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@phenomenonVFX, pls I just want to plead with you not to loose your faith based on physical fact.
The major difference between a Theist & an Atheist is "Spirituality" though majority of Christians today have followed the physical fact of scientists and neglecting the Spiritual aspect.

Before Jesus went to heaven, He said "He will send a comforter.." which is the 'Holy Spirit'.
Then as a Christian have you found out whether there is something call Holy Spirit or not?
If a christian fail or yet to discover the presence of the Holy Spirit he/she is nothing like an atheist base on physical fact of matters

Creationists and evolutionists, Christians and non-Christians, all have the same facts. Think about it: we all have the same earth, the same fossil layers, the same animals and plants, the same stars—the facts are all the same.
The difference is in the way we all interpret the facts. And why do we interpret facts differently? Because we start with different presuppositions;

Though the evidence of God is all around us we have His word(The Bible), mountains, oceans e.t.c but the point is how can you explain the existence of God through the help of the Holy Spirit.

"God is a spirit and those that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit" this is far beyond any physical means of searching for God.

Exerctly 0 year during big b.ang, I kiss a ghost on my way to somewhere I know nothing about.

Don't ask me how I know it because I may vex and bite you like suarez.

dominique: Seems like the dad is neck-deep in some seriously things (assuming the story is true)

Exertly that's the point on my mind.

Artsman: For most of us here , who don't know what perimeter fencing is all about, find out first before running your mouth on issue you don't know much about. Everyone want to contribute, everyone wants to feel among, no one wants to listen first, its a pity, the kinds of brains we have in naija. Perimeter fencing is more like a high barbed wire fence, with steel support and its a welcome development if it can be properly implemented by those at the helm of affairs. its not a wall or block fencing. perimeter fencing is cheaper than block fencing I guess.Even Isreal, USA have it.

Oga too gud, hmmmm so you can't differentiate between 1 & 2.

Let me teach you
Perimeter=Area in square mm/m
Fence=enclosure.
In combination; Perimeter fence=an enclosure area

@red bolded,
You're talking about one materials which is less expensive that can be use not the meaning of perimeter fence. Either steel, wood, blocks e.t.c it's not the major problem we are facing in this country now.

[quote author=Okija_juju][b]We are talking about a mighty stretch of land and water borders here.

My problem with Nigeria is their half assed approach to solving a problem. Example:

1. Armed Robberies and Car snatchings: The Nigerian Police set up Checkpoints all over the country. Still yet, these things prevailed.

2. Kidnappings: More checkpoints. Still they were kidnapping people by the dozen a day. Infact in Aba where the checkpoints were manned by the Nigerian Army, A bus full of school children was kidnapped and driven out of the city.

3. Kidnapping (Post removal of Checkpoints): They ban tinted glasses. LOL! Forgetting that most people that were kidnapped were taken away in Police Pickups and not tinted vehicles..

4. Boko Haram: Send in the Army (Brute force).. This is obviously not working..

5. Boko Haram insurgency: Fence the country..

6. Fuel Subsidy Scam: Increase the pump price of fuel..


Like seriously!! Are we seriouos in this country at all.. What happened to;

Increased border patrol?!
Helicopter patrols?!
Electronic sensors?
CCTV
Neighbourhood watch patrols
Building watch towers?!
Animal patrols
UAVs


Na wah o!! Fencing Nigeria would be outrightly ridiculous and you know it![/b][/quote]Gbam!

Some people will come to Nairaland jump to a post and word will just jump out from their mind.

They think Rep is talking about fencing Abuja or Ondo state alone when we are talking of over 40,000km sq areas of land.

afolayangs: Thread Closed and sealed

By Emusan the moderator! D;

Slow venom: 5 + 3 = 28
9 + 1 = 810
8 + 6 = 214
5 + 4 = 19
Then 7 + 3 = ??

@afolayang, you be sharp guy not philip!

@op, add the two figure place it in front then subtract and place it at the back.

7+3=10
7-3=4
therefore, 7+3=410, 9ja political mathematics.

dare2think: Mr emusan!

You are trying to play smart! How can you tell me to harvest and tell me not to use tools?

You asked me to convince you without websites, where most of my evidence lie.

How else will I show you evidence of my claims? Fly it to you?

You damn well know I have evidence, but you ask me not to use it, then you turn around and call them baseless?

Is honesty not part of a Christian value?

How else do I need to be convinced on the Internet without, publications, videos or pictures? All of which I can give to to ascertain my claims.

Look at yourself you just make me laugh here. You want to provide fact through internet and want me to believe. We have some site that prove evidence of God existence yet we have some who disprove His existence. Why can't you browse about money ritual and see whelther there will be answer or not.

