean, lake, river, swimming pool or warm bathwater, etc. will do). Anyone can baptise you, if already a Spirit-filled believer.

5 Ask God to give you the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, "And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock,and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened... how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:9,10 & 13b)

6 Ask, by praying to God. Using your voice to ask for the Holy Spirit. Be prepared to be transformed and speak in tongues by the power of the Holy Ghost, as the early disciples did. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. (Acts 2:4)

7 Expect God to keep working in your life. Many people have been healed of illnesses, addictions and other problems of all sorts at the time of receiving the Holy Spirit.

8 When you receive the Holy Spirit, you receive the love of God and the power of God (to help your life and to help others) Luke 24 :39; Acts 1:8; Romans 5:5 and many other things, and it's awesome.
9 Live a good Christian life . (Galatians 5:22-25 & Romans 12:9-21)

10 Use your new tongue (prayer language) to talk to God (in private) which will build you up and maintain the faith which you have just received: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries... He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself" (1 Corinthians14:2 & 4a)

11. Tell others how easy it was and how they can do it too. (Mark 16:15-20)

ooman: ^^^dumb nut xtians

You have changed from "deluded" to "dumb" only God knows the next word.

I remember in my thread titled "Information-evidence for a creator" you said vividly "I should stop bring God in debate with you, that what is your business with Him" but without equanimity state of your mind camped around a section that talks about God 24/7.

It really clear about you what HISBLUD his saying, so stop hiding under the works of science and continue to preach your religion.

Hi OLAADEGBU,

Did you receive my PM? If you do, kindly reply through this
e-mail:-emus4lifeisreal@hotmail.com

regards.
Emusan

devour129: my dear they truly don't have shame. They boldly look down on us and lie without the fear of God. They stay in there gated mansions and tell us we are eating well .its so funny

Nigerians are reason well now, how I wish we can all reason like this during election.

Br3nd4: Calabar- Ogoja Federal road or aint it a federal road? Travelling this road is like a suicide mission. . Not only the pot holes buh also the narrowness of the road

And to think that its a major trunk that links the south to the north, you have millions plying the road everyday and many loosing their lives.. No construction whatsoever is going on there.

Odukpani - Itu? Isnt it a fed road?. . . SMH.

Are you my second person on this earth? You really spoke my mind, I was thinking of mentioning those roads but just want to read people's comment first. Those roads are too bad FG need to do something.

Akpos who has obtained a PhD in MOLESTOLOGY at the university of Toronto with a goal of helping mankind. Through a long time of restlessness and rigorious research he has come with a greater idea of inventing what we scientist called "incredible PANTMOLFAIT".

During an exclusive interview with the founder of PANTMOLFAIT "Akpos". Akpos describe in a sentence the idea of his work. PANTMOLFAIT idea is to protect molestation in our society and infidelity among two lovers.

PANTMOLFAIT...derives its name from these three words "PANTs", "MOLEST" and "FAITHful" and is a pieces of materials from both Cotton and Iron.

DESIGN......
PANTMOLFAIT--is design this way. It will have an iron linen at waist and Cottons at the side of each thigh, and both front & back are full of Iron and have a PADLOCK like handcuff.

SIZE.....
PANTMOLFAIT will be design in difference sizes from infant to ages.

HOW IT WOKRS.....
PANTMOLFAIT will serve a lot of purpose with the view of its design. 1) for infedelity-for both lovers that have it, the key to the woman will be with her man while the key to the man will be with his woman. 2) for molestation (unmarried)- individual will padlock their PANTMOLFAIT and keep the key at home/hide it somewhere while going out.

DISADVANTAGE....
Forget of going to toilet after you put it on. Though research is till going on about this with addition of technology.

Have nice day ahead.

Download from http://www.akposincredibleinvention.com

This reminds me the story of two drunker coming from a friend's party, getting to a junction and ask a taxi driver to take them to the same junction they were standing. The driver ask them to enter and charge each #200. He starts the car and raised the car voooooom! and then stopped the car and then ask for his money. The one in front ask so fast....the driver reply..... Yes!

