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Aemmyjah:
Jesus never said he's equal to the father
Who taught you that they are equal?

Scripture actually taught Jesus is equal to God which is The Father in this case.

Well, as usual the comprehension skills will be lost when reading a verse like below.

Phil 2:6 - Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God. - CEV

Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained - AMPC

Who, while being in the form of God, did not regard the being equal with God a thing-to-be-grasped - DLNT

He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit. - ERV

Christ had the same nature as God. He was completely equal with God. But he did not try to keep hold of that. - EASY

Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed - EHV

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; - NIV

Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. - NLT

Which version do you find hard or simple to understand?

Aemmyjah:
Bible mentions ranking or headship of husband, wife, christ and God...

Of that's the case, we can equally say woman amd man amd equal and call it quinity

The head of the wife is the husband
Head of husband is christ
Head of christ is God

Where's any equality?

This single post shows you don't even understand what you're arguing against.

Since the husband is the head of the wife, does that mean the man is NOW MORE HUMAN than the woman?

By nature both Husband and wife are EQUAL but by position the husband is the HEAD or greater than the wife.

The same mistake watchtower made in John 1:1 when compare with the story of Adam and Eve.

Simple thing that a pupil will understand.

Janosky:
Emusan MUMU , you are the eternal son of your Father. That is your family history & lineage.
"Eternal Sonship NEVER denotes Divinity.

Emusan: "Jesus became a Son on earth"
. This shows that Jesus was NEVER a Son at some point "



Steep:
Steep post=128894145:

1. "Jesus had an eternal son- father relationship with his father, meaning his sonship had no beginning
2. God the father declared him as his son when he was born."

Trinitarians,you people are just too dull.
You people need Bible study badly.

Your brain is still too dull to comprehend simple sentences.

At least you can see from the second part of his statement, so your inability to comprehend it wasn't anybody's fault.

Yes! I repeat Jesus only became Son on Earth Heb 1:4-5.

Janosky:
Emusan: "Jesus was NEVER a Son at some point".

Oga Steep: "Jesus had an eternal son- father relationship with his father, meaning his sonship had no beginning."


LYING no dey tire Trinitarians.
CONTRADICTING themselves no dey tire Trinitarians.

Confused Trinitarians confused by their MUMU doctrine.

Olodo people use Jesus eternal Sonship to denote His Divinity.

He clarified his point in the second paragraph by saying "God the father declared him as his son when he was born."

You people are just too dull.

Aemmyjah:
Ok
😂

Good as accept your paganism

Aemmyjah:
Na today I sabi say you be big fool
Janosky
MaxInDHouse

And you're a bigger fool

Come and see his definition of mystic. He worships a mystic god

When simple comprehension is lacking this is the result.

Here is what your screenshot says "That spirit 'had a mystic with THE GOD on whose birthday the individual was born'"

Even the screenshot you provided says MYSTERY

What is so difficult to understand here?

O ma se oooo

Aemmyjah:
See this fool
If you like
Go and worship ifa and claim Christian, I won't stop you
Me and my Household will worship j
Jehovah and give him what he deserves

At least I'm happy you couldn't refute any of my points which means this topic of discussion is far beyond your dull brain.

Again, Birthday and wedding ring are of pagan origin.

Even though Pagan introduced many practices doesn't mean God is against all their practices as you can see in case of wedding ring and Birthday.

Reading the laws God gave Israelites through Moses one can see the practice of Pagan God against i.e human sacrifice, worshipping of idols e.t.c

Aemmyjah:
Define mystic
Olodo

Meaning of mystic is attached below.

So what is your point?

Watchtower has really done a lot of damage to you.

Imagine watchtower making you reject paganism in one way but the same watchtower is making you to go deep into paganism in another way.

Aemmyjah:
You've not still answered simple question as to why Jesus is addressed as son of the Father

You just asked this question now because this was not the question you asked initially and the funny thing is you'll ask question and someone will answer but when you're asked a question you will begin to preambulating because you know the question will expose you.

