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Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 6:11am On Oct 11, 2008
I use Strong reciever SRT 4652, but I tried both 6969 and 8282 to unscramble e.tv, but nothing is happening here, Then I got curious if the reciever needs to be patched, if that's needed, where do I get the patch software?

I will appreciate any help here,, Oga Moderator and others whe sabi pass me, I beg oo, if you can upload the patching software, I go appreciate ooo, Thanks.
@ Pablo(A)

If you know anyone with the same receiver whose receiver is already patched, you can just do a data/software transfer to your receiver; I understand that some receiver sellers can do this for you.

Also, a number of links have already been given on this thread of sites to download Strong patches. If you type in 'Strong patch' or 'Strong patch link' into the search engine at the bottom of each page on this thread it will bring up the links including This Link and also This Other Link.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 5:39am On Oct 11, 2008
Enitan

Reserve the Jack/positioner for me; I will arrange how you get paid and collection. I will probably continue on the issue from here by email.

By the way, nice pictures; I will study them more carefully later although like F_Marshall, I also recommend better quality cables.


@ olofofo

Nice pictures too; but one problem immediately stare at me! You need to find a way to insulate your F-connectors otherwise you risk water ingress/damage which may result in loss of signal or, in a worse instance, damage to your equipment.


@ twinstaiye

Congrats and many happy returns smiley
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 9:21pm On Oct 07, 2008
olofofo:
the proof of the theory is on page 112 of the new edition of the tele satellite and broadband magazine.

according to them it was a known fact as far back as 20 years ago!

here's the link http://magazine.tele-satellite.com/TELE-satellite-0811-eng.pdf

i do hope there's someone in the house that can read some german for US! grin
olofofo:
I forgot to add that this should hopefully put the matter to rest, so Please go for more 2.4 dishes in lagos ooo, so that one day we can at least use 1.8 motorized to receive nilesat.
Naah, you are still mixing issues up. They are talking about linking satellite dishes (multiple dishes in that sense) to increase gain. This is well known and we have been discussing this on a UK forum for the last month. It is a different thing to the theory that has been claimed here; and even, that is not easy and is not something for the everyday hobbyist.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 8:56pm On Oct 07, 2008
Gangsta101:
Enigma

have been searching for weeks but can't find any site with the live jsc sports keys. i have opened lots of softcams but no luck. that is why i was really interested in Olofofo's discovery. but if u know where i can get an active key, please fill me in.
just checked out the beams. i guess that explains a lot. but still puzzled how obnelly can get it with his 2.4m dish in the south. but maybe ur explanation is the best, but i will still continue my research though. another thing, it seems we in Nigeria are closer to the beam than u guys in the UK
yes, Naija is closer to Nilesat footprint than UK.

In fact let me give you guys a little low-down. It is suspected by many that the Nilesat official footprints are known not to be wholly accurate. Theoretically, we in the UK (and I think people outside Middle East & North Africa) are not supposed to be able to receive Nilesat at all. This is the politico-economics: Nilesat has a lot of American programmes. The Rights-owners of those programmes give the Nilesat channels the rights to transmit those programmes to the Middle East only --- because of course they want to sell to DSTV etc for the rest of Africa and to others e.g. Sky for Europe. (You can compare it with the problem of DSTV versus HiTV for EPL in Naija).

Therefore the Nilesat operators have to convince the Rights-owners that Nilesat can only be received in the Middle East --- and this would appear to be confirmed by the footprints. But, it is well known that despite that official footprint, it can still be received outside the Middle East with the right sized dish.

Anyway, enough of that ,



As for JSC DCW keys, the main site that I would recommend is currently down but you can get the latest keys on the second post in the link below.

_http://www.satmoz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35157
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 8:45pm On Oct 07, 2008
biggjoe:
@Enigma,
I have learnt never to say never. However, I have found it very difficult to believe that a geosynchronous satellite will adjust its beam because downlink stations have increased.

Now,
Before the debate is thrown out of context, let me point out again that what Badaru was said to have suggested was that multiple dishes pointing to a particular satellite will increase the signal beamed to a particular area and NOT that pointing many dishes at a satellite will increase the signal coming [/b]from the satellite. I did it a course in the uni. on satellite transmission and in fact on all microwave frequencies.

