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@ Enitan

Ah Ah Ah wait a minute!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I somehow miscalculated from your original post!

Are you also a 6th March person?? ?? ?? ?? That means we share the same birthday! Encroyable; I don't find many people of that date.

However, check these ones out:

Michelangelo

Valentina Tereshkova

Plus Baba Awo as you mentioned, Mrs Ayo Vaughan-Richards in Nigeria and etc

Not bad company, eh?

@Enigma
Can u let the house know the details of the african beam on 28E

Thanks

captainus

Check this link: http://www.ses-astra.com/business/en/satellite-fleet/satellite-list/astra2b/index.php

enitan2002:
i've pickd a date for my nile installation and its just 2days after my birthday, and my birthday which coincides with the centenary post-humus birthday of the greatest man in d yoruba race after oduduwa. for those that have the brains shld work that out.

Enitan, so you are one of us! My own birthday is a day before yours.


@ toxnaija

I will be in Naija last weekend in March.

toxnaija

Don't sweat it; the CRTV is probably bleeding over from 25.5e; I am sure this is not simply a case of lyngsat not being updated; 28e only uses SRs 22000 and 27500 as I said (subject to the exceptions I mentioned previously).

Here in the UK, we get the exact reverse because 28e is soo strong while 26e is weak. We are very keen to get some channels on 26e but sometimes when we think we have got 26e, the channels we will be getting will in fact be from 28e. A similar position exists with 7w and 8w; while 8w is very easy to get, 7w is extremely difficult; again, sometimes when we think we have got 7w, the channels that we will see are actually from 8w.

olofofo:
@all
@enigma

the CRTV i have is on eurobird 2 and the TP is 12599v 3250.

In that case Eurobird 2 is at 25.5 (with Badr/Arabsat) and is not Astra 2 at all and to be differentiated from Eurobird 1 at 28.5e. Thanks for the information.

Edited PS olofofo, what is the frequency on which you get CRTV on 25.5e?

@ toxnaija

Another thought has crossed my mind: I have just remembered that there is a particular African beam on 28e and if that frequency is on that beam (and probably new for the CRTV service) then we may not get it here. I will look into this a little more.

@ toxnaija

Please double check the stated frequency for CRTV; also double-check whether it is on 28east at all. Firstly, 28e only uses two SRs which are 22000 and 27500 (except perhaps for occasional feeds or HD etc) and second I have tested the frequency you gave on 28e and it does not bring any signal --- just as I suspected it would not. It is possible that that particular frequency is from another satellite though obviously you can get 28e because of your mention of ITV and Community Channel.

By the way can you identify the particular ITV as there are many versions of ITV on 28e.

Also for anyone with a large dish who had struggled with Hotbird, try scanning it again as a new satellite, Hotbird 9, is now transmitting from there with huge signals reportedly.

@Ecowas4all

Thanks


@ twinstaiye

Oga moderator maybe Ecowas' post https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-182209.2784.html#msg3468614 to go in sticky FTA please?

@ Gangsta

What size dish did you get Hotbird with and in what location? How many channels/transponders did you get? In fact, which particular tansponders?

Please same answers for Intelsat 7/10 --- I am guessing that was just the C band -- or did you get any Ku band on that?


@ all

The strongest transponder list is a very useful tool; I have one for European satellites covering about 30 or so satellites. But it is not going to be useful for Nigeria/W Africa; people with installation experience over there have to supply the information; this may be by providing individual lists (no matter how small) or giving information of experience with a particular satellite. Interestingly, I know that such information is already scattered throughout the two FTA threads; however, what we need to do is to have a list and place it on the FTA sticky thread.

Edited Another thing: the list will have to be regional or even there might need to be more than one list e.g. list for Lagos, for PH, Abuja, Accra and other parts of Ghana etc though even one list could be useful as a general indicator.

@ twinstaiye

Cheers 


@ jossybless

Did you get the correct software and what is the date of the software you are trying to load?

