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Westerhoffe:
“The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
— Proverbs 8:22 (KJV)

This didn't say, "The LORD created me…" this is why we'll always never agree.

Below is the meaning of "possess"

possess
uk /pəˈzes/ us /pəˈzes/

Verb
possess (third-person singular simple present possesses, present participle possessing, simple past and past participle possessed)

(transitive)
To have (something) as, or as if as, an owner; to have, to own.
Synonym: inhold

Of an idea, thought, etc.: to dominate (someone's mind); to strongly influence.
Of a supernatural entity, especially one regarded as evil: to take control of (an animal or person's body or mind).

(also reflexive, chiefly literary and poetic) Of a person: to control or dominate (oneself or someone, or one's own or someone's heart, mind, etc.).
To dominate (a person)
(archaic)

To cause an idea, thought, etc., to strongly affect or influence (someone); to inspire, to preoccupy.

To occupy the attention or time of (someone).
(also literary) To obtain or seize (something); to gain, to win.
(also reflexive) Chiefly followed by of or with: to vest ownership of something in (oneself or someone); to bestow upon, to endow.

Synonym: seise

Antonyms: dispossess, unpossess
(law) To have control or possession of, but not to own (a chattel or an interest in land).
(obsolete)
To give (someone) information or knowledge; to acquaint, to inform.
To have the ability to use, or knowledge of (a language, a skill, etc.)
To inhabit or occupy (a place).
Chiefly followed by that: to convince or persuade (someone).
(intransitive)
To inhabit or occupy a place.
Conjugation

How does this rhyme with your explanation of JESUS CHRIST being created?

And the above does not relate to being "produced".

Don't fall for that Prov 8:22

Firstly, watchtower has claimed that verse is personification of WISDOM and not actually Christ.

Secondly, go further in that Prov 8 and see where the speaker speaks about God Himself was carrying out the act of creation by Himself without anybody doing. So, if the claim, God used Christ to create OTHER (the word never found in any Greek manuscript) things. Then why is Prov 8 describing God as the very one carrying out the works? You'll see how their mouth will change.

Lastly, Prov 8:15 says "By my power kings govern, and rulers make laws that are fair." do you agree with this? You'll see them blabbing because God says elsewhere in the scriptures these are the things do by Him.

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the father of all inventors on planet earth?
If it's Adam then Adam invented everything we are seeing today apart from natural things.

See reasoning

That means Adam invented Watchtower

You will see changing mouth now

Jesus was created by God that's what makes him the firstborn of all creations.

But ALL THINGS were created by Him(Jesus) and without Him(Jesus) NOT EVEN ONE thing was made

He(Jesus) was BEFORE all things.

FIRSTBORN = Supremacy

Jesus is supreme OVER ALL CREATION.

Reason your meaning of 'FIRSTBORN' always change when you apply it to "...FIRSTBORN from the dead"

But if you use the actual meaning of the term 'FIRSTBORN' you'll see how it perfectly fits in.

"Supreme over those who rise from dead"

He can't be exempted from those being born!

You mean the rest of human and angel were also BORN

FRANCISTOWN:
There are visual proofs

And in one bit you suddenly changed mouth.

You're not consistent!

FRANCISTOWN:
When it's not as if I'm stupid. Should I believe more than 6000 different stories of how humans came to be?
It's only sensible for me to believe the one I and everyone have seen. Reproduction

That means HUMAN CAME TO BE THROUGH REPRODUCTION.

Have you seen any other way aside reproduction?

No! Which means that is how it have been from beginning.

What's yours?

Reproduction!

I need to be there for me to be sure.

Were you there when the galaxy formed before you know there is galaxy?

Ehn ehn, like what?

Like how many planets in our solar system.

FRANCISTOWN:
Yes of course. I don't have any say

Good.

Then you shouldn't question any probable WAY your ancestors might have come from.

and you don't have any say either. We both were not there.

Why did you conclude on my behalf?

Did I tell you I don't know mine?

Sorry you don't need to be there before you know.

There are many things you know today and you were not there. You just AGREE!

FRANCISTOWN:
I wasn't there in the begining. There could have been a different way which coulda gone into extinction, I don't know.

Smile.....

Now that you don't know and MANY DIFFERENT WAYS COULD HAVE GONE INTO EXTINCTION, it means you don't have any say about what happened in the beginning.

