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striktlymi: Hallo Emusan,
Nice piece but c'mon man!

Yes, it is true that some things about evolution as posited in some quarters are pure Hogwash but we can't undermine the fact that the theory has it's merits too.

Take a look at the theory again and carefully sieve out the facts, then you might just appreciate what the theory has brought.

Thanks.

@bold- You don't need to be confuse by atheist especially the one on this forum, they keep hammering "that's not what atheism mean, you don't know atheism yet bla bla" even one of them said atheism came before Darwinia's theory of evolution. I have asked them severally, what is atheism? No one reply me.

The only thing evolutionist has gained over the years is a rebellion over religions precisely Christian.

We have three branches of science: Historical, Observational and Operational- these three branches of science have their background claim inwhich evolution fall within Historical science..., you can ask me why! because what evolutionist claims from materialism or naturalism is that: 1) Nature happened by chance, 2) molecules-to-man, 3) man evolves from ape-like e.t.c and now no evidence have been provided to support this claims it's just a fallacious belief for those who rest their faith on it and it places evolution under Historical science.

Don't mix it up, Historical & Observational science are totally difference that's why some scientist now look into Darwin's work to check its accuracy.

Like the POPULATION in my post (though isn't in detail because of space) it was proved mathematically that if the years(2,000,000~100,000) given by evolutionist about the race of humans on earth was true, the global population by now will reach ~Decillion but what we have as global population is just over 7billion.

Again, over the years evolutionist made us to understand that nature contains only matters(mass & energy), during the time that Darwin published his book of evolution the cells in all living thing wasn't properly studied they called it "Black Box" because it was believed cells is just ordinary product of matters. Whereas evidence has been showed that all living DNA contains and INFORMATIONs. With the help of informational scientist we realized that DNA code is quitely similar to that of human's code, according to the laws & theorems of information - it was revealled that information in living cells is too complex and information is an immaterials(spirit) that doesn't pocess any characteristics of matters (means information cannot be generate from matters) many more about information.

About life evolution claim premordial germ that life evolve from, with many trial and error evolutionist has failed about the origin of life-they only claim life evolve spontaneously means the origin of life (molecules-to-life) by evolutionist is just an assumption with no scientific support.

The only way you can see the clear picture of evolution is to first all discover that most atheist hide under the works of observational science to support evolution, nothing about evolution has ever been proved true scientifically.

I reply all the quote on this thread with this.

hisblud: Hmm this is very plausible reason...chance = NO PURPOSE but around me i see purpose thus not just by CHANCE!

Likewise me! Lol

eddy1234: WHAT MAKES ME A DIFFERENT CHRISTIAN IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE POWER OF THE HOLYSPIRIT AND THE LEVEL I OPERATE IN IT.DO YOU KNOW THERE IS A LEVEL YOU CAN GET WITH D HOLYSPIRIT AND U CAN DISAPPEAR IN A CROWD OF DANGER.ITS IN D BIBLE NOW,IT ALSO HAPEND TO JESUS.THE QUESTION IS,WHAT DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE DO YOU HAVE WITH D HOLYSPIRIT.IF U TINK IT ENDS IN TONGUES NA SO E GO END FOR U.U CNT B MORE DAN U KNOW.

I so much impressed with your respond. Most christians today have neglected the Holy Spirit, imagine some said there in Christ for almost 3-5years without baptism and perfect relationship of the Holy ghost.

plaetton: Ouch! Ouch!

My skin is pinching!

I feel soooooo embarrassed,just by reading this.
How can can I feel soooo embarrassed by something I did not even write?.

I guess I have a strong sense of empathy. My weakness.

Being ignorant is not a crime. We are all ignorant of one thing or another .

But complex ignorance?
That's another thing altogeher.
Complex ignorance is when someone that has a half-baked, quarter baked, or wholly ignorant of a subject, boldly goes in public to argue for or against the subject in question.

