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MaxInDHouse:
Come down to rescue..... from the hands or powers of Egypt!

This was your previous statement:

@ Exodus 3:8
God promised to go down to Egypt and rescue the Israelites!

Which implies GOD HIMSELF and the reason @Steep asked you to show him where it was stated.

But reading that verse it shows that God CAME DOWN as in appeared to Moses, that is why it was put as 'I have come down' Present Perfect Tense

Should we begin English class on that?

Aemmyjah:
De play
Jesus mentioned he has someone greater than he is

Very clear and nobody argues that

He's not before that one

Nobody said this as well

But the scripture does say Jesus is BEFORE ALL THINGS

And Only THE Creator is BEFORE ALL THINGS

Besides, do you translate Greek version word for word

Per as a scholar

Aemmyjah:
Nowhere did the father call himself the beginning
De cap nonsense

Kai and you will be calling yourself a literate person.

What is the meaning of 'Alpha'?

Why do you think watchtower is trying to make it sound that Jesus didn't call Himself 'Alpha and Omega's in Revelation?



You must learn in hard way

MaxInDHouse:
Do you have Exodus 3:8 in your copy of the Bible?

This is Exo 3:8 where did God say He will go to Egypt?

CEV: and I have come down to rescue them from the Egyptians. I will bring my people out of Egypt into a country where there is a lot of good land, rich with milk and honey. I will give them the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live.

KJV: And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.

NLT: So I have come down to rescue them from the power of the Egyptians and lead them out of Egypt into their own fertile and spacious land. It is a land flowing with milk and honey—the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live.

Aemmyjah:
Same Paul wrote that this Jesus will never be seen again.
The appearance there is figurative - literal in the spiritual sense

If figurative was not used maybe the blindfolding could have fell off

Aemmyjah:
John 1:1 associated Jesus having a beginning
He is before all things

See ignorance in play

So BEGINNING is not part of ALL THINGS.

At least you agreed that He is BEFORE ALL THINGS.

But he's not before God, his father ans creator

How can Jesus BEFORE HIS FATHER?

Since you agreed that Jesus is BEFORE ALL THINGS means Jesus is the Creator because ONLY GOD is BEFORE ALL THINGS.

Reason why the Father also called Himself 'The Beginning"

That is why your fraud organisation trying to change the narrative by inserting the word 'OTHER' multiple times in that Col 1:17-18 because of its implication if they agree that Jesus is actually BEFORE ALL THINGS.

Well, the truth is Col 1:18 still uphold Jesus as "The Beginning"

Well, glory be to God watchtower isn't in charge of manuscripts they'd have changed many things just to support their demonic doctrines.

I'm happy to announce to you that the word OTHER has no place in Greek manuscripts.

For you to keep dodging my questions shows how dishonest you are.

jesusjnr2020:
The King James version is the best and most accurate translation of the ancient texts of both old testament and new testament of the Bible, so for you to be desperately seeking other translations of the Bible in an attempt to dodge what is clearly stated there and needs no further explanation, shows that you cherry-pick what to believe in Paul's teachings.

So funny of you.

You're ignorant to think what KJV says is different from what those other translations say in that verse.

Both are saying the same thing just that your level of comprehension is to low for that.

It obviously contradicts and exposes the gross error of your belief that all of Paul's teachings were inspired of God, that why you're trying to dodge it by all possible means, even though Paul himself clearly stated it there.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

The bolded needed no further explanation, hence why most other translations of this verse didn't see the need to change it, but for the few warped translations you desperately searched out which didn't still exonorate you, but just made the clear saying ambiguous, which was enough encouragement for you to think you can twist it to escape from that saying which clearly exposes your hypocrisy and erroneous beliefs.

Yes all Paul teachings are inspired that you lack understanding of it isn't anybody's fault.

That's why I asked you, how will you have addressed those issues Paul addressed considering the fact that Jesus didn't address them?

Tomorrow you will start accusing the JW's of the same, but here you are doing exactly the same thing to prove you're no different from them but just a fellow hypocrite.

Whatever I say about jws I support it with scriptures I just don't counter people just on my own opinions.

Just as I'm doing with you right now by providing different translations to buttress my point.

And you can't still counter it by providing your own evidence.

