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jesusjnr2020:
I'm not surprised about this because I know how obssessed many Christians were with Paul, he's taken the place of Christ in their lives as their lord, savior and holy spirit, so anyone who dares points out the error in his teachings would be called all sorts of names, including antichrist, satanic agent, and now a Muslim.

I heard the preacher make a very valid point that Christians should be take priority in what Jesus says, not Paul or anyone else. I mean, how is that supposed to make someone to be called a Muslim by someone who claims to be a christian?

You've been repeating this lies often and often yet when you are asked questions, you will turn a blind eyes to it.

Paul wrote all his letters to the CHURCHES in various places.

Do you think Christ will fold His hands and allowed Paul to teach ERRORS to His Churches without correction?

You can't eat your cake and also have it, if you agreed that it was Christ who called Paul then you must accept ALL HIS TEACHINGS as THAT OF CHRIST which is the position of ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS but saying Jesus called Paul but Paul taught ERROR is to deny the authority of Christ in Paul's teachings.

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no misunderstanding here. This is just an example of because of guilt

People see what they want to see and what people want to see never has anything to do with the truth. R. Bolano

Exactly like a criminal who must wish that Criminal Law has been abolished and therefore he will hang on anyone who says criminal law has been abolished even if it is fake news, but he no go gree.

There is actually, if not people will not just focus on the word 'ABOLISH' alone and neglected the real one which is 'FULFILL'.

Firstly, you don't FULFILL law rather you obey law.

Secondly, if the above is true then, one can deduce that Jesus wasn't talking about over 600 laws given to the Israelites.

Thirdly, in line of this, it is more evident that when Christ says he didn't come to ABOLISH but rather to FULFILL then it must be everything written about HIM and how the rest have their true meaning in the messianic works.

Lastly, this is exactly how Christ Himself put it after resurrection.

"He said to them, ‘How foolish you are, and how slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Christ have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?’ And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. ... He said to them, ‘This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.’ Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. Luke 24:25-27, 44-45

Jackanda1:
Who said the holy spirit is a force. He's a person.

The person I quoted said so and also agreed Holy Spirit can SPEAK as you read from his post.

Isn't that confusion?

MaxInDHouse:
So a Christian who has been baptized with the spirit of God will later turn back and say God doesn't exist?

But your organisation holds the belief that A Born Again brother can be replaced and the reason why the ruling class calling of 144,000 hasn't completed since the time of the early church.

Someone who has experienced the spirit speaking to him or her will just wake up one day and say God doesn't exist!

So an active force can SPEAK to people

Is this mistake or what?

Kobojunkie:
He was? The very same Paul whose letters contain less than 0.1% of the actual teachings of Jesus Christ was ahead of Jesus Christ and the revelations of God's Truth that Jesus Christ had?

He never said this and you just put those words in his mouth.

I can imagine Paul rolling in his grave and maybe wishing he had never sent out any letters. He probably wished he had burned all copies instead because the filth spewed in his name by the people of this foreign religion that is far from Jesus Christ must be had to stomach. Paul, like all others, is in his grave awaiting the return of Jesus Christ and eventual judgment but look at men worshipping him like he was some god.

Here you're trying to be clever by half.

If Paul's teachings contain Christ messages, why should Paul be thinking of burning them?

Was it only Paul letters you believe people misunderstanding?

So, should other Apostles be rolling in their grave and thinking of burning their own writing as people can't stomach them?

Dtruthspeaker:
i have told him several times that Tje Law. was never abolished rather Christ brought it back since the jews threw it away. And thst paul is a lawyer telling us that Christ brought The Law back that "end of Law" means destination and purpose in Law and not termination/finish as laymen will think.

I think the understanding here is the usage of the word 'abolished' Christ Himself said he didn't come to abolish but to fulfill that is: I didn't come to begin set a new law for God's redemption and plan for the people but rather I'm bringing out the true meaning of already laws in place and fulfil them in my person.

