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Aemmyjah:
Is it not same Luke that wrote same words that called Jesus holy servant?
Abi, he lost inspiration at that moment?

Was Joshua not also inspired
Wetin dis pikin de yan?

Which means Luke and Joshua have A SOURCE to back up their claims.

So, where is your sources that Jesus ADMITTED to be a SERVANT OF GOD?

Aemmyjah:
Oga
Check other versions na
Jehovah produced Jesus as the beginning or first of his creation and works
Jesus was with Jehovah during the creation of the world
Simple and logical

That's not the point,

I asked you some questions based on the same NIV you provided, so answer my questions and stop preambulating.

Aemmyjah:
Na me talk am

King James Version
Deuteronomy 34:5
So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Acts 3:13
New International Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

Poor Christian disputing wetin Bible talk

But these are not Jesus OWN statement.

Meanwhile, I'm not disputing that the Bible says Jesus is a servant of God but the statement of your lying liar brother who claimed Jesus ADMITTED...

So where is Jesus ADMITTED is what I was asking but at least you and him already agreed that Jesus DIDN'T actually make that statement, which means you lied.

Aemmyjah:
I have
According to Emusan, the truth speaker
Jesus is God
Jesus is son of God
Jesus is with God
Jesus came from God
Jesus is equal to God

Nonsense makes sense to some people sha

Confirmed according the scripture.

Aemmyjah:
So we should invalidate what Luke and Paul wrote Jesus said right?



Paul and Luke lied shey?

Paul and Luke were inspired

Do you know the many of that?

Aemmyjah:
So Jehovah produced Jehovah as the beginning of his way?


I see you have problem comparing with other bibles
😂

Now you see he can't answer questions e get why

Aemmyjah:
In the book of Acts, Luke wrote that Jesus said, there is more happiness in receiving than there is in giving.

1. We have no evidence Luke walked with Jesus

2. Nowhere in the Gospels did we read Jesus say those words

Was Luke lying against Jesus by adding his own words or he was actually writing what Jesus said

Later, Paul wrote that Jesus said at his baptism, I have come to do your will

1. Paul was not with Jesus
2. We did not read Jesus say any words at his baptism in any of the gospels

Was Paul lying or he was actually saying what Jesus said

If you want my brother MaxInDHouse to show you where Jesus himself said he was servants or where Moses said same, but we read from the Bible that their closest friends described them as such. First convince us that what Luke and Paul wrote was false or true to show where Jesus himself SAID these words

I'm glad you also confirmed that Jesus OR MOSES never said such.

So, what is the point of lying that JESUS ADMITTED something why can't you just says the Bible says so and so?

You see reason why I do say you people are of your father the Devil.

Aemmyjah:
Note the highlighted. It's in NIV

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[c][d]
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

Tell us pls
Who is speaking?

Again the Eternal wisdom of Yahweh.

Now let me ask my questions and don't dodge them since you agree with NIV.

1. "at the very beginning, when the world came to be". Did it occur to you here that the speaker said the very beginning is when the WORLD actually came to be? I know you'll too blind to see that.

2. The speaker actually spoke about the PERSON carrying out the creation activities which means the speaker can't be the one Creating things i.e "I was there when 'HE' set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when 'HE' established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when 'HE' gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command,..."

So who is that 'HE' that the speaking was talking about?

If your shallow head wants you to conclude that God once had no wisdom, your brain is to blame

So is JESUS Wisdom of God or not?

Aemmyjah:
I have answered you already
Jesus himself both in the NT and OT was said to have a beginning and with someone. Through him, all things were created. That's why same Proverbs said he was with God during the time of Creation.

The source of all things, the father of all creation, the one Jesus described as His father, His God and our God, the one Jesus prayed to and taught us to pray to, the one who lifted Jesus to a superior authority above the angels, the voice John heard at Jesus baptism, the one Stephen saw Jesus standing by His right hand. He is the source of all things. No equal, he was not with anyone in the beginning cos he has no beginning, the one who never sleeps or die, the source of all wisdom and life and goodness. He is the Alpha and Omega. He has always existed - he never had a father or acknowledge anyone as his Father. He created all things, he is the Father of Jesus (his firstborn and beginning of his way (creation)
He is the Omega. Nothing exceeds him or after him and he'll bring an end to this wicked system


Keep crying
trying to prove that Jesus is God, son of God, equal to son, from God... If you like, tell us that Jesus is the Father of God. Wetin concern me?