Also you keep ignorantly saying why Jesus didn't correct him as if Jesus was here in person while Paul was preaching, so you would know when Jesus corrects or corrected him. At least you know Jesus severally corrected and rebuked (the erroneous teachings and beliefs of) His apostles after He chose them while He was here on Earth, to prove that even though He chose them, they're not inerrant and not all they say or teach was inspired of God as you blindly believe. Matthew 16:23.

But before Jesus ascended, he told His disciples that He has many things to say to them which they can't bear now but that The Holy Spirit will come and GUIDE THEM INTO all TRUTH.

Your first spiritual weakness is to think UNTIL JESUS IS PRESENT PHYSICALLY then He will correct His apostles when Jesus already gave guidelines on how event will turn before ascending.

Just like I ask and you keep dodging, if Paul is teaching errors who is in best place to point it out, You or Christ?

Do you think Christ will fold hands and allow Paul to be teaching errors which in other ways leading people astray?

Saying Paul teaching contains errors means Paul actually led millions astray because an erroneous messages mean unacceptable message by God, do you agree with this?

And please stop continuously contradicting or lying to yourself that you never said any human is infallible or inerrant, because if you believe and repeatedly keep saying the teachings of apostle Paul cannot possibly have errors, it is tantamount to believing or saying he is inerrant or infallible. If you believe he is fallible, then the same goes for his teachings. You cannot eat your cake and still have it so stop this confusion please.

Yes I never said any human is infallible, you can provide anywhere you caught me saying that.

Yes Paul's teaching can't contains errors because Paul was personally chosen by Christ Himself and I don't believe Christ will allow Paul to mislead people through his teachings.

I believe only Christ is inerrant and consequently His teachings, hence why I distinguish His teachings from those of the apostles, which i believe could contain errors since they're not inerrant as Christ was.

But were the apostles under the control and guidance of God's Holy spirit?

Can Holy Spirit teach errors?

I leave these questions to you if you like answer them or not.

jesusjnr2020:
There's no need for too much talk with you because the King James Version is clear enough for even the blind to see and understand, so it's unless you have ulterior motives as the JW's that you will be seeking a warped translation that suits your antichrist agenda.

If not because of ignorance, you should know that I didn't reject KJV but emphasis on simple comprehension. This happened everywhere some books explain or shield more light on a subject than others. Not that the rest aren't correct.

Well, this shows you truly lack understanding of the verse you're accusing Paul for.

You're the one who has been accusing others of cherry-picking whatever suits them from Paul's teachings, so if you don't accept that this teaching of Paul was from him, not from God as he clearly stated, that you're nothing but a hypocrite!

If I'm cherry picking I won't provide more than three different translations that explained that verse in simple language.

So, since you're confused and lack comprehension I did that stressful work to enlighten you.

Here is it again just incase you think you can dodge his teaching which exposes your ignorance that all Paul teachings were inspired of God.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

If I dodged it I won't provide up to 5 different translations that speak on the subject matter.
Maybe, you'll accuse me of translating those versions.

By the way, it's not only ignorant but also foolish to think that one must accept everything someone says or teaches, including any errors, just because the person is an apostle and was chosen by Jesus.

This where you failed to acknowledge your mistake and reason why you dodged my questions.

No one claim Paul is perfect and can't make mistake (personal life) but when it comes to God's work and teaching, do you think Jesus who called Paul to work will be watching and allows Paul to teach WRONG MESSAGE? Holy spirit was their to guide the Apostle on Gospel message just as Jesus Himself said.

That's one problem with the church today because being chosen of Christ or apostle of Christ doesn't make one inerrant, hence the embracing of many antichrist and man-made ideas and doctrines which has made the Word of God to be of little or no effect.

Say your church and not that of the Christ and I never claim any where since I join nairaland that any human is perfect and infallible.

You can quote me wrong if you ever come across it.

We have Bible as God's word where we can cross check anyone today.

That's why I asked you, how will you address many things Jesus didn't talk about but were asked of Paul, if you're to be in Paul's shoe?

Will you lie Christ taught it or not?

Will Jesus correct Paul for any wrong teaching or leave him to be misleading people and teaching error?

It's only Christ who is inerrant that deserves such total loyalty and adherence to His Words from those who are truly His followers, not anyone else. Not even Paul, unless he has taken the place of Christ in your life and is now your master and lord not Christ. Of course that's the truth with many Christians today, including yourself, even though you may deny that glaring fact.