Before an adult comes out in public to attempt to repudiate something, say the theory of evolution, isn't it just common sense to at least study the subject in depth, and then come out with a coherent, logical and academically structured and scientifically leaning argument for or against the subject?

I know that not everyone in our poor country is opportuned to have a university education, and I, by no means, ever look down on those who do not.
But if one does not have a basic academic grounding, some subjects will always be above one's head.
If one does not have a good academic grounding in science, then complex scientific ideas would always be above one's head.

The op has demonstrated in his post, that he lacks firm grounding in basic high school science, basic anthropology, basic junior secondary school history, basic knowledge of astronomy and physics.
And yet he is here on public forum to debate on subjects that he demostrably, by reading his post, lacks even basic knowledge.
Who is he going to debate with?

You're there ranting like what you evolve from and your post full of baseless words. Who ask you in debate? You that have never gave any reasonable point on this forum before.

If there are fallicies on the post, why can't you point it out and give the best answer.

nnofaith: lol! did the holy spirit tell you that?!

Will you stop your corwardness and answer my question.

ooman: erhm guy, for your allusion to my signature, people become atheists for many reasons, not just for science and evolution..
in fact atheism predates modern evolutionary theory by Darwin so shut up there.

Then, whta is atheism?
And what support atheism claim; no God?
because evolutionist, atheist, humanist derived their stand from materialism

we say life spontaneously evolved, you say god is uncaused. shouldn't common sense tell you that we are all saying that a design does not need a designer, the difference is just the design we all refer to.

I never knew you can come to a conclusion with this your post (You of all atheist and you can so brag as if atheist have answer to all quetsions). I knew you choose to ignore that thread because you don't have a valid answer.

Life evovle spontaneously from where? Air, land, sea, moon e.t.c
you deserve not to be an atheist with this your reply

Remember you said something about life in my thread title "Information-evidence for a creator" which I told you not to derail the thread. For you to say "very soon atheist will produce life means you must have known the origin".

you claim that the most complex, perfect, infallible, omnipotent, omniscient, omnifiscient, sovereign spirit does not need a designer

but
we claim that a falible, imperfect, ever changing world does not need a designer.

so who makes more sense??

my dear, I think atheists and non atheists do.

I can see you make sense by not knowing where life originated from.

In hoping for an accurate answers about the universe, many people have been pondering and asking what could be the actual answer for the origin of our universe. Think of it; we both have the same facts i.e fossilized materials, moon, earth, galaxies e.t.c but different presuppositions and once one's historical belief cut off means other might have correct.

Let's quickly look at the facts that refuted the universe or man's life happend by chance.
Nature happened by chance according to evolutionist; but most works of nature never operate by chance. Anything call chance means no PURPOSE.

1. Youself- One thing that is very common among humans is that human being never operated without PLANNING according to his/her own PURPOSE (though the plan might not achieved sometimes; but we plan everyday according to our PURPOSE)

2. Scientist- Since history of science with the greatest works of science today. It has never been recorded in history that scientist acheived a work by chance. They critically examine and apply intelligent.

3. Population- You may ask, what concern population with evolution? But various evolutionists claim human evolve from ape-like over (2billions highest) -(100,000 least) years ago. The population of the world, based upon the Berlin census reports of 1922, was found to be 1,804,187,000. The human race must double itself 30.75 times to make this number(simply use 2 in power of x times). After all allowances are made for natural deaths, wars, catastrophes, and losses of all kinds, By the same method of calculation as above, the Jews, who, according to the Jewish yearbook for 1922, number 15,393, 815, must have doubled their numbers 23.8758 times, or once every 161.251 years. The whole human race, therefore, on an average has doubled its numbers every 168.3 years; and the Jews, every 161.251 years. If the human race is 2,000,000years old, the period of doubling would be 65,040 years, or 402 times that of the Jews, which, of course, is unthinkable. With this the population of the world suppose to record ~over Decillion but currently world population is ~over 7billion.