We know who is crying and in painment here

When you're okay, go back and answer my questions.

Aemmyjah:
Now who was the 'eternal wisdom' of God at Proverbs 8:22,23?
Jesus or someone else?

So A BEING MUST BE WISDOM OF GOD; o ma se oooo

Since you agree that Jesus is the WISDOM OF GOD then Jesus can't be created because that means God created His own WISDOM.

Aemmyjah:
If you like run
The entire context refers to one Person
Even commentary and scholars point it as referring to Jesus

Now you agreed that commentary and scholars point it that it refers to Jesus but you'll disagree with same commentary and scholars on John 1:1-3, Col 1:16-18

Hypocrite!

1 Corinthians 1:24 — King James Version (KJV )
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Keep running

Do you even know the implications of this?

Jesus is THE POWER OF JEHOVAH and The Wisdom of Jehovah.

Aemmyjah:
Nebuchadnezzar
Jesus
Artaxerxes
Yahweh
All are referred to as king of kings

Does that capacity mean the same thing or they refer to just one sole person?

You didn't answer my question, why?

Answer my question and you'll get answer to yours.

See that he couldn't address any of my questions, typical jws lying liar.

Aemmyjah:
Olodo
Did I say the Father is the beginning as I meant Jesus?

See he real Olodo.

So the Father being The Beginning is different from Jesus being The Beginning

Jehovah is the source of life and everything. He is the only true God. You know what the Shema says. He is not associated with having a beginning unlike Jesus. He has always existed whereas the Word has not. The Word was with God, his father!

Just as Jesus was not associated with having a beginning.
Jesus is That ETERNAL LIFE, can eternal Life be created?

Jesus has always existed

That is why you can't answer, do you agree that Jesus is Alpha and Omega?

Aemmyjah:
Wisdom is not a person na
Who was speaking?

Answered!

EreluRoz:
If Jesus never preached about religion

Using dictionary, one will simply understand the meaning of religion.

Though many people have come to say even Christianity isn't a religion, likewise Islam.

but strictly about God and not to associate anything with Him, it's the same thing Islam preaches, so where did the idea of religion emanated from?

He said Trinity is manmade, I have somehow never believed in this trinity thing though.

The thing is, unless one rejected many statements from the Bible only then one will reject Trinity which means you can't claim to agree with ALL what the Bible says then reject the Trinity.

Or if you have problem with the word Trinity then choose whatever to call it because Bible described Jesus as ETERNAL, likewise the Holy Spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
Until i admit it's your personal opinion nah!

Your statement placed side by side

"but both Moses and Jesus admitted that they are both SERVANTS..."

"Moses also never said with his mouth that he is a servant of God"

No be me talk am

MaxInDHouse:
I know you will be running from pillar to post

Evidence abound of who is running from pillar to post.

but both Moses and Jesus admitted that they are both SERVANTS of someone GREATER than them.

Then provide where Jesus ADMITTED that, why is that too much for you to bear?

Whoever comes to SERVE another person is the SERVANT of that person.

Then answer my question, if you're not a liar and coward.

Does sending your son make him YOUR SERVANT?

Moses also never said with his mouth that he is a servant of God but from all indication he admitted that he was SERVING someone GREATER than him the same thing Jesus did!

Well I don't need anything more to say @color, you already proved that you're a liar.

QED

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you should check the meaning of the word "SERVANT"

Oxford dictionary!

*One who is hired to perform regular household or other duties, and receives compensation. As opposed to a slave.
There are three servants in the household, the butler and two maids.
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*One who serves another, providing help in some manner.
She is quite the humble servant, the poor in this city owe much to her but she expects nothing.
*(religion) A person who dedicates themselves to God.
*(obsolete) A professed lover.
A person of low condition or spirit.