Did it load into your receiver at all and did it open any other channels apart from the JSC+ channels?

olofofo:
@enigma

see you see lawyer,

Dayua! A la Clinton (another lawyer): "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."

@ adewest

Read this:

However, there is an important point to draw from the expertise of people like badaru & Adewest which is this: in West Africa in particular we are relatively behind in FTA satellite awareness whether as a hobby, from a professional standpoint or even in terms of advancement of collective global human knowledge. Specifically, we didn't have much, if any, information as to the 'out of footprint' satellites that can be received in our region; with what badaru and Adewest have achieved, we and indeed the world begin to realise what is possible. Let me put it in a different way as if this is a matter of academic/professional research: as far as practical knowledge of FTA satellite reception in Nigeria/West Africa specifically are concerned, people like badaru and Adewest can be referred to legitimately as world leading experts. In fact, once I've got more information I shall be notifying the reception reports at a couple of forum of experts here in the UK.

It was posted by me in this link.

jossybless:
@olofofo @enigma@All pls abeg o o i downloaded updates for jsc+1234 but they ar not openin pls can u giv steps on how2 go about it.My decoda when powered come up wit white strong logo hope no wahala

There are two sets of JSC+ 1234; one set is on Nilesat 7w 12284 V, the other is on Hotbird 13e 11177 H.

Those on Hotbird (except +3) are still open with DCW keys; not patch alone; the keys can even be entered by remote. However, I suspect you are referring to those on 7w. Those on 7w are still open with recent patches on some receivers.

What receiver are you using and what is the date on the patch? Also, has the patch loaded successfully and does it open any other channels?


@ salamander

Spurs v Arsenal is on 2M 21.6e while Roma v Genoa is on JSC+2 7W and Capixaba 55w C band; refer to www.liveonsat.com

@ olofofo

Sorry, no I did not call anyone ignorant. I said let us not appear to be ignorant. A story: some weeks ago some guy came to one UK forum to ask about FTA in Naija; I used style to direct him to nairaland; because of that, the owner of that UK forum came here to browse; he then came back to the UK forum and made a post laughing at some of the less informed posts here.  OK, it is not a big deal that that happened but we should at least try to present ourselves as being reasonably informed.

Anyway, the feed in question was an eTV feed. I maintain that there is no need to be scared to post feed frequencies. See, people on 68.5e with patched receivers have been watching even the main eTV channel for free for years now. If eTV is so concerned that people can find out on this thread how to watch it, why have they not done anything about it so far? How much less will they then be concerned about feeds which are very occasional?

Look, it costs providers a lot of money to encrypt or to upgrade their encryption; it makes economic sense sometimes to ignore the fact that maybe a few hundred or even thousand people can see an occasional feed than to spend lots of money on encryption ----- when you consider that number relative to the number of their subscribers. It is true that sometimes providers will find it necessary to encrypt (e.g. using the cheaper BISS or CW for feeds) but that is not only because a few hobbyists can see the transmission.

obnelly:
olofofo,george d should learn lesson by now.posting those frequency is as good as posting keys on the forum.Anyway i cant really say if RDV is ON MAINTENACE or they are off the sirus,b4 the breaking news that RDV is back i discovered that their was no scramble channel on the screen only blank channel later on pictures came up with good signal up to 88% ,this evening it reduced to 48% now as am typing no signal on RDV while all other channel came up with good signal.can we say they are carrying out maintenace or they are off that satellite.I will keep you updated.


WHAO! SIGNAL IS BACK ON RDV AGAIN I GUESS THEY ARE WORKING ON THEIR SYSTEM

Let us not allow ourselves to be laughing stock. Posting satellite feeds is not the same thing as posting keys. At satellite forums here, people come every weekend (in fact, almost everyday) asking for a feed for some event or other; it could be wrestling, cricket, Grammys, Oscars, even the war in the Middle East.  Sometimes when there is a big event we divide ourselves into teams to search various different satellites and frequencies for the feeds --- once found you come and announce it to the whole world. In fact, it is a thing of some recognition to be the first to find the feed.