4. Species- They tell us that 3,000,000 species of plants and animals developed from one primordial germ, in 60,000,000 years. How many new species should have arisen in the last 6,000 years? And since the number of species must have increased in a geometrical ratio, 2097 species must have arisen or matured within the last 6000 years--an average of one new species of animals every 3 years. How many species actually have arisen within the last 6000 years? 2000? 200? or 2? It is not proven that a single new species has arisen in that time. Not one can be named. If approximately 2000 new species have not arisen in the last 6000 years, the evolution of species can not possibly be true. Even Darwin says: "In spite of all the efforts of trained observers, not one change of species into another is on record." Sir William Dawson, the great Canadian geologist, says: " No case is certainly known in human experience where any species of animal or plant has been so changed as to assume all the characteristics of a new species."

5. Religions- The unity of ancient religions proves the creation of man who received a divine revelation. According to evolution, all religions were evolved or invented by humanoids. In that case, we would expect them to be widely divergent; and we would be surprised, if they agreed on great and important points, and especially on points which could not be clearly arrived at by reason. For instance, what in reason teaches us that an animal sacrifice is a proper way to worship God? How could unassisted reason ever arrive at the conclusion that God is properly worshipped by sacrificing a sheep or an ox? A very high authority says,"Sacrifices were common to all nations of antiquity, and therefore, traced by some to a personal revelation. It was revealed. No race of monkey-men could ever have invented the idea.

6. Intelligent Design movement- Phillip Johnson is known as the father of intelligent design. The idea in its current form appeared in the 1980s, and Johnson adopted and developed it after Darwinian evolution came up short, in his view, in explaining how all organisms, including humans, came into being and concluded that organisms can't come into existence true natural processes.

7. Information- Human's DNA carries a complex information which surpassed any informations ever generated by humans and it complies with UDI, and information isn't a properties of matters.

8. Rotation- Our planets rotate on their axis and revolve the sun. For example when Earth rotate, it rotates on just two axis W-E causes day/night whereas it has four axes N:E:W:S (where NEWS was dderived) but earth never change its axis of rotations.

There're still facts recently that disprove evolution i.e age of the Earth, rocks e.t.c

nnofaith: you will get a detailed and comprehensive answer in the book of genesis of the bible.

Why are you refering to Bible when your faith didn't hold with it?

Afterall atheist do claim everything in the universe are in their control. Can you please give me the answer since you people claim life doesn't begin from God instead of twisting and runing away from my question.

mazaje1: I asked you a simple question, do you have any scientific method of measurements that shows that the earth is 6000 years old?. . Do you know anything about scientific methods of dating?. . .What am i to do with a fringe group of scientist?. . .If you have any objective means of measurement that shows that the earth is 6000 years old bring it forward. . .

With your shallow brain you can still say "if I have any objective means of measurement that shows that the earth is 6000years old I sholud bring it"

I gave you an assignment you called fring groub. Did you know how RATE was formed?
RATE-Radioisotopes Age of The Earth, it's a group well known in U.S that make use of AMS-Accelerator Mass Spectrometer by using radioactive materials C-14, C-12 e.t.c so browse and see.

nnofaith: what is the intelligent design in creating cave men?. the problem with most of you theist is that you look at life today and think it has always been like this. all that you see around you today was created by man himself. the arguement of creationalism applies to god too. who or what created god?

Most of atheist problem is that they fail to their vicinity to pursue the truth.

About Intelligent Design movement they're not creationist (had it been they're creationist they would've attached it to the God the Bible is talking about) and the works of ID movement gives a room for evolution because they said "intelligent design can only be seen mostly in living things. They are scientist too and their work is well recognized.

@bold-I can see no wonder man don't know how life came into existence.

Answer my question.

plaetton: Why are you surprised?
In this century, any dumb dumb who still holds that the earth was created 6000 years ago is not worth paying attention to.
I think it would be a bit condenscending to attempt to engage in any meaningful discussion with such a fellow.

