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achorladey:
Person wey you don hang his madness and insanities peddling brains tey tey. He can only recycle his question to make it look like you didn't answer it.

That is why he kept going in circles...

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree that without Michael nothing was created?

No! I don't.

Do you agree that without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED?

At least, it's settled that Micheal is a creature

jaephoenix:
Google what?

The point you raised!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree that without Michael nothing was created?

Now going in circles...

Were you blind?

I said NO! I DON'T AGREE.

Or this didn't answer your question

Do you agree that without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree that without Michael nothing was created?

No!

Do you agree that without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree that without Michael nothing was created?

No! I don't agree.

Do you agree that without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree that without Michael who is God's only begotten son nothing was created?

Lol...

I can never agree because Micheal was never mentioned to have created ANYTHING.

Micheal was never mentioned as the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.

If you have scripture that support this provide it.

Jesus who is The Word is the CREATOR of ALL THINGS including Michael who is a creature.

Now, answer my question, do you agree that without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED?

MaxInDHouse:
Michael is the Archangel firstborn of all creations!

You agreed Micheal is a creature!

Do you agree that without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED?

MaxInDHouse:
Have gotten a verse that explicitly says "Jesus is the word of God"?

Good, so which verse says Jesus is Michael?

MaxInDHouse:
So there's no verse that says Jesus created Michael or the Archangel shey?

Thanks!

Michael is a creature, true or false?

Without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED, true or false?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote a verse that says Jesus created Michael?

Plenty
John 1:3
Heb 1:2, 17-18

Smile...Your Michael is a creature and without Jesus NOTHING was CREATED.

You can't deny any of those statements above!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is not written in the verse!

So who was written there?

You haven't quote a verse that says Jesus is the word of God!

I've don't that.

Are you saying Jesus is not THE WORD?

I'm boldly saying Jesus is not MICHAEL

MaxInDHouse:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

Yes! This is Jesus because He is The WORD.

Do you disagree?

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. Revelations 19:13

The name "JESUS" is not mentioned in either of the two verses nah?

because Jesus is not an Angel that is why He has always been addressed separately with His unique Identity which even His critics can't reject why Bible will always use the word "Angel" anywhere is talking about Angelic Being.

For instance, in Rev 19 verse 11 started with the One Riding the Horse with HEAVENLY ARMIES.

In verse 17 we read "Then I saw AN ANGEL..."

In fact, the book of revelation is the one Jesus could've been directly called Angel yet no where such word ever applied to Him because He is the King of kings and the Lord of lords the Almighty God.

What i asked you is a verse that says in plain words "Jesus is the word of God"

I'm openly saying Jesus is not Angel Michael because no verse ever say that.

Now, the challenge is for you to just openly say Jesus is not THE WORD

MaxInDHouse:
Have you ever seen a verse that says in plain words "Jesus is the word of God"?

YES! JOHN 1:1, Rev 19:13

So, provide a verse that says "Archangel Michael is THE WORD"

Please quote it because that's the same character both of us are talking about the title "word of God" remains anonymous until we start to apply other scriptures to it just as Michael is applied to a human and Archangel!

No! Both JOHN 1 & Rev 19:13 clear say who THE WORD is

Provide a verse that says Archangel Michael is THE WORD.

Janosky:
God sent the word Jesus to become flesh in the likeness of men, Romans 8:3, John 1:14.

You agreed it was the WORD God sent and not ANGEL.

Case closed

The angels became flesh , were called "men."
Mark 16:5, Luke 24:4,23. John 20:12.

You used ANGEL here but up it was THE WORD

Clear difference and reason why Jesus can't be angel.

Another angle, it means Jesus was never the FIRST ANGEL TO BECOME MAN

More trouble for JaNosense

Jesus Christ is no exception,he is Jehovah's angel.

No verse to support this.

Jesus Christ Is the Creator, He created both Michael and you.

Oga, go & edit your Bible
Or
Cure your delusion.

I'm not the writer of your NWT who pervert their translation just to support those inaccurate doctrines that were forced into your empty skull.

So, tell that to your gods in Warwick

MaxInDHouse:
Ironically Archangel Michael is the WORD!

Oya provide the verse that says so

MaxInDHouse:
Quote the verse that denies Jesus being an angel!

Plenty

John 1:1

John 1:3

1 John 1:2

John 1:14 even said "And the Word became flesh" not an Angel became flesh.

jaephoenix:
Bring the 'thrashings' lemme see them. By the way, go through that thread

You have Google on your phone, let it help you.

Janosky:
They spoke the truth that Jesus is archangel Michael.

Good which means they HAVE THE TRUTH as well.