Qasim6:
Concerning your statement about the law of Moses been abolished, I just want to know other than the writings of Paul are there other source for that?

Abolishment as used by Paul is the consummation of the old law in Christ.

That is bringing out the TRUE MEANING of the law as Christ fulfilled them.

Because I believe Jesus said he has not come to abolish the law but to fulfill the law and also I know the other Apostles continue to follow the law after Jesus left the scene.[/quota]

Yes! And this is what Paul actually taught.

Fulfillment of the law in Christ Jesus.

Jesus didn't abolished the law but brought its true meaning/fulfilment in His life style, suffering, crucifixion, death, atonement and resurrection.

[quote]If the knowledge of abolishment was revealed to Paul, Why didn't Paul tell the apostles about the abolishment of the law when he was summoned to Jerusalem concerning him telling people not to follow the law. He was even asked to do some religious rites to show to people he follows the law and he obliged

The funny thing is, it was Apostle Peter that Jesus Himself first taught about consummation of the old law in the vision of the sheet being led down from heaven which is called a "Dietary fulfilment"

[quote author= post=128726448]Wtf is he [/quote]He is a par to your darling president and don't forget he was at Dubai climate submit too.

So let your prayer for the enemies of this nation starts now.

Sand2022:
This will all happen when he comes in the future, not 1914. The major problem of JW is 1914. It is said that one theological error leads to another

This is the key!

One certain thing is that 1914 has no historical and scriptural backing, so anything build on it will continue to be false!

jesusjnr2020:
Already knew you would never accept whatever anyone else says about the errors in teachings of Paul no matter how obvious they were, because of how obsessed you are with Paul and blindly follow his teaching as was typical of any Paulian.

The fact you'll never accept because of your evil mind towards God's word and Jesus Christ is that, If Paul's teaching contains any error, it's the duty of the person who called and made him Apostle to the Gentile to correct him.

So if Jesus allowed Paul's teaching that contains error stay without a single correction shows Jesus is not up to the task.

That's why i chose not to oblige you prior to this.

It doesn't erase the fact that, you couldn't answer my questions which is the reason you just repeating yourself over and over again.

However in this particular case it was Paul that said himself that his teaching did not emanate from God

Understanding is the key here and the reason why I provided different translations.

That you lack the understanding of what Paul said in that verse isn't anybody's fault.

so i expected that you should at least accept what he said himself because of the highest of the highest of respect you have for him

Yes I respect Paul but my highest respect goes to the very person who called Paul to service and I'm 💯% trust in Him that He can't allow Paul teaches error.

but most unfortunately you rejected his own teaching because it goes against your erroneous belief that all his teachings came from God.

I didn't and that's why I will keep saying that you lack the understanding of Paul statement which I even helped you with other translations. I didn't produce those translations and you saw the truth in them but decided to turn a blind eyes.

So if you don't believe it when Paul says it himself, is it mine you will believe?

I believe what Paul wrote and I repeat it's your lack of understanding that leads to your erroneous interpretation.

Finally i leave you with his teaching which clearly exposes your blatant hypocrisy, believe it or not.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

I didn't deny anything here but many versions of the holy scriptures simplified it better so I'll leave them here for simple comprehension.

AMP: To the rest I declare—I, not the Lord [since Jesus did not discuss this]—that if any [believing] brother has a wife who does not believe [in Christ], and she consents to live with him, he must not leave her.

CEB: I’m telling everyone else (the Lord didn’t say this specifically): If a believer has a wife who doesn’t believe, and she agrees to live with him, then he shouldn’t divorce her.

CEV: I don't know of anything else the Lord said about marriage. All I can do is to give you my own advice. If your wife isn't a follower of the Lord, but is willing to stay with you, don't divorce her.

ERV: The advice I have for the others is from me. The Lord did not give us any teaching about this. If you have a wife who is not a believer, you should not divorce her if she will continue to live with you.