FRANCISTOWN:
Their individual parents

This is what I want us to establish.

Which means individual parents (two pairs) have been responsible for their offsprings from the beginning.

Do you agree?

FRANCISTOWN:
Their individual parents

That's nice!

And their individual parents came from?

GOFRONT:
Bros there is no God anywhere to begin with..

Which evidence do you have for this claim?

FRANCISTOWN:
Did you come from monkeys?
I came from my parents

And your parents came from?

Zaheertyler:
Lol... the universe is just to precise to have been formed on it's own

Can you explain how it formed on it's own?

Aemmyjah:
My son
I spent 19 years of my life in Yoruba land
De cap nonsense

Good for you!

Now answer my question

Aemmyjah:
Ní ìbẹ̀rẹ̀, Ọ̀rọ̀ náà owà, Ọ̀rọ̀ náà sì wà pẹ̀lú Ọlọ́run, Ọ̀rọ̀ náà sì jẹ́ ọlọ́run kan.

What is the problem my son?

The problem is you don't understand the Language you are presenting here you're just doing copy and paste.

So only a deluded person will be ranting in a language he/she doesn't understand and be thinking he is making sense

Aemmyjah:
Oga
I don show you verse

That says?

I am not Yoruba

What is the essence of quoting Yoruba version for me then?

Then do you agree with that Yoruba version of John 1:1?

I discern you are and since English was too high for you, I gave you the translation

You copy and paste something online without even understand the language and you're running your mouth like tap to say English is tough for me when you can't even make coherent sentence in English

Aemmyjah:
Jesus is firstborn from who? Himself or someone else

You haven't answered my question.

He didn't expect that Yoruba version of John 1:1 hypocrite

Aemmyjah:
Who is firstborn
Jesus or the Father?
Oh
You believe both are equal and or the same
Eeyah

See how he switched gear

He now ran away from his Yoruba version when he got exposed

Tell me how your meaning of FIRSTBORN changed when you applied it in Col 1:18?

Aemmyjah:
Has Yoruba failed you too?

You should agree with this Yoruba too, if you're not an hypocrite!

Ní àtètèkọ́ṣe ni Ọ̀rọ̀ wà, Ọ̀rọ̀ sì wà pẹ̀lú Ọlọ́run, Ọlọ́run sì ni Ọ̀rọ̀ náà. John 1:1

Why causing distraction?

Focus on where we are.

Why the meaning of your FIRSTBORN change when applied to Col 1:18?

This is where we are.

Aemmyjah:
"Kọ̀wé sí áńgẹ́lì ìjọ ní Laodíkíà pé: Àwọn ohun tí Àmín sọ nìyí, ẹlẹ́rìí olóòótọ́ tó sì ṣeé gbára lé, ìbẹ̀rẹ̀ àwọn ohun tí Ọlọ́run dá:"


Sometimes, it's vital to read in the language the person understands to help him see the meaning
Since English is too much for you, lemme be empathetic
Yet, you say I take you back?

And your point is?

Aemmyjah:
COLOSSIANS 1:15 (YORUBA)
Òun ni àwòrán Ọlọ́run tí a kò lè rí, AKOBI nínú gbogbo ẹ̀dá;

Is that twisted too? What is Akobi?

Stop taking us back.

I've past this stage.

Akobi = Firstborn NOT BORN

You can see how restless you are

Aemmyjah:
If firstborn is a big word
What are the smaller words that it was coined from? And how does it change meaning?
Goalkeeper - goal and keeper
Central midfielder - centre and midfield

Emusan- Emu (very ugly, flightless bird) san - Storage Area network (similar to memory or brain)...
Emusan = birdbrain (check birdbrain in dictionary)... Very fitting

So far so good the word used was FIRSTBORN not BORN as you shameless people want to twist it.

Aemmyjah:
Solid food are not given to the infants
Pearls are not given to the swine

So to quote where 537BC and 607BC were written in the scripture has become solid food and pearls

I asked you to read John 3:16
Read it ten times
You'll see the dates
😂

Irrelevant as usual

Aemmyjah:
Hehehe
Firstborn is coined from 2 words - first and born according to English

Many big words were coined from smaller words and immediately their meanings change.

So what is your point?

Just as we have lastborn and secondborn... Sometimes, you need to clean your sense to make sense from common sense

Irrelevant as usual.