Now back your your question, Heb 1:5 is still the one that answers your question

"God never said this to any of the angels: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”' - ERV

If you take your time to understand this simple verse, then you'll see the reason why Jesus was never an Angel because "God has NEVER SAID to ANY ANGEL (including Michael) that today YOU ARE MY SON" even though we read it from the scripture where the term sons of God were applied to the angels.

This shows, that Jesus was never a Son at some point and when He became part of the creation the Father ascribed the HIGHEST RANK of Sonship to Him because many have used that term son of God before Him i.e Adam that's the reason scripture went further that Jesus MUST TAKE FIRST POSITION IN EVERYTHING.

If you read scripture further, you'll understand that the term Son as applied to Jesus goes beyond mere son as used for others but Divinity. Reason why God ordered ALL ANGELS(including Michael) to Worship The Son the day He became Son. Heb 1:6

And the scriptures applied many Old Testament verses talking about Yahweh to the very Son. Heb 1:8-9

You people need Bible study badly.

Janosky:
Did Jesus Christ Command Emusan to WORSHIP God hIs Father ALONE, @Matthew 4:10 & Mark 12:29?
For emphasis "Worship God his Father ALONE!!!!
Emusan choose DISOBEDIENCE.

Mumu JaNosense

He couldn't hide his lying face and hypocrisy, he rush to Amp Bible to cherry pick

Now the lying liar jws is denying the second part of that same verse from Amp Bible.

Emusan loves the fraud of polytheism that his 3 deities mentors put in the second sentence of Hebrew 1:6. LYING & disobedience nah Emusan way..

See this mumu so the second sentence is fraud yet you took the first sentence


See how hypocrisy wants to wound JaNosense

MUMU pharisee deceiving himself.
Every first born is greater than other sons.
Archangel Michael Jesus is the highest ranking son of God, superior to other angels.
Archangel NOT archangels, no plurality.

Oponu FIRSTBORN means HIGHER IN RANK, so The Son is Greater than ALL ANGELS (including your god Michael) and the same Micheal Worshipped my My God, Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus the day He became A SON which means there was a time He was not a Son.

LYING trinitarians
John 3:16 , John 11:27 dey your own Bible?
God sent His highest ranking only begotten son from heaven. John 3:16-17 & Hebrew 1:6.

Evidence from Jesus Christ, Martha and John the apostle.
Emusan Faithless miscreant proven DISOBEDIENCE to Jesus Christ instructions.

Verse 5 is still giving you severe headache, I understand but you can't deal with it.

Jesus became a Son on earth.

Kobojunkie:
Why not attempt a rebuttal instead of displaying what is the typical religious response exhibited even by Islamics?

Religion is indeed a mission in blindness as Jesus Christ said.

Which rebuttal are you talking about?

The same OP claimed he got repentance through a teaching a preacher preached using Paul's letter. So do you agreed with him that the teaching he got from human being like him is authentic since it's not from your own Jesus Christ?

If he got repentance through Paul's letter, does that not make him a Pauline?

Janosky:
Emusan LIAR, is your Uncle's first born the highest ranking son of God @ Hebrew 1:6

Mumu JaNosense, you won't use EVERY then

Amplified Bible
"And when He again brings the firstborn [highest-ranking Son] into the world" Hebrew 1:6.
Jesus Christ is his Father's highest ranking son in heaven brought into the world.

Let me help you complete that Amp Bible because it's obvious you cherry pick the part that suits you.

"And when He again brings the firstborn [highest-ranking Son] into the world, He says, “And all the angels of God are to worship Him.”

I know you're Olodo so engaging that much will keep draining your dull brain.

Verse 4&5 already stated clearly that He was made GREATER than the Angels (Including Micheal) and that THIS DAY the Father made Him Highest ranking Son.

So Jesus was never a Son from heaven and even the announcement to Mary by Gabriel still reinforced it "He shall be CALLED Son of God"

So carry your empty skull back to your hall.