Remember, while these people already know that Jesus is Michael, Watchtower was still preambulating going back and forth.

Which means Watchtower doesn't have the TRUTH.

Definition of angel,
"A messenger, generally a (supernatural ) messenger sent from God conveying news from God to men".
Angel, messenger, envoy, the same thing.
Psalms 103:20,@ John 12:49 @John14:24.
"The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it."

Psalms 103:20
"Bless Yahweh, you His angels, Mighty in strength, who perform His word, Obeying the voice of His word!"

*
Emusan LYING miscreant,Was Jesus sent by Yahweh his Father?
Yes, he's Yahweh's angel.

*Emusan LYING miscreant,
Did Jesus Yahweh's angel speak what he was has commanded to say and how to say it?


Emusan LYING miscreant, @ John 14:24 & John 12:49, According to Jesus Christ,was Jesus sent to perform Yahweh's word and obey Yahweh's voice?

Jesus Christ is an angel sent to speak Yahweh's word.
Emusan LYING miscreant bury your empty skull inside portuhportuh.

Jesus will never be an Angel, He is the Creator and He created you and Micheal.

I know you and your father the Devil are pained by this

GothamCities:
Fantastic!

Thanks for the heads-up. Now I understand.

Emusan has also raised similar concerns.

Definitely!

For instance look at the scenario where Apostle Peter was talking about last day.

"And by the same word, the present heavens and earth have been stored up for fire. They are being kept for the day of judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed." - 2 Peter 3:7

An average JWs will only focus on last part of verse 7 where it says "... ungodly people will be destroyed"

As God will only destroy wicked people and earth and heavens won't be destroyed to justify watchtower doctrine of LIVING FOREVER ON PLANET EARTH.

Meanwhile, the rest of that same 2 Peter 3 expressly talked about the very ELEMENTS that made up Earth and Heavens

As seen below.

8 "But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. 9 The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment. 11 Since everything around us is going to be destroyed like this, what holy and godly lives you should live, 12 looking forward to the day of God and hurrying it along. On that day, he will set the heavens on fire, and the elements will melt away in the flames. 13 But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world filled with God’s righteousness.

Even a secondary school student should understand this plain & simple sentences but yet you see an adult rejecting it just because some men in Warwick say don't believe it.

Just the same way when Jesus was talking about His flesh and blood, Christ made it clear that whoever did not eat His flesh and drink His blood will not have part in Him.

Yet Watchtower teaches that ONLY FEW SELECTED people need to eat and drink Christ's flesh and blood.

From the horse mouth Himself:
"So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you. But anyone who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise that person at the last day." - John 6:53-54

jaephoenix:
Did you see my thread about the contradictions and lies in the Bible

I didn't see it.

Is there any problem on that?

Besides, there's no contradiction that you can pull from Bible that will be talked about more like "101 Contradictions in the Bible" which notable Christians have thrashed.

GothamCities:
Look at these Scriptures:

Jude 1:9

"bYet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee[/b]."

Can you see here that Michael had to CONTEND with Satan, and had no authority to personally rebuke him? He had to say "The Lord rebuke thee Satan ". Michael had no authority to even rebuke Satan himself.

Open your eyes my friend!

See again:

Here's the updated passage:

Daniel 10:13, 20-21

"But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; for I remained there with the kings of Persia... Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come. But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince."

Here In verse 20, the angelic messenger says he will return to fight alongside Michael against the prince of Persia. Meaning, he expected to meet Michael still fighting the king of Persia and would therefore support Michael against the prince Persia. Does this look like the Mighty Jesus to you?

Now, see again and compare the power of this angel with that of Michael:

Revelation 20:1-3

"And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

In this passage, an angel descends from heaven, binds Satan with a great chain without any resistance, and casts him into the bottomless pit, where he remains for 1,000 years. At this time, the earth already became Satan's domain because he was already evicted from the heavenlies. The earth in trouble. Satan came with all his might, strength and fury, yet an angel caught him like a fowl without the support of any other angel. No single resistance. He just picked him and threw him into prison. Do you think this particular Angel is mightier than Jesus whom you call angel Michael? Think my friend and stop being deceived.

This is what the scriptures say after Satan was defeated and cast out of the heavenly realms:

Revelation 12:12 :

"Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

He was not cast out with broken bones and a dilapidated body. His strength and fury remained with him, yet an angel simply picked him up without any resistance. Just compare Michael with thia Angel, and you'll see clearly that Jesus is not Michael.

He doesn't have that cognitive capability to understand this post of yours.

That is why you always see him making disjointed posts.

