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Michael547:
Oga your ESV is down there in the picture below. Please show me where the statement 'before the beginning' is used in that translation below.

Oh that's my bad it ERV I mistake it for ESV.

here it is below.

But with that the point of verse 1 is that Jesus was olaced before THE BEGINNING.

Michael547:
I agree you can't have Two beginnings.

This settled the whole thing.

So according to Gen 1:1 "Earth IN THE BEGINNING, God created the Heavens and the Earth"

But you are the one adding before and after to those verses which are talking about the same beginnings. Verse 2 is actually talking about the beginning in verse 1. And it explains that it was at that beginning that Jesus was with God, Not before.

I didn't add anything, you already show that you lack simple comprehension.

Take time to read my post again.

Michael547:
Show me where the bible says Jesus was with God Before The Beginning in John 1: 1-3.

Quote verse 1 of John 1:1-3

because I've already done that before.

Michael547:
So if it was in the beginning of the creation that Jesus was with God as explained in verse 2, why was Jesus not with God before the creation of heaven and earth?

Oh my goodness.

What kind of human being is this?

Can you even read this nonsense question you asked again and again?

Michael547:
Oga you are obviously denying verse 2 that says that it was in the beginning that Jesus was actually with God not before the beginning. You are simply editing bible verses with your thought.

Can you even listen to yourself?

It's obvious that you don't know what you're doing here.

Michael547:
So if the beginning refers to the creation of the heavens and earth in⁷ genesis 1:1 when did John 1:2 tell you that Jesus was with God?

I've answered this your question multiple times.

You can't have TWO BEGINNINGS in a system of thing.

FACT!!!

Michael547:
Ok oo....so where did you see the word 'still' in verse 2 as a continuation of the period of companionship being referred to in verse 1 which you used in your previous submission if you are not actually twisting the bible by adding words.

Definitely you don't have anything to offer on this.

Bible citation is different from explanation.

One with a very high IQ reading my post will know how I place the two.

What translation are you using by the way? Screenshot verse 2 please....

I used ESV.

you can check ✅

Janosky:
You have to respond to the questions.

When you didn't address my point.

Do you know how you sound?

What did your own Bible teach you about the king mentioned in your search engines who made a remarkable decision in 537 BCE?

You gave me simple task which I did and I gave you simple task you started preambulating like a lost goat.

Here is my task again: So can you just provide from your own phone and laptop Google search the year Jerusalem was destroyed or Google has disappeared on your phone and laptop?

Then you will begin to receive sense
You wan hide under canopy of secular history shey?

Under which canopy did you hide to arrive at 537BC?

You got it from Bible Ko

What did your own Bible say about the captivity of Jews in Jerusalem?

You will have answer to your questions until you address mine.

There's a vital point you are missing there.

Then let your phone and laptop provide the vital point nah, why is it so difficult for you to do?

Your hrowing tantrums won't help you.

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Says JaNosense

Janosky:
Nah so dem dey add Maggi and spice

You know I'm not watchtower who uses to add SALT and PEPPER yet you people will rub it on your face

Michael547:
Oga why are you twisting bible na....

I'm not watchtower that twisted God's word.

Where does verse one say that it was before the beginning that Jesus was with God?

I quoted a translation, don't tell me you don't read my post.

Did you just carry the word before from the air and put in verse 1?,

Well, I'm not watchtower, watchtower is found of doing that.

I provided a translation even the person you're discussing with yesterday quoted this translation "Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God."

When verse 2 is actually telling you that the companionship happened not before But in the beginning. Oga twist bible small small oo.

The fact that you can't boldly say YES TWO BEGINNING can happen in a system of thing shows you're not to be taking serious.

Well, let me re-emphasize it again, YOU CANT HAVE TWO BEGINNINGS in a system of thing.

So both verse 1&2 are talking about the same BEGINNING.

