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mazaje: According to scientist they evolved as a result of many factors like mutation and adaptation. . .Natural selection. . .

Go and read more about Mutations

Mutations cannot cause gain in/new genetic information instead it causes loss in genetic information.
For organism to evolve to organism it needs new/gain new genetic information.

mazaje: You keep spewing ignorance, first you claimed that the earths atmosphere can not be formed in the presence of sun light. . .Now you are talking about ozone layer. . .From wikipedia. . . Ozone in the Earth's stratosphere is created by ultraviolet light striking oxygen molecules containing two oxygen atoms (O2), splitting them into individual oxygen atoms (atomic oxygen); the atomic oxygen then combines with unbroken O2 to create ozone, O3

You even try to do a little research. Now listen to yourself: by mazaje from wiki "Ozone is formed by ultralviolet rays stricking oxygen" then where did that oxygen come from, when the atmosphere had no oxygen? You just shot ypurself in the leg, why can't you read what you copy first with an open mind before you paste?

There is nothing like atheist scientist. . .There are just scientist. no muslim scientist, jewish scientist, hindus scientist or atheist scientist. . . .According to scientist life started in water, your claim that scientist can't give a specific answer is false. . .

But do you believe that some scientist are called creationist scientist?


Base on life started in the ocean go and read more about HYDROLYSIS you will know that molecules cannot come together with the effect of hydrolysis.

@everybody
This thread is not base on LIFE only don't forget there are many facts stated above. Just let me grant you life started under no oxygen atmosphere.

How does the ozone layer in the atmosphere form?

because you can all agree with me that if our atmosphere should vanish now everything on earth would be disrtoyed.

Anyway what you're arguing about have been noticed by some atheist scientist that's why they later said Life started in the ocean.

Till today scientist can't give a specific place where life start.

Evil Brain: No animals didn't evolve from plants. I don't know where you are getting this idea from.

Both animals and plants evolved from more primitive ancestors. Most likely, plant-like protozoans first appeared when an ancestor organism fused with a cyanobacteria it was living in symbiosis with to form a photosynthetic eukaryote. The cyanobacteria would then have become an endosymbionte, i.e, the green chloroplasts we see in all plant cells. Multicellular plants then evolved from colony-forming photosynthetic protozoans. (Examples of living organisms at all these stages exist today in case you want to start arguing, so don't bother).

This would explain why chloroplasts have their own DNA and reproduce independently with their own RNA and proteins. It also explains why chloroplast DNA is so much more similar to that of cyanobacteria and eubacteria than it is to the regular plant DNA.

Incidentally the same applies to the mitochondria that exist in each and every eukaryotic cell known. We all have tiny bacteria living inside our cells. And there is no way we can survive without them.

@firstbold-please is there any fossil evidence for plant-like ancestor? I just can't stop laughing. Always remember that for organism to evolve and have a different physical look it needs a gain in genetic information not a loss in genetic information.

@secondbold-if they exist why can't we see common ancestor to form from them?

Avicenna: YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

animal evolve from plant and then the dinosaurs evolve from bacteria while the viruses rose from the white man's lab and ascended into human's organs where it lives today.

okay?

Give me the evidence that support your claim.

See your life Evil brain says NO!

mazaje: I don't know. . .Am not an evolutionist. . But they said animals evolved from unicellular organisms not plants. . .

You're not an evolutionist yet you know animal evolve from unicellular organisms.

Remember unicellular organism as your claim above shows that they survive through CO2. Then how animal now evolve and survive with oxygen?

mazaje: The first organisims that came to life according to scientist were unicellular organisms and they did not require oxygen to survive. . . Oxygen was first produced by photosynthetic prokaryotic organisms that emitted O2 as a waste product. photosynthetic prokaryotic are plant like already. . .I don't know when they evoled to animals. . .I was just debunking your claim about life not existing without oxygen. . .Even plants which are living things do not need oxygen. . .

I agree with you they are unicellular but answer this simple question. Did animal evolve from plant?

mazaje: Some times you just have to try. . .

I can see, so you mean the first primodal germ that life evolve from produce plant's life first before animal's life?
Then when did organism change to plant and plant to animal?

mazaje: So your believe the bible when it says that the earth was created before the sun?. . .Which evidence showed that the atmosphere can not form in the presence of the sun? . . .What are you saying?. . .