Seek understanding!

MaxInDHouse:
He knows nothing apart from exchange of hurtful words so once i've beaten him smartly i will just leave him to continue agitating at least Moses and Jesus admitted they were SENT by someone GREATER than them and their friends realized that they are serving the one who SENT them as SERVANTS.

Ọmọ that's enough for stubborn churchgoer!

See lie at the @bold

Look at the words your deluded brother has used on this thread in reply to my post (MUMU, Your stupidity) and provide where I used any words that is hurtful like his own.

If at all my words are hurtful to you, it means the truth in them are hitting you hard.

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
MUMU
Moses best friend called him God's servant
Jesus closest friends called him God's servant

Go and correct them

Your stupidity is getting poisonous to you really. It is so high that you can't reach it
Bye
If you like mention me a million times, I won't answer you

Smile...see a bitter soul!

If Moses and Jesus closest friends called them God's servants you said so not to 'LIE' that Jesus ADMITTED it.

Even though you're just using panadol on top of someone's headache. The person who made that claim couldn't support his claim with Bible and has given up upon his lies and you that want to die on top the same issue couldn't provide any verse to back it up.

This is really giving you people severe pain.

Aemmyjah:
Ok
Sincere believers accept what the Bible says
Disciples of God prayed to God through his holy servant and he answered them.
You cannot invalidate
Either they said nonsense or you're just too stupid to understand anything

Once your frustration has ended just show me where Jesus ADMITTED it.

If you people can even lie against The Father Himself who else you can't lie against.

Aemmyjah:
John wrote regrading Jesus that the father his greater than him

His disciples prayed regarding Jesus, that he is God's holy servant

In combination, Jesus is the holy servant of one greater than him, Jehovah God.

Fullstop

You just agreed with me that Jesus NEVER ADMITTED it.

Aemmyjah:
Keep contradicting the Bible na

Point out the contradictions.

hakeemhakeem:
According to Islam Satan was among the Powerful angels working with God, alone the line he went against the command of Allah and condemned him.

The name Satan means 'Opposition' 'Accuser' 'Adversary'

So, if Allah actually created an Opposition and the person carried out the very purpose of being created (by going against the command of Allah), why will Allah condemn the person for doing the very thing he was created for?

A single cell that contains billions of instructions, far more complex than even the most supercomputer we have today and packed in a space of 20-30nm is considered a work of random event while a supercomputer chips that is less complex and packed in 16X16mm silicon wafer are considered to be a work of genius and intelligent designer.

God is truly wonderful!

Tap0lane:
You igbos hate the fact that you are being called out for your foolishness. Why not own your foolish hate on Tinubu with your full chest instead of hiding behind this you senseless excuse

It's evident that you're the hater here not Igbo because my post never even mention any tribe.

My advice:

God didn't create you to hate

Don't allow politicians turn you to hater and tribalistic.

I'm not an Igbo for your information!

Tap0lane:
Many of you Igbos have no idea how pathetic you sound with all this your senseless n foolish hate

If you have not mentioned the name Igbo, your body won't come down.

And anyone who criticized your Lord and saviour is automatically an Igbo.

Very pathetic!

The deed has been done already!

Aemmyjah:
Mumu
How then did we know Jesus made the statement Luke and Paul wrote?

Jesus did not ADMIT that He was a SERVANT of someone greater than Him.

Just proof me wrong by providing where Jesus ADMITTED it. How is that hard for you?

Aemmyjah:
Who has problem?

You of course!

Explain how someone can be someone son, equal to the same person and be the same person. Make sense of your nonsense

First of all, I don't know where you people get the idea that Jesus is the same person as the Father. This shows that you people don't know much about Trinity.

Secondly, the day you people will be able to distinguish between when scripture speaks about Jesus Christ before He became part of Creations and when Jesus was never part of Creations, is the day your journey to acknowledge scriptural truth begins.

