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Michael547:
So is Jesus now equal to the Almighty God?

Jesus is not equal to the Almighty God, He is The Almighty God.

Aemmyjah:
I mentioned several dates
Which secular people think different
Oya
Which ones are wrong

You never mentioned several DATES. Stop lying.

How did you arrive at the date 537BC? is the question you have not answered.

You need to understand that, Christ is the focal point of the Law, the very One who consummates the Law as he brings it to its completion and fulfillment.

That is the reason the scripture says "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:4

Since Christ became End of the Law, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith." Galatians 3:24

In foregoing, you'll see the view of the New Testament writers that the Hebrew Scriptures were deliberately designed by God to foreshadow Christ and his Church. The OT Scriptures contained shadows, types, analogies, and copies of spiritual realities that awaited the coming of Christ. OT peoples, places, events and things were deliberately designed to be copies of a far greater spiritual reality, with Christ manifesting that reality through his fulfillment of it.

This was clearly stated in the scripture "Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

Example of Christ consummation in the Bible is the Sabbath Day. See how NT writer put it in Hebrew 4.

[b]"Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For the Gospel came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest, although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: And God rested on the seventh day from all his works. And again in this passage he said, They shall not enter my rest. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the Gospel failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, Today, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted, Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever HAS ENTERED GOD'S REST has also rested from his works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience." Hebrews 4:1-11[/b]

As you can see, Sabbath Day is a shadow of the reality of Christ coming to give God's people eternal rest.

That's why Christ Himself said, "And he said to them, ‘The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath; so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.’" Mark 2:27-28

Aemmyjah:
Bible chronology
Something you'll likely never be thought cos it's too high for you or your leaders
But not for those that examine the length, breadth, height and width of God's word

And you can't provide this your height, length, breath and width God's Word here.

Why are you afraid to quote God's Word to support your claim?

All your arguments is to deny that the Jews did not actually spend 70 years

Waooo great mind reader.

Well, all what I've asked of you is, where/how did you get your date 537BC?

Since you claim Babylonian historians aren't really reliable with date.

Anyway, I know it's your conscience that is condemning you.

Same chronology helps us see that Jesus was born in BCE. Ask your religious leaders, they'll say something different. Even scholars think it is 4-6BCE
Same chronology helps us see that the year Jesus was baptized and became messiah is 29CE
Same chronology helps us see that from the time of Adam's creation till now is 6050 years
Same way chronology helps us see that the Exodus from Egypt is 1513BCE
Same chronology helps us see that the great flood was in 2370BCE

So to provide how/where you got the date 537BC is what leads to this ranting.

Explaining to an arrogant misinformed fellow like you is like trying to explain rocket science to one arrogant chief in the remotest village in Africa...

So to provide the verse from God's Word on how you got the date 537BC needs science rocket explanation

Just simple question, see how you have been dancing around like a lost goat and shifting blame from Babylon historians unreliable dating to Atheists to God's word. Yet you can't just provide a single evidence to back them up.

Continue...

So Jehovah's Witnesses take everything in the Bible seriously including dating

Then provide the DATE from the Bible.

Why is that difficult for you to do And

Is Bible not a trustworthy and reliable source of information again?

If you're not lying, it shouldn't take this long for you to proof how you got the date 537BC but you know something is fishing then you must jump around like kangaroo until you deviate from the main point.

Aemmyjah:
Bible chronology helps us to know the date of the end of exile. Read Ezra
Why not ask your Pastor? He should know

Can you imagine!

So it's from the book of Ezra you got the date 537BC according to Bible chronology.

So, why can't you present it here?

Why is it so difficult for you people to quote God's Word in support of your claim or is it a lie against GOD and His Word?

This is how your deluded brother dances around when he was asked to present just single verse from the scripture for his claim.

O ma se oooo

Kobojunkie:
If you are of the religion of Christianity you would need to ask your particular god of men for that information as the over 47,000 cults denominations that comprise the religion have different answers for that very question. All of their answers are of course different from that given by Jesus Christ, the one they all pretend to believe in.

And this makes sense to you

SMH....

Aemmyjah:
Atheists are using 587-537 BCE to discredit the Bible as giving false predictions
Babylonian historians are not really reliable with dates.

Show me the Atheists that are using it to discredit God's Word.

If Babylonian historians aren't really reliable with date, where/how did you get the date 537BC?

This is the question you're turning blind eyes to as if you didn't see it.

Forget about the religion, using Bible chronology, the dates show 607 BCE to 537 BCE. You'll rather give atheists an upper hand to discredit Bible than allow Bible speak for itself as long as it is Jehovah's Witnesses that uphold it alone

Leave Atheists out of this, show me how you get the date 537BC.