Some people are actually recognised as international experts at finding feeds; for example, google these two names: (edited) "feedhunter rini" or "stanley cassidy feeds".

Let us move away from a mentality that make us appear backward and ignorant.

It is NOT because of what we post here that providers will encrypt any particular transmission.

Further Edit: See an example of a more open attitude to feeds in this link

There is absolutely nothing wrong with posting feeds frequencies; it is a normal and enjoyable part of the satellite hobby.

Feeds are even posted on dedicated sites including http://www.satelliweb.com/index.php?section=livef


Even Lyngsat, flysat etc all post feed frequencies

Sadly, GTV is no more

GTV is to be liquidated, according to a Press Statement currently posted on their website: www.gtv.tv

GTV PRESS STATEMENT ON LIQUIDATION

LONDON – 30 January 2009 - Gateway Broadcast Services announced today that its Board of Directors has unanimously approved a plan to liquidate the Company.

The current financial and global crisis has severely interrupted the company’s ability to secure further funding for the continued operation of the business.

The company has worked extensively with external advisors and all internal resources to investigate, evaluate and analyze strategic alternatives for the Company to further continue to operate. In determining to approve the Company's plan of Liquidation, the board and management carefully reviewed the advice and findings.

Gateway Broadcast Services, suppliers of the GTV service to subscribers across Africa has over the last 2 years invested a total of US$200 million and created jobs and competition in the 22 markets. The economic crisis that has emerged globally over the last few months has caused excessive demands on the business.

With immediate effect the service will be withdrawn.

“Increased instability in global markets interrupted our ability to secure funding on an acceptable timescale and have left us no choice but to cease operations,” said a company spokesman.

“We realise the negative impact this has had on our loyal customers, creditors and staff, all of who have believed in GTV and the revolution in pay TV it had created. We have tried every possible step to keep the company going but we are all the unfortunate victims of the current global economic crisis.”

Thank you.

toxnaija

With regard to Astra: if/when next you locate it, you should store it and retain between 2 & 5 channels so that we can definitively identify what you got; that way we have it for reference purposes and also as a proof/record. Also, I should say that whichever of the Astras you received, there are a lot of free/FTA (some English-speaking) channels alongside the encoded ones.

I wonder if it is possible for you to use your positioner/motor to track the arc and see which sats you receive along the way.

Finally, what channels can you receive on Hotbird?

@toxnaija

You are correct the keys are D[/b]CW keys. However, on Technomate (and I think on Strong) receivers, DCW, CCW, CW ([b]not cryptoworks) and biss keys are all entered in the biss menu and in the same way.


Edited

Even though they are incomplete, I would suggest you delete those keys above.

toxnaija:
Is it possible to open jsc+1,3,4 on  Hotbird with the available keys as Strong is currently down?

JSC+ 1,2 & 4 (but not 3) is still open with Biss keys on Hotbird.

@ Gangsta

For JSC +1-4, scan: Nilesat 12284 V 27500; Hotbird 11296 H 27500 and 11179 H 27500.

biggjoe:
On the issue of splitting signals
I have really expeienced hard time myself trying to feed from one LNB to 2 receivers. First, using splitters to split from the LNB and feed directly to the receivers looked ok at first but theres always a poblem when any1 changes fom one polarisation to another. Channels on horizontal transponders are always trouble.
The story is almost the same thing when when you feed one 'host' receiver and then loop to another.

As of yet, I havent found any viabl[/b]e solution to this issue and I will appreciate a solution from members.

Buggjoe, what you need is a [b][url=http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/5228104/LNB-Twin/Product.html?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Electronics-_-Accessories-_-LNB%2BTwin&source=5065&engine=froogle_electronics&keyword=LNB+Twin]Twin LNB[/url], mate or a [url=http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/5228080/LNB-Quad/Product.html?cm_mmc=Froogle-_-Electronics-_-Accessories-_-LNB%2BQuad&source=5065&engine=froogle_electronics&keyword=LNB+Quad]Quad[/url]. Each receiver will work totally independent of the other.

enigma,
i miss you no be small ooo.what other European birds do you think we could track?I hope this satellite thing no go make me forget about my trip ooo,except i can lay cable from Abeokuta to Europe.pls get me a contractor for the job.

tox, we'll hook up around Easter; in fact, I just remembered that I actually have to spend a few days in Abeokuta during that trip.

