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Aemmyjah:
Someone mention birthday
Someone mentions wedding ring

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You see you can't point to where I use CELEBRATION

So are both not Pagan Practices?

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Aemmyjah:
Ask MaxInDHouse
I think he's the only one celebrating wedding ring like you
Na for your village dem de celebrate wedding ring na

Lemme ask Chatgpt to list 100 celebrated events if I'll see wedding ring

You couldn't address any of my point but just spewing thrash

Now can you show me from any of my post where I said wedding ring is celebrated?

You're just too dull

Aemmyjah:
Besides, there's nothing pagan in the origin of rings

So what is Pagan about Birthday celebration?

It began as a fashion then part of marriage in line with payment of dowries

Just birthday began as just a day of FEAST. So what is Pagan about Birthday?

Some people will just bring out foolish arguments without thinking or verification of what they argue about.
What envy cannot do does not exist

You argue that wedding ring isn't pagan because you know how you people cherish it.

The point is that you should provide how many GOD'S SERVANTS that used Wedding Ring.

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't know the difference between using something and CELEBRATING something.

There are so many things invented by unbelievers that God's people are using since it's part of what God created but CELEBRATING what they invented is a different thing totally!

This is very laughable.

Do you even understand yourself?

I'm celebrating MY BIRTHDAY

On the other hand, you're using WEDDING RING for WEDDING CELEBRATION

And the funny part is that WEDDING RING is considered essential part of WEDDING ceremony which means without Wedding ring the CELEBRATION ISN'T COMPLETE

Well, to agree that Pagan INVENTED MANY THINGS that you use today shows you can't detached yourself from Pagan.

Meanwhile, you people don't even understand the meaning of the word PAGAN.

MaxInDHouse:
See trouble!

Where is the trouble?

Father and Son are inside the Bible but where is TRINITY written in the Bible?

Trinity didn't appear in the Bible.

Do you have problem with that?

MaxInDHouse:
JWs don't look at religions around us with admiration because we know they're all fake so if he's admiring other religions then he's not a JW!

You know they are all fake yet you'll be demanding for a place of worship of someone you already knew not a jws

Anyway, you still haven't answered my question, what do you understand by the term PIMO?

Michael547:
So who is the father, and who is the son?

Before I answer your question, let me ask you this: What do you understand by the term Trinity?

Michael547:
For us not to imply those verses to the Father in its entirety means that your logic is flawed.
So why can't we apply those verses in its entirety to the Father?

But you see where Jesus was called THE BEGINNING which the Father also called Himself. So can there be TWO BEGINNINGS? You already gave your answer as NO!

We can't apply it because the Father never became part of CREATION to redeem human.

and part those verses were talking about the redemption works of the Son.

Is the Father and Son no longer the same?

They are never the same, reason why I do say you people don't understand what you're arguing against.

Michael547:
Can we apply those verses to the father also?

The right question should be who is actually talking in Proverbs 8:22?

Michael547:
Cam Can we apply col 1:15 and Col 1:18 to the Father?

Yes! But not in their entirety.

The Father is called "The Beginning" which verse 18 also called Jesus Christ.

Besides, verse 17 already proved you wrong that Jesus was actually BEFORE CREATION

"The Son was there before anything was made. And all things continue because of him." ERV

"He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together." NLT

MaxInDHouse:
So he's a JW and what is he looking for in other churches?


https://www.nairaland.com/7783732/want-know-more-deeper-life

Where did he tell you he is looking for something in another church?

What you posted here can be just observations of what is happening around him or you want him to be lying liar like you who will pretend you don't know True Christians do evangelism.

Guy, we don't have business with attention seekers so if he wants help from JWs let him come out plainly and ask

He already said he is a jws so why should he need help from jws again?

but first he must tell us the church he's attending presently apart from that ọmọ nothing for him!

Again, what do you understand by the term PIMO?

MaxInDHouse:
So who is CELEBRATING a wedding ring?

Celebrate wedding ring Ke

Did I use CELEBRATE in my post?

Or who invited you to celebrate a wedding ring?

Na wa oooo

See intelligent officer reasoning

You use wedding ring or you don't use it?

MaxInDHouse:
It's a pagan tradition that's why none of God's servants participated in the celebration!

Just as none of God's servant used a wedding ring which is a pagan practice.

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously he's not here for JWs rather he needs attention and JWs aren't interested in people who have no religion to associate with so you guys can continue giving him what he needed: ATTENTION!

Story!

The fact is he is a JWS which means you know his religion now. So address his points because your earlier point was that he should be avoided since you don't know his religion.