Why is the truth so hard for you people to present?

kimco:
So if you saw someone walking on water you won't inquire if it real or they are pulling a trick on you? And those who question the legitimacy of what they see are the ones with something wrong with their brain? Imagine that. I have a "miracle" to show you later. But you are right about one thing, even if you say what you saw was real, you need to prove to others that what you saw was real, can you do that? Cos what you saw must also leave evidence to back your claim otherwise you might be hallucinating (happens).Irrefutable evidence is important to the scientific findings. When you see something, clarify it, if you see a thief in your house but no forced entry or stolen goods or footprint, just nothing and you still claim you saw someone in your house, then you need to check yourself.

The thing is, not everything you can explain to people and they will understand.

How can you explain to someone who is not in the engineering field of how billions of Transistor and capacitors can fit into a space of 15mm X 15mm silicon wafer and all these working together perfectly?

And then compare this on how the creator was able to part DNA in a space of 20-30 micrometres of cell.

Aemmyjah:
Ok
Let's that it logically

What's the meaning of this?

How many years did God say his people will spend in exile?

You don't use question to answer question.

If you don't have answer to my question just say it.

Note that Babylonian historians do not agree on the dates of everything

So, where did you get the date 537BC from?

Aemmyjah:
It involved God's people

Nobody disputes this.

The exile must have a starting date and ending year right?

Definitely, so which one is starting date and the ending year?

According to Bible chronology and the book of Ezra, when were the Jews released?

You should provide it here!

Go amd get your materials nd do the calculation

I did and it came out as 587BC which is also supported by archeologist findings and historical documents.

So back to my question, does 537BC come from God or mention in God's Word?

Or let me put it this way, how do you arrive at 537BC?

Aemmyjah:
Even if 70 years taken away from 537 BCE will lead to 607 BCE. 70 years of exile as God said. This mad apostates claiming to be Christians will rather fight those defending the Bible out of envy and hate.

How many years did God say his people will be in exile? 587 - 537 BCE (50 years) or 607 - 537 BCE (70 years).
They'll rather make the Bible look inaccurate
No peace for the apostates wicked
😂

You people have been hammering on 70 years and 537BC

So, does this 537BC come from God or mention in God's Word?

Courz:
You use the same Bible Scholars and their information to do calculation to suit yourself at a certain point then you decided to do your own calculation from that point to arrive at 607 and then say the source you used is unreliable. All because you are desperate to make 607 and 1914 correct by all means necessary. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Can you see the mago mago? The American wonder they performed here. Chai! It is good to be educated. No wonder they don't want JWs to go to University.

That is why I keep asking JaNosense to provide the SECULAR HISTORIANS since he agreed that secular historians were truthful about the date.

One can easily spot their fraud even in their calculation of 3 1/2years to arrive at 2520 years.

How can 2520days suddenly changed to 2520years?

No where God ever said 1day will automatically become 1year. They just took Bible verse out of context to get their dubious calculation.

The quote on Watchtower 2011 says it all. Only untruthful person will read the above quote from Watchtower 2011 and still support them.

Courz:
See the Fraud Watchtower did in broad daylight to arrive at 607 Bce. They desperately need this date to be correct. So, they did some mago mago in the calculation of the dates. Now see where it gets interesting. The Same Watchtower depended on the secular sources and tablets to arrive at the date when Babylon fell but at the same time made the claims that these secular sources are not reliable. It is just like a person using a method to create something but at the same time the person is claiming that this method is not reliable. So, the question is, if these secular sources and tablets are not reliable, why are you using them in the first place to arrive at a date? After arriving at a date, you now formed your own calculation that involves adding more years to the reign of Kings at that time. You see the wayo they did just so that the dating can stretch to fit 607 Bce?

The funny thing is, these are secular historians of which even Watchtower will claim they are bias, these people just did their jobs and established fact.

Even Judaism doesn't bother themselves with the date of Jerusalem destruction neither Christianity but only Watchtower is trying to spin the historical fact and make use of this delusion and their members swallowed it.

That's why you won't see them providing a single link or video that supported their claim rather than telling you to google it.

And no matter how you search Google you won't come across a single reputable source supporting 607BC as the year Jerusalem was destroyed apart from Watchtower website and few JWs who also repeating the lies on their website.

Janosky:
Did secular history prove that king Cyrus of Persia released the Jewish captives in Babylon (captive for 70 years) to return to Jerusalem in 537 BCE & rebuild the temple to fulfil 2 chronicles 36:2023 & Ezra 1:1-4?

Provide the secular history here.