I will find it much easier to believe that the signal strength might increase because of high demand from down link stations. The satellite makers can make provisions for that; and not that the signal that has been naturally weak at a particular area (because the area is off the footprint) will increase.

However, with all my assumptions, I cannot say its impossible. Oyibo is always redefining that word, impossible.
Yeah biggjoe I get your point

1. If the claim is that more dishes pointing at a satellite can somehow scientifically increase the signal strength coming from a satellite, then the answer remains [b]no
.

As I understand it, this is the claim that is being made repeatedly by a few people; this claim I continue to disagree with. If this is not the claim being made, I will be glad to see a modification and I will respond as appropriate


2. If the claim is that from an economic perspective, the more dishes pointing to a satellite can mean that the owners/operators of/on the satellite find it worthwhile to point their satellite beam(s) in the concerned direction, then this is a point that I myself have made several times on this thread and on other FTA threads here.

But from my understanding, no. 2 above is not what is being claimed; my understanding is that the claim is for number 1.

Even if the claim is for number 2, Nilesat owners/operators have not consciously increased signal/beam to Nigeria. Look, even on both 36e and 68.5e where you have operators doing business in Nigeria only limited or spot beams can be received in Nigeria. Or does anyone think that only the DSTV/HiTV bouquets are on 36e or only MyTV on 68.5e?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 7:55pm On Oct 07, 2008
olofofo:
@all

turn out Badaru's theory of "M[b]ultiple Dishes Pointing to Same Satellite for Higher Gain[/b]" is actually correct. someone should give him a national award.
Naah, pointing many dishes at a satellite does not increase the signal coming from the satellite!

As biggjoe asked, how did you prove the theory?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 6:12pm On Oct 07, 2008
what still puzzles me though is that we receive atl bird 4 well enough because the strongest freq on the entire nilesat setup is 10758, and it is on atl brd 4, but another thing is even though that is the signal we use for tracking initially because it is the highest, we then have to tilt the dish slightly away from that position to get the other 2 birds, this causes a slight reduction from the signal quality from atl bird 4, so even though we get the strongest TP, we might not necessarily get the others, maybe tilting the dish to the best position for atl bird 4 might bring in mbc persia, but that will then raise the question on whether it is worth to forsake all the other beautiful tps just for mbc persia, but like u said, we have to explore, just got ur mail, i'll call u now.
Yeah Gangsta

Go to the page for AB 4 on Lyngsat and you will see that it has two beams. 10758 is on the ME beam whereas both Press TV and MBC Persia are on the Wide beam. Click on each beam and see how far each beam extends to Northern Nigeria and compare.

The only other thing is why is toxnaija able to receive it? First, the size of his dish; second, it is possible that certain parts of Western Naija enjoy positive prorogation of the AB4 Wide beam signals.

In fact, these considerations show why it is simply false to assume that the number of dishes pointing at a particular satellite can increase its signal strength. It is simply not scientifically possible. Related story: one time, a neigbour of mine here thought my 90cm dish with several LNBs was the reason why her DTT TV was not working well; I explained to her it was not scientifically possible; she remained adamant until I looked at her set-up only to find that her scart plugs were not connected properly; once, I fixed that she had perfect signals and apologised profusely.

jujukemist:
coolEnigma your response made me paid a closer look at lyngsat. indeed persia and press are on bird4. Thanks for opening that angle to me. Now my asumptions are; I thot the 3birds are at the same location? if bird4 beam is not as strong as 101 and 102 them would not a bigger 3m dish in south west Nigeria gather more of the weak beam, than a 1-8m dish that gathers less the weak beam.
my mind seems to be telling me that lnb is not the issue but dish size,though i might be forced to tinker with my setup?
I also noted that Atlantic bird4 is at 7.2W not 7W
A bigger dish is always going to be better at receiving signals from a satellite for someone outside the footprint or in a fringe reception area.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Free to Air codes by Enigma(m): 2:19pm On Oct 07, 2008
Enitan

The link below has software for some Eurostar receivers; check if yours is listed or do a search on the Net to see which matches your own receiver.