All these are not necessary because I never said any human is infallible.

If you want to be truthful to yourself, answer my questions above.

Aemmyjah:
Olodo
I spent 19 years in Ibadan and not understand the language of the land i grew up?

You'll still write Yoruba language and pass before you can claim to understand it.

What did you score in Yoruba?

Poor interpretation of the Bible

So the source you quoted have wrong interpretation and you still quoted it.

What a genius. Well, it's not new to me.

Remember your deluded brother has to quote an apostate to support his claim before his smell yansh was bursted.

just as you said John 1;1 meant, before the world began, the Word was 😂

John 1:1 put the Word before creation just proof my wrong by providing a single scholar who interpreted it differently.

Col 1:17 also supported John 1:1 by saying "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

You know the fraud your organisation did to Col 1:16-18 by inserting the dubious word "OTHER" multiple times to change the context.

It's just hate and envy that is disturbing you Cos of someone's wife as you yourself said

Provide where I said it!
I know anytime you people are hit with truth, you then look for a way out. It's not new

Hope and glory was mentioned together. They did not mean the same thing
Jesus and God are not same

But your source concluded that it's about ONE PERSON.

Now that your lie was exposed you're dancing in market Square.

You're the one confusing yourself
Jesus is God
Jesus is son of God
Jesus is equal to God
Jesus is God incarnate

Head de worry you

I can give you full Bible study on this just tell my your problem first.

Aemmyjah:
Oh
My son
Same you I translated for in Yoruba shey?

The language you don't understand.

You will intentionally ignore where it says that it WAS ASSUMED that it was referring to two different persons just as hope and glory is the same verse are not same
Glory and hope
Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

Enjoy the rest of the month

Did you read the @underline part or I should send glass?

So it was assumed that is referring to two different person but the further text shows that it was one person.

It was stated clearly that the "The whole sentence will then stand thus: Looking for the blessed hope, and for the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Savior Jesus Christ" and also "The appearing of Christ will be the appearing of the glory of the great God, not the appearing of God the Father, to whom the term ἐπιφανεία is never applied, but of the Son, who is the Brightness of his Father's glory"

Which means it's about ONE person and that person is JESUS CHRIST our Great God and Saviour.

Just like I advised, you people should stop using the work of Christendom and stay with your non-scholarly works of Watchtower.

Aemmyjah:
American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,


New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

All the translations you quoted never explicitly say the statement is for two persons.

The Pulpit Commentary you provided also never supported your claim.

You know the reason why you cropped your screenshot to begin in that part but below is the part you INTENTIONALLY omitted because you know it's against you.

There's no how you people will sneak into those Christendom works to steal from it and you won't be exposed, that's why I always advise you people to stick with your non-scholarly works of Watchtower.

Kobojunkie:
Again, 1. No, because not all Paul's statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

Did you reject ALL PAUL writings or not?

Stop preambulating.

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth.

You don't know and you can't know because you're not the person who called him to the great task.

I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself.

Did Jesus Christ make you a judge to anyone?

Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well.

Who asked you story?

To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of the many letters he supposedly wrote, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

How do you know this but Paul, Peter and James didn't know?

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ.

But you want to judge the same Paul had been you live in Judah 2000years ago.

My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Who made you servant of Christ?

Very simple questions!

jesusjnr2020:
You see how your sheer hypocrisy has been totally exposed?

Point it out.

Here you are twisting and trying to cunningly wiggle yourself out of what Paul said here which clearly exposed your hypocrisy, and you think I am your problem?

I don't remember I ever claim you're a problem to me.

Besides, I only quote A BIBLE TRANSLATION what I provided above aren't my word, so how can I twist it?

You don't even believe Paul says! That's the truth.

If don't believe what Paul says i won't be here.

Rather it's who cherry pick whatever suits you in what Paul wrote and called the rest ERROS.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Paul made it very simple so if you don't agree that what he said here did not from God but from Paul as he said himself, then you should argue with Paul, not me.

That is why a good student of the scriptures will do more research to enlighten him/herself.

If the way KJV puts it is so difficult for you to understand we have many other versions that is available for better understanding.

I believe it's because of people like you we have EASY-TO READ VERSION (ERV) and other versions.

Here is how other translations put that verse:

ERV: The advice I have for the others is from me. The Lord did not give us any teaching about this. If you have a wife who is not a believer, you should not divorce her if she will continue to live with you.