Meanwhile, you didn't answer my question, where was Jesus mentioned PERFORMANCES in that Matt 7:24-27?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus emphasized on PERFORMANCE {Matthew 7:24-27} so if you can't present any performing group it's OK we know you're just deceiving yourself!

Where does the word PERFORMANCE appear in that Matt 7:24-27 or you're the one who decided to interpret it as performance?

MaxInDHouse:
What is the name of his present religion/church?
Without that there's nothing to discuss with him!

I asked you if you understand the meaning of PIMO, but with this your respond it's evident you don't know jack and you'll be claiming intelligent officer

MaxInDHouse:
He is not a JW!

He may be born by JW parents that doesn't make him a JW, a JW is someone who is into the brotherhood of faith so if he is not into the brotherhood of any kind he is not a JW!

But you read where he stated that he is PIMO. Do you know the meaning?

Well, as usual lack of comprehension, I'm the one who is assuming of him being born into Jws.

So, you can't ask for him being avoided rather than to address his point.

That's the issue here

MaxInDHouse:
So Jews born into the nation where all inspired writers of the Bible came from is right by saying Jesus is an impostor shey?

Guy, because people are born by parents who are JWs doesn't mean they knew better than converts just as you will say "Jesus is Lord" but a Jew will say you're stupid for saying that!

That's not the point, now you know he is a jws, he can know more than you. So, you can't advocate for avoiding him anymore.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what you don't know about JWs once you're no longer with the fold you've missed a lot just as Saul left true God for witches.
So guy if you have any questions just ask the practicing JW like me who left my former religion to join them not someone who doesn't know the value of pure worship!

The tune has changed!

From he should be avoided since he doesn't disclose his place of worship to he should ask you who left your former religion to join watchtower.

Meanwhile, he might even be born into jws and know more than you since he is still Physically with Watchtower

Kobojunkie:
As Jesus Christ Himself said, it is only those who have the blood of Jacob in their veins that can worship Him aka trust and obey Him. All others who pretend to do so without this qualification waste their time and lives in vain.

But are you certain that this eternal commitment which may either lead the way to eternal damnation or eternal reward without the guarantee of any immediate reward is what you need in your case?

So you have the BLOOD OF JACOB running in your veins reason why you're the only true worshipper of Jesus in all the earth now.

That's wonderful!

The most important part of that video is where he said "People may not like you but they must listen to whatever you(Obi) say"

You can't be a true lover of Nigeria without picking from whatever Peter Obi says about Nigeria.

Philmakus:
As giant of Africa, we are not supposed to depend on other nations to feed.

It's not even about giant of Africa which is just for mouth.

It's about the capacity of what you have.

Egypt has 3% of arable land which their government has even increased to 4% yet Nigeria has more than 70% of arable land and still receiving aids.

Slytiger:
Reno hits the mark again. He is also right about Peter Obi's tummy filled with Ukrainian wheats from his travel to Egypt.

You people can't come up with a reasonable rebuttal all because you want to continue to defend the same politicians that put Nigeria in the current situation.

Did it occur to you or Reno that the percentage of arable land in Egypt is just about 3% while in Nigeria it's around 80%?

96% of Egypt is desert and out of the remaining 6% it lacks forest, thick trees e.t.c which leaves the remaining 3% arable land.

The most astonish part is that Egyptian government has increased their arable land above 4%

So, is it the best idea that a war torn country like Ukraine that should be providing agricultural aids to Nigeria or you want to blame Egypt that has 4% arable land for receiving aids from Ukraine with 55% arable land?

Is Nigeria not the one that supposed to be sending food aids to Ukraine at this time of war and Egypt with just 4% arable land?

Until we start telling ourselves the truth in this country and stop playing politics, things will continue to be the same and the politicians will be the one taking advantage of the situation for their own interests.

I know you will called me IPOB soon.

RevenuesBoost:
It's the only way out.
It worked for our fathers, it will work for us.
Our fore fathers didn't joke with agriculture.

You people will be priding in your ignorance.

It works for our forefathers because the world hasn't changed much, now that agriculture alone can't determine the economy growth of a nation you still wants to revert back to the old method and you failed to ask question, why do developed countries rely on mechanised farming instead of just advising people of all fields to start backyard farming?

Why is population of farmers keep reducing in these same developed countries?

If we keep blaming the government, food will keep getting costlier even as the country's population is increasing everyday.

The government will continue to take the blamed because that's their priority in the first place. So I don't see why excluding government from this will solve the problem.

I support the fact that the Government have to improve the agricultural sector, but we shouldn't fold our hands while waiting.

You don't need to support, you should as well put the blame on people.

We are already feeling the heat of food scarcity.