The one at the back seat, just give the driver a slap from back ....paaaaa
.....the driver thought he get his logic....

And the man said stupi.d boy thats how they we be endanger people's life with overspeed.

Take your money.

Late in His life and ministry, Jesus wanted His disciples to articulate in His presence their beliefs about Him. So He asked them the biggest question of all time: “ Who do you say that I am?” ( Matthew 16:15 ).

You can be wrong about your answers to many questions in life, but you dare not be wrong about your answer to this question. You see, your answer to Jesus’ question will determine your eternal fate; it will determine where you will be living 200 years from now. Someday you will face the last chapter of your life. Are you prepared for “The End”?

Who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

ooman: concerning of origin of evolution of life, we know that amino acids can form spontaneously, so is simple sugars, fats and uracil. we also know that RNA monomer can form. This is proven by chondrites and montmorillonite vesicles so soon, we will crack the origin of life.

I cannot tell you anymore now.

dont worry, enjoy your delusion while it lasts, because when we finally crack life, y'all will become speechless.

who is being deluded now?

The simple question is, how life begin in the universe, is it in the air, water, land, star e.t.c? At least universe started at the point of singularity. After trials and error you we cook another lie about origin of life because attemp has been made to shows that life started somewhere but it was refuted.

@bold- yes it can form spontaneously but all chemical method will always produce equal amount of both L & R- amino acid which is detriment to life. To produce amino acid is not the case but to get the right type and organization is the problem for atheist scientists.

Another point from your post, it really shows that evolution about life (molecule-to-man) is false. Since evolutionist can't tell how life begin in the universe and you still believe the theory of evolution.

striktlymi: Hallo Emusan,
Nice piece but c'mon man!

Yes, it is true that some things about evolution as posited in some quarters are pure Hogwash but we can't undermine the fact that the theory has it's merits too.

Take a look at the theory again and carefully sieve out the facts, then you might just appreciate what the theory has brought.

Thanks.

@bold- You don't need to be confuse by atheist especially the one on this forum, they keep hammering "that's not what atheism mean, you don't know atheism yet bla bla" even one of them said atheism came before Darwinia's theory of evolution. I have asked them severally, what is atheism? No one reply me.

The only thing evolutionist has gained over the years is a rebellion over religions precisely Christian.

We have three branches of science: Historical, Observational and Operational- these three branches of science have their background claim inwhich evolution fall within Historical science..., you can ask me why! because what evolutionist claims from materialism or naturalism is that: 1) Nature happened by chance, 2) molecules-to-man, 3) man evolves from ape-like e.t.c and now no evidence have been provided to support this claims it's just a fallacious belief for those who rest their faith on it and it places evolution under Historical science.

Don't mix it up, Historical & Observational science are totally difference that's why some scientist now look into Darwin's work to check its accuracy.

Like the POPULATION in my post (though isn't in detail because of space) it was proved mathematically that if the years(2,000,000~100,000) given by evolutionist about the race of humans on earth was true, the global population by now will reach ~Decillion but what we have as global population is just over 7billion.

Again, over the years evolutionist made us to understand that nature contains only matters(mass & energy), during the time that Darwin published his book of evolution the cells in all living thing wasn't properly studied they called it "Black Box" because it was believed cells is just ordinary product of matters. Whereas evidence has been showed that all living DNA contains and INFORMATIONs. With the help of informational scientist we realized that DNA code is quitely similar to that of human's code, according to the laws & theorems of information - it was revealled that information in living cells is too complex and information is an immaterials(spirit) that doesn't pocess any characteristics of matters (means information cannot be generate from matters) many more about information.

About life evolution claim premordial germ that life evolve from, with many trial and error evolutionist has failed about the origin of life-they only claim life evolve spontaneously means the origin of life (molecules-to-life) by evolutionist is just an assumption with no scientific support.

The only way you can see the clear picture of evolution is to first all discover that most atheist hide under the works of observational science to support evolution, nothing about evolution has ever been proved true scientifically.