God can't lie.
The FIRST THING TO BE CREATED IN THE BEGINNING is Heavens and the Earth. Gen 1:1.

Janosky:
What did your phone & laptop show you occurred in the year 537 BCE?

What did your own Bible teach you about the king mentioned in your search engines who made a remarkable decision in 537 BCE?

Don't be a dim wit

It's stupidity to answer question with questions and meanwhile I've already dusted this, don't take us back JaNosense.

So can you just provide from your own phone and laptop Google search the year Jerusalem was destroyed or Google has disappeared on your phone and laptop?

Aemmyjah:
How many years were the Jews in exile?

You don't answer question with questions.

That's stupidity.

Address my point first.

Michael547:
Yes verse 1 said that Jesus was with God.
But verse 2 clarifies that 'he was with God' in the beginning not before 'the beginning' according to you.
Therefore, what beginning was verse 2 referring to, if you say the beginning in verse 1 was the beginning or creation of the world?

Do you need hammer to knock it on your head?

The fact is THERE IS ONLY ONE BEGINNING.

So verse Two was talking about THE SAME BEGINNING.

Why is English so difficult for you to comprehend?

Verse 1 He was with God Before The Beginning
Verse 2 in The very Beginning He was still with God.

How is this simple English that a pupil shouldn't find hard to understand so difficult for you?

The fact that you're trying to establish TWO BEGINNINGS shows you don't know what you're doing.

Janosky:
What a dim wit exposing his folly!
Emusan phone & laptop do not have Google, Chrome or Opera mini apps & other search engines.

Well, my phone and laptop Google show that Jerusalem was destroyed in year 587BC.

So can you provide from your own phone and laptop Google search the year Jerusalem was destroyed?

I'm waiting JaNosense

Aemmyjah:
Neither can you invalidate that God's people spent 70 years in exile

E don hook.

So ALL AGREED and ESTABLISHED with FACT the date 537BC but NO ONE agreed and established with FACT the date 607BC

Janosky:

This is the highest peak of dullardship.
What a dim wit !!

I just love how all of you are boycotting my question.

Which means you people know you're lying.

Michael547:
Oga you too you have comprehension problem....

Check it very well.

If you say verse 1 is telling us that Jesus existed before the 'beginning', and verse 2 is telling you that it was at that 'beginning' in verse 1 that Jesus was 'with God', does that not move your brain to ask why Jesus was not 'with God' before the 'beginning' in verse 1?

You really mean you asked this question?

Didn't verse 1 establish that He was with God also?

Definitely, you just attested to my claim of the level of your IQ being low.

Here is verse one again: "The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God."

Aemmyjah:
Subtract it from the years God said his people will remain in exile? How many years?

Smile....so you don't have anyone who agreed and established 607BC as fact.

That's wonderful

Janosky:
Use your phone & laptop to Google what happened in the year 537 BCE.

Be a smart man , STOP throwing childish tantrums.

So it's no more Bible I should use but Google on my phone and laptop

Well, when you pick your brain from your hall, then use the same Google on your phone and laptop to provide answer to my question.

Who are those that AGREED and ESTABLISHED 607BC as FACT?

At least your brother agreed that 537BC was agreed upon BY ALL and ESTABLISHED BY FACT.

Michael547:
Oga verse two does not say that Jesus was present but that he was with God at that beginning.

That is why I said lack of comprehension is what is playing out here.

Verse 1 established that Jesus was BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

So, when verse 2 says "The SAME was WITH GOD in THE BEGINNING" this should tell you that it's the same BEGINNING and not TWO BEGINNINGS. You can't have TWO BEGINNINGS in a system of THING.

Reason verse 3 complement both 1&2 by saying "ALL THINGS..." and God did not make ANYTHING without him."

The fact that you're even trying to establish TWO BEGINNING shows the level of your IQ.

So was Jesus not with God before 'that the beginning' that you explained in verse 1?