Aemmyjah:
Lol
Bible is also a book of history mentioning the names of kings and when they became king and how many years they ruled

So you got the date 537BC from the Bible, right?

You're just restless

You must be in my shoe to have known that.

[s]We are not people who go to somewhere simply to shout 'Amen, I receive it'.[/s]

Irrelevant.

Deep study of Nehemiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Chronicles, Ezra, Kings helps us determine when Jerusalem was destroyed and when the exiles returned home.
Keep tackling Bible

Just show me where 537BC or 607BC can be found in Nehemiah, Daniel, Jeremiah, Chronicle, Ezra, & Kings.

So you know this but can't provide the verse where 537 or 607BC appeared

Janosky:
Emusan dim wit
Trinity robbed the sense God gave you.

JaNosense have you picked it up?

Aemmyjah:
Every born is a creature. Yes or No?
He hit you by surprise and see your response

And the verse didn't use BORN but FIRSTBORN

For you people to be separating the word used shows you people have agenda.

Aemmyjah:
I agree with there the Bible, the Bible leads me to. Is that a problem to you?

I don't have problem with that but provide the date from the Bible.

How is that difficult to you?

False believer, lookin for historians to validate your own faith

Shameless believer, who used historians to validate his own faith of 537BC.

Courz:
Fornicator Aemmyjah, where is your evidence? See evidence boku o. Where is your own? Fake Biologist.

There is no evidence for 697BC that's why you see them preambulating like lost goat.

If there is, they'd have provided it since.

Janosky:
Yes .
Reuben the FIRSTBORN of Jacob was SUPERIOR to his siblings, Gen 49:3.
Jesus Christ is the FIRSTBORN of God (Hebrew 1:5) is SUPERIOR to other ministering spirits.

The term "FIRSTBORN" means the same thing in the whole Bible, every FIRSTBORN is a creature.

The word "BORN" can NOT be TWISTED by Trinitarians desperate to hold tight to their man made fallacy.
Every BORN being is a creature.
Shikena

When you pick your brain from your hall let me know but for now you don't make any sense JaNosense

MaxInDHouse:
The beginning means when creation started it includes Jesus and all other beings apart from the Almighty God that's why the phrase "in the beginning" has to do with all creatures including the first creature or firstborn of all creations: Jesus! Colossians 1:15

But the Father is called THE BEGINNING

Are you insinuating that the Father is also part of Creation? since you said THE BEGINNING means WHEN CREATION STARTED.

Michael547:
col 1:18 says that Jesus was the FIRSTBORN from the dead, meaning that he was the first one to be raised from the dead.

See your life outside.

So FIRSTBORN just means FIRST not FIRST TO BE CREATED

If FIRSTBORN from the dead means FIRST to be raised then that's not the meaning of "FIRSTBORN"

Now Your CEV Translation says that Jesus was not only the superior but also the firstborn son in respect to all creation. So how do you want to argue that Jesus was not the first person to be created?
Now can we also apply the word FIRSTBORN SON Or FIRSTBORN from the dead, in Col 1:18 and Col 1:15 to The God that Jesus was with in John 1:1,2?

The term FIRSTBORN means SUPERIORITY that's how it's being used even in our today's world. CEV used that perfectly.

Additionally, Col 1:18 also dash your previous argument that Jesus was NOT BEFORE THE BEGINNING.

Firstly, it says Jesus is "BEFORE ALL THINGS"
Lastly, it says Jesus "IS THE BEGINNING"

Aemmyjah:
If sticking to the Bible that the Jews spent 70 years leading to 607 BCE as the start date is a problem to you, let it be your own migraine. OK?
Nothing you can teach us

Well, we can see the problem is actually with you.

Just provide the secular historians who ALL AGREED with ESTABLISHED FACT that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BC.

Why is that so hard for you?

Hypocrite!!!

Michael547:
Oga stop twisting scriptures. Why did you not use the earlier translations i gave you to explain?

The other translation used the translation of the Greek word that appear in that verse not the meaning

The Greek word is 'Prototokos'

You see the reason why you need to enroll for elementary school.

You went to bring scriptures that omitted firstborn.

O ma se oooo

Can we also say that The Almighty God who Jesus was with in John 1:1,2 is also a firstborn?

Where is the answer to my question?