@color red, then what about the lifeless body found in some places with missing part or police report or personal experience share in daily newspaper?

Even if some of these parts can be transplanting(as one of you claim), can human head/bosom/male organ be transplant? Then, why these parts are missing always?

Just allow spirituality to take place in your life once and see the glory of God and the devil.

dare2think: Did any of what you ask me to convince you about happen to me?

That's my main point because it didn't happen to you thus you can't tell me it's real just because it happen to your family member or friend.

I said it's baseless because the way we give our fact about money ritual is the same way you give yours "story story" NO personal experience of it.


I didn't evading your question, I answered you base on the story you tell.

dare2think: No all of Us dont know it, and the people that 'seem' to know it can't prove jack. Na story story.

As for you the ailments you mentioned, yes I believe it exist.

How?

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1. A family member of mine has been diagnosed with Hypertension. How do I know, she was prsecribed with the drugs and I saw her failing health.

2. A friend has been diagnosed with HIV. How Do I know, I saw the lesions all over her body that is often associated with it.

Do you doubt that? Type it in google and see people all over the world experiencing it.

3. My former manager at work and In-law both have diabetis. Proof. I saw their medication and how it affects their health.

As you can See, I have FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE in what you want to find out. If in doubt I will supply thousands of evidence from around the world to back up my claim. From Nigeria to Fiji, I have evidence.



Now you convince me about Money ritual that you have experienced with evidence to back it up!

You're very funny guy! I thought you will say HIV/Hypertension/Diabetis was diagnosed in your body as a personal experience.

You begin to mention family, friend e.t.c and want me to believe. Remember, we mention people that had personal experience of money ritual, testimony, people that police man have arrested of it, people who God has also delivered e.t.c.

It shows that you and your people have baseless fact.

Anyway, God will not allow those sickness to affect us. None has ever happened to me but the fact that it hasn't happened to me doesn't me I should say they are not real.

If it's not real people won't say it, people won't give testimony, people won't share their experience in media or newspaper, people won't do any deliverance.

The sad story there is the souls they have been wasted will face judgement too.

Be wise,

OLAADEGBU: And this is possible as we can see unfolding on this forum.

Very very true that's why I usually advise christians to know the kind of website they visit, let they fall to the prey of the devil.

God with US!

van bonattel: Sorry to burst your bubble, there is nothing like money rituals, can you prove its real with a personal experience instead of your long epistle of "them say, them say"

Alot of you will just act as if you know it all.

I don't know atheist will turn this thread to something else. I thought bebe2 really wants to know something new not knowing she's among.

The major problem atheists have is "spirituality". Let me equate it with this and prove me wrong.

I don't believe anything like hypertension, HIV, diabetis exist. Confuse me here right now don't refer me to any website.

bebe2: guys pls search for all this tricks they are using to keep our pple in bondage, let expose them. post the videos or links here.

So you know this and you're still asking for advice. My prayer for you is that you won't fall a victim in Jesus name. But if you're still doubting no problem. The fact that I don't go to hospital either for malaria or typhoid treatment does it mean I should disprove malaria or typhoid can't kill.

Be wise!

dare2think: Ok I agree. Strange things happen in Ogun State.

And you say this was in 2002 almost about 200 years after the first video camera. In the global age of camera phones and gadjets, no one was able to document this fantastic feat. No one.

All this was exclusive to your eyes only. You know what>> my computer just grew legs and started dancing too. You dare not ask me to prove jack!!

Guy are you not a Nigerian? Somebody like me started using camera phone 2005 that is even because I have left the village.

My friend has a video clip in VHS we are looking on how to copy it to VCD/DVD. It is a video of one festval in Benin I can't remember the name of the village again, is all about this occultic power display where they set a tyre and the man entered it (you can only see the man's head) they pour petrol on it and set it ablase, it burn for almost an hour and they call the man to come out from it and he came out live without any where get burnt.

dare2think: Why not?? (after all, he meduim we are using to communicate has passed through series of conical flask and test tubes for it to be possible.Why not use rituals to communicate with me?)



If he cant prove it why testify to it. Ofcourse I have been to some of the deep villages you speak of, and you know what I see?

Massive underdevelopment due to years corruption, little electricity, little education, inadequate health care, feudal ideologies and primitive and preserved cultural lifestyle (not that aything is wrong with that).

So, if you choose to believe something as absurd as blood money without any proof ( just like sango God of Thunder). Its your choice, dont just expect others to follow suit.

I understand you but think of it, the issue of money ritual does it start from SW and expanded East or North to East? But anywhere you get to in Nigeria you will hear the same story. Then ask yourself, did all Nigeria's ethnic group come from the same place? No!