Thirdly, scripture speaks sparingly about Jesus when He was not part of creation and more when He became part of creations.

Lastly, Jesus was not called Son of God not until He became part of Creation.

Now you'll see those who already praised the president for the sanction will now be praising him again.

Aemmyjah:
Also confirmed is that Jesus is the son of God

Yes!

You said all these
Make everything make sense na

That's why I told you, if you want me to explain then tell me your problem first

Aemmyjah:
Is it not same Luke that wrote same words that called Jesus holy servant?
Abi, he lost inspiration at that moment?

Was Joshua not also inspired
Wetin dis pikin de yan?

Which means Luke and Joshua have A SOURCE to back up their claims.

So, where is your sources that Jesus ADMITTED to be a SERVANT OF GOD?

Aemmyjah:
Oga
Check other versions na
Jehovah produced Jesus as the beginning or first of his creation and works
Jesus was with Jehovah during the creation of the world
Simple and logical

That's not the point,

I asked you some questions based on the same NIV you provided, so answer my questions and stop preambulating.

Aemmyjah:
Na me talk am

King James Version
Deuteronomy 34:5
So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Acts 3:13
New International Version
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

Poor Christian disputing wetin Bible talk

But these are not Jesus OWN statement.

Meanwhile, I'm not disputing that the Bible says Jesus is a servant of God but the statement of your lying liar brother who claimed Jesus ADMITTED...

So where is Jesus ADMITTED is what I was asking but at least you and him already agreed that Jesus DIDN'T actually make that statement, which means you lied.

Aemmyjah:
I have
According to Emusan, the truth speaker
Jesus is God
Jesus is son of God
Jesus is with God
Jesus came from God
Jesus is equal to God

Nonsense makes sense to some people sha

Confirmed according the scripture.

Aemmyjah:
So we should invalidate what Luke and Paul wrote Jesus said right?



Paul and Luke lied shey?

Paul and Luke were inspired

Do you know the many of that?

Aemmyjah:
So Jehovah produced Jehovah as the beginning of his way?


I see you have problem comparing with other bibles
😂

Now you see he can't answer questions e get why

Aemmyjah:
In the book of Acts, Luke wrote that Jesus said, there is more happiness in receiving than there is in giving.

1. We have no evidence Luke walked with Jesus

2. Nowhere in the Gospels did we read Jesus say those words

Was Luke lying against Jesus by adding his own words or he was actually writing what Jesus said

Later, Paul wrote that Jesus said at his baptism, I have come to do your will

1. Paul was not with Jesus
2. We did not read Jesus say any words at his baptism in any of the gospels

Was Paul lying or he was actually saying what Jesus said

If you want my brother MaxInDHouse to show you where Jesus himself said he was servants or where Moses said same, but we read from the Bible that their closest friends described them as such. First convince us that what Luke and Paul wrote was false or true to show where Jesus himself SAID these words

I'm glad you also confirmed that Jesus OR MOSES never said such.

So, what is the point of lying that JESUS ADMITTED something why can't you just says the Bible says so and so?

You see reason why I do say you people are of your father the Devil.

Aemmyjah:
Note the highlighted. It's in NIV

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[c][d]
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind.

Tell us pls
Who is speaking?

Again the Eternal wisdom of Yahweh.

Now let me ask my questions and don't dodge them since you agree with NIV.

1. "at the very beginning, when the world came to be". Did it occur to you here that the speaker said the very beginning is when the WORLD actually came to be? I know you'll too blind to see that.

2. The speaker actually spoke about the PERSON carrying out the creation activities which means the speaker can't be the one Creating things i.e "I was there when 'HE' set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, 28 when 'HE' established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, 29 when 'HE' gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command,..."

So who is that 'HE' that the speaking was talking about?

If your shallow head wants you to conclude that God once had no wisdom, your brain is to blame

So is JESUS Wisdom of God or not?