Gangsta101:
Hi all,

a couple of things, i am using a multi lnb setup (3) with a diseqc so i can't use a multi output lnb.

YES, you can. Indeed you have a number of options. The simplest is that one receiver will only receive from one LNB instead of all the LNBs and for that what you do is this: you replace the particular LNB you want, say with a twin; one cable will go into the diseqc switch while the other will go directly into the second receiver.

The second which is slightly more expensive, just a bit more complicated, but more fulfilling is to replace each LNB with a twin; use two separate diseqc switches each going to the separate receivers. However, this can be complicated if some of the LNBs are C band with 'di-electric' removed - but even then it is possible.

When you guys talk about strong and weak signals, i get confused. To me, I beleive a bird can either be tracked or not, even those you refer to as weak signals, you still watch channels without breaking, and those called strong signal birds still have numerous channels still freezing up.
SO i dont really see how some tools will enable a weak signal that can be tracked will assist an individual, once it can be confirm that a signal bird can be tracked, i think its now left to the expertise of the individual not the tools available. Even with the tools at hand, there's no guaranty that a bird can be tracked.

@ enitan

Let me explain some basics of this weak signal versus strong signal business.

Remember some fundamentals, in particular that each satellite has an intended footprint i.e. the areas where it is intended that the satellite's signal should be receivable. In other words the satellite transmits its signal at a particular power and through a 'beam' pointed in a particular direction. The beam may even be a tight 'spot beam' focussing on a very small area e.g. the Nigeria beam of W4. The owners of and operators on a particular satellite calculate the minimum dish size that should be necessary to receive the satellite signal at the intended location; in the case of DTH providers, a small dish is preferable for many reasons e.g. you can now see very small (maybe 45cm) dishes for HiTV/MyTV/DSTV. They also take account of the fact that some people outside the intended footprint may still be able to receive the signal but here two important factors matter: (a) when it is PayTV they restrict access outside footprint area by 'refusing' to sell their cards/conditional access in those places and (b) trying to ensure that people outside the intended footprint will need much larger dishes to get the signal, calculating that this is not practical for most people except for hobbyists like us who make up perhaps not even up to 1% of the population.

Let us take the Nigerian spot beam of W4 as an example, so study the map and dish size chart to its right in this link carefully. First, you see that the map has figures like 40-55 in respect of different areas of the circling map representing the calculated/estimated EIRP. The dish size guide then tells you that while people in the area marked 40 EIRP need a dish of size 1.5m to 1.9m, those in an area marked 50 only need a 60cm dish. On the other hand those in areas of EIRP 30 (not shown on the map) need a massive/gianormous dish of 5.35 meters to receive the signal. [PS It is known that sometimes the estimated dish sizes are not accurate/realistic which is why for example Nilesat can be received in Naija with 1.8 to 2.4 dishes]

So what you have to note very importantly is that the stronger the signal is the easier it is to track the satellite. While a newcomer with basic intelligence, rudimentary knowledge of satellite installation and luck should be able to track W4 or Intelsat 7/10 even without instruments, it takes fuller knowledge, skill, experience and in some cases absolutely the right tools to track weaker signal satellites. Those tools may include a particularly sensitive LNB, good quality cable, perfectly vertical mast, perfect dish or even a particularly sensitive dish, and yes further, in some cases, the right professional meter or even spectrum analyser to find especially weak signals/transponders.

@ Gangsta

A loop through from the RF or even from the LNB Out of one receiver into another can be temperamental depending on the particular receivers involved. With some receivers you will have to switch off the main receiver; with others both receivers have to be on; in many cases, you can only watch channels on the slave receiver that are on the same polarity (H or V) as the main receiver is tuned to.