Where I did my youth service a Village in Cross River state of Nigeria, a mad guy was in that village they later discover that he attempt to use his own blood brother for money ritual but "being that such thing can not be successful in their land according to them" the guy runs mad. He's a graduate, not a smoker but by the testimony from his brother they know everything. I'm not saying the dead body will be vomiting the money but money ritual is real! Charm is real! Devil is real! Hell is real! Heaven is real! And God is real!

dare2think: Ok sir.

Erm... any proof to ascertain these claims?

You want him in Lab with cronical flask, test tube e.t.c to perform the action No, It won't work!

I know you don't believe in spirituality, I will just say you should do a little research by going into some deep village if you're a Nigerian.

kalunomics: do they transplant human head too?

I wonder ooo!

Some people have turned science to something else and civilization can't prove what has ever happened before wrong. If something hasn't happened to you or you havn't witness it doesn't mean is not real. Science is real! But scientists can't prove somethings beyond what they've not experienced i.e spirituality.

Have you ever witness where this ocultic people display their power e.g matchet themselves, shooting guns and it won't enter or where some villages doing their festival then you will know charms are real.

@op, pls try travel to any deep village and just find out about some things yourself.

May God in His infinite mercy continue to abide with us but is just unfortunate that majority of Christians today redicule the Holy Spirit.

God with US!

@op if you're reading Bible always ask for the dicernment of the Holy Spirit and try to quote verse(s) the way it is written.

"The Love of money is the root of all evil.."

Then define love in your own way.

Ogini! I agree with Biolabee but wait ooo how my wife will own me when "iya Dimeji" my sweet mother still alive. My wife still needs to wait for almost 20year before she will replace Her.

With due respect Sir, incase you're a nairalander and reading my post. Confuse me more to know maybe I'll cast my vote for APC or not to vote for anyone at all.

I don't think people hate them as much. Somebody like me hate FIFA action on them thinking they are the best side in the world. Look at the massive performance of this German club side last year yet none of their player's name was found in FIFA's pro 11. They just show it to FIFA that football doesn't start in La Liga and end in La Liga.

My reason anyway.

striktlymi: Morning,

If this is true then it will be another wasted effort...anyways, I believe that creation and evolution goes together. Creation explains how it all began while evolution explains how it developed over the ages.

Same,
I wonder! But some people fail to accept this.

One creationist plans to put his money where his Bible is for a " Literal Genesis Trial ," a$20,000 contest of his creation. The winner must prove or discredit a literal interpretation of the biblical book of Genesis, the Guardian reports.
Dr. Joseph Mastropaolo, who holds a PhD in kinesiology and who taught biomechanics and physiology at California State University, Long Beach, for 26 years , is one of a few scientists who endorses creationism; but he'spart of the 46 percent of Americans who, according to a 2012 Gallup poll, believe that humanity was created as Genesis describes.

Mastropaolo intends to argue for the creationists, and proposes that each side put $10,000 on the line, winner take all. But it's possible that Mastropaolo won't find a counterpart. In a Huffington Post blog published Wednesday, Dr. Michael Zimmerman, founder of the Clergy Letter Project and an evolutionary biologist by training, mocked the trial, saying Mastropaolo actively hunts publicity and peddles "anti-intellectual demagoguery."
An earlier version of Mastropaolo’s concept had intrigued Zimmerman. As Yahoo! News reported, Mastropaolo was behind a similar previous effort , the "Life Science Prize," whichalso challenged evolutionists to a minitrial. Zimmerman said that his attempts to engage Mastropaolo resulted in the latter suggesting he was "psychotic."

According to the Christian Post , an advertisement featured on the Creation Science Hall of Fame's website , an organization that publishes Mastropaolo's articles and plans to help with the project, called on evolution supporters, saying, "This is your chance to shine. Are you willing to participate in a contest to prove your point that the Bible is wrong and that we evolved?"

The Literal Genesis Trial would legally bind the participating parties with regard to the prize, but would have no effect on the discussion inthe five states where creationism bills have been passed.
Oklahoma's Common Education Committee passed a bill in late February that would"permit teachers, schools and students to explore alternative theories [to evolution] without repercussions."
The National Center for Science Education notes that Montana, Arizona, Missouri and Indiana are considering similar legislation . Earlier, Colorado indefinitely suspended an"academic freedom bill" in committee, a movethat effectively killed it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=2963220

Job 14:14 "If a man die, can he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait, for my change to come.

ooman: Your ignorance is not an excuse for the existence of god. everything that happens in nature has a natural explanation. god becomes useless.

You don't know about boolean's algebra and you claim you're a scientist.

I can see your pains not yet converting any christian on this site to an atheist.

Everything that happens in nature has nature explaination but no valid concluding answers.

