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alBHAGDADI:
You are getting me angry because you are the one guilty of what you accuse me of, which is quoting out of context.

Faith without works is dead, but does that mean there is no faith there? No, it is only saying that the faith is not active because the person is not showing it through works. Abraham showed his by going ahead to sacrifice Isaac.

You have been making it seem like those who sin are not righteous. But what did the Bible count as righteousness in Abraham's case? He was counted righteous because he BELIEVED in God.

Where is it written in Romans chapter 3 that the passage is talking about jews? You even dubiously added the bolded words in parenthesis to prove your claim which the Bible didn't do. You did that just to say the passage which says "no one is righteous" is about the jews before Jesus time.

If no Jew was righteous before Jesus came, how come the chapter in James which you quoted above says Abraham was counted righteous? Can you now see your flaw and that you are the one quoting scripture wrongly?

How did I flaw? Was it not what you kept quoting ?

I ask you again , what does it mean to be born again ?

alBHAGDADI:
Did that thief ask for forgiveness? No.

Did he BELIEVE Jesus is the messiah and has a kingdom? Yes, that's why he ask for Jesus to remember him in his kingdom. He simply BELIEVED, that's why he was saved. Nowhere is it written that he asked for forgiveness and was forgiven.

You just listed so many sins, yet you do not know that a human being cannot live without committing sin. No one is righteous.

Roman's 3:10
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Now, if you say righteousness is a must for salvation, then no one will be saved according to the verse above. We all sin and are sinners, but are saved by grace alone, not of ourselves or any thing we did other than believe in Jesus.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Can you now see that not sinning is not what gets you saved. Your salvation is a gift from God.

Meaning , Jesus did not know that it is by faith?

Faith with good works of righteousness is what a christian needs :

James 2:20-26 KJV
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[21] Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[25] Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH without WORKS IS DEAD ALSO.

Please , stop this argument , no sinner can make heaven.

The Romans 3 is not for believers in Christ but for the Jews who b4 Jesus came :
Romans 3:9-13 KJV
What then? are we better than they ? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
[10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
[11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
[12] They (not we ) are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
[13] THEIR throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under THEIR lips:

So , stop quoting scpritures out of context. If you had read it from the beginning , you would have known the condition and the true meaning of that verse and what it means.

paxonel:
this is wrong!

if the christian faith started from the time jesus started preaching the gospel, was there anyone saved at that time?

The answer is no.

Salvation started after jesus resurrected.meaning,without resurrection there is no salvation.

This means that christianity as a faith commences after the resurrection of jesus, that there were no christians until jesus resurrected, that non of jesus disciples were christians until jesus resurrected, talkless of the pharisees.

Therefore it is very incorrect to say that jesus was referring to christians in matthew 7:22-23.
The truth is, he was referring to the jews and pharisees as the MANY

What you should know is that, any scriptures from matthew mark luke and john were never recorded during the christian era.

When want to talk about the christian faith, it starts from the book of acts of the apostles(the day of pentecost) down to revelation which marks the era after the death and resurrection of christ.

If you have never understood it to this point, you will just simply find yourself deceiving people as today nigerian pastors are currently doing, all of them.

You are not only wrong , but TOO WRONG AND SO WRONG.

Is Christianity different from the gospel of Jesus Christ ?

Matthew 4:23 KJV
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Is Christianity not the continuation of the gospel Jesus started?

If the below scriptures are not for Christians , who are they meant for ?
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

alBHAGDADI:
You can't reply lengthy post by asking a question, even a question which is common knowledge.

If truly you can answer my post, go back and address it.

As for your question "would a liar make heaven?".

Let me borrow your style.

Would a thief make heaven? If no, then how come the one crucified with Jesus made heaven?

A liar is a sinner likewise a thief. But a thief made heaven according to the Bible. Shouldn't that tell you that a liar too can make heaven if he toes the path the thief took which is Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life?

