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Proffdada: 1+1+1=1 boolean logicDon't mind the guy. Use information as your key point anytime you meet with an atheist. Thank. |
Kay 17: ^^You make me laugh sha.. Anyway we all here to learn a new thing like information you're hearing about now, and just have it at the back of your mind that nature consist three entities not two as atheist claim. Mass, Energy, and Information. Once you believe there something call information in nature you're not an atheist. Back on point, the 1,2,3 or A,B,C you're using today do you think they fall from heaven. Is a general agreement between group of people which everybody comply with. Just like scientific law, do you think you can pass scientific law without second/third party verification and agreement? You need to leave this your atheist life and ask God for more wisdom. |
ooman: its called cladogenesis, we actually witness evolution in nature and in the lab@bold- I laugh in my native language, you know why? When a theist or pagan say something you atheist we ask for evidence i.e video, picture e.t.c. So the evolution you people performed in the lab can not be record and play for everyone to see. Please help me point out just one thing that has experienced evolution since you were born. I didnt run away, i simply left, you were being unreasonableYou ran away because you don't have fact to support your claims go and see how your fellow brother's are disgracing themselves. |
Kay 17: ^^Again define what is intuitive mathematical truth let me see, I don't want to help you on that. But you're claiming 1+1=2 You can see your Bro ooman & weigraf. |
Kay 17: Wiegraf did most of the work already. Hisblud obviously didn't understand what you said, and concluded "god is information." When you were asked what the creator of God spirit, you didn't direct any effort on the question ok, start with 1+1=2 and trace it to its source.You're the one who didn't understand this thread. Why wiegraf didn't come back and reply me post? You equate God with information Yes! You're right because He's the first information generator. What you fail to know and the bone of my contection is all living things carried INFORMATION in their DNA, who wrote them? According to the law of information "purely materials cannot generate information" meaning materials cannot generate immaterials that is only immaterials that can generate immaterials that's why human being can generate a meaningful code. So far DNA & CELLS carry information it must surely be written by immaterials (spirit). GOD IS SPIRIT You don't know the source of 1+1=2, and you call youself a science student. I put it to you as an assignment, who are the founder of mathematics? |
ooman: ^^^but that is exactly what you believe - creation from nothing bla blah blaahhI can see evolution in indeed, when did you witness evolution last? You runaway from truth claiming vague fact and using untilligent words. https://www.nairaland.com/1272650/information-evidence-creator/2 |
Let me show you something from Holy Bible. Genesis 2:7 KJV, says "And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground,(meaning Mass & Energy were present but nothing happen). And He breathed a breath of life (information) into his nostrils and he became a living soul. (everything i.e DNA, CELLS begin to function It only takes noncarnally minded people to discover this. |
Good moring wiegraf! wiegraf: You don't know what atheism and humanism are. And again, even if you stumbled into the world of abstract and ideas and somehow quantified it, in what way does that invalidate other philosophies?Why prolonging matter, I don't know what atheist is and you that know it, why can't you explain? Afterall you can see many definitions and quoted laws from me. Everything in this universe is energy. Every.single.thing. Read up on fields, bosons, etc. Or do tell, what happens to the mass in matter after matter is converted energy?You're still argueing about this. Is information an energy? [b]Let me cite this example, the Physical feature of a computer is HARDWARE(mass), Battery is the source of energy, SOFTWARE is the information. If you remove the battery does that erase the software? Meaning information can stand or exist without energy. Abstract concepts are different, which is what you're trying to talk about under the pseudo-scientific nonsense. But they are perhaps, peculiar...But you can fathon some truth from this pseudo-science of mine. So it's a fact that talking snakes, man living in whale, and a racist god (who had never come across iron on a battlefield) existed here less than 6000 years ago? It's also a fact that illogical nonsense like omniscience and omnipotency exist? Look up the meaning of the word fact, it's a common word so ignorance is not an excuse.I believe because God spoke and universe popped out of nothing and it takes FAITH to do that like you believe in EVOLUTION by faith not that it has happened in your presence. Don't get me wrong, indulge yourself, no one's forcing you (or even capable of doing so). This board is called 'religion', so this is where you're supposed to discuss these things. But if you call out atheists with this nonsense, as proof of god/SPIRIT, of course you're going to get ridiculed. Deservedly so, keep your nonsense to yourselves. For instance, the bold is another particularly foolish thing to say, something I'd expect to hear only from someone in primary school.Why using caustic words? Afterall we are here to learn from each other. This your ground breaking research, why is it only available on your xtian site? Even other xtians keep away from it, can you guess why?Name the christian that shun information as evidence. Or you think is Christians that formulate information? Begins to do research on information and its law. |