I reply all the quote on this thread with this.

hisblud: Hmm this is very plausible reason...chance = NO PURPOSE but around me i see purpose thus not just by CHANCE!

Likewise me! Lol

eddy1234: WHAT MAKES ME A DIFFERENT CHRISTIAN IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE POWER OF THE HOLYSPIRIT AND THE LEVEL I OPERATE IN IT.DO YOU KNOW THERE IS A LEVEL YOU CAN GET WITH D HOLYSPIRIT AND U CAN DISAPPEAR IN A CROWD OF DANGER.ITS IN D BIBLE NOW,IT ALSO HAPEND TO JESUS.THE QUESTION IS,WHAT DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE DO YOU HAVE WITH D HOLYSPIRIT.IF U TINK IT ENDS IN TONGUES NA SO E GO END FOR U.U CNT B MORE DAN U KNOW.

I so much impressed with your respond. Most christians today have neglected the Holy Spirit, imagine some said there in Christ for almost 3-5years without baptism and perfect relationship of the Holy ghost.

plaetton: Ouch! Ouch!

My skin is pinching!

I feel soooooo embarrassed,just by reading this.
How can can I feel soooo embarrassed by something I did not even write?.

I guess I have a strong sense of empathy. My weakness.

Being ignorant is not a crime. We are all ignorant of one thing or another .

But complex ignorance?
That's another thing altogeher.
Complex ignorance is when someone that has a half-baked, quarter baked, or wholly ignorant of a subject, boldly goes in public to argue for or against the subject in question.

Before an adult comes out in public to attempt to repudiate something, say the theory of evolution, isn't it just common sense to at least study the subject in depth, and then come out with a coherent, logical and academically structured and scientifically leaning argument for or against the subject?

I know that not everyone in our poor country is opportuned to have a university education, and I, by no means, ever look down on those who do not.
But if one does not have a basic academic grounding, some subjects will always be above one's head.
If one does not have a good academic grounding in science, then complex scientific ideas would always be above one's head.

The op has demonstrated in his post, that he lacks firm grounding in basic high school science, basic anthropology, basic junior secondary school history, basic knowledge of astronomy and physics.
And yet he is here on public forum to debate on subjects that he demostrably, by reading his post, lacks even basic knowledge.
Who is he going to debate with?

You're there ranting like what you evolve from and your post full of baseless words. Who ask you in debate? You that have never gave any reasonable point on this forum before.

If there are fallicies on the post, why can't you point it out and give the best answer.

nnofaith: lol! did the holy spirit tell you that?!

Will you stop your corwardness and answer my question.

ooman: erhm guy, for your allusion to my signature, people become atheists for many reasons, not just for science and evolution..
in fact atheism predates modern evolutionary theory by Darwin so shut up there.

Then, whta is atheism?
And what support atheism claim; no God?
because evolutionist, atheist, humanist derived their stand from materialism

we say life spontaneously evolved, you say god is uncaused. shouldn't common sense tell you that we are all saying that a design does not need a designer, the difference is just the design we all refer to.

I never knew you can come to a conclusion with this your post (You of all atheist and you can so brag as if atheist have answer to all quetsions). I knew you choose to ignore that thread because you don't have a valid answer.

Life evovle spontaneously from where? Air, land, sea, moon e.t.c
you deserve not to be an atheist with this your reply

Remember you said something about life in my thread title "Information-evidence for a creator" which I told you not to derail the thread. For you to say "very soon atheist will produce life means you must have known the origin".

you claim that the most complex, perfect, infallible, omnipotent, omniscient, omnifiscient, sovereign spirit does not need a designer

but
we claim that a falible, imperfect, ever changing world does not need a designer.

so who makes more sense??

my dear, I think atheists and non atheists do.

I can see you make sense by not knowing where life originated from.

In hoping for an accurate answers about the universe, many people have been pondering and asking what could be the actual answer for the origin of our universe. Think of it; we both have the same facts i.e fossilized materials, moon, earth, galaxies e.t.c but different presuppositions and once one's historical belief cut off means other might have correct.