Emusan Faithless miscreants deceiving himself

JaNosense the lying liar Jws like his father the Devil never ready to receive sense.

Janosky:
Carry your MUMU theory outta here.

Carry your mumu and dull brain back to your hall.

"God brings his first born into the earth", Hebrew 1:6.
Every first born is a Son.
God brings his first born son into the world.

My Uncle first born is a girl not Son

So, just as other verses in scripture say Jesus became a Son on when He became part of the World

Kobojunkie:
Maybe I should go sue sango for not answering me each and every time I called out for him to strike down evil doers.

Congratulations, you finally revealed the god you serve!

So why pretending to be serving the True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all this while?

Aemmyjah:
It's not Jehovah that started the use of cars, wine, many other things we use and enjoy. He did not start the use of necklace which your wife is using (that is if you could afford any for her or even allow her use any)

GOOD I LOVE THIS!

Which means God is not against everything not originated by Him.

So, where did God reject/against Birthday celebration?

Rings can be used for fashion. I wear a ring for fashion

Just as Birthday is just a celebration, I celebrate the DAY GOD ALLOWED my parents to give birth to me.

Wedding ring is a symbolic object showing commitment, marriage, loyalty (even though many still go ahead and live unfaithfully)...

Birthday is a day chosen by the celebrant to appreciate God who created him/her, though many still used the day for evil things.

Aemmy: Show us one instance of pagan using wedding rings or how it began with them or for superstitious uses

Emusan:


Aemmy: Did weddings rings began with pagans or they used them and does pagan using something that others do make that thing evil? No

Emusan.

You never discuss this, so stop the lie.

What about the exchange of vows and kisses in a wedding and bride price paid... Is it Jehovah that started it? If not, that makes them pagan too shey?

Definitely you don't even understand what you're discussing.

O ma se ooooo

Aemmyjah:
We mentioned celebrating birthday is Pagan. Instead of Mumu to dispute and prove us wrong. He brings up wedding rings

This is the evidence that you lack knowledge.

No one ever claim Birthday isn't pagan origin which means it's the practice STARTED BY PAGAN (people who doesn't know THE TRUE GOD) but the point is does God against it?

The answer can't be said Yes or No because Bible silent about it.

The real mumu here is you because calling something A PAGAN means doing things the people (who doesn't know the true God) by worshipping an OBJECT as the latest meaning even though this is not the initial means as the word Pagan came from the Latin word Pagus meaning country/country side.

So you can't say Birthday celebration is a worship of any God even the screenshot you provided says "That spirit 'had a mystic with THE GOD on whose birthday the individual was born'"

People who are celebrating their Birthday in your neighbourhood, which God did they tell you they celebrate their Birthday to?

If we don't use wedding rings, you'll be the one saying nowhere in the world shows that wedding rings were rooted in paganism

Wedding Ring is pagan origin the same way Birthday is pagan origin.

Very simple.

Aemmyjah:
How then did Christ have a Father?

Jesus have a Father the moment He came to the World.

Heb 1:5 - 'God never said this to any of the angels: “You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.”' - ERV

"For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”?+ And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? - NWT

Another ignorance of the scripture is to think Jesus has always been the Son before He came to earth.

Aemmyjah:
Oga
Drop one such origin na
Since there are available records
Why not drop one

It's like me saying that my great grandfather has several cars yet I simply want others to believe without showing the evidence
If you check online, you'll see several references that birthday has spirististic and pagan origin

Only you celebrate wedding rings
Until you drop a correct source, ture a miserable ignorant fellow

See this empty skull.

I should drop evidence after I dropped the same evidence.

Just agreed you've been following Pagan practice of wedding ring.

One thing about you is that you always stay focus about the work of your father the Devil.

Despite the fact that I challenge you and your deluded brother to provide where I said WEDDING RING is celebrated and you couldn't, you're still repeating that lie.

And you keep exposing your ignorance the more not when I have even tutor you about Pagan.