What is your problem and did you seeanything like age in my post? I ask you a question about life, you're there talking about age. It's better you park well if you don't have the answer.

Another way to runway!

musKeeto: Like I said, atheism isn't a stance on the origin of the universe.
Speaking for myself, I don't know how the universe began. Science may eventually do so. You can choose to call my ignorance 'God'. He's an easy answer.

@bod-then what is atheism?

Are you sure you understand what you're saying?

And why do you believe there's no God?

Anyway I know this question is beyond your level but think of it, if evolutionist can't find answer to origin of life then how much should we trust their assumptions on the origin of the universe.

musKeeto: @Oga Emusan

@1st bold: Wow. How?
@2nd bold: Is this an admission that there are many Gods?
@3rd bold: Darwin was a Christian. He never identified with atheism, I read somewhere he said he was best described as agnostic.

Your above statement get there answer because I don't want to derail this thread myself but I will attend to them in any thread relating to them.


Back to the topic, how does life begin in the universe? Just answer with evidence/proof.

FOLYKAZE: I love this christiano-evolution. They are putting away bible and sticking with logic and science.

What name can I call this?


I choose christscience faith.


But wait OP, Your bible taught you that God creates the heart for thinking. Didn't God fail biology here?

You said you're not a scientist, then why are you jumping up and down to defend evolutionism?

@red- you ask this same question in OLAADEGBU's thread titled "science comfirms Bible" and I quoted it but you didn't reply.

Get this illustration- computer has a ROM which can be refer to as the HEART of a computer and has a PROCESSOR which is known as the BRAIN. BIOS (Basic Input & Output Setup) is a manufacturer's instruction that control all hardware in computer and it is placed inside ROM(Heart), instructions in ROM(BIOS) tells PROCESSOR what to do and PROCESSOR only "processing data" now equate it with human's heart and brain.

FOLYKAZE: •Here we see the Son of God {Jesus} failing basic biology: He doesn’t know what the heart is for.
MT 15:18 But those things which proceedout of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
MT 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evilthoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies

I hope it will add more to your ignorant. You're not and atheist so join where you can get wisdom.

Atheism is even a religion not base only on faith because they solely rest upon Dawkin's work which they refer to anytime.

Deep Sight: Humans have been on the Earth for thousands of years and, being intelligent beings, have sought to rationalize their existence on this planet: to understand and contextualize it; and this has in most cases resulted over generations into one form of religious thought or the other.

Are there any key aspects of religious thinking that you would consider to hold true as per human reality and existence?

Religion of evolutionism

I'm very sure you're not a scientist like Folykaze.

christemmbassey: i de follow o, but let me ask, what about the Holy Spirit?

One of the work of Holy Spirit is to bring us to perfection either jews nor gentiles as explain by the Op.

Logicboy03: Just seen the thread.....Bullshyt
Kay dealt with it appropriately

Yes he did to conclude that "The search is still on, and a probable natural process is not far off." or maybe you skip this one too. To conclude this way means no more explanation due to lack of answer.

Why can't he answer my simple question: how does life begin in the universe?

"Life is just about 1% among the things that ever happened by natural processes in this universe-according to evolutionist". It took evolutionist less than 20 years to come to conclusion of how universe came into existence through cosmos/big ba.ng yet it is difficult for evolutionist for over 60 years now, to tell us how this small percent of life began in the universe.

FOLYKAZE: Well im not a scientist so I dont think I should ponder stuff I dont know. Dont expect atheist to give you all answers. You cant expect me to tell you the origin of love or the origin of peace. You cant ask me the origin of language. I dont know and if you want to know, do your own research.


From your blind research, the answer you will give us is God. He creates life and life originate from Him.

The problem your likes have is that you close your mind to God when answer is not given to your questions.


But lets look within. Gods live and die according to psalm 82. Your God lives eternally. If God is living, where did his life come from? Then it means He got it from somewhere, sometime and some moment. Therefore, life predate God.