Let's quickly look at the facts that refuted the universe or man's life happend by chance.
Nature happened by chance according to evolutionist; but most works of nature never operate by chance. Anything call chance means no PURPOSE.

1. Youself- One thing that is very common among humans is that human being never operated without PLANNING according to his/her own PURPOSE (though the plan might not achieved sometimes; but we plan everyday according to our PURPOSE)

2. Scientist- Since history of science with the greatest works of science today. It has never been recorded in history that scientist acheived a work by chance. They critically examine and apply intelligent.

3. Population- You may ask, what concern population with evolution? But various evolutionists claim human evolve from ape-like over (2billions highest) -(100,000 least) years ago. The population of the world, based upon the Berlin census reports of 1922, was found to be 1,804,187,000. The human race must double itself 30.75 times to make this number(simply use 2 in power of x times). After all allowances are made for natural deaths, wars, catastrophes, and losses of all kinds, By the same method of calculation as above, the Jews, who, according to the Jewish yearbook for 1922, number 15,393, 815, must have doubled their numbers 23.8758 times, or once every 161.251 years. The whole human race, therefore, on an average has doubled its numbers every 168.3 years; and the Jews, every 161.251 years. If the human race is 2,000,000years old, the period of doubling would be 65,040 years, or 402 times that of the Jews, which, of course, is unthinkable. With this the population of the world suppose to record ~over Decillion but currently world population is ~over 7billion.

4. Species- They tell us that 3,000,000 species of plants and animals developed from one primordial germ, in 60,000,000 years. How many new species should have arisen in the last 6,000 years? And since the number of species must have increased in a geometrical ratio, 2097 species must have arisen or matured within the last 6000 years--an average of one new species of animals every 3 years. How many species actually have arisen within the last 6000 years? 2000? 200? or 2? It is not proven that a single new species has arisen in that time. Not one can be named. If approximately 2000 new species have not arisen in the last 6000 years, the evolution of species can not possibly be true. Even Darwin says: "In spite of all the efforts of trained observers, not one change of species into another is on record." Sir William Dawson, the great Canadian geologist, says: " No case is certainly known in human experience where any species of animal or plant has been so changed as to assume all the characteristics of a new species."

5. Religions- The unity of ancient religions proves the creation of man who received a divine revelation. According to evolution, all religions were evolved or invented by humanoids. In that case, we would expect them to be widely divergent; and we would be surprised, if they agreed on great and important points, and especially on points which could not be clearly arrived at by reason. For instance, what in reason teaches us that an animal sacrifice is a proper way to worship God? How could unassisted reason ever arrive at the conclusion that God is properly worshipped by sacrificing a sheep or an ox? A very high authority says,"Sacrifices were common to all nations of antiquity, and therefore, traced by some to a personal revelation. It was revealed. No race of monkey-men could ever have invented the idea.

6. Intelligent Design movement- Phillip Johnson is known as the father of intelligent design. The idea in its current form appeared in the 1980s, and Johnson adopted and developed it after Darwinian evolution came up short, in his view, in explaining how all organisms, including humans, came into being and concluded that organisms can't come into existence true natural processes.

7. Information- Human's DNA carries a complex information which surpassed any informations ever generated by humans and it complies with UDI, and information isn't a properties of matters.

8. Rotation- Our planets rotate on their axis and revolve the sun. For example when Earth rotate, it rotates on just two axis W-E causes day/night whereas it has four axes N:E:W:S (where NEWS was dderived) but earth never change its axis of rotations.

There're still facts recently that disprove evolution i.e age of the Earth, rocks e.t.c

nnofaith: you will get a detailed and comprehensive answer in the book of genesis of the bible.

Why are you refering to Bible when your faith didn't hold with it?

Afterall atheist do claim everything in the universe are in their control. Can you please give me the answer since you people claim life doesn't begin from God instead of twisting and runing away from my question.

mazaje1: I asked you a simple question, do you have any scientific method of measurements that shows that the earth is 6000 years old?. . Do you know anything about scientific methods of dating?. . .What am i to do with a fringe group of scientist?. . .If you have any objective means of measurement that shows that the earth is 6000 years old bring it forward. . .