_http://www.dragon-data.com/

cool
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Free to Air codes by Enigma(m): 1:57pm On Oct 07, 2008
No no no; I am not saying you should delete the ff Index or ID.

The slot that you posted i.e. Premiere is the slot for only one Provider which is Premiere. If you scroll through there will be slots for other Providers.

When scrolling through, you might come across a slot with Irdeto 0604 or 060400 or 060401; those should be for Showtime/ART/Phela.

Actually, your easiest option is to search for the latest patch and softcam for the receiver and load those. Then, you can look through what you have loaded and see how they have structured the keys.

Alternatively, when you get the softcam, first of all open it with Notepad and see how the keys are structured.


Another alternative is to scroll through all the Irdeto slots on the Keys menu and try to identify the Showtime/Art/Phela slots i.e. 0604 etc that I listed above. In fact, you can change a redundant slot and use it for Showtime or ART. Read carefully once again posts number 35 to 41 and also numbers 13-15 on this thread.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Free to Air codes by Enigma(m): 9:01am On Oct 07, 2008
enitan2002:
@ Enigma,
i will really appreciate your help concerning how to input codes inside a Eurostar ES-1 decoder.
The decoder only has 16 characters, i.e two characters in 8 rolls, so how can i input codes that are of 32 characters long.
Your quick response, will highly be appreciated.
Thanks so much.
If the keys page that you posted on the other thread is from the Eurosat, then the answer to your question is simple.

First of all some obvious things: the keys have to be for a channel that can be received in Nigeria. For example, in the photo, the keys were for Premiere - which cannot generally be received in Naija.

So first the channel has to be received in Naija; then the Provider is stated. For example: Nilesat 7w (i.e. the satellite), Showtime (i.e. the provider). You need to know where the relevant Provider's slot is on your receiver's key menu/slots.

Then when you get the keys, pay attention to all the details. For example each set of keys (whether 16 or 32 long) is usually given an identification e.g. Key 01. So you have Key 01 xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx xx. This key 01 which has 32 characters will likely occupy two lines (each allowing 16 characters) on the correct Provider key slot. What you have to do is identify which slots on your receiver are identified with Key 01.

For example in the photo on the other thread with the Premiere slots: the first two slots under ID are 00 and 02; it is very likely that those 00 and 02 together make up Key 01. So what you do is put the first 16 characters of the keys in the line of 00 and the second 16 characters in the line of 02. That way you have entered Key 01.

You should also read all the exchanges between Gangsta and myself on this thread, particularly posts number 35-41.

If you have any more questions, certainly ask again.

cool
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 8:39am On Oct 07, 2008
enitan2002:
@ enigma,
thanks for giving me a reply based on keys input on my decoder, the thing there is that it wont make any difference if i use a blank one or not, the major problem i'm facing is that it has only 16keys and not 32keys space as that of strong, how can i convert the 32bits to 16bits, thats the point am driving to.
Enitan

No, I was not trying to answer your query in that post. I was warning about posting a picture on the forum that contains actual keys; it is the same as actually posting keys and it should not be done. I meant, therefore, that next time you post a picture of your keys menu make sure there are no actual keys in the slot that you photo and post.

Edited You can and should actually leave the 'Index' and the 'ID' so we can see; it is the actual keys that should not be posted.

I will go and answer your question on the other thread.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 9:30pm On Oct 06, 2008
[quote author=F_Marshal link=topic=7715.msg2902410#msg2902410 date=1223314207]Here in the US, the gist is most receivers are always up with IKS. For instance, nfusion, KBoX and Captain are always up whenever an Electronic Counter Measure (ECM) is introduced into the steam by the Providers. This is not to say that there are no down times when using those (Internet Key Sharing) IKS systems, which is minimal. There maybe intermitent picture freezing issues; but the bottom line is, you don't have to wait for keys whenever the keys are not available for standalone boxes. Oh, I hear that most of the Servers for the US IKS boxes are located in ASIA. They do this to avoid the wrath of US laws.