You just cant tell me here that God is outside life. And if you do, he is not living.

You're not a scientist an you claim to be an atheist "atheism is the acceptance of reality.....by ooman" through what? Through Historical science. No wonder you argue blindly. Then you really make it clear that atheism is a religion.

Childish question,
*who created God?
*Is God outside the time?
*Where God get His own life? Bla bla bla. When you've been told many times that God is a self-existence being, omni-potent, omni-scient, all-purposeful, omni-present, highly intelligent. I know whenever your arguement is being retorted you people begin to ask these childish questions.

The presupposition of atheist is there's no God or supernatural being who's responsible for the universe existence which has been disproved by Intelligent Design (ID) movement though they didn't attach it to the God of the Bible but they conclude there's an intelligent supernatural designer responsible for this universe i.e great spirit, braham, Allah, God, gods e.t.c whereas the founder of evolutionism didn't ask this type of question before he draws his conclusion that "there's no God" he only said so because of his assumptions theories about the universe. To call yourself an atheist and asking these childish questions means you believe there's God you want to see Him/show Himself to you to get some fact from Him.

Logicboy03: Will check the thread later....must have missed it

You didn't miss anything because you atheist spend 90% of your time on religion section, so don't be logical here.
Before you even check the thread, answer my question first.

alexleo: My dear these atheists are just deceiving themselves and gathering claims upon claims to support their deceit. They have serially failed to prove that their is no God. Davidylan has slugged it out with them and they failed woefully. There was another thread here that also hit their useless believe hard and none of them could respond to disprove what the poster wrote just like they did in your thread. Most of them are just jumping around and claiming they are atheists yet they can't even defend what they believe and why they believe. To me you people should ignore them and their useless belief and continue to preach the word. Lift Jesus higher and those who want to accept him will do so for their own good while those who want to reject him can do so to their detriment. God bless you.

You're right but sometimes they do think Christians are born with Bible forgotten that we both did science in O'level and continue till date.

@bold- You've said it all.

I created this thread with over 40views which I quitely sure that atheist are among but unfortunately no atheist can disprove it except only Kay 17 who tried and finally concluded "The search is still on, and a probable natural process is not far off."

https://www.nairaland.com/1284416/life-cant-originate-natural-processes

The question is: How does LIFE begin in the universe?

mazaje1: Because some fringe group of scientist disagree with the dating methods means what?. . .They should show how wrong it is and win a noble peace price, what are they waiting for?. . .The age of the earth has been accurately measured to be about 4 billion years. . .Do you have any scientific method of dating that shows the earth to be 6000 years old?. . .Hope you know that ancient egypt was robust and existing about 6000 years ago?. . .

Anyway, you've been carried away with your atheism. That's why I said you should do a research on the so called RATE group. Over the years evolutionist had made us to understand many thing but recently more light has been sheld on it which exposed the lies they're feeding us.

mazaje1: Yes the do, its the same assumption they used to send men to space, send space observatories, send men to the moon and do many incredible things. . .The age of the earth has different methods of calculating it. . .And all produce about the same result. . .It is light from distant stars that is used to calculate the age of stars. . .

Yea, they do incredible works over the years which we can see but no assumption of laws.

The method introduce (radiometric dating) to calculate the age of stars, earth, fossilise materials e.t.c is full of assumption which it has been refuted by "RATE group". (Radioisotopes and the Age of The Earth). The team of scientists included:
*. Larry Vardiman , PhD Atmospheric Science
*. Russell Humphreys, PhD Physics
*. Eugene Chaffin , PhD Physics
*. John Baumgardner , PhD Geophysics
*. Donald DeYoung , PhD Physics
*. Steven Austin , PhD Geology
*. Andrew Snelling , PhD Geology
*. Steven Boyd, PhD Hebraic and Cognate Studies.

I won't give you any link but do the reseach yourself about-RATE group and radiometric.

mazaje1: Where in the bible was it written that the earth was created 6000 years ago, and where is the scientific evidence or method of dating that shows the earth is 6000 years old?