No I believe in big bang because I quoted from it.

The one I have explained above.

plaetton: OMG.
How does anyone argue with such kindergarten ignorance?.
These are the kind of baloneys you sell to sunday school children.

It took the earth 4.7 billion years to reach it's current stable orbit. In that period different life species have come and gone. Infact humans have been on the earth for a very small fraction of the time that dinosaurs spent on earth.

It is extremely ignorant to say that most of the universe is full of flaming gases and cold desolation?
How many Earth-like planets have been discovered over the past two years alone?
Am sure that you are not counting.

when the right combination of factors are present, chance events occur that make it possible for other chance events to occur.
That is why it has taken 4.7 billion years to reach where we are.
But ofcourse, you believe that the earth is 6000yrs old, so why I am even wasting my time.

This post is just too silly.
Why is it only in Africa that one finds this type of thinking in this age?

I know atheist are the most brilliant in the universe no wonder they keep deluding themself.

An illitrate Moses said atmosphere had formed before sun appeared but the brilliwnt atheist said Sun exist before atmosphere had formed. Now evidence had shown that atmosphere can't form in the presence of sun. Who is more ignorant?

I have sheld more light to your question and your ape-like brother above.

I believe you boycott the thread created by Logicboy03 yesterday "the research that refuted ape-like creature". Keep deluding yourself.

Evil Brain: OP is tinking backwards. The earth is not designed or adapted to support life. Rather its life that has adapted itself to survive in the conditions it finds itself. That is what natural selection does, it allows life to adapt.

We know that there has been life on earth for at least 3.5 billion years. There have been several times during that period that conditions on earth were drastically different than they are at the present. There was a long period where there was no oxygen in the atmosphere. [url=news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100304-snowball-earth-ice-global-warming/]There were several periods where the entire surface of the earth was covered in ice, even at the equator.[/url]

Yet, at all times life existed and adapted. If you had lived during those periods you could have argued that the earth was perfectly designed to support the forms of life that were present at those times.

The earth is what it is. It isn't specially made into accommodate anything. Rather it is life that has adapted itself to survive on earth. And natural selection definitely applies here.

@first bold-If not because your name is really affecting you, you would have looked at those points before you spit this rubish.

At fact number one, is it life/natural selection that makes earth to revolve @ 1000 miles/hr? If this figure changes either increasing or decreasing it will affect life and not earth.

@color red- this is the atheist excuse to prove that life started from earth yet they fail three fact about early atmosphere to contain oxygen:
1. "If there was oxygen, life could not start. If there was no oxygen, life could not start." Michael Denton
2. "Since the ozone is made of oxygen, it would not exist; and the ultraviolet rays from the sun would destroy any biological molecules"
3. "Earth’s oldest rocks contain evidence of being formed in an oxygen atmosphere.

So tell me another lie.

@color green-The period that earth was covered with ice was the period that first atmosphere just formed but because is not strong enough it falls down and cover earth's surface. This is another lie because:
1. If there was no atmosphere nothing can exist on earth in the presence of the Sun.
2. If Sun exist before the earth, earth won't have atmosphere (remember atmosphere form during the cooling and warming effect of the earth) because the temperature of the Sun is higher than that of the earth. "the greater the external pressure, the greater the volume of hot air, at constant temperature"-Boyle's law

@last bold-Nothing like natural selection/life adaptation in all the facts I stated above. According to you life cannot control nature which is the reason of creating this thread, then answer these questions base on my facts:
1. Why the earth have accurate atmospheric thickness?
2. Why the water on earth did not more than the one it will bury continent?
3. Why the CO2 in the earth just accurate?
4. Why the earth is at the right distance form the galaxy......and many more.

I know you can't disprove those facts but because I put LIFE at the title you quickly rest you complain about LIFE.

If earth was not designed those facts cannot be accurate.

Lastly, natural selection doesn't apply in any other thing than LIFE. You can't expect natural seletion to occur in formation of Rocks, water e.t.c

Grandfather Buhari we aren't talking about age sorry for that, we only make up our mind base on attitude and lack of gratitude of yours Sir.

I couldn't read the post to the end too long.

Where are you shouting from, inside 9ja or outside?