EASY: To all you other people, I say this. (This is what I think. The Lord has not spoken about it.) A Christian man may have a wife who does not believe in Christ. If she agrees to continue living with him, then he should not send her away.

EXB: For ·all the others [the rest] I say this (I am saying this, not the Lord [C Jesus gave no instruction on this, but Paul still speaks with authority as an apostle]): If a ·Christian man [L brother] has a wife who is not a believer, and she is ·happy [content; willing] to live with him, he must not ·divorce [or leave] her.

MSG: For the rest of you who are in mixed marriages—Christian married to non-Christian—we have no explicit command from the Master. So this is what you must do.

And many more!

So because you read it from KJV or others that used the phrase "Not the Lord" then Paul is lying or what?

The issue Paul was addressing Jesus Christ never addressed it while on Earth, reason why Paul spoke that way and if Christ was not with what Paul wrote, He will correct him and won't have allowed him to pass such messages to his church.

Either you reject Paul in totality as not an Apostle of Christ with his teachings or you accept him.

Now, let me ask you, the issue that Paul addressed, which Christ never spoke about why on earth, how do you think can be handle by Christian without using Paul writings?

Kobojunkie:
1. No, because not all his statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

Which means you rejected ALL PAUL'S WRITINGS including the ones that is not from him.

Please can you reference ALL THE VERSES where Paul claimed to be A SPIRITUAL FATHER TO SOME?

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth.

But Jesus will know.

So, do you think Jesus will not correct Paul? Since those letters were addressing certain issues in the church.

I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself.

But Jesus was there with Him and as Jesus was the one who sent Paul (I don't know if you agree with this) then I trust my saviour and Lord that He won't have allowed Paul to teach His people errors.

Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well.

Then it seems you don't know the Holy Spirit was there for them and you know more than the Holy Spirit.

To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of his many letters, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

But you didn't struggle and have full understanding more than them.

That's wonderful.

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ.

Jesus Himself didn't teach this.

So where did you get it from?

My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Who made you SERVANT of Jesus Christ?

How do you know about this YOUR MASTER if not from what people pen down?

jesusjnr2020:
What claim? Paul's claim in 1 Corinthians 7:12 already proves me right that not all he said was inspired of God even though your blind sentiments won't allow you see it. If you can't still see it regardless, your problem is with Paul's claim not mine.

So to you to be inspired mean it must be stated as oh God inspired me to say this.

A good student knows that what Paul was addressing in that 1 Corin 7.

These are what came out from that chapter:

1. though I don't know of anything the Lord said about this matter.

2. I instruct married couples to stay together, and this is exactly what the Lord himself taught.

3. I don't know of anything else the Lord said about marriage

Let me stop here!

Now, a good student will know that the speaker is speaking from the knowledge of what he/she knows Jesus taught and doesn't want to lie on what he/she didn't know what Jesus taught.

Moreover, the church Paul was addressing wrote a letter to Paul about certain issues and Paul addressed that as someone Christ entrust his people the same as also with others writings. If Paul writings contain errors:

Why Christ Himself didn't correct him as Paul's writings were addressing certain issues within the church?

Do you think Christ would have allowed Paul to be leading His people with erroneous teachings?

jesusjnr2020:
Oh ye perverse and adulterous generation, how long shall I bear with you?

As long as you're not Jesus Christ.

I'd chosen to ignore you for a while because I didn't want to dignify a hardened stony heart with a response that would end up being wasted.

Excuse has started.

Imagine going through the whole thread I posted here several years ago, and still couldn't find any single glaring error I listed there, so why should I bother trying any further?

I was those period and yes you didn't.

I said there are no errors in Paul's writings.

You're a proof of how spiritually daft and blind most Nairaland christians are.

As enlighten as you are, you have to deactivated your account with a failed challenge against Atheists or you think we don't remember?

I was shocked to see on social media that the same Gospel of Christ i've emphatically preaching here for years which hardly any of you could catch up with, it's also been preached by several others there. Y'all made me feel as though I was special and unique here by your rejection of the Gospel but I realized that I was just a number there.

Storyteller who asked?

The bolded you quoted of my post is proof that your idea I reject all of Paul's teachings because I point out the errors in some of them, is borne out of purely blind sentiments which beclouds your ability to reason judge properly.