wiegraf: So, why is it SPIRIT in humans, yet software in machines? Because you say so? They are not the same thing, in your words, "information"Yes I said it. But why simple english is so difficult for you to understand? Did I use grammar in my post? Get the clue once again, SOFTWARE is an information generated by intelligent source "human being" is already in your body(mass & energy) all you just need to do is to make it seen by writing it down and it works with physical machine. Because it is human code that has meaning, so they name it SOFTWARE try to check the definition of software and see. *Note: information can only come from intelligent source/sender like human being and it has been discovered that the most complex and meaningful code has ever come from human. See where you got it wrong, human's DNA is responsible for LIFE and it has also been comfirmed that they carry code billions times bigger than any present code this generation has ever generated. Then ask yourself who wrote those code? So human informations are called software gene (spirit) because they dont know how it came into an existence. Remember all information can be trace back to an intelligent source/sender. Can you or can you not create software? Or is it only discovered?It has been answered. If your god is SPIRIT, and SPIRIT requires intelligence, then which SPIRIT wrote designed your god?This's the most logical & intelligent question ever asked on this thread. But here are your answers, the major argument here or anywhere in the world is that nature exist and how it came into and existence? 1) some says it happened by chance, 2) some says a supernatural force responsible for it, 3) and some says a SPIRIT (GOD) exist that cause the causes. Definitely one option must correct. The question now is, how individuals arrive at their final claim? The race begins, number 1) said at a point of sigularity for unknown reason something begins to expand causes our universe. Number 2) said somebody was coming with a chain from above and spread the universe. Number 3) said a SPIRIT (God) spoke and universe was made through His word. *NOTE: there are many claims about the formation of the universe but I just give these three example. Another question arise here, what support individual claim? Again, Number 1) said nature consists of only matters (mass and energy) nothing like SPIRIT. Number 2) said through metaphysics everything was revealed. And Number 3) said the same SPIRIT reveal itself to some peoples through revelations and inspiration and everything was written down. Then we left with no conclusion because can we say individuals were wrong? No! But fact and prove hold the truth. Now what hold the major fact is "INFORMATION". In 2006, Dr. Werner Gitt an information scientist for both human and machine language propose definition for information with other scientist and reach an agreement to be called Universal Definition of Information, UDI. Then UDI contains four attributes which I have explained. Then anything outside or lack one of these attributes is not regard as INFORMATION. Let me just quote some laws about information but I won't explain it, though they're more than these. 1) Purely materials can't generate information 2) All informations require a sender or must have an intelligent source/sender 3) Informations can't be generate through a statistical processes One of the matters that made up earth is living thing i.e human being, with latest research it has been discovered that human's cells & DNA carry informations that resemble human code and find its way complied with four attributes of UDI. So for birds to stop flying, it needs a new informations in its DNA, for human to evolve from apelike need a set of information into its DNA e.t.c Now that human being carried an information in its DNA, let ask ourselves these questions base on the quoted laws above. *Since human has information in its DNA, who wrote those information? since all information can be trace back to an intelligent source/sender, L2 *How come human has information since information can't be generate from purely matters? L1 *If nature happen by CHANCE, how come human carry information? Since no amount of time and chance that can generate meaningful informations. [/]Out of the assumption about formation of the universe through my explanation, which one do you think is most likely correct?[/b] Just type your answer don't quote me. I will reply the rest tomorrow. |