Remember, I do not condone the modification of FTA boxes in any form and through any means to steal legitiamte pay to view TV & Satellite Signals. All information are for Educational purposes only.[/quote]The problem with the Middle East (and I think European) servers is not just dealing with ECMs but that the servers apparently go down altogether i.e. no connection at all let alone IKS access. Google e.g. Maxx 1000.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 8:56pm On Oct 06, 2008
Regarding MBC Persia and Press TV both on 7w:

One thing I have noticed is that both are on Atlantic Bird 4 instead of either Nilesat 101 & 102; it may just be that AB 4 is as/more easily received in the south as/than the Nilesats and/or that some AB4 transponders are difficult in the North. Here in the UK, I cannot receive AB 4 transponders though I can receive most V (no H) transponders from the Nilesats.


Regarding JSC+1 etc

These are open today via DCW (similar to Biss) keys. Any receiver with an up to date patch and a Biss/DCW menu should be able to clear them presently.


Regarding olofofo's Starsat

It seems that receivers sold in Naija are patched by the sellers before being sold. Take the Strong receiver: it can only work with 6969 or 8282 after being patched; but many people buy it, do not patch it themselves, yet find 6969 working; this is simply because it was patched already when they bought it. So olofofo's starsat might have been patched by the time of purchase. Although, I would like to know whether the Starsat cleared JSC with Irdeto or DCW keys; olofofo might be able to tell us that by browsing through the keys menu.


@ toxnaija

hope you feel strong soon again


@ enitan

Next time you post a picture of your receiver's keys menu, it is better to post a slot with no keys in it; or you coulld even have cleaned the keys from the 'Premiere' slot that you used since you are never likely to receive Premiere (19e) in Naija.

Next
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 8:55pm On Oct 05, 2008
To edit posts, you click 'modify' on the particular post; I think olofofo has already done it.

cool
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 7:57pm On Oct 05, 2008
@ olofofo and all

Remember: please DO NOT post provider keys on the forum!!!

Find alternative ways to send it to the person you wish to send to!
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 3:33pm On Oct 04, 2008
badaru1:
@All

The argurment that numbers or concentration of dish in a particular area facing asatellite may increase or boost signal level is based on experiance I had with nilesat and hispasat then in the north. Then in kebbi if you want a good signal for nile i.e arround 1999-2000,you need 2.4m dish,even that may not give u 1966H 27500. But as more people start installing the bird,now you can get nile with 1.5m dish, I installed one and I got all the tps. The same story goes for hispasat,when we heard of the instalation in kano then,we were told to go for 3m dish and above to get the bird,but with time we got it with 1.8m dish.

Three things migth be responsible: Either concentration , learning curve of the installers or technology. But I will always stick with my first assertion-more dish more signal.
@ badaru

Firstly, I assure you once again that the mere fact of an increased number of dishes pointing at a satellite cannot increase the satellite signal. Believe me, this is not just theory, this is the practical reality.

Second, your post itself gives some clue or part of the reasons why it is apparently easier to get Nilesat. Originally, there was only one satellite at the location, i.e. Nilesat 101. Later Nilesat 102 was added and even later still in 2006 Atlantic Bird 4 was added. You look at it, whereas you previously had only 12 transponders to aim at, you now have 36. Evidently, it is more likely to be the case that you have greater chances of reception when there is a greater number of transponders.


On a different matter, I will check on the availability of the Humax remote Control and get back to you.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 1:14am On Oct 04, 2008
olofofo

Thanks for the pictures but I'm still trying to understand that second picture. That seems to be just the C band LNB or is it that I am failing to see the Ku band LNB as I can see that there are indeed two cables. I guess what i really want to see is how you've placed the Ku band LNB next to the C band. And when you align it, do you align on the Ku band or on the C band?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 11:38pm On Oct 03, 2008
Olofofo

Those card shari*g receivers are not worth it; for instance, the servers for most of them are currently down. What you will find with most of those receivers is that they will work for a few weeks (maybe months), then server goes down and that might be the end of the receiver. Edited that is currently the case with the European and Middle East servers of such receivers; maybe F_Marshall can advise better regarding North American servers.

On improving signal --------- hmmmm, seems like time to buy a new and better 2.4 dish!!!!!!! grin

Seriously, I don't think a signal booster or panel beater will do that much good.