When you ask for forgiveness , God can forgive you and may not forgive one.
That man crucified along with Jesus was no longer a thief , he was forgiven . If he had another opportunity to live , Jesus would have told him, " sin no more " , like he told the woman caught in the act of adultery.

You are wrong ,Jesus told us in the Bible that no liar will make heaven unless he repents :

Revelation 21:8 KJV
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH.

What is this revelation 21 : 8 above means? That all Christians will make heaven?

Don't let anyone deceive you , no unrighteous person will go to heaven.

paxonel:
and that period was described as the days of john the baptist(because john the baptist was not yet killed) yes or no?

I'm asking you this simple questions because i want to prove a point to you.

Were the disciples called christians during the days of john the baptist before jesus was crucified, yes or no?

If no, at what point did the christian faith started on earth?

Christian faith started from the time Jesus started preaching the gospel.

Immediately Jesus started his ministry , the ministry of John the Baptist ended.

John the Baptist said in :
John 3:28-30 KJV
Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
[29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[30] He must increase, but I must decrease.

If my reply does not correspond to your questions , let me know .

alBHAGDADI:
Don't waste your time with him concerning Mathew 7:22-23 which is one of the verses they use to say one can lose his salvation. I've already explained it to him above, which he couldn't reply to because the passage actually stands against their argument. Please scroll up.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "HE COULDN'T REPLY TO...?

I ASKED YOU WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BORN AGAIN AND YOU REFUSED TO ANSWER.

IF YOU THINK SINNERS WOULD MAKE HEAVEN because THEY ARE CHRISTIANS , YOU A JOKING.

Mathew 7 : 22- 23 is glaring for everyone to see.

Since you decided not to answer my question the other time , let me ask you another question :

Would a liar make heaven ?

paxonel:
very correct
what?
But you just said there were no christians ;

Only Christians cast out demons in the name of Jesus.

Before Jesus came there were no Christians , but from the beginning of his ministry , Christianity started . Although they were not yet called Christians then , they were mainly known as disciples or followers of him ( Jesus ).

Erikthered:
Prof. of spiritual things

If my great grand father who wasn't a Christian out of no fault of his, obey God's laws according to the dictates of his good conscience, he will make heaven

It's a pity you think that the heaven party is is selected from among Christians.

You can be a "born again Christian", have a Bible and call Jesus from now till eternity and you won't make heaven if you don't obey God's laws.

If you don't know this simple thing, I wonder why you think you know spiritual things better than the next person.

Did your great grand father go to heaven when he died ?

Did you not know that your grand father inherited the sins of his ancestors who might have been idolaters?

Don't you also know that it is impossible not to commit any sin from ones birth till death ?

Even father Abraham and all those who died b4 the death of Jesus did not go to heaven , how much more our ancestors who were worshipers of idols .

paxonel:
let me ask you a simple question and i need a sincere answer from you without any contradiction.

Was there anything like christianity on earth as at the time jesus made this statement in matthew 7:22-23 you just quoted?

If the answer is no, who were then the many he was talking about?
Were they christians?

There were no Christians then.

The "many" he was referring to are the Christians who are workers of iniquities .

What is your point?

bentwain:
please I had a dream this afternoon that I was shot and immediately I woke up, my phone rang and my friend told me that I should be careful that he dreamth that I was killed. I'm confused and I need help.

Just pray and cancel the dream. Confess that you shall not die but live , in Jesus name.

Read Psalm 27.
Confess your sins to God and ask Him to forgive you. This is VERY IMPORTANT.Bring quality repentance before the Lord.
After that pray these prayers with faith :

1.. I fire back every satanic bullet , in the name of Jesus.
2. No weapon or satanic gun shot fashioned against me shall prosper, in the name if Jesus.
3.. Any power that wants me to die , shall die in my place because it is written ,"he that leads into captivity shall go into captivity and he that kills by the sword shall die by the sword , in Jesus name.
4 Cover yourself with the blood of Jesus.
5.. I shall not die but live , the number of my days shall be fulfilled, in the name of Jesus.
6..Every decree of untimely death hovering over my life, catch fire and die, in the name of Jesus.
7 .,Every plantation of untimely death in my life , be uprooted by fire , in the name of Jesus.
8..Every arrow or bullet of untimely death fire at me in the dream , come out and go back to your senders , in Jesus'name.
9.. Every door opened in my life for the attacks of untimely death , be closed by the blood of Jesus.