hisblud: @Emusan, This is good information about information being the third part after mass and energy, i truly enjoyed the flow of your ideas to show how God is the unseen information in the whole structure of what we know...My Brother, it's God and let all glory be unto Him alone. God will not allow darkness to prevail kudos to creation scientist and informations scientist their the one who made us to understand that nature does not contain matters alone (mass & energy) as atheist do claim but with information which has been discovered in all living gene according to the post and various comment. Thanks sir! |
wiegraf: ^^^God will help you, I said in human it is SPIRIT in computer it's software one can compare them. Software is not part of the physical hareware you can create and destroy software. It's like the man that scarter radio to find what is talking inside but discover that nobody is there talking. Software is human's code written from intelligent socure and can be trace back to whosoever wrote it. So is an information. Also, you have no idea as to what humanism and atheism are....Is it not what ooman use in his signature? Beside, atheism, humanism e.t.c derived their stand in materialism believing in matter alone. You can see my respond to that with kay 17. When you want to figure out who's more powerful, satan, spiderman or the holy spirit, then by all means, please, get your info from an xtian site. When you actually want to learn something real, scientific and of value, please don't go anywhere near an xtian site. To picture how silly it looks, consider BH leaders still think the world is flat....Yes I will which I'm also doing. Because Christians will never curb anything just to provide a fact. Imagine a statement like this "scientist observe, modify, and tested their laws before being approved and their laws never contradicted" I found this on Christian site. But atheists do always say Bible contradict itself. So I love it |
Kay 17: ^^For more explanation, all information can be trace back to an intelligent soucre, then the informations in living DNA can be trace back to who? Disprove molecule-to-life. Again information can not be generate from a purely materials meaning matters can not produce information. Also, Information can not be generate in a statistical processes meaning no amount of time and chance given that can generate a meaningful information. Disprove nature happened by CHANCE. |
Kay 17: ^^Listen to yourself, 1+1=2 It's a human's code that has meaning for expected action to carry out intended purpose. You can see it complies with four attributes of foundamental entity of information. Go and search more about DNA code it's moreallelse human's code and it is found within these four attributes of information. I know your level in science is still in internet and textbook, people that are greater and achieve much in science are still battling with information. Meaning no scientist neither atheist nor creationist has ever disprove INFORMATION so information is the third entity of nature after mass & energy. |
dare2think: @emusanI understand your point Mr. Dare! Imagine many people on this thread sharing different experience. Ask yourself, are they living in the same area? If I share my own story now to you it's storyyyy storyyyy but I won't waste my time on telling you. But let me take you to scientific world the one you can understand and you base your believe upon. Have you heard/read about INFORMATION? If you haven't try to do so. And I've created a thread on information titled "Information: evidence for a creator". I'm quite sure you will have viewed it but ignored it because many of you (atheist) can not disprove INFORMATION. For you to know, according to atheist from ages made us to understand that nature consists only matter (that's why you'll see any atheist, humanist, evolutionist always fight againt spirituality) which are two foundamental entities (mass & energy) but now the third entity has been added 'INFORMATION'. Now nature consists three foundamental entities: *Mass (physical) *Energy (force) *Information (spirit) * I called it SPIRIT because it is immaterial, it works like software, it can't be generate from a purely materials e.t.c just check the link sir. Expand your knowledge on that here. https://www.nairaland.com/1272650/information-evidence-creator/2#15517416 http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator |
wiegraf: Enough to make just about capable of thinking straight ignore the rest. Exactly how are humanism, atheism, perhaps even evolution, based on materialism? And even if that were true, if you found another component, that suddenly makes philosophies built around materialism false? Because? Materialism suddenly stops to exist because you found other components?@redcolor, because their believe base on matters only nothing like Spirit. Or do you believe in spirit? @bolded, I never said material cease to exist because INFORMATION has been confirmed. The new recent addition of INFORMATION made us known that nature did not made up of matters only, get the clue. Once information is immaterials and informations can only come from intelligent source, and information can be created and destroyed, and information is not part of any materials to carry it out it means information is SPIRIT just like software. And if you're conveniently reducing everything in the universe to two entities, "mass and energy" (the quotes in this context are ridiculously silly btw), then it should be one entity. Mass and energy are the same.Another dimension from atheist "mass and energy are the same" see their definition: MASS:-A coherent, typically large body of matter with no definite shape. Meaning it can be touch and feel. ENERGY:-Energy is defined as the ability or the capacity to do work. We use energy to do work and make all movements. Are they the same? MATTERs is the one comprises both mass and energy. And the word 'material' was derived from the word matter, that's why anything in connection with SPIRIT(s) is a poison to atheism, humanism, evolutionism. We can see on this forum how you people fought againt money ritual, juju, body-proof juju e.t.c So we have three foundamental entities that nature made off they are: *mass(physical) *energy(force) *information(Spirit) |