To tell you the truth, I am really impressed by your set up. I will like to know more about your motorised 1.8; can you please post a picture of it? I remember you are using 2 LNBs with it; one Ku and one C, is that correct?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 11:15pm On Oct 03, 2008
@ olofofo

(I was writing this when I saw your question just posted)

First, congrats on your Nilesat. Can you receive MBC Action and also MBCs 2 & 4? In fact, there are quite a number of channels on Nilesat with English programming including also some of the Kuwaiti channels. Alkass is a sports channnel; I mention this because it may not be obvious from the name.

As for Showtime keys, they are currently down and not working in most receivers, so you have to wait a little while. On the other hand, I think ART is still opening; I haven't checked as I can't receive ART on Nilesat. Incidentally I have an official ART card that I use on 13e).

By the way what brand receiver are you using?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 11:04pm On Oct 03, 2008
[quote author=F_Marshal link=topic=7715.msg2889642#msg2889642 date=1223049885]@ Enigma.
Thanks for shading more light on the myth that Satellite foot print increases in proportion to large clusters of Dish installations in a Particular geographical location. I did try to explain here, but to no avail.[/quote]F_marshal

Yep, I saw that post; just that its message needed to be repeated.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 10:53pm On Oct 03, 2008
@ initialize

Olofofo is correct; seeing that you seem to want guaranteed football, HITV is probably your best bet and I think that for football their service is not that bad. It seems most of those complaining are people who want other content beyond football.

As for the FTA that we are discussing here; again, olofofo is correct that it is primarily an enthusiast/hobbyist thing with the bonuses that we get thrown in in the form of entertainment (and even some football) from various parts of the world.

My own suggestion is as follows:

1. Read this thread and the FTA FAQs sticky and get a general understanding of FTA and satellite TV.

2. Buy your HiTV package i.e. dish and LNB, receiver/decoder, card, cables etc

3. If you think you might be interested in this hobby and if you have understood the basics, then try installing the HITV set up by yourself. If you are successful and you like it, then you can take FTA forward by experimenting in future.

4. If you know that you are definitely interested in the hobby, then seriously consider the FTA option that olofofo gave and decide if it is for you --- I'm sure when it comes to installing it, the community here will find a way to help you get it going.

5. On the other hand, if you are not interested in the hobby or are not confident about installing it yourself, get an installer to set up your system but try and watch and learn for the future; enjoy your HiTV in peace.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 12:38pm On Oct 03, 2008
badaru1:
@ Enigma

I saw a website in uk,I mailed them to ask about the price,they replied that it is 12 pound but they don't sell to some one outside europe. This is the address: Blackbird media ltd,30 luxton Garden,paddock wood kent TN126BB. Email: sales@blackbirdmedia.co.uk. Tell No. 08450530420.
Yeah, I know the owner of that site; Ian of Southern Satellite and I have bought something from him before. State the model of Humax and the model no of the remote control. I shouldn't have problems getting it from him if he has one; the bigger trouble is getting it to you. If you can wait, I will be in Lagos at the beginning of December.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 10:33am On Oct 03, 2008
enitan2002:
@ jujukemist,
i really appreciate your agreement with badaru's theory taht with more dishes in lagos facing the nilesat bird, will draw in more of the signal.
This theory is simply not correct. No matter the number of dishes pointing at a satellite, that number alone cannot increase or improve signal strength. As far as people receiving better signal from Nilesat is concerned, one explanation I can give is this: the likelihood is that people received more channels when Nilesat 102 was deployed in addition to Nilesat 101. Remember that there are three satellites located at the orbital position of 7w i.e. Nilesat 101, Nilesat 102 and Atlantic Bird 4 --- thereby increasing the number of frequencies and channels that can be received.

Compare saying that a radio FM frequency signal increases depending on the number of radio sets trying to receive the frequency; it is just not true; it is contrary to the physics/science.