No! This shows your hypocrisy.

You challenge that person by saying "Keep quoting PAUL saying" when you also quoted the same Paul. What is that?


That's what I address not whether you choose any portion of Paul's writing that suits your agenda or called the rest errors.

Paul himself could point out the so-called "errors" of other apostles, and you too blind to see that because you think he's above errors himself that others can't point out? That's the real hypocrisy.

I never said Paul is above Error, you're the one who placed yourself as the most SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENED HERE which means you are above everyone.

So, I'm here to tell you that God's word stands firm and no errors in IT.

brown3:
this old man without sense. Obi wouldn't have removed the subsidies on the day of his inauguration, he would have put many things in place before removing it.

The fact is PO can even remove subsidy on the day of his inauguration.

The people who are shouting Obi promised to remove subsidy were laughing at him when PO was busy lecturing Nigerians on how he will govern.

PO raised many questions which would have make subsidy removal very easy.

1. How can Nigeria be consuming more fuel per day than Pakistan? I do tell people that, our daily fuel consumption data is where real fraud is. Yet only PO as a presidential candidate raised that question and used Pakistan as an example. Which means if given the opportunity PO would have first look into our daily consumption and remove every loop holes there.

2. Stealing of Oil: PO is the only candidate who made the point that our oil is being stolen by the very government. So if PO is the president, he will definitely block every loop holes in that respect.

3. The money saved alone with the two steps above is enough to quick start modular refinery within short period. Which is exactly what PO said.

Just like the saying "You can't give what you don't have"

Ask any Baba Tinubu supporter today how did he say he will address the issue of the subsidy?

They can't give any details.

Why do you like boycotting questions?

Kobojunkie:
LOL....Paul stated his opinions without asserting them using the name of God. In many ways, he was careful about not crossing that line.

So, do you agree with Paul where he used the name of God to ascertain his statement?

Christianity asserts, using the name of God, the opinions or should I say their interpretations of the opinions of Paul, an act which is against God — antiChrist.

Give one example!

I have my opinions which I never assert using the name of God or Jesus Christ as well.

That's good of you.

I don't come from the same background as Paul did so definitely we are bound to have different opinions.

I never said you and Paul must have the same opinion, did I?

It doesn't matter these opinions, however, as what matters is that the Truth of God be upheld above our differences and opinions.

Okay, now did Paul uphold any God's truth, do you agree with him and kindly give example of it?

You never addressed my question.

Kobojunkie:
I believe Paul is not to blame for your lot making a god of him to rule over Jesus Christ with.

So to agree with what Paul wrote means people are making a God of him to rule Jesus Christ.

Paul clearly expressed his opinions of things in his letters, much like a person would write comments and express opinions here on Nairaland with.

So the ones he didn't express his opinion, do you agree with him?

The religion of Christianity and its many architects and gods of men took it upon themselves to twist Paul's words using their interpretations as the foundation of their pagan belief which is far removed from Jesus Christ, the one they pretend they believe in.

Action indeed speak louder than words.

So Christianity is actually TWISTING Paul's words.

So, who are those MAKING A GOD of Paul to rule over Christ?

Aemmyjah:
He did not
He was referencing two persons
The Great God and
The Savior, Jesus Christ

The @bold is pure lie.

Paul was talking about ONE PERSON who will return and that person is Our Great God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Which follower of Christ? Your church organizations today were founded on ideas taken and twisted of the words of Paul. Nothing of what this Sulaiman adheres to has anything to do with Jesus Christ who clearly gave no man authority to use His name to change any of His Word which He made clear was Everlasting aka UNCHANGING.

So, what he denounces are the very same doctrines and traditions on which his church is founded upon, not Scripture since Suleman was never a follower of Jesus Christ from His beginning.

Are you then saying that everything Jesus denounced are very things Paul was teaching?

jesusjnr2020:
Keep quoting the saying of Paul not Jesus

See hypocrisy!

Buy you quoted Paul saying in your first post which says "If God be for and with us, who can be against us?" now saying someone is quoting Paul instead of Jesus Christ.

So why are you quoting Paul?

jesusjnr2020:
Christians behaving like the Pharisees about Jesus exposing man-made doctrines and traditions in the church isn't surprising.

I hope they don't end up in hell as a result though as the unrepentant Pharisees because the flesh profits nothing but death.