Why are you afraid of the truth?

The years of BCE was counted backwards. When you add 70 years Jewish captivity to year 537 BCE , what do you get?

When did secular history say the Counting of the year 70Years started from?

This are the fact you need to provide from the so called secular history.

MUMU WAILER DECEIVING HIMSELF

Oga, carry your IBERIBEISM & STUPIDITY out of this forum.[/b]

Never make any sense in his life, JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil.

Janosky:
Let the screenshots evidences EXPOSE THE FRAUD of PROPHECIES PRACTICED BY CHRISTENDOM which the OP ,Mr Sand2022 supports.

Oga Sand2022, your flawed adventure to discredit JWs can not prevail.

The testimony of this man is so heartwarming, what a wicked world we live.

But hard it been this is about Watchtower, JaNosense will you have agreed with him or defend Watchtower?

Courz:
Mumu Janosky with your maggot infested brain, where is your evidence to prove 607 Bce? Where are the Scholars that back up 607 Bce? Where are the archeologists to confirm 607 Bce? Where are the Cuneiform tablets found by Archeologists that prove that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607bce? You can't be jumping up and down this thread like a little boy ranting like an Idiot! Where are your evidence? Surely there must be proof to confirm 607 right? Oya show us! We have shown our own. Any intelligent person will take us seriously because we have shown all proof in this thread. But an uneducated fool will take you JWs seriously. Watchtower knows 607 is a scam. That's why they are forcing you JWs to accept it or else you are called Apostates. They know the fraud they made with 607 and 1914. Once these doctrines get New Light, it means they were never selected in 1919. The original inventors of 1914 that you JWs copied from have discarded the doctrine because they know it is False! When will you people discard it?

They are the one who will make dubious claims they will be the same people telling you to look for the evidence that support their claims. Very pathetic set of people!

Since Oga intelligent officer was exposed of those videos, you notice he couldn't talk again about the fraud of 607BC, he was so happy seeing @mightysparrow changing the subject matter with him

MaxInDHouse:
Since i've noticed how Emusan always avoid the things that points to JWs as having truth i have decided not to respond to his post.
We are not sent to entertain arguments rather we were sent to search for the lost sheep of the house of Israel!

Lying liar JWs hallgoer miscreant.

@Color - was it the two videos you posted which none of it supported your claim and one is from exjws is the truth Emusan is avoiding about JWs having?

Since you were exposed of the lies in the videos you went into ghost mode and were so happy when the thread was derailed only to craw out of your shell hole and claim you stop responding to me when you still reply to my post yesterday.

Shameless hallgoer miscreant.

Well, the historical and archeological fact is that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607BC.

If you have your evidence, provide it.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING MUMU WAILER

You no get Google and other search engines for your phones & laptop?
Oga, stop proven your stupidity on this forum..

Ozuo muasan.

In other words, you can't provide the YEAR King Cyrus gave the Jews to return

Always making claims without evidence to back it up

I've provided enough evidence on this thread

Why can't you provide your own evidence of the YEAR?

That shows you know you're lying.

JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil

Janosky:
MUMU WAILER DECEIVING HIMSELF
Is 2 chronicles 36:20:23 and Ezra 2:1-4 in your own Bible?
Which year did King Cyrus give a decree for the Jews to return from captivity and rebuild Jerusalem?

It was your deluded brother who first claimed that God gave the Jews a specific date and now you made a similar claim.

So can you provide the evidence that shows the YEAR King Cyrus gave a decree for Jews return?

Counting back from that year (confirmed by history) & 70 years in your own Bible) gives you what year?

Courz Oteneaaron OZUO pro max.

Which YEAR was CONFIRMED BY HISTORY?

Who is/are the historian(s) that confirmed the year

Lying liar JWs JaNosense

MaxInDHouse:
Hen!

Chicken ni

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah!

It must be Okay!

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmm this is thought provoking!

If the one and only true God was the one with Israel how will the nations fighting against them know the secret behind their wandering in the wilderness?

Thought provoking yet you couldn't address it but only to turn it around and asked a meaningless question

pquaver:
Exactly why the governors need to answer what the they did with the allocations the they received..

Allocation doesn't put Governors as the person in charge of monetary policy of Nigeria.

So I don't see your point here.

Some hide it in Panama yax haven and go about claiming saint and messiah

At least the ones who didn't hide it in Panama yax haven, should have affect on Nigeria economy.

So I don't see your point for the reason Governors should be held responsible for the economy woe in federalism system of government.

And criticising other for something he did worse and would be worse if he won..

Who is this for?

Starz825:
So how many people's support??