At the point of "singularity" cosmologist said the universe for no reason begins to expand itself which violate the very first law of Newton's "Every object remain in its stationary position unless external force act on it".

So the external force that acted on it came from where?

I know there are many truth post/comment you've ignored on this post or anytime an issue like this came up but just allow your personal ego to remain.

Why earthquake, diseases e.tc? If God decided to wipe out everything He has created who dare to question Him and all happen for a purpose. Remember all these have been prophesied even the one that yet to be discover. Ask youself how can I escape all these, then you need to move closer to God through Jesus. I know you're once a Christian but His grace and Mercy is still sufficient for you now act fast when there will be no more Grace & Mercy.
God still loves you.

Kay 17: Did you note his point about time? If time begins with big bang, then there can't be a time reference of before Big Bang. Hence the most appropriate time for God to create the universe is at the immediate instant of Big Bang. Which would imply no cause for Big Bang.

As to the Faith claims for Science. I think Faith means blindness

You've answered yourself correctly.

991: christ is ur messiah, Krishna is for Hinduism, mohamed is for muslims, Buddha is for the Buddhists etc
you believe in one messiah and disbelieve the others,
me i disbelieve all. somehow we are all non believers.

Yes in one way or the other we are all unbelievers mind you Christianity is not a religion is a life eternal (life after death) and the right way to be with God. What other religions claim in their life after death?

You might have wondered about things that's going on in Christendom today, yes it will surely happen because people are not seeking for salvation anymore but the earthly things. I can assure you that only 2-3% that are true christian why others seek for vain things.

Kay 17: Science definitely undermines the belief in God. That's a truth. Because it is laughable to believe lightning strikes have a sentient purpose, that lightning is considered with what's good and bad. It is extremely difficult to be a Christian and be aware of advanced scientific achievements and philosophical postions.

People who understand black holes, the power of stars and outer space distances can't be caught finding pots and broomsticks inside trees. Or expecting a short man add up a few inches in a few minutes.

Most comments here are pathetic, it can be summed up that to be a Christian, one must be a dunce

Listen to what Stephen Hawking said I do believe you know him

Stephen Hawking: Existence [prior to the Big b.ang] can be ignored because it would have no observational consequences. One may say that time had a beginning at the big b.ang, in the sense that earlier times simply would not be defined...One could still imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big b.ang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big b.ang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big b.ang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator..."
So what does it mean if the modern origin myth, unlike almost every other in the past, is not based upon the action of a Divine being? Has modern man lost all ability and desire to have faith? Must he believe things based solely upon reason, that is, what can be proved with rational thought and scientific proof? At first, it may appear so. Many people like to imagine that science and reason are incompatible with faith. In fact, many people simply like to imagine that modern man has deteriorated in his capability for irrationality and imagination. However, these modern theories, like the big b.ang/cosmos theory, are incredible works of imagination! Surely, they find their value in their correspondence to experential fact, by what science can prove, by what it can predict, but it came from one man's mind! These theories do not explain everything! In fact, some of them open up more mysteries than they solve.
It is upon faith which theories like the big b.ang rest. We have faith in the matthemtical systems which derived it; we have faith in the observations which confirmed it; we have faith in the laws of science which supported it. In the end, we have faith in ourselves, in our own capabilites of reasoning and imagining. We have faith in the human being. The big b.ang theory, while it differs in the fact that it is a stated theory (that is, open to debate and change) rather than a myth (like ancient lores, which were accepted as truth), is very similar to ancient cosmologies of the origin of the universe. Indeed, they all appear fantastical when we reflect upon them.

i know truth do hurt. God really exist!

Rexyl: The truth of all matter is that man exists in body, soul/mind and spirit. What makes us different from animals is even beyond our reasoning ability which many people are trained to believe. If the spiritual aspect has not been there we could not have reasoned and design beyond what our mind had been programmed to achieve going by the way of nature. In science a system works and delivers within the scope of its use, what is programmed to do. A radio set can not deliver the work of a refrigerator. Learning from what happened to the first man, he was originally living within the frame of his mind until the time the Spiritual aspects came in that he began to imagine a bigger picture about himself and beyond. Also, consider the animals they have not performed beyond the makes of their souls - their instincts even with all complex phases of evolution that might have incurred . You have not seen a group of one of the closest relatives of man: gorila, monkey or chipanzy as science makes man to believe, living their habitats in the wild and thinking of building luxuries to comfort their lives. Evolution is just a concept of physical phenomenon over the time, it is the spirit that makes man to diligently and intellectually fulfils purpose of creation. Man has been from time prone to forces of evil and good, and done some unreasonable things that science can not handle except there is a spiritual rebirth.

The truth that atheist has ever ignored!