Janosky:
Go and argue with your fellow Trinitarians (Martin Luther,Revd Charles Spurgeon, Geneva Bible etc) who said that Jesus is archangel Michael.
Seventh Day Adventists saw it in Revelation chapter 12
Your 3rd person deity taught them. (Screenshot evidence).


Why you go see the chapters & verses in your own Bible proven Jesus is archangel Michael when you have saturated your brain with Nicene GIBBERISH invented by men!

So Martin Luther, Revd Charles Spurgeon, Geneva Bible etc Seventh Day Adventists who said that Jesus is archangel Michael "ALL HAVE THE TRUTH"

No Bible verse from you till now that says Jesus is an Angel or Michael.

Bury your empty skull in shame!

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is the Commander of Yahweh's Army @ Joshua 5:13-14.
Jesus Christ is an angel of Yahweh commanding other angels just as a soldier commands other soldiers.

Oga in sifia pains please continue WAILING.




Very IBERIBEISTIC post.

MUMU dey compare himself with mannequin.

Upon your ranting, no single verse provided that say Jesus is Michael or Angel.

Jehovah CREATED JESUS DIRECTLY and use Jesus to create ALL OTHER THINGS.

Does what Jesus was used to CREATE the same with what Jehovah created by Himself?

StillDtruth:
Here is another proof why Jws are Lying.

The Bible shows us that Angel Michael struggles a little bit when fighting with Satan and does not easily overcome him.

But when Satan came against Jesus, you can see he only used talk.

And when Jesus was done with him, He drove him away like a parent drives a little child.

And we can all see, Satan left, even without protest or fight.

So, Jws are Lying.

The most delusional thing is to believe, the person God Himself CREATED DIRECTLY is on the same page or level with the person who was created by the person who God CREATED DIRECTLY.

MaxInDHouse:
Sleep keh!

After the katakata you throw all of them into.

Ọmọ the next trouble they will start now is if you ask them whether there is a translation they can trust.

How can the very book that supposed to unite them as one be contradictory?

Well they never believe Jesus' word that the Bible can help them to unite as one {John 17:20-23} so they can't understand how stupid this sounds.

No wonder only Jehovah's Witnesses are united because they believe God's word (Complete Bible) is alive {Hebrew 4:12} and can help all true believers to unite as one! John 17:17

See this hypocrite!

We're you not here when one of your deluded brother claimed The Apostle made mistake for saying Jesus knows ALL THINGS

Besides, see your own statement about the book BIBLE in the screenshot below.

You claimed JWs don't called it BIBLE but in another breath you always use the word BIBLE.

What is the difference between you and another person who claimed Bible is corrupt or contradicted?

Truthseeker10:
Tctrills have made the assertions that the bible has "few contradictions" but still argues that the bible is true and not false. Is he correct?
Please I need the house opinion on such viewpoint whether you believe in the bible or not.

tctrills
StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Lordreed
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Jaephoenix
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
AbuTwins
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ

Different people have made different claims about the Bible including some people you tagged here.

But to me, the Bible has no contradiction!

A JWs once said The Apostle made mistake for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS because that makes Jesus to be God.

LordReed:
LoLz. With what am I supposed to tell you? I didn't see something and you say I should provide evidence that I didn't see it. You make me laugh.

Not everything you can see in this universe and that doesn't mean what you can't see don't exit.

So, provide your evidence very simple.

LordReed:
No god has been observed is the evidence.

Then provide your evidence...

Is it by mouth you'll tell me that?

LordReed:
Caught? LoLz. Yet you go on to show that I very well did not use the word literally.

Your metaphor shows there's a link between coordinated, arranged and managed of universe.

You can't use metaphor when there's no COMPARISON see definition above again, either you admit that you used wrong word or you agree that truly the universe is coordinated, arranged & managed.

Prove there are no land animals living in the sea. That is like the challenge you've issued. And it is quite glaring since we have observed that land animals cannot live in the sea. Similarly no gods have been observed operating in this universe nor can any prediction based on the actions of any god be made concerning the functioning of the universe. Your god or any god is superfluous to understanding how anything works that we have discovered.

I didn't see any evidence here....

Provide evidence that the universe

"The functioning of the universe shows no intelligent being behind it and doesn't even require one."

delkuf:
na you understand wetin you talk

My point is very simple.

Jesus being Son of God is for the role He played for coming to Earth

Jesus has always been God Almighty before the Title: "Son of God" was used for Him.

Do you understand now?

gohf:
so you don't know "the very nature that makes God to be God"?

So you don't know the very NATURE that makes man to be man?

And you also don't know who Gabriel is referring to in Luke 1.32, whom God will give the throne of his father David?

I don't know who Gabriel is referring....can you imagine that!

What is your point that's what I'm asking you?