If you can use the prays for night vigil , it will be very great.

DON'T BE AFRAID. IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON ANY PROJECT , AGREEMENT , TRAVELLING ETC RECONSIDER IT AND PRAY B4 TAKING THE STEP.

DON'T TRUST ANY FRIEND BUT GOD.

Erikthered:
You are not Jesus and that's the good news.

People who are not Christians will make heaven if by the dictates of their good conscience obey the laws of God.

Christians who have same mindset as you won't.

You don't understand spiritual things.

Jesus is the only way to eternal life in paradise, any other way is destruction and hell.

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

You either enter through that "strait" or "tiny" gate that leads to heaven or the WIDE GATE that leads to hell.
This tiny gate , only FEW go through it.

There are only two gates. The two gates do not lead to heaven only one does.

Jesus is the gate :

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

alBHAGDADI:
Na wah for you o!

You said one needs faith and works of righteousness to make heaven, but surprisingly you said the thief only used grace to make heaven. Doesn't that contradict your stance?

You just keep quoting verses upon verses without understanding them. Those sins you listed are sins under the law. But before God, the thing he considers sin is rejection of Jesus Christ. When you commit all those sins you listed, you commit them in the flesh and are punished in the flesh. But your spirit is denied heaven when you also include the rejection of Jesus.

You quoted Mathew 7:21-23 without even knowing that it is actually against what you stand for.

Those people wanted to enter heaven on the basis of the works they did. They did good works, yet they were denied entry into heaven Why? Because they did not acknowledge Jesus. They were never saved.

According to you, if one is saved but goes about sinning again, such a person will lose his salvation. Going by your stance, those people were "saved" at some point in time but lost their salvation. If they were saved at some point in time, how come Jesus said he NEVER knew them?

If they were once saved, would he say he NEVER knew them? Won't it be "I use to know you but not anymore because you lost your salvation"?

Those people were never saved because they were trusting on works, that's why they were reeling out the good works they did. You my brother are not saved because you are depending on WORKS of righteousness to save you instead of grace.


Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

We are saved by grace, not by any of our doing other than just believe in Jesus. That's why that theif got saved. He simply believed in Jesus while the other thief rejected and mocked Jesus.

What does it mean to be born again?

alBHAGDADI:
Any scripture to back this up with, or you are just parroting what you've been taught?

The thief that made heaven for having faith in Jesus Christ, what holy life did he live?

It is not about what I have been taught. It is what I know .

The thief repented and was granted grace to make heaven. That was his last chance. As for you and for me , we have the same grace to repent and stay holy.

Galatians 6:7-8 KJV
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[8] For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

HOW DOES ONE SOW TO THE FLESH?


Galatians 5:16-21 KJV
This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
[17] For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
[18] But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

NO SINNER CAN MAKE HEAVEN :

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

JESUS made this cleared to us that it is not confession of faith alone but faith and righteousness :

Matthew 7:21-22 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

ONE CANNOT PROPHESIED IN THE NAME IF JESUS WITHOUT HAVING FAITH IN HIM. FAITH THAT CAN CAST OUT DEVILS AND PERFORM MIRACLES IS NOT ENOUGH , AS LONG AS THERE IS SIN IN THAT LIFE , HE CAN'T MAKE HEAVEN :

Matthew 7:23 KJV
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

paxonel:
you are getting it all wrong perhaps your inability to think when you read thereby depending terribly on faulty laid down doctrines.