It's the Spirit that gives life.

That's why we emphasize the preaching of the Gospels of Jesus instead of the Bible.

God bless.

Your entire claim about Paul is false, you can open a thread on this if you're sure of yourself.

jesusjnr2020:
I think I am beginning to like this man.

It takes the height of courage to say what God wants even though all Christians hate you for that.

This is a message we spearheaded in Nairaland that made many NL Christians hate us and call us false teachers.

https://www.nairaland.com/4808209/many-mistakes-apostle-pauls-teachings#72390772

Now some of the preachers they highly esteem are also doing same thing.

First it was Selman who many Christians highly esteem, now it's Suleiman so I wonder whether they will call them fake too.

It's only sheer ignorance and personal sentiments that would make people think that this is an attack on apostle Paul, when they at the same time would turn a blind eye to Paul doing the same thing to apostle Peter.

It takes a true brother to correct the errors of another when they're not able to see or correct it themselves.

Even Paul himself, who also said all scriptures were inspired of God, said some of his teachings were not Inspire of God (1 Corinthians), but unfortunately the blind sentiments of such ones have towards him wouldn't make them to see that.

Apostle Paul is a true apostle of Christ no doubt and is in heaven, (I saw him sat there in a vision myself), so this isn't to attack him or make him false in anyway, but to prove he is human and can also make mistakes.

There is only one perfect who is Jesus, that's why He alone is Master and every else, including Paul, as brethren.

And the final instruction He gave to His church (disciples) before leaving the earth, is to teach all men to keep His Words. Matthew 28:20

The reason He did this is to prevent the errors of others, including His apostles, from being taught as doctrine in His church.

There's no teaching in the Bible of any apostle or prophet of God in the Bible, that has sent many Christians to hell as that of apostle Paul, especially that of grace which clearly goes against the teachings of Jesus.

Hence why it was necessary to address this in the church. Hence why Jesus is sending several of us to correct this error in these last days because He paid dearly for those perishing souls which were being misled as a result.

Unfortunately though we've been saying this for several years but no one seems to believe us, instead we're being hated by Christians for doing what Jesus sent us to do.

However one with God is majority, that's why we're still thriving and being distinguished from the rest regardless of all their hating, because Jesus is with us and still backing us as He said he would to those who obey His commandments to teach all men to keep His sayings. Matthew 28:20

If God be for and with us, who can be against us?

God bless.

I remember throughout your time about the link thread, you couldn't outline your so called Paul's errors and of you people are asked hundred times to list Paul's message that is against that of Christ you won't be able to do so.

And the funny thing is, the same Paul made this statement "If God be for and with us, who can be against us?" which you made here.

ahmedio2017:
Same thing applicable to you, and I won't give you chance, you wanted to talk about the birth of Jesus, that's why I counter you with the creation of ADAM.

You see your life outside.

I don't even have that in mind.

I'm just here to proof to you that Jesus can't be a Muslim as no Muslim will ever called Allah his/her Father as Jesus recorded.

Surely the likeness of Isa (Jesus) in the Providence of Allah is as the likeness of Adam. He Allah) created him of dust, thereafter He said to him, "Be!" so he is (i.e., he was). (Word of God)

This isn't the issue, the issue is Jesus was recorded to have called God(Allah) His Father.

I'm expecting you to proof my wrong that Jesus never called God(Allah) His father. Since you agreed that He actually called God His father means Jesus can't be a Muslim.

QED!

I will stop here my brother, but before I make my submission I will like to give a word of advice, you are not following Jesus Christ PBUH you are Rather worshiping Paul who brought Christianity...... Do enjoy the rest of your day.
PEACE

Keep your advice to yourself.

If you people actually believe that who ever follow the will of God is a Muslim then you know that Paul should be more Muslim than even Muhammad because Paul spoke more about THE WILL OF GOD than Muhammed.

ahmedio2017:
You are a mu.mu

Who is biological father of ADAM?
Who is the biological mother of ADAM?

Smile....

You didn't answer my questions.

You agreed that Jesus called GOD(Allah) His Father. This shows that the God of the Bible has always been A FATHER to His people.

Get that into your dull skull

Now, is Allah a Father to Muslim?

The point is Jesus can't be a Muslim.