@ toxnaija

Email sent


@ badaru1

First of all, have you now got the Humax Remote Control? If not, check the following links to see if the model required is there and how much. http://www.remotesrus.co.uk/remote/make/HUMAX.htm
http://www.twenga.co.uk/dir-Audio-Video,Home-cinema,Remote-control-12866


Otherwise just google 'Humax remote control'


@ all who have been working on and just got Nilesat (badaru, enitan, olofofo etc)

Well done y'all; I might need to call on your expertise one day when I am ready to install for Nilesat in Lagos.

cool
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 4:50pm On Sep 28, 2008
Seuncyber

I am going to be harsh with you; generally though I am normally easy going with newcomers.

What you are doing is very very bad ---- i.e. (a) you are displaying ignorance and (b) that you either have not read all the generous information on this thread or you lack basic comprehension.

You need to understand a few things:

1. Nobody here has a code for HiTV or DSTV that they are not giving out. HiTv is not hacked; DSTV on 36e is not hacked (though some say the 68e c Band might be open on some cards).
2. We do not even generally encourage the hacking of HiTV or DSTV; though obviously if we are aware that they are open, the fact will be public knowledge
3. This thread is first and foremost about FTA, note again FTA i.e. Free to Air; in other words totally and legally free non-subscription television.
4. The purpose of this thread is not to encourage people to hack DSTV or HiTV but to encourage and develop a hobby (i.e. FTA hobby) and at the same time helping those who instal dishes for money with our pooled knowledge.


So, I hope you will apologise for coming here to insult us baselessly. angry
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 2:43pm On Sep 28, 2008
captainus

I've been trying to work out what is going on with your system and I don't really know for sure; the best guess I can make is that maybe you are getting some feeds from 11w with your Ku band LNB when the dish is apparently positioned for 5w C band. (PS note that 'feeds' are temporary, usually for a particular event e.g. motor race or football match; and after that you may not get anything on the frequency for a while).

http://www.lyngsat.com/ea3.html

http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/maps/ea3_a9.html

What you should do is continually monitor the Ku band transponders at that position and note the channels that you can receive at different times; then, in future we will be able to work out exactly which satellite you are receiving from.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 7:31pm On Sep 27, 2008
yes, Gangsta: I have always assumed that that outer ring refers to areas where it is still theoretically possible to receive a signal with a suitably large dish. I am not sure of what the maximum possible dish size is. For broadcasters transmitters, I have seen gigantic big dishes in real life and on the Net but cannot now say what their sizes were.

For hobbyists like us, the biggest I have heard of is that of an elderly gentleman in Brazil who uses a 9 foot (?? I think) dish to receive Astra 1 at 19e occasionally!

Edited: it is an 8m dish apparently; see youtube video in link: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0JFP7NFx3s

cool
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 7:06pm On Sep 27, 2008
olofofo:
that's true for liveonsat, but i checked the link listed with the site and it says A1. so if i understand what you are saying correctly, the transponder is alive and FTA and you can receive it over there in the UK?

also what do you mean by if you can get KU on 1w, the frequencies are all there. besides Intelsat 10-02 is listed as for both c and KU, and yes i am in lagos.
First of all, yes, I can watch A1 and just checked and Arsenal v Hull is on. However, the channels on the 1w 12607 transponder are not FTA; they are scrambled in Nagra2 being part of the Digi TV package. Third, are you sure you can receive Ku band channels on 1w at all; what I mean is that I don't expect you to be able to receive Ku band channels on the 1w satellite in Lagos; I expect you to possibly be able to receive only C band channels. I suspect the receiver is misleading you by showing signals from a different satellite altogether?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 7:00pm On Sep 27, 2008
Gangsta

On the matter of signal strength, let us start with a different example: on the Radio FM dial, you will see that some frequencies are stronger than others; this may also depend on where the listener is; thus 101.2 FM may give better reception than 96.9 FM. Now the reason for the disparity in strength (apart from reception equipment) may be down to a number of things: the power/efficiency of the transmitter; atmospheric conditions affecting the particular frequency in the particular locality where it is being received.

Now transfer that to a satellite and remember this: a satellite is an edifice like a 'Danfo' bus 23000 miles away in space; on it are the transponders/transmitters. The transmitters are transmitting at different frequencies; not only that the transmitters are transmitting signals at various (usually low power, which I undestand could be as low as a few watts).