You can achieve what you are seeking with a Manual A/B Switch like that in the link. It can be used to take signals from one dish to two receivers or from two dishes to one receiver.

Edited: I have read that your post again and I realise that I slightly misread it having seen this:

let's say you want to watch the premiership on saturday, while the spanish la liga is going on, how do u shuffle between both receivers.

If both receivers are supplied by one dish and if your TV has at least two Scart inputs (or one more AV input e.g. by those three yellow/red/white cable things)--- then a relatively easy way to do it is to replace the relevant LNB (which I presume to be a single LNB) with a Twin or Quad LNB and run a second cable to the second receiver; then you simply use the Remote Control to alternate between the TV's AV inputs.

@ Gangsta

Indeed for my sins, I am a lawyer! Somebody once said: "the first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers"! Another one: you are in the bush; you see three things coming at you - a lion, a tiger and a lawyer; you have a gun and two bullets; what do you do? Shoot the lawyer -TWICE to make sure!  

@all

On the matter of instruments: while it is true that knowledgeable/experienced or even lucky people may be able to align (especially to the easier satellites) without expensive instruments, I tell you that having the right tools and knowing how to use them can (a) make the job easier and (b) help to achieve stupendous results.  Take the simple satfinder/satbeeper, if you know how to use it well, you will find installing dishes much easier; on the other hand, here in the UK, without any tools at all, it wouldn't take me more than 5 minutes to align to the major and more powerful satellites like Hotbird, Astras 1 & 2 etc without any instrument at all ---- simply because they are that easier to get.  But compare the satfinder/beeper to a professional meter e.g. the Lacuna meter; if you have the latter, you will want to destroy all the sat beepers in the world; e.g. where the sat beeper will only tell you that you have signal from somewhere, a professional meter like the lacuna will actually tell you the name of the satellite that you have found. Where the satfinder/beeper is about £5, the professional meter is between £200 and £500 ---- of course most hobbyists will not want to go that far. On the other hand even the Lacuna meter and similar do not compare at all to a spectrum analyser which can run into thousands of pounds and is used by the more professional installers who install for earth stations, TV stations etc etc.

So we should not underplay the importance of the right tools granted that as hobbyists we don't need to spend too much on the more expensive tools. Even enitan himself said he has or uses a compass ---- is that not in itself a useful tool to have even though it is not impossible to install without it?

intro!
i hail the house oooo!
FTA testers, well done my brothers I just dey get small interest
my fellow country men," i be FTA tester and satellite installer like most of una in this forum , i hve plenty years of expirence in this work home and away, "well sha! na my job and biz ,
Anyway I dey north africa now sometimes midlest , I deal mostly on cardshare biz and FTA receivers'
gammer card."abracard" and dongle card.etc

@ Ccoder007

Inta Kwayes? Salaam, marhaba.

Whereabouts are you in North Africa, Egypt? There are some good FTA satellite guys (including Nigerians) in Cairo --- I know because I met two of them there some time ago. Stay with us and share your knowledge/experience.

@ toxnaija

Thanks for giving that exciting report and well done to you and Adewest on the achievements.

I noticed one thing: you mention that Sky channels on Astra 1H were scrambled -- first the Sky channels are actually not on Astra 1H which is at 19e but on Astra 2 which is at 28e. It may be that your receiver's information is not up to date or something; please check again and confirm whether it is indeed 19e that you receive or 28e. As an aside, I would say that when giving reception reports it is helpful to give the orbital position of the particular satellite you are referring to: for instance, you mention Thaicom whereas there are in fact a number of Thaicom satellites at different orbital positions such as 50e & 78e; also when you say Metro TV in extreme West, I had to do a quick check to find out that you are probably talking about 37w.

Well done again, now you have plenty enough to watch?