That was because the government failed to provide enabling environment for mechanised farming which is 100 times better and sufficient than individual farming system.

The Late Gov of Ondo State Olusegun Agagu came with a brilliant ideas but badly implemented during his tenor. The ideas is that once you as a farmer has land that is measured in hectares just apply to the government, the government will provide tractor to clear, provide necessary machineries and seeds, and fund. He even came with the idea of two or three having land closed together to join as partners and government will be the one supervising it e.t.c

My own is, as the food is getting scarce, plant something. You feel it's nothing but it will go a long way.

Well it's a good advice but just know that no matter how people do backyard farming it can never solve food scarcity.

Not all agricultural products you can even be planted in backyard as some need special treatment and different types of soil.

If Tinubu doesn't take farming seriously, the next president might just do same and then what happens?

That is why, we need a leader who knows what to do and not just playing politics.

Some persons in Nigeria are even richer than the federal government but can't venture into agriculture because of reasons known to them.

I believe it's their choice and there are many people who also want to venture into agriculture but are not financially buoyant, FG can address that.

So don't wait for FG, help yourself.

But people like Dangote can wait for FG to help him.

Let FG creates the system and see if many people will not join the train.

ImmaculateJOE:
How many MW will it take power 1000 household that have all the basics amenities.

Well technology has greatly improved and many households appliances don't require much power nowadays.

For instance, an energy saving bulb is rated around 5-7w, let's assume a house has 30 of them that's just around 210w going with 7w. Compare this with when bulb were rated as 60w, 100w & 200w.

Also, many appliances are now using INVERTED technology which is replacing transformer with high power rated transistor, that's why you can see a deep freezer around 100w instead of above 200w before.

Now let's do the calculation: No matter how the household may consume electricity, I don't think it can be more than 20KW.

So that means, a 1000 households only require 20MW even if we increase it to 30KW it's still very low.

And how many MW will it take to power about 100 average industries..?

The same factors above applied to the industries only that industries need more power for machineries and probably more Air Conditioning (AC).

With this, let's assume an average industry needs about 300KW that's still around 30MW for 100 average industries.

So as the experts say that Aba will only need 92MW is not far from the truth.

I'm even sure that there is future expansion of households and industries in that 92MW.

tctrills:
Keep writing nonsense.
Nigeria has more farmers than the US and the EU combined yet much more hunger. Have you asked yourself why there is more poverty in the rural farming communities than in the towns and cities?

That's is the question they failed to ask and still believe more educated people should go into farming.

yemmit90:
You lacks comprehensive skill, that is the only problem I saw in your replies. It is quite òbvious you don't understand anything from the post.

When it's obvious you're the one who lack the depth index of the subject matter.

Let me break it down in a lay man understanding for you. The way educated people think back then is completely different from the way we believes in education now. They see farming as culture or necessary channel to eat healthy, they do their jobs like us, they are professional like us, they are expert like us, they concentrate on their jobs like us, they works in offices, they have careers like us, just that they only embrace backyards farming as a culture and means of eating from mother earth, which eventually translated to less pressure on our food supply.

That method didn't reduce any pressure on our food supply, that is why we can see the effect today.

And I've given many instances to support my point.

Educated people don't need to plant in their backyard.

Go back to my very first post you quoted and read with understand mind again. I stated it clearly that we can no longer follow the same pattern, because the present educated people( even uneducated ones) abhorred farming or anything related to it.

The point in correcting you for is at the @underlined, that statement is very very wrong. Educated people should focus on their field of study that's how the economy can be diversified.

I therefore suggested that FG should try to empower each local governments for serious farm business that will ensure mass production, because FG can't achieve her aims and objectives by doing them directly.

I believe we both agreed on this.

In conclusion, it is not actually bad if you have few stands of pepper, tomatoes, orange, pawpaw and plantain, on unused land in your compound. These plants have their purpose to serve in your environment and your health, and I am 100% certain you will know the importance of this in your 60's.

It's not bad but it can never address food shortage.

RevenuesBoost:
This is the problem
Everyone believes that not everyone should plant and everyone ends up not planting at all.
That's why there's hunger in Nigeria right now

The reason why there's hunger in the land is because people have been planting in their backyard all this while and that isn't sustainable.

What we need is a modern mechanised farming that is sustainable, can provide surplus food and jobs opportunity.

yemmit90:
Is like you don't get the point, no one say educated people must embrace farming as business, the Idea is to have something planted on your free land at backyard.

I understood your point quite well, and I'm telling you that EDUCATED PEOPLE don't need to plant in their back yard.