If you're inside 9ja, what wrong with your network?

If you're outside, why are you disturbing yourself to school in 9ja when better option is outside there?

Logicboy03: That is the problem with you and your religion. Your religion has incredible answers for things it has no idea about. That arrogance from ignorance is irritating.

How is it possible that something can exist just like that? No history nothing. God just existed like that out of thin air.


God of the gaps. You can not admit that you dont know.....that is arrogance.....you just fill your ignorance with God...



Time is a paradox....You can always point a beginning before a beginning. If the world started at x, what about x-1? If the world started at the big bang, what happened before the big bang? What happened before what happened before the bog bang?


There is no solution for now for the paradox. Scientists and intelligent people admit that they dont know the beginning of the universe. The furthest they know is the big bang theory.


Religious douchebags like you come and say there is a solution. God is uncaused, he created the world. You replace a mystery/paradox with another paradox. There is no such thing as an uncaused cause. what came before God? One can always point to a time before a specific time.


Furthermore, existence is based on time. How can God be outside time when to exist means that you live in the present ("I am is present tense).......ironically, your God is called "I am that I am". So God becomes another paradox again.


Furthermore, if something cant come from nothing, out of what did God create the universe? Because only god is supposed to be eternal. So from which material did God create the universe?

The problem you have is that you always boycott any thread that contain fact.

Cosmos said atmosphere form under the hug temperature from the sun, Bible says atmosphere came before sun appear

Now research has shown that if sun exist before earth appear atmosphere could not form. I created a thread for that Tempearture: evidence for a creator.

Then notice this; if an illitrate Moses wrote it before it was corfirmed then somebody who knows how universe was created would have inspired him. Moses did not say he guess, He said God inspire him.

I created this thread also "What only God could have known"

I created another one again "facts about earth that can't happen by chance" you ignore them because you can't disprove those fact.

Just keep on to what you believe nobody is forcing you to accept God, but what I'm affter is you can't disprove the existence of God scientically.

Logicboy03: Wait, God never came, he just existed out of thin air......he wasnt created but just was there.

So God existed just like that and created every other thing out of nothing. But something cant come from nothing.


How can something just exist like that?

Your God makes no sense.

You're still shouting about this, your question even disprove your atheism because what atheist stand upon is "there's no God" whether He came from somewhere or He live somewhere else before the causes is not what atheist is fighting for.
Fundamental belief of atheism is very glering "No God or intelligent design" so for to ask where is God come from? It means you believe He exist but your problem is where He comes from.

Let even assume that Christian didn't know where God come from they just believe by faith, but atheist do claim is different from faith. "Big ba.ng happen by chance and they claim it scientifically but no scientific method has ever applied for us to observed this claim".

All the facts we are talking about happened in the past and we are very lucky if we spend above 100years but why do we know much about the past? if not for assumptions and faith.

philhappy: i jst got a text frm my gal requesting me to giv her a brk for sometimes,reason unknown to me. Is it normal to ask for such request?

It is normal because she want it.
If she calls for a break without reason then reply with a break without reason too.

If you don't tell people you're going out you don't need to come back with excuse.

peterphd: @emusan
You haven't answered the question and you call it childish?I'm sure you had doubts about God as a kid and you were scared with the "don't question God" mantra and you probably are going to do the same thing to your kids lol.It is this invisible man theory that has spoilt Nigerians (youth).They can no longer reason but they wait for God to come and solve all their problems besides, I don't think God would be angry if we asked of his origin afterall,you have to know your lineage very well for you to get a title in the village.

@FOLYKAZE too,

You may be scared not to question God when you're a kid but I'm not. Questioning God is not a problem the major problem is, is your life worthy to question Him? God-s eyes cannot behold iniquity.

If this question is bordering I think this is the right time to move closer to God and find out yourself instead of asking people.

This same question has prompt many people to know more about God.

If I know where God live before He created universe or who created what does that have to do with eternity I'm pursuing? Even to know where God live or how He was created is none of my business because it's not the guaranty of making heaven, my own is to find out whether He exist and once I was able to that the next thing is to rest my hope and faith upon Him.

I think the question should be, Does God really exist or it's just a work of imagination?

Kay 17: it is a Science, right?!

at your level you can't stil diffrentiate btw two things.

cos that is what God is defined as by theists.