Does the sitting president needs the support of over 200million people before he could convince the INEC chairman to work in his favour......

Abeg stop blaming Nigerians ....

All the INEC chairman needs it to see number of people supporting the sitting president.

If nobody is supporting him, INEC chairman can't do anything.

Corruption has gotten to a point Where our votes doesn't count anymore...

I didn't disagree with with.

Only Nigerians can take back their country from these thieves parading as democrats...

No politician...I repeat No politician can save this country...they are all corrupt and clueless...

The constitutional laws used in governing Nigeria is full of corruption...it has to be changed and overhauled from the anti-people undertones to a democratic-laden one that will involve and consider every Nigerian regardless of tribe, age , status, pockets...

Well you raised some silent points

Courz:
Exactly. That's the danger they are in. They are True believers in Delusions. Fantasies. Non Biblical imaginations. Not even one of them can provide evidence for 607 Bce even though they have been shown that is a Lie from the pit of hell.

As it can be deduced from JaNosense post above:

They know what history and historians say about 607BC.

They know about archeological evidence about the date 587BC.

They know no scholars agree with the date of 607BC

But they must BELIEVE whatever Watchtower says to deceive them.

MaxInDHouse:
You keep proving that you're faithless!

Imagine you're a Canaanite during the time Israelites were wandering in the wilderness for forty years a journey that supposed to take them forty days. Would you have believed that it was the Almighty God that's with them?

Your faithlessness is the only thing that will lead you to destruction now because i'm sure this is clear to you!

This is funny and shows the shallowness of the scripture.

Well, let's go with your line of Israelites wondering in the wildness for forty years instead of forty days and God was still with them.

But remember the reason forty days became forty years was the punishment for their disobedience.

Now, has Jehovah ever punished Watchtower for any of their disobedience/lie/false doctrine/wrong teaching before?

This manipulative line is stale already.

Provide the scholars that agree with your year 607BC.

Janosky:
The Bible clearly states that there was an exile of 70 years. There is strong evidence​—and most scholars agree—​that the Jewish exiles were back in their homeland by 537 B.C.E. Counting back from that year would place Jerusalem’s destruction in 607 B.C.E.

You said there is strong evidence and MOST scholars agree on 537BC which you don't have problem with.

So, what did the scholars say about 70years of exiled?

Since it was a strong EVIDENCE and MOST SCHOLARS AGREE..

Though the classical historians and the canon of Ptolemy disagree with this date, valid questions can be raised about the accuracy of their writings.

This is the line Watchtower deceived you with.

Sorry, you can't rewrite history just because of your dubious and fraud doctrine.

Really, those two lines of evidence hardly provide enough proof to overturn the Bible’s chronology.

You called something LINE OF EVIDENCE yet you believe it can't overturn biblical chronology.

Why called it EVIDENCE?

Very dull JaNosense

The fact is, no single EVIDENCE that support 607BC as the year Jerusalem was destroyed.

Provide the archeological and historical evidence here.

pquaver:
Fixedt @ the bolded

Who fixed it?

What is this nonsense of shifting blame on the Governors and not the head?

Are the Governors in charge of Nigeria economy?

Have you forgotten that Nigeria is practicing federalism system of government?

Starz825:
When will you guys understand that there is no credible election in Nigeria hence should not blame any Nigerian for anything...

Most of these guys bought their way up...we all witnessed how the last election went..say na the highest bidder win

So you all should rest on all these election have consequences shit wey he na dey always yarn for here

When will you guys understand that without people's support no politicians can buy their way up?

Paraman:
The price should fall when the PH and Dangote refinery start selling

Are you the owners of those refineries?

blacknp:
Man do you, i do me, be waiting for President in Abuja like your Almijiri brethren in Birin Kebbi, & Gombe to come & help you arrange your existence like he has been doing.

I wonder why the top economists are given Elder Tinubu TO-DO-LIST about the hunger in the land and not just focus on Bornu governor or Abia Governor.

Discussing critical point of government with you is a waste of precious time.

blacknp:
Speak for yourself, what concerns me with the President in Abuja, The Governor of my state of residence & Local Government is more important to me, than any figure head of Almijiris in Abuja.

That's my point exactly.

If an adult in 21 century don't know the important of a President in a federalism system of government.

So, it's your state Governor that is charge of monetary policies that drive Nigeria economy.

It's your state Governor that has power over Nigeria borders and ports.

It's your state Governor that is in charge of security architecture of the country.

It's your State Governor you will hold accountable for all the Ministries in the country (only if you know the roles of a ministry).

It's your state Governor you will hold accountable for the foreign affairs relationship

Meh people like should not come online to discuss things that pertinent to government and politics.