You can't see it because it will be very difficult for you to put "christians spiritual glass" on, if you can take your pen and begin to add from Christ - Noah - Adam then you can see where I got my age.

You're saying scientific evidence! Do scientist have any evidence in calculating earth age or universe, rather than assumption?

They dated it with assumption of speed of light and rigidity of time which are all flaws.

Toluwarni: @Emusan
Trust me bro i can't lose my faith in GOD...I've seen to many things to lose my faith in Him I'm just trying to let these dudes know how limited their thinking is Except for Mazaje.. Na only Mazaje get small sense

Good of you! Let's continue to pray for them.

Think of it we have the same facts i.e earth, fossils, moon, galaxies e.t.c but different presupposition. These facts start in the past and exist in the present with us. Then, how can we get the clear picture of the past? Then will must imploy a time machine that can record an event of the past, Chritsian do claim they have a time machine called "the word of God - Bible". Let me stop here!

plaetton: HUH?
Bro Mazaje,
from the bolded, case is closed.

Thread closed because I said Earth is about 6000years old, yes I can defend it anywhere. Though some pastors, bishops e.t.c go with billion years but mine is God created this universe about 6000years ago.

mazaje1: The ancient egyptian and sumerian laguages were spoken over years 7000 years ago . Here is a link that gives a little history of human languages. . .The ancient eygptian language predates the hebrew language of the bible. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_language

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1377150/Every-language-evolved-single-prehistoric-mother-tongue-spoken-Africa.html

Firstly, the year you wrote is more than Earth age itself because God created this Earth about 6000years ago.

Lastly, go and read more about language and see how people choose a particular language.

mazaje1: People from other cultures have been speaking their languages long before 2242bc. Even the Egyptian pyramids are older than 2242bc. Chinese civilization is much older than 2242bc. Get your facts right. So many languages were already in existence before 2242bc.

State the year(s) they have been speaking the language and what asertain your claims. Don't quote me without support.

@ Toluwarni-Please don't ever lose your faith our God is real.

@Op- Your question may be summarise this way: What did the tower look like? Are there any records of Noah’s descendants found throughout the world after they left Babel? What about different languages?

Renowned chronologist Archbishop James Ussher; placed the time of Babel at (2242 BC)106 years after the Flood, when Peleg was born. To Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided; and his brother’s name was Joktan ( Genesis 10:25 ).
Although this may not be the exact date, it is in range because Peleg was in the fourth generation after the Flood.

The Tower of Babel has traditionally been depicted as a type of ziggurat, although the Bible doesn’t give specific dimensions. The Hebrew word for tower used in Genesis 11 , referring to the Tower of Babel, is migdal: a tower; by analogy, a rostrum; figuratively, a (pyramidal) bed of flowers.
Interestingly, this word means tower but figuratively reflects a flowerbed that yields a pyramidal shape. This gives a little support to the idea that the Tower of Babel may have been pyramidal or ziggurat shaped.
(emphasis added Is not a skyscraper building)

When people were scattered from the Tower of Babel in the time of Peleg, they likely took this building concept with them to places all over the world. It makes sense that many of the families that were scattered from Babel took varying ideas of the tower to their new lands and began building projects of their own.
Ziggurats, pyramids, mounds, and the like have been found in many parts of the world—from Mesopotamia to Egypt to South America. The ancient Chinese built pyramids and the Mississippian culture built mounds. Pyramids are classed slightly differently from ziggurats, as are mounds, but the similarities are striking.

Though is not yet know to some scientists why these people decided to camp themselves in one place.

Why did the people at Shinar build a tower? Some suspect that they were afraid of another flood, similar to the one that Noah and his sons had informed them about. However, Dr. John Gill casts doubt on this idea.

So try to find out some hebrew words that were used in the Bible before you conclude.
Thanks

phemmy88: make dem no migrate come south oo

which south there?

South-West, South-South, South-East.