Then what is your alternative prove to make you conclude that what they claim is wrong?

Sorry I meant tusks.

Also, if a trunk is a deduction, how does that mean an addition in genetic information?

Also if there is a side effect, then prove it with known mutations. Especially tuberculosis adaptations.

Go and read more about mutations.

I'm sure you know the thread that leads to this thread(nothing like ape-like), so stop bringing arguement that you can't support with law or scientist quote. I'm different from people that argue without support you can see that in any of my post.

Logicboy03: Guy, just shut up and answer the qustion. Dont tell me to ask God.

If I went to the middle of the church and asked "God where did you come from"....your christian bros will definitely say that I am mad despite the irony...


Answer the question since you are a child of God. I can tell you where my father came from. Where does your heavenly father come from? Nothing?

You said I should answer when your own answer is invalid.

See you is it by going to church that will make you more closer to God?
If you truly want to move closer to Him then I can guide you.

@bold- I can't stop laughing, ofcourse they will do. Did you know what cause Moses to see just the back view of God?

Guy, God still remains the highest supreme being.

Logicboy03: "you atheists think life came from nothing and the big bang came from nothing"


Seriously, I am tired of that falsehood and failed argument.

Where does your God come from? Isnt it from nothing as well?

Stop behaving like a kid, this is old time question.

Logicboy03: Yes, we atheists and the sceintists as well do not know where the first life came from. We dont.


Since you know better than the scientists that it is God that brought the first life. Can you explain-

-how he did it
-when he put the first life
-and where God came from

This is the major questions that make God to be omniscient and all-knowing being.
Turn your Bible to Genesis 2:7

Who created God? Childish question. If you truly want to know who created God, why can't you move closer to Him so that you can ask Him how He was created?

Sorry but you must answer these questions. When some of your brethren mock evolution, we answer the questions

-how evolution works
-the timeline of human evolution
-the nature of the earliest life forms we know]
-the fossil and dna evidence for common descent

when they ask you, you said evolution work through mutation and mutations never causes a gain genetic information rather than loss genetic information.

Nature of life by miller-urey's experiment that produce equal right and left handed amino when all organisms use only left amino.
Even to produce amino is not the major problem but how to arrange thenselves, did miller-urey do that?

You're still clamouring about human from ape when it has been refuted (I believe you created this thread yesterday https://www.nairaland.com/1309560/one-13-people-ape-like-feet )

so stop deceiving yourself.

Kay 17: I want a clear answer, so I insist is Evolution Science?

I have given you a clear respond to that.

God is a contradiction, he is incomprehensible and he creates from Nothingness.

How did you know He is contradictory, incomprehensive and was created from nothing? Either a research or tangible evidence would have made you to arive at this answer.

KAY 17: @emusan

1. If an elephant mutates and has no trunks, are you aware they can pass it on to the next generation?

Has it ever happen or you're just guessing?

2. If another elephant mutates to a black or pink skin, it would pass it to the next generation?

It can't never happen, for elephant to stop having trunks it must gain new genetic information through mutations not lossing genetic information likewise for human to evolve from ape-like require new genetic informations.

Like the example of bacteral you cited "Mutations always causes side effect in organism.

Lee Spetner, “All point mutations that have been studied on the molecular level turn out to reduce the genetic information and not to increase it.”

There's no how you can disprove the work of God scientifically, you can only say God doesn't exist base on your personal best reason.

Kay 17: What do you say about the mutation of viruses and microorganisms.

Go and read it or search it Mutations never gain a new genetic information instead it loses genetic information.

Let me give you the clue: mutations can be grouped into five 1. Point, 2. Inversion, 3. Deletion, 4. Insertion, & 5. Frame shift ( it works through Insertion & deletion method but shifted)
we can trace mutation back to Bible when God causes both land and animals.

2. How do you explain bio-diversity.

It's just differences in animals, plants, organisms e.t.c you can see this in Genesis when God said "Let land, seas, bring forth its creature after their own kinds"

peterphd: Agreed.so how do we humans solve the problem of "which God created the universe?" There are over a million out there so why should we elevate the Jewish one above our local gods? You're still dodging my question on whether you believe the yoruba creation story.