wiegraf: ^^^What is the question and who asked the question? I hope you start the reading from beginning? |
Kay 17: ^^Who am I to give information a definition. Definetely you didn't read the link and read some comment on this post. According to Universal Definition of Information (UDI) object must find within these four attribute before being called information. *code *meaning *expected action *intended purpose your name just gives a description about you or give you a meaning, so if anything lack one out of these four attribubes is not regard as information. By UDI Information can be compare to software it can be created and destroyed that's what make it immaterials and it has been corfirmed that all living things carried information in their gene. So nature doesn't consist only matters (mass & energy) but also informations (spirit). That's why human being has a spirit. First Law of Information (LI1) Information cannot originate in statisticalprocesses. (Chance plus time cannot create information no matter how many chances or how much time is available. I believe you'll understand better now. |
Kay 17: I love Yvonne is information, betrays a particular knowledge. However it is not a command. Neither are weather reports nor rain measurements.Hope you understand what you read in the post about four attributes of information. For your own good and clear understanding information can not be find in every object. Try to read more about information on that link. |
Toluwarni: Dude! I recorded that video my self... So please, don't say its edited, because you weren't there when it happenedYou don't know them before, if you provide evidence they will redicule it, if you don't they'll ask for it. I created a thread titled "Information: Evidence of a creator" many of them (atheist) ignored it. It's only ooman that try to stay but at the end he loose. So if you continue to argue with them they'll always find an excuse. For more details about creationist scientist that expose the hidden lies of atheist scientist search this link. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2 take your time to read all the message there don't rush it might take you more than a week never mind and give up. Thanks |
FOLYKAZE: People like you will say Ifa priest are fake and tricksters. But the problem you guys have is that you have not done critical investigation but follows every thing that works with belief. Though we have the fake ones like babalawo and all the fake juju men. But I have met Ifa priest that tell everything about me even when we are meeting for the first time. This same man will tell you your problem without you informing him. We got lot of them in the country but the fake ones have destroyed their dignity.Sorry oooo @redcolor, you're not an atheist because atheist presupposition are materialism nothing like spirit. Once you include spirit everything under it materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) are false which it has been proved wrong now. Nature does not make of only materials but with information i.e like the one you're proving wright now. For more enlightment about INFORMATION visit here http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator |
FOLYKAZE: People like you will say Ifa priest are fake and tricksters. But the problem you guys have is that you have not done critical investigation but follows every thing that works with belief. Though we have the fake ones like babalawo and all the fake juju men. But I have met Ifa priest that tell everything about me even when we are meeting for the first time. This same man will tell you your problem without you informing him. We got lot of them in the country but the fake ones have destroyed their dignity.Sorry oooo @redcolor, you're not an atheist because atheist presupposition are materialism nothing like spirit. Once you include spirit everything under it materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) are false which it has been proved wrong now. Nature does not make of only materials but with information. For more enlightment about INFORMATION visit here http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator |
Purist: That Skinny Kid had no "spiritual attacks", he was just a poor sick boy who needed lots of CARE.This thread is really interesting; Freethinker vs atheist. Who we win? I don't want to comment before but seen your quoted post make me comment. Somebody said a skinny boy "whenever the spirit came upon him, he will begin to do unusual things i.e carry heavy things. Yet you said "He sick and need to be taking care of" How do you define your own sick? I mean if someone sick. |