Verse one point is how Jesus was BEFORE THE BEGINNING. The person you first quoted even tried to explain this by quoting the verse for you.

Here it is again "The Word already was, way back before anything began to be. The Word and God were together. The Word was God."

Aemmyjah:
Was Jesus with himself in the beginning?

He was with The Father!

Aemmyjah:
Many people don't believe the Exodus cos there is no much secular writing that mentions the Israelites in Egypt. Does that make it invalid?

Again I ask you, when was Jesus born?

O ma se oooo

So to provide the ALL who agreed and established the FACT of 607BC is what you're going around like a lost sheep.

537BC is agreed and established as FACT by ALL.

Who are those that AGREED and ESTABLISHED 607BC as FACT?

That's the main point, if you have any question other than this on this thread, then you can create thread from it.

Michael547:
These people are very funny 😁😁...dem no fit explain verse 1 and 2 together to make sense with their idea.

Verse 1&2 have been explained to you but you couldn't comprehend it.

You want to claim there are TWO BEGINNINGS.

Only a person with a low IQ will be thinking that there are TWO BEGINNINGS, beginning is beginning.

That is why verse 3 even put it that "ALL THINGS were created through Him. God did not make ANYTHING without him"

If God created Jesus FIRST then Gen 1:1 is wrong and also implies Jesus created Himself according to verse 3 since ALL THINGS are created through Him.

Michael547:
So the father who is also Yahweh is greater than himself right?😁😁😁

This is the evidence that you people don't understand simple sentences.

Since you have the same surname with your father shows you and your father are the same person.

Very pathetic.

Aemmyjah:
Jesus was present with himself in the beginning?
Issorit

Olodo....

Can two people have the same NAME?

Michael547:
So the father who is also Yahweh is greater than himself right?😁😁😁

Yahweh is A NAME even the verse you provided says "...whose NAME alone is Yahweh"

Do you and your father have the same SURNAME?

O ma se oooo

Michael547:
Oga what was the 'very beginning' that verse 2 talks about? Are you implying that Almighty God had a beginning?

So funny of you, both verse 1&2 are talking about THE BEGINNING.

Verse 1 established that Jesus WAS before THAT THE BEGINNING and verse 2 buttresses that JESUS WAS ALSO PRESENT AT THAT THE BEGINNING.

This is simple comprehension.

Aemmyjah:
I mentioned several dates
Date for the flood
Date for Jesus birth
Date for Jesus messiahship
Date of Adam's creation

Then who asked you about all these?

537 is agreed by all and established as fact that the Jews returned from exile.

This is the point!

Now, it's agreed by all and established as FACT

Then where is 607BC agreed BY ALL and established as FACT?

You choose to ask me... What a shame.

Shame for asking you question.

What is more shameful is seeing a question being asked of you and pretended as if you didn't see just because you know you don't have concrete evidence to support your answer.

Why not ask your pastor, he can explain better

I don't need my pastor for any questions about Scripture, God gave me brain to read and understand. You're the one who need to depend on who will spoon feed you on how to read and understand scriptures.

Michael547:
So who is the father in John 14:28 in the picture below?

You asked question about OT but you switch to New Testament, how come?

Well, the Father is also Yahweh.

Michael547:
Verse 2 says the word was with God 'in the beginning' what does that mean?

The summary of verse 1&2 is this:

Verse 1: The Word existed before The BEGINNING and The Word Was God.

Verse2: The Word was ALSO PRESENT at the very BEGINNING with God.

Reason why verse 3 says "God made ALL THINGS through the Word. God did not make ANYTHING without him."

You don't need big dictionary to understand the point of Apostle John here.

Michael547:
That means that Jesus must be JEHOVAH in the old testament right?

Jesus was Yahweh in the Old Testament

Michael547:
So what beginning does verse 2 refer to?

Verse 1 already stated clearly that The Word was BEFORE BEGINNING which means He existed before beginning.