Jesus DEDICATED himself to SERVE God when he went to John the baptist from that day he stopped being a carpenter to SERVE God!

You accused Jesus to have ADMITTED to something, so was it inside Dictionary your saw that from?

When you're okay answer my questions

MaxInDHouse:
If his first century disciples who heard him say he is God's servant it shows they understood when he said someone SENT him he is surely a SERVANT of that person!

Now wonder you couldn't answer my questions.

So provide where Jesus said it, how is that hard for you to do?

Does sending your Son mean he is a SERVANT?

I know you'll still pretend as if you didn't see it.

MaxInDHouse:
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his SERVANT Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

Act 3:13 NWT
The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his SERVANT, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.

So it's Jesus speaking here

Again, you lied against Jesus that "HE ADMITTED"

So provide where Jesus did that.

MaxInDHouse:
According to John 4:34 is Jesus a SERVANT of someone GREATER than him?

No!

That you sent your son or daughter, does that make him/her your SERVANT?

Now, it's evident that you put this lie against Christ: Did Moses and Jesus ADMIT that they are both SERVANTS of someone GREATER than them?

If not provide where Jesus Christ ADMITTED that He is a SERVANT of someone Greater than Him.

He couldn't answer my questions as usual

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Who is the person speaking at Proverbs?
Wisdom is not a person

Answered!

Next!

King Nebuchadnezzar is described as King of Kings
Same with Artaxerxes

Othniel is described as savoir

Are these also God cos they share same title?

Now you agreed that The Father is 'THE BEGINNING' which shows you don't know your Bible before you spew that thrash that the Father was never called The Beginning.

Then go and find out the meaning of THE BEGINNING, if you understand it then you'll know why your organisation is stripping off Jesus the Title of Alpha and Omega

MaxInDHouse:
Both statements below are Jesus' own words!

“My food is to do the will of him who SENT me and to finish his work" John 4:34

So someone SENT Jesus.

"I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is GREATER than I am." John 14:28

And this person is GREATER than Jesus.

Now bring your previous question and place it side by side then tell me how is the same

Besides, why did you boycott my questions?

Aemmyjah:
Who is speaking at Proverbs 8:22,23?

Eternal Wisdom of Yahweh!

See how he dropped the point of The Father being The Beginning and Jesus being THE GOOD shepherd

You yourself said you still converse wit a woman you would have married and she's lamenting and regretting and even blaming a whole organization?
Only a greedy husband will do such

False narrative!

Anyways, since you're of your father the Devil. Can I tell you to stop that?

Aemmyjah:
What is the meaning of Alpha and Omega and in what sense is this title applied? Alpha is the beginning and Omega is conclusion

So is Father The Beginning?

Do you agree Jesus is Alpha and Omega?

Jesus said he is the beginning of God's creation and Jehovah produced him

Jesus is The Beginning just like the Father also called Himself The Beginning then you'll be fine.

Jesus never said Jehovah produced him.

You can bring your evidence from the scripture.

Poor Christian targeting us cos of someone wife

False accuser like your father the Devil.

Provide your evidence

Ignorant Christian
No wonder why you call Trinity a mystery even when you rarely acknowledge the Holy ghost Spirit

If not because you're the very ignorant here, we don't acknowledge the Holy Spirit yet you know about Trinity

What did Jesus say when someone called him Good? Was Jesus correcting the man to refer to himself?

No! Jesus didn't correct the person rather asked the person a right question to lead the person aright.

Don't forget "Jesus is THE GOOD shepherd"

If you agree that ONLY ALMIGHTY GOD is good then Jesus is Almighty God for being THE GOOD shepherd.

You guys say Jesus is God, Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus is equal to God... Confused churchgoer

I've told you if you want Bible study on this just tell me your problem.

Greedy for someone's wife

You think repeating this lie thousand times will save you from receiving Bible study to cure your scriptural deficiency? You're wrong

MaxInDHouse:
Did Moses and Jesus admit that they are both SERVANTS of someone GREATER than them?

No! Jesus never claimed to be a SERVANT of someone GREATER than Him.

Now my questions:

Did Moses also be the ONLY PERSON DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD (as you believe about Jesus Christ)?