Aemmyjah:
its the god of Kumuyi that started it

That's you and Kumuyi cup of tea

So it's not Jehovah who started it, right?

MaxInDHouse:
The real Christians won't even interfere in whatever traditionalists choose to do we don't force our beliefs on anyone all we do is speak to our neighbours about the Kingdom of our God and of His Christ that's all and if you object today you may have a change of heart some other time.

You're now a REAL CHRISTIAN after denigrating the same NAME and even claimed you have left it for us

Kobojunkie:
Religion is nothing but a set of logical fallacies hidden behind the many mentions of God or some other supposed divine entity.

Was this thread talking about Religion?

MaxInDHouse:
He's just holding to straws!

Reason why you couldn't answer my simple question.

Rings has been in use from time immemorial

Agreed! But by who, God's servants or pagans?

Let's see if you have the mind to answer this.

but since you pointed out that only pagans celebrated birthdays in the Bible he wants to tell you that pagans also use rings during weddings so you should discard it whereas the rings aren't celebrated rather it's the matrimony which God initiated in the beginning.

Then show me one servant of God that used Wedding ring.

Despite the fact you and your deluded brother lies against me of saying WEDDING RING IS CELEBRATED which I never say.

Let me reecho this, nobody celebrate WEDDING RING but the point is Wedding Ring is originated from Pagan.

So in all his arguments he wants to condemn wedding rings as evil since you're telling him that only pagans celebrated birthdays in the Bible!

No! I want to point out your hypocrisy of calling Birthday pagan but accepted the same Pagan Wedding Ring.

That's why you people taught the point is centred around CELEBRATION.

Aemmyjah:
Na your brain empty
Filled with sand
Since your argument is that pagans began the use of wedding rings
Bring one evidence

Stop disgracing yourself on a public forum.

I attached a screenshot and from the screenshot is where I extracted the statement "It is also true that pagan cultures used wedding rings. Historical records are sketchy and not entirely consistent, but available records generally agree that the Egyptians started the custom thousands of years ago."

So, how come you didn't see that from the screenshot?

Empty skull.

The same screenshot is attached below

Aemmyjah:
Show the evidence you brought up

Check the screenshot I attached above.

I know you have searched everywhere on internet and Bible but you couldn't find a single place where The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one who started the use of Wedding Ring

Steep:
Right from the get go he was exposed as an agent of Satan. Do you know that in his earlier posts when he nearly joined nairaland he was exalting allah? He said insinuated that Mohammad was a true prophet who received message from God. After he faced heavy fire from Christians on nairaland he changed mouth lying against the Holy Spirit, that he mistook the holy spirit because the holy spirit spoke Hansa, which he didn't understood very well.
Jesusjnr is very blasphemous and an antichrist.

I remember very well.

It was after that he had challenge with Atheist which failed woefully and led to his deactivation of his first moniker.

Yet such liar will put himself above Paul by lying that Jesus revealed the truth to him but the same Jesus was watching Paul making wrong teachings.

Steep:
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


The recent wicked outburst against the teachings of christ through apostle Paul again revealed the kind of spirit in these men.
With smooth and eloquent speech they deceive the ignorant.

As Christians we must be alert, we must be vigilant, we must watch and be ready against the wiles of the enemy.
We must hold tightly to the doctrines of christ through his apostles, false ministers down doctrines for signs and wonders (a product of word of faith movement) The new apostolic reformation is straight from the pit of hell.
Satan is creating a one world religion that looks like Christianity because Christianity is has true but the new religion is against christ and the apostles it is devoid of truth.
The new apostolic reformation is part of this false religion, Satan is an imitator he has nothing original, he takes what belongs to God and twist it.
This false ministers are characterized by spiritual experience and encounters, either by an angel, a Saint or a a spirit that masquerades as Jesus, or a false holy spirit.

God gave us the bible for a reason so that we don't rely on experience or encounters, Satan is a master deciever he could transform himself to an angel of light to further his deception.