Now the providers would have worked out that for their target areas, even the least powerful transponder will be readily receivable; thus no need that the transponders should all be of the same strength. Then, remember that, theoretically, people in "fringe" areas (or outside the intended reception areas) are not supposed to receive the signals in the first place; thus anything received at all is a bonus. Thus in fringe areas, weak signals will be the consequence in relation to a transponder transmitting at particularly low power or whose frequency is negatively affected by adverse atmospherics.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 6:43pm On Sep 27, 2008
Olofofo

Liveonsat tends to get the name of the sat on that frequency showing football wrong; today is the second time. Today's match was shown on RTL Croatia on that transponder; another time it was shown on A 1 not A2 as LJ reported.

I have just checked and A1 is indeed currently showing Arsenal v Hull. I would have thought you can only get C Band on 1w; can you get Ku band on it as well?

By the way, where are you located; Lagos?
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 6:06pm On Sep 27, 2008
I think Mfonemana has got the wrong thread grin

Gangsta

For anyone who has a dish of only up to 1.2m in the UK, to receive any H transponder on Nilesat is like holy grail; you should see heaps of well dones and congratulations when anyone reports getting it ---- even if only for an hour. You really need like from 1.5 and above and up to and beyond 2.4. in some places.

As to how some channels of a provider can be received whilst others can't: the channels tend to be spread over a number of transponders for providers like Showtime with several channels; meanwhile transponders vary in strength -- especially for fringe areas. Here in the UK for most of today so far I could only receive about three or four transponders on Nilesat, the strongest being 11862 V. Come 9PM, I will be able to receive several more V transponders (without touching the dish, mind you). Of course in the proper footprint areas all the transponders will be receivable even though still some will still be weaker.

PS I'm in the UK presently.
Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 4:30pm On Sep 27, 2008
obnelly:
To all,if 11958 H 27500 is to ART and 11996 H 27500 is to showsport and 11977 v 27500 is to show cinema then am on the right channels for nilesat.I was able to work on that yesterday but the problem is the signal,it came up very late around 9pm and now its still 2am am still working on my computer,oh boy this Nilesat no go kill me.I will all need your supports as to what to do to make the signal stay at least during the day.remember am using fuji LNB.Oh sorry my signal strenght is 48-50% on both ART,SHOWPORT AND SHOW CINEMA 66%.all scrambled .
i wish i knew it all ,i mean how to input keys to open scrambled channels ,I need help so much here.some body helppppp cry
It seems that most keys for most Showtime channels are presently down; I think ART is still working but cannot confirm; ART is on Nilesat H transponder which is very difficult for us to receive in the UK.

Ecowas4All:
@Obnelly,
You've really been very active recently. Please keep it up. I do agree with you that this thread has taught a lot of people a lot of things.
However i disagree with your suggestion that the thread should be locked to people who don't contribute or restricted to a certain class. That would kill this thread as the popularity of the thread is exactly the fact that it is open to all and sundry.
Let the hardware retailers and dealers learn from this thread for free, don't forget its thanks to them that we have the variety of receivers and other tools in the system we use to keep our hobby alive!
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Yes, I agree let dealers, installers etc read for free; hopefully we would have helped everybody concerned; the dealers, installers etc if they generate more business; also we would have helped the clients ("installees"wink if the installers do better installations because of what they learn here (though I know that some of these installers will probably be going to make shakara with what they learn here). Anyway, in this world, not everything is about money or ego or even reward.
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Satellite TV TechnologyRe: Official Thread of Free-To-Air Satellite TV (Part 1) by Enigma(m): 4:10pm On Sep 27, 2008
@Gangsta and Obnelly

It is quite true that Nilesat signals are much weaker during the day and stronger at night. On my 1m dish, I get most V transponders in the evening but only a handful during the day as a general rule (I don't generally get any H transponder at any time). I have heard two reasons given for the disparity in signal levels during the day compared to the evening (though I don't know if they are correct): (a) because we are in fringe areas for reception, the movement of the actual satellite during the day means we are further away from the signal and therefore lose some of it; (b) that at night the controllers manoeuvre the satellites so that it enjoys greater solar power which for us somehow results in greater signal levels.

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