@ Adrusa

I agree with some of the points you make (incidentally we have a similar profile somewhat except my field is law). It is indeed true that the more one is aware of the underlying theories, the better one's installation skills are likely to be and one will not be amazed at, though respectful of, installation/reception reports such as that given by toxnaija. However, there is an important point to draw from the expertise of people like badaru & Adewest which is this: in West Africa in particular we are relatively behind in FTA satellite awareness whether as a hobby, from a professional standpoint or even in terms of advancement of collective global human knowledge. Specifically, we didn't have much, if any, information as to the 'out of footprint' satellites that can be received in our region; with what badaru and Adewest have achieved, we and indeed the world begin to realise what is possible. Let me put it in a different way as if this is a matter of academic/professional research: as far as practical knowledge of FTA satellite reception in Nigeria/West Africa specifically are concerned, people like badaru and Adewest can be referred to legitimately as world leading experts. In fact, once I've got more information I shall be notifying the reception reports at a couple of forum of experts here in the UK.

[quote author=F_Marshal link=topic=182209.msg3346645#msg3346645 date=1232057473]@ Enigma.

What is the situation with "Nagra 3" over there in Europe? Have they found a work around for it over there? Here in the USA and north of the boader in Canada no standalone STBs can handle Nagra 3 signals yet. My understanding is that Nagra 3 has long been in use in Europe for sometime now. [/quote]Hi F_Marshal

So far Nagra 3 has been holding up for the last one year or so; recently one or two providers (especially Premiere and Polsat) just went fully Nagra 3 and one or two more are expected to go that way.

There are at least two theories about the status/impregnability of Nagra 3: (a) that it is several times tougher than Nagra 2 and will be difficult to break; (b) that some people are already close to breaking it but are still holding their fire so that the other intending providers can also go to Nagra 3 (in other words, they don't want to break it too early). I don't really know which theory is more accurate though I incline towards the first.

Having said that, it was thought that Irdeto 2 was impregnable but many brands of receiver are receiving JSC+ and other Irdeto channels; also the Gamma and the Abra cards are still doing Irdeto channels, so you never know.

Slightly off-topic, sorry:

@ George D and anyone else interested

You can download a compass for mobile phones at the following link:
http://www.qcontinuum.org/compass/index.htm


PS If both your phone and computer have bluetooth, you can download it to your computer and send to your phone by bluetooth; useful if you do not have WAP access.

@ George D (and all)

That guide for motorising a dish is very good (it was done by a fellow who is a member/former owner of one forum here and in fact he still runs another i.e. www.nosky.co.uk); however, it is meant for Diseqc motors mainly though its general principles (especially H-H) can also help with larger dishes using a jack.

Here is a link that has a lot of information regarding motors generally and also covering jacks and positioners:
http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/dish-setup-single-sat-multi-sat-motorised-systems/5471-setup-dish.html



[quote author=Mr. Gem link=topic=182209.msg3345259#msg3345259 date=1232036614]Yes, I can testify to it that (6969)*2 is working for now on MYTV AFRICA channel.[/quote]Mr Gem, do you mean all MyTV channels or just one or just some?

Happy new year to all and wishing everyone all blessings.


@ Ecowas4all and @ All

Re:

@Tox
I am annoyed at your attitude. I could have declared the location of STV on that bird but wanted to relax and just inform you offline just in case they were trying to hide anything. Now you have let the cat out of the bag. I hope they don't keep jumping you can get Nilesat not all of us can at this moment. We need the STV for now. I rest my case

I like to say again that if we think that sat providers like STV etc will try to hide something only because of what we post here, then we are deceiving ourselves. As I said before, if they move stations around or even encrypt, it is largely for reasons beyond simply what is posted on a forum. Again, I like to say that part of the satellite hobby is for people who discover channels that are temporarily FTA to announce it for other hobbyists to enjoy --- for as long as the FTA period lasts. In the UK for example , for the past couple of weeks hobbyists have been announcing for others that Kanal A on 42 East is showing a lot of football FTA; nobody is saying "oh, don't announce it , etc". For a very good example of how hobbyists see the issue of temporary FTA channels, see the following link: http://www.nosky.co.uk/forum/index.php?page=42