Did Moses witness the creation of all OTHER things (as your translation perverted the scripture)?

Did Moses be the one sustaining the universe by the POWER of His word - Heb 1:3, Col 1:17?

MaxInDHouse:
There's no need going into fruitless arguments

You presented your point I presented mine, so it's not fruitless unless you agree yours is fruitless.

since you have agreed that both of them are SERVANTS of someone GREATER than them

This is not how you put what I agreed with, so why lying?

and the Bible equates them at Deuteronomy 18:18 which Peter confirmed that Jesus was the one compared to Moses as the prophet to come in the likeness of Moses. Act 3:22

Bible did not equate them.

Bible only compared them which is even just a part out of ALL ways scripture described Jesus.

To equate means:

Moses must also be the ONLY PERSON DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD (as you believe about Jesus Christ).

Moses must witness the creation of all OTHER things (as your translation perverted the scripture).

Moses must be the one sustaining the universe by the POWER of His word. Heb 1:3, Col 1:17

I think the case is settled!

Only if you agreed with the above.

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
Which means Moses and Jesus are SERVANTS of the most High God who represented Him as Gods in times past!
Exodus 7:1
John 1:1
Deuteronomy 18:18-19

Thank you!

Smile.....

Moses is just a servant of God!

Jesus is called ALL.

Jesus is Almighty God
Jesus is the Creator
Jesus is Alpha and Omega
Jesus is The Beginning
Jesus is that very Eternal Life
Jesus is Son of God
Jesus is Son of man
Jesus is a prophet
Jesus is King of kings
Jesus is Lord
Jesus is the Saviour

So your attempt to equate them won't fly.

Even your gods in Warwick know that it's an insult to put Jesus and Moses side by side.

MaxInDHouse:
So case closed since you don't agree with the translation i have

That is the beautiful of having different translations to compare and contrast.

one thing is sure both Moses and Jesus expressly said they were sent by someone GREATER than them and they can't do anything else apart from what that one approves!

No doubt about that as well stated in the scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what my Bible says:
Exodus 3:8

I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey, the territory of the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Amʹor·ites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites

Just as He told Abraham saying:
Genesis 18:21

I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it.”

Well, your Bible translation isn't accurate and the two scenarios aren't the same.

In the case of Moses, no physical appearance only the power of God in display with a voice so the right word was used "I have come down..." as translated by most versions.

In the case of Abraham, three men physically APPEARED and THEY ACTUALLY WENT DOWN TO Sodom and Gomorrah.

This is very clear in the conversation.

"20 The Lord said, “Abraham, I have heard that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are doing all kinds of evil things. 21 Now I am going down to see for myself if those people really are that bad. If they aren't, I would like to know.” 22 The men turned and started toward Sodom. But the Lord stayed with Abraham."

This simply means God will be the one using His Holy Spirit to do the great things while the onlookers are only seeing Moses or Jesus who are God's representatives. Exodus 3:12 compare to John 8:16

Well God is not a liar, He told Abraham He will go down to Sodom and Gomorrah Himself.

And never told Moses He will go down to Egypt Himself.

That is the point.

Steep:
these are not errors at all.

You're taking that person serious...

Ask her where she got everything she knows about God and Jesus Christ, if not from the same Book she claims it contains errors and contradictions.

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ declaring His Word everlasting means no man has power or authority to add or remove or change any of that which He declared. He is God's Law after all. And it is against God to add, change, or remove from His Law. According to you, Paul extended(changed) that which Jesus Christ previously declared to include His ideas. So, do you not see how what you accuse Paul of doing stands in direct violation of Jesus Christ?

Do you believe the same Christ when He said this? "12 I have much more to say to you, but right now it would be more than you could understand. 13 The Spirit shows what is true and will come and guide you into the full truth. The Spirit doesn't speak on his own. He will tell you only what he has heard from me, and he will let you know what is going to happen. 14 The Spirit will bring glory to me by taking my message and telling it to you."

Did Jesus actually fulfill His promises?

Did Holy Spirit actually receive Jesus messages and delivered them to the Apostles?