OLAADEGBU: Hi Emusan, did you get my pm?Hi OLAADEGBU, Yes, I'm so sorry I haven't checked it. I will reply immediately I check it. |
dare2think: Lol, why the agro!!!Why are you exagerate just to support your claim? Where did airplane crew throw the man out? Because airplane windows are unlike car's windows. Even if the one you entered has lock & hinge for closing & opening not at the mid-air we all know that. |
Kay 17: I don't understand why you'd believe all information are Commands. That's the major flaw in your "grandeur" OPOnce you find it comply with four attributes of UDI it's a command mr man. Because the third attribute (Expected action) make it clear, you might not need it at that particular time but it's there for a purpose. And try to visit the LINK too. |
ooman: keep deluding yourself! where did I deny information? even though you have mixed everything up, using human definition to define information in nature, I still played along because I find you amusing!Your new discovary word 'delude' everything to you is delude. Anyway you didn't get me right I said "No scientist ever say INFORMATION didn't exist" reread my post again. Once you agree with information then you're not an atheist because informations are nonmaterial. Haven't you heard that DNA code's are moreallelse like human's code. |
Emusan: I've said it before, one day atheist scientists will declear there's God. (Very funny thing argument between themselves 'supernatural' no 'supernatural'.) |
musKeeto: For egg with shell, soak egg in vinegar. Do yourself a favor and go through the thread before commenting. There's lot of information you won't get in a white house church....muskeeto God's grace and Mercy are still sufficient that's why you continue to say those words (signature) but a time is coming when Grace and Mercy won't be there anymore. I know you skip JOHN chapter1 before qtuotten and add your under statement. |
ooman: how can the bold make sense to you.Not that I don't want to reply you but discussing this topic with you is far beyond your comprehension because no scientist being atheist or creationist ever disprove information. Yes I said it, He made everything out of nothing (including you & I) because He has power over nothing. About your question ask yourself, does it contain four attributes of infromation mention earlier? If your answer is yes i will explain, if no 'no reply'. |
I've said it before, one day atheist scientists will declear there's God. (Very funny thing argument between themselves 'supernatural' no 'supernatural'.) We're moving toward it soon which is 'INFORMATION', they believed nature contains only two entities (mass & energy). Then what if the third entity can find its way in nature it means their assumptions is wrong (materialism) and everything that go with materialism is wrong (atheist, evolutionist, humanist). It has been confirmed that nature consists INFORMATION and information is nonmaterials(Spirit). The question now is where does this information come from? For more on 'INFORMATION 'click here: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/information-evidence-for-a-creator Before I go I want to clear this with my Christian brethen's. Anytime you want to say anything about scientist please always make it clear the particular scientist you're talkin about because we have creationist scientist that believe in the existence of God Almighty and they've impacted more to this genertion. Thanks! |
ooman: ^^^ you think not taking you seriously means lack of answer. well, you are deluded. nothing you have said disproves evolution, on the other hand, it disproves god.@redcolor, if all what I've said didn't disprove evolution, philosophies of materialism (atheist, humanist, evolutionist) get their presupposition from materials; everything in nature evolve from materials INFORMATION (spirit) never included. Then once INFORMATION can be trace and find its place in nature, what materialism meant for? Absolutely, nothing comes from nothing. But thanks be to God and to His glory for He reigns forever because God is a SPIRIT not NOTHING and He controls NOTHING that's why the whole universe including the person reading this post came into existence. |
ooman: This is why I told you to define what you mean by information in nature!I believe all my explanations right from the beginning of this thread is enough for you to know nature informations. Once again claiming nature contains informations prove your philosophy useless(evolution). You called striky to help you, over 100 viewers appear on this thread which I'm quite sure atheist are among but they know the reality of this thread is beyond their capability they decided to remain silent. Beside, did I say Bible is a science textbook? The time you're still reading Bible; have you found any science law(s) there? But it's for those who read Bible without carnal mind. OLAADEGBU has done enough justice to that in one of his thread titled "Science confirm Bible". Yes 100% assurance God is never a created being. He is the creator of the creations. Luke1:37 says "for with God NOTHING shall be imposible" before nothing there's always something which is the GOD Almighty. |
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