Firstly, I'm a Yoruba and my forefather are pagan, but when you believe Oduduwa, Sango, Oya e.t.c have power according to history then there're somebody who was sent 'a messager'. Remember people have forsaken the Lord after humans begins to spread on the face of the earth.

@bold-You might thought jewsish impose their religion on us but if I rest my faith on what jews stated then I might turn atheist by now, but I took a step of faith on what they wrote (Bible) and I comfirmed it to be true.

You may ask how? Before Jesus was cruxified He said something in "John 14:16- And I will pray the father, and he shall give another Comforter [which is Holy Spirit], that he may abide with you for ever" After this He said again in verse "17-Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you" Then if Jesus promise a Comforter which I have comfirmed to be true it means Bible is real. But what most Christians lack today is the dwelling of the Holy Spirit in them. With the help of the Holy Spirit I know God exist that's why I can testify. I'm not talking about people that are falling in church and claim it's Holy Spirit *though if someone received Holy Spirit you must fall because the person can't withstand His power* but most of what we see in church today is fake.

Kay 17: 1. What's important is: Is evolution Science?

Evolution falls under Historical science.

2. Let's talk about God himself. Is he Supernatural?

No need of this because there're many thread ever created for this.
Just give me the major reason why God is not exist. I have given you mine it's either you disprove it or give another prove.

Kay 17: ok, evolution doesn't mix with science, yet its a type of science. Isn't that a contradiction?? So make up your mind.

I meant to say observational science.

God can be disproven a priori. Which many atheists subscribe too.

That isn't enough facts to say there's no God.

I tell you there's God that's why somebody with a cronical disease get healed by miracle, or a blind man received his sight back, or God created heavens and the earth yet you said all this didn't prove existence of God. Then why can't you give me a similar story or event that will really show God is not the one responsible for these.

@Op, It really pains me when I see the way practicing Christianity today because we've lost the true message of Christ both pastors and follwers have put an earthly things into the service of God. Our attitude towards God's service is zero no wonder the Holy Spirit of God can no longer move in us.

Alot of people today have backslided because they fail to realise and discover what it takes to be a christian and the true message of our Lord Jesus. Being born again or believing in God doesn't mean you can't archive what you suppose to archive.

What brought the issue of 'Born Again'? A certain man came to Jesus and asked Him what can I do to be save?
"John 3:5-Jesus answered, verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a mam be born or water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God" This very verse make it clear for someone to enter into the kingdom of God he/she must be 'Born Again', then what does it mean to born again? Born again can simply be stated as being turned into a new creature through the help of the Holy Ghost.

There are alot to say about this but space and time did not permit to do so.

Virtually about 90% of christians today a not Born again incuding pastor but you don't need to look at them because everybody will stand before the throne and face his own judgement. No wonder unbelievers are increasing in number because God cannot prove Himself in most christian life again.

God help us all!

peterphd: I didn't question evolution I just mean its still not fool proof

Anytime they are calling atheist it's better you hide yourself somewhere. If you realised what you put up there and your post at begnning you won't answer "you're a descendant of ape-like"

Kay 17: Number one, your grouse is actually against scientists and naturalists.

Point of correction don't mix evolution with science. There're two main type of science 1) Origin/Historical science; 2) Operational/Observational science

Evolution is a historical science.
Nobody can do without operational science.

2. If an atheist doesn't accept evolution, does not mean he believes Annuki aliens created nor Gods did. Claims as to whether or not Annuki or Gods are the responsible creators; stand on their own. And can simply be disproved.

@bold-If you don't believe in evolution then answer this question, what is the best proof of atheist to claim that there's no God.

Adam story is a cultural myth only peculiar to Jews, nothing more.

As evolution also is a myth of faith for those that don't have faith in God.

Hope you read the link above.

peterphd: It doesn't explain everything so its not fool proof yet and besides,its a random process.
PS: Evolution isn't a myth.its everywhere.

With what you've been spitting since yesterday means you don't know what it takes to be an atheist. I believe somebody must have deluded you with your own blame about God to be an atheist.

[quote author=Ghostface_killa]Which is more ridiculous?....Evolution or Creation via mud??.....smh[/quote]Very tactics question, pls ape-like creature is from where?

You are shouting now I believe you didn't read the link @OP