With your shallow brain you can still say "if I have any objective means of measurement that shows that the earth is 6000years old I sholud bring it"

I gave you an assignment you called fring groub. Did you know how RATE was formed?
RATE-Radioisotopes Age of The Earth, it's a group well known in U.S that make use of AMS-Accelerator Mass Spectrometer by using radioactive materials C-14, C-12 e.t.c so browse and see.

nnofaith: what is the intelligent design in creating cave men?. the problem with most of you theist is that you look at life today and think it has always been like this. all that you see around you today was created by man himself. the arguement of creationalism applies to god too. who or what created god?

Most of atheist problem is that they fail to their vicinity to pursue the truth.

About Intelligent Design movement they're not creationist (had it been they're creationist they would've attached it to the God the Bible is talking about) and the works of ID movement gives a room for evolution because they said "intelligent design can only be seen mostly in living things. They are scientist too and their work is well recognized.

@bold-I can see no wonder man don't know how life came into existence.

Answer my question.

plaetton: Why are you surprised?
In this century, any dumb dumb who still holds that the earth was created 6000 years ago is not worth paying attention to.
I think it would be a bit condenscending to attempt to engage in any meaningful discussion with such a fellow.

What is your problem and did you seeanything like age in my post? I ask you a question about life, you're there talking about age. It's better you park well if you don't have the answer.

Another way to runway!

musKeeto: Like I said, atheism isn't a stance on the origin of the universe.
Speaking for myself, I don't know how the universe began. Science may eventually do so. You can choose to call my ignorance 'God'. He's an easy answer.

@bod-then what is atheism?

Are you sure you understand what you're saying?

And why do you believe there's no God?

Anyway I know this question is beyond your level but think of it, if evolutionist can't find answer to origin of life then how much should we trust their assumptions on the origin of the universe.

musKeeto: @Oga Emusan

@1st bold: Wow. How?
@2nd bold: Is this an admission that there are many Gods?
@3rd bold: Darwin was a Christian. He never identified with atheism, I read somewhere he said he was best described as agnostic.

Your above statement get there answer because I don't want to derail this thread myself but I will attend to them in any thread relating to them.


Back to the topic, how does life begin in the universe? Just answer with evidence/proof.

FOLYKAZE: I love this christiano-evolution. They are putting away bible and sticking with logic and science.

What name can I call this?


I choose christscience faith.


But wait OP, Your bible taught you that God creates the heart for thinking. Didn't God fail biology here?

You said you're not a scientist, then why are you jumping up and down to defend evolutionism?

@red- you ask this same question in OLAADEGBU's thread titled "science comfirms Bible" and I quoted it but you didn't reply.

Get this illustration- computer has a ROM which can be refer to as the HEART of a computer and has a PROCESSOR which is known as the BRAIN. BIOS (Basic Input & Output Setup) is a manufacturer's instruction that control all hardware in computer and it is placed inside ROM(Heart), instructions in ROM(BIOS) tells PROCESSOR what to do and PROCESSOR only "processing data" now equate it with human's heart and brain.

FOLYKAZE: •Here we see the Son of God {Jesus} failing basic biology: He doesn’t know what the heart is for.
MT 15:18 But those things which proceedout of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
MT 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evilthoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies

I hope it will add more to your ignorant. You're not and atheist so join where you can get wisdom.

Atheism is even a religion not base only on faith because they solely rest upon Dawkin's work which they refer to anytime.

Deep Sight: Humans have been on the Earth for thousands of years and, being intelligent beings, have sought to rationalize their existence on this planet: to understand and contextualize it; and this has in most cases resulted over generations into one form of religious thought or the other.

Are there any key aspects of religious thinking that you would consider to hold true as per human reality and existence?

Religion of evolutionism

I'm very sure you're not a scientist like Folykaze.