I know what you are programmed with is what you want to spew, but I won't give you that chance.

achorladey:
Still chasing shadows with biological father

He didn't even know the pit he is digging for himself

ahmedio2017:
The essential uses of the name of God the Father in the New Testament are Theos (θεός the Greek term for God), Kyrios (i.e. Lord in Greek) and Patēr (πατήρ i.e. Father in Greek).

He was referring to God not biological father

Just see the way you're roping yourself in

Of course everyone knows Jesus never has a BIOLOGICAL FATHER and I'm happy as you recognise Him calling God as not BIOLOGICAL Father but God as His Father

So is Allah not God? Which means Jesus is calling Allah His Father.

Can you as a Muslim call Allah your Father?

ahmedio2017:
I can see you have been programmed, you kept repeating the same thing, I gave you all evidence already keep saying the same thing....

This is the perfect description of you.

Firstly, Jesus Christ PBUH is not a Christian and he knew nothing about Christianity if otherwise prove me wrong.

Me and you never discussed this.

So if you're bringing this up, it should be after we treated the earlier issues.

Secondly, he didn't called himself God neither does he ordered you to believed in trinity if otherwise prove me wrong

The point is, Quran got Trinity wrong.

Whether Jesus taught it isn't an issue here, if you want to raise it as new issue then wait for it later.

Lastly, he believed in oneness of God which make him to be a Muslim, if he's a Christian prove me wrong

Muslim isn't ONENESS OF GOD.

Allah is not a Father, so for Jesus to called God His Father shows He is not a Muslim because no MUSLIM will dare call Allah his/her Father.

This is what I want you to proof wrong.

Whether Muslim can called Allah Father or not.

All your references should be from Bible.....
Stop your baseless argument.....

Definitely, you don't know what you're saying.

I never discussed outside the issues above which is Quran got Christian faith about Trinity wrong and Jesus can't be a Muslim because He believes God is His Father.

So, you can see you're the one behaving like a programmed robot

ahmedio2017:
1, Christianity beliefs Jesus is God, then Mary is mother of God.

And that's not Trinity.

Allah got it wrong.

2. Jesus submitted to the will of God and believed in oneness of God

Muslim literally means submission to the will of God.

And called God His Father which makes Him unable to be called a Muslim.

Islam is not a new religion but the final culmination and fulfillment of the same basic truth that ALLAH (God) revealed through all His prophets to every people.

As there is only ONE GOD, there is only One Religion. Islam is the preserved pure religion of all prophets sent by ALLAH (GOD). Islam means the complete submission and obedience to Allah (God). Therefore, all prophets were indeed MUSLIMS because they were true submitters to the will of ALLAH, the Creator.

"Truly, the religion with Allah (God) is Islam. Those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) did not differ except, out of mutual jealousy, after knowledge had come to them. And whoever disbelieves in the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allah, then surely, Allah is Swift in calling to account." [The Noble Quran 3:19]

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." [The Noble Quran 3:85]

Story story....

Provide where other Muslim called God Father

Or where Christian included Mary as members of Trinity.

ahmedio2017:
You are wrong, Jesus Christ PBUH said I'll send you a comforter, who is that comforter? You are just saying trash did he made mention of holy spirit?

Talking like a programmed robot.

Stay on the lane.

The issues here are:
1. Quran got the Christian faith of Trinity wrong because it's not God, Jesus and Mary.

2. Jesus called God His Father which means Jesus can't be a Muslim.

You haven't provided any evidence to counter these.

ahmedio2017:
Is that what Jesus thought you or Paul? Where did Jesus call himself God the son?

He has started changing mouth.

Meanwhile, I never said GOD THE SON

Trinity is God the Father, The Son(Jesus), and the Holy Spirit.

So Quran is wrong in that aspect.

Are you guys even normal at all? Aren't you using your senses?

Keep using insult to hide your lies.

Who is telling you all this lies self ha ha.

We're talking about Quran lie here.

Did Jesus preaches Trinity?

It's doesn't matter if Jesus preach it or not, what matter most is that Quran got it wrong about Christian belief of Trinity.

If no then why are you referring to him as God? If yes show proof.

Safe your energy first, I know you want to change from the subject matter.

You are the one that's ignorant here.

The ignorant here is you who believe Jesus is a Muslim when you agreed that Jesus called God the Father and trying to defend the lie of Quran about Trinity.