Just a modern mechanisation method of agriculture across just 20 states in Nigeria is enough to feed Nigerians. The lies that people should start planting at the back yard isn't comfomed with modern age.

The idea that educated people must not do anything other than handling pens in offices is a total misinformed basis tenet of education.

It's not misinformation rather you're the ignorant one for thinking that way.

Yes! Educated people should focus on what they study in school which will help them to break even and expand more.

Agriculture alone can't drive the economy and any nation that her farmers are more than half of her population is poor.

Those that farm at their backyards then were never illiterates, they just see backyard farming as culture and necessity to eat healthy vegetables and fruits.

And where did it lead us as a country today?

That they did, doesn't mean it's the best.

If more mechanised farming has been embraced then, we won't be where we are today.

If you were a little bit mature in 80's, and 90's, you won't be talking like this. People has backyard farms irrespective of their education level or where they work. I knew alot of professors who has farms at their backyard then. No one is ashame of doing that, go and ask mature people from 70's to year 2000, and be informed better. Many honorable state house of assembly members, local governments chairmen and lot of politicians too has backyard farms back then. Virtually all civil servants has backyard farms or remote ones if they don't own land.

It's evident you're ignorant of the subject matter.

It was even the Russian/Ukraine war that led many Ukrainian into farming which is just about 14% of their population.

Currently, USA number of farmers are reducing since 2000.

India has just about 8% of her population as farmers.

So, it's not until every dick and Harry embrace agriculture that food will be surplus.

I am not advocating for subsistence farming or suggested that everyone must have farm at their backyard, reason I said FG must fund agriculture at local governments level to achieve optimum results in my previous post.

You're advocating for substantial farming and everyone should farm. Why changing your mouth on what you type in black and white?

Yes! FG must be the one to fund agriculture either through the state government or loacl.

Let me shock you, I read an interview of Tinubu sometimes in 2008 shortly after he left office, he was talking about how Nigeria can be sufficient in food supply and provide jobs and he used POULTRY farming as example.

As in, if Nigeria wants to have surplus of eggs, FG should consider giving every Nigerians 1 eggs per day. He then goes further to ask, can you imagine how many number of poultry farm that will need to be set up in other to give each Nigerian 1 eggs per day?

Do you know how many people those poultry farms will employ?

Now, the reason I brought this up is because, he didn't talk about every educated people to start rearing fowls in other to be sufficient in eggs as individual farming can't create any job opportunity and surplus of food.

But mechanisation method of farming will provide sufficient food and a lot of job opportunities.

Think about the storage facility required, number of machineries, manpower needed e.t.c

RevenuesBoost:
Most people planting in large scale make use of farm machineries.

And this is what we need not what you said below.

No matter how educated you are, you need food to survive.
This is a state of food emergency for Nigerians and the solution is farming.

Yes the solution is farming but not by every dick and Harry.

Statistic shows population of USA farmers are declining which is just about 2 millions that's is less than 1% of USA population.

India farmers are about 150 millions which is just about 8% of India population.

Ukraine that provided aids to Nigeria has less than 1 million as farmers.

So I repeat Nigeria don't need millions of farmers but millions of mechanised farming method.

Nigeria needs millions of farmers as well as millions of modernized farming methods.

If you can't plant in large scale, have a small garden.
If you don't have a land, use sacs

Let's have this food in surplus so we can export it to other countries and that will also help our economy.

We still import food till now.
We still import green apples when our lands are good enough for red apples.

Food is part of essential of life no doubt about that but food isn't the only items needed to run economy.

The lies that Nigeria needs more farmers is stale and aren't conformed with modern method of agriculture.

yemmit90:
Though we can't experience the same pattern now because alot are educated and detest farming so much. State and local governments authorities should start encourage big farming by providing necessary equipment, security and seeds to intending farmers. This is the only way we can solve problem of food crises in Nigeria. Federal government is too far to achieve the same objective, because the provision will always be hijacked before reaching the real farmers. Local governments should be empowered by FG to start serious farming business in their jurisdiction .

I don't know where you people get the idea of educated people MUST enter farm.

If majority of educated people enter farm, what will happen to other sectors of the economy?

The truth is, Nigeria as a country don't need millions of farmers rather millions of modernize farming method.

94% of Egypt is a desert which means Egypt only has about 6% arable land yet account for most production of soya beans and others products.

Kobojunkie:
1. It is against the declaration of God to Add, Remove, or even change any of His commandments and teachings — God's Law. You set Paul up as someone who did all that and more, and here you ask me how any of that is against God?

Since you claim Paul did all these.

Do you then agree that Paul can't be of Christ and can't be chosen by Christ, which then mean all Paul teachings should be rejected?