Paul was never alone in the church, the other Apostles, James, John, Peter and others were there none ever said Paul's teachings had errors yet someone thousands of years later will now say they had errors.
That was how Mohammad came hundreds of years after christ and the apostles to calim he had received a new revelation,so was Joseph Smith, and Russell and his team, and many others.
May the Lord help us to discern and expose and cast off false errors and false teachings in Jesus name.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Don't be surprised that the defender of these two men here who called himself jesusjnr2020 got repented through a message a preacher preached using Apostle Paul teaching.

This means, if Paul was wrong so his repentance!

jesusjnr2020:
Are You A True Christian Or Paulian? Know The Difference

*A true Christian is anyone who fully follow the teachings of Christ and places His teachings above every other, but a Paulian is anyone who fully follows the teachings of Paul and places his teachings above those of anyone else, including the teachings of Christ.

*It's impossible to be a true Christian and a Paulian at the same time because some of the teachings of apostle Paul goes against the teachings of Christ, so there's no middle ground for anyone. It's either you're fully for Christ or fully for Paul, no sitting on the fence here.

God bless.

See the hypocrite!

According to the hypocrite "It's either you're fully for Christ or fully for Paul, no sitting on the fence here." but the same hypocrite became Christian according to the message he heard a preacher preached using Paul's letter.

Evidence is right here on this THREAD.

So you became a Christian through a teaching that is against Jesus Christ teaching.

Not only that, going by that statement from this hypocrite: "It's either you're fully for Christ or fully for Paul, no sitting on the fence here." he has always used the writings of Paul in some of the thread or comments he made on this forum yet the hypocrite is saying "It's either you're fully for Christ or fully for Paul, no sitting on the fence here."

Example of thread or comment he had used Paul's teachings

Thread 1

Thread 2

Comment

These are just enough for people to know the serpent talking here.

Aemmyjah:
Kindly prove your claim that paganism introduced wedding rings

I provided a screenshot which you didn't read in the first place before you made your reply and your blinded brothers suddenly found their voices to disgrace themselves without reading my attached screenshot.

I then replied THREE OF YOU LYING LIAR JWS with this @color and @bold statement from the screenshot which says "It is also true that pagan cultures used wedding rings. Historical records are sketchy and not entirely consistent, but available records generally agree that the Egyptians started the custom thousands of years ago."

Read the @bolden part slowly and when you get to the @color part reduce the speed further maybe this time your dull and empty brain will open to see it.

Aemmyjah:
A pagan used something does not mean it began from them
Keep fooling

Despite the fact that I blown your balloon of lie with a pin.

The screenshot is still there.

Wedding ring began from pagan. That is the FACT!

And if you think otherwise then answer the question I've been asking you since.

Where did the use of wedding ring began?

Don't be a coward by answering that question with evidence.

MaxInDHouse:
OK thanks!

So next time use the brain God gave you

MaxInDHouse:
He only enjoys arguing with JWs so even when he knows what he's saying sounds stupid he'll continue arguing after all it's against Jehovah's Witnesses so support will come from all sides to back him though they may disagree on all others doctrines at least they all agree to stand against JWs!

So you too blinded by fake brotherhood didn't see this part from the screenshot "It is also true that pagan cultures used wedding rings. Historical records are sketchy and not entirely consistent, but available records generally agree that the Egyptians started the custom thousands of years ago."

You people can't still provide any counter statement to show wedding ring was established by Jehovah

Janosky:

Engineer nut nut
How can so called Engineer understand "complex electronic design" when he's unable to understand very simple sentences & statements?

Very Dim Witted OZUO Pro max

I know you're empty upstairs but if you pay attention you can add knowledge.

Here is part of my screenshot "It is also true that pagan cultures used wedding rings. Historical records are sketchy and not entirely consistent, but available records generally agree that the Egyptians started the custom thousands of years ago."

So, did wedding ring BEGAN with pagan culture?