1.First of all understand that God is spirit.
2.Only God who is a spirit judges.
3. Based on the human physical senses anyone committing sin is a sinner, but it is not so with God who is spirit .
4.To God who is spirit and not physical humans, anyone who refuses to believe in christ is the sinner,therefore all the things mentioned in galatians 5:19-21 you just quoted are seen in them by the spirit and by the physical humans as well.(thats why you can judge by your physical senses that anyone committing those sins are the sinners)
5. To God who is spirit, everyone believing in christ or having faith are exempted from being judged by the spirit or called sinners by the spirit even though they find themselves committing those sins mentioned in galatians 5:19-21(what is known as justification of the spirit. Romans 3:24)

Now, not committing all those sins mentioned in the Galatians 5:19-21 you just quoted is simply keeping the law which is very good. But the law is mere physical(not the spirit) therefore it cannot save.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

So, when christ said in john 3:16..whosever believeth in him(not whosever does not commit sin) should not perish but have everlasting life, he meant what he said

Invariably , you are saying sinners will make heaven as long as they are Christians. I pity you and I wonder the kind of a christian you are.
The fact that God is a Spirit does not mean he will allow sinners to make heaven.
Jesus said :

Matthew 7:22-23 KJV
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY.

THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD AND HIS STANDARD.

John 4:24 KJV
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.

alBHAGDADI:
You are right on this one, but it in no way leads to salvation.

Yes , it does not on its own lead to salvation.
Faith in the death of Jesus and living in holiness is what is required for a genuine salvation.
The presence of the Holy Spirit in us makes or empowers us to live a holy life. And the Holy Spirit does not reside in a dirty body .

Erikthered:
Muslims who live a holy life ordered by their good conscience will make heaven. Christians who have same mindset with which you typed what I quoted won't

Your good conscience cannot save you as long as you a not worshipping the TRUE GOD.

Islam is idolatry in disguise.

Volume 6, Book 60, Number 23:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated 'Asim bin Sulaiman:

I asked Anas bin Malik about Safa and Marwa. Anas replied, "We used to consider (i.e. going around) them a custom of the Pre-islamic period of Ignorance, so when Islam came, we gave up going around them. Then Allah revealed" "Verily, Safa and Marwa (i.e. two mountains at Mecca) are among the Symbols of Allah. So it is not harmful of those who perform the Hajj of the House (of Allah) or perform the Umra to ambulate (Tawaf) between them." (2.158)

Volume 2, Book 26, Number 675:
Bukhari :
Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said:
"Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone) saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.' Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal).'

IT IS IDOLATRY TO WORSHIP STONE :

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 661:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Raja Al-Utaridi:

We used to worship stones, and when we found a better stone than the first one, we would throw the first one and take the latter, but if we could not get a stone then we would collect some earth (i.e. soil) and then bring a sheep and milk that sheep over it, and perform the Tawaf around it. When the month of Rajab came, we used (to stop the military actions), calling this month the iron remover, for we used to remove and throw away the iron parts of every spear and arrow in the month of Rajab. Abu Raja' added: When the Prophet sent with (Allah's) Message, I was a boy working as a shepherd of my family camels. When we heard the news about the appearance of the Prophet, we ran to the fire, i.e. to Musailima al-Kadhdhab.

paxonel:
where are your scriptures in support of these lies?
On the contrary,
Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;(meaning salvation is free: just say it thats all)

Also,

Hebrews 11:6,But without faith it is impossible to please God....

Have it that in as much that christ do not condone sin, he is equally not willing to condemn sinners.

I understand why you people will always keep deceiving gullible nigerians, you want them to keep having the impression that works matters in their salvation thereby putting them at the mercy of church and pastors?

Na God go judge una

If you have a single sin in your life and you don't confess and forske them b4 your death here on earth , you will end in hell.
That is the truth. You cannot quote a part of the scripture and leave the rest .

I did not write these Scriptures :

Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the KINGDOM OF GOD .

A TRUE CHRIST DOES NOT SIN , IF HE DOES , HE SHOULD REPENT AND FORSAKE IT.

Romans 6:1-2 KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are DEAD TO SIM , live any longer therein?

alBHAGDADI:
How can your righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees? Do you even know the level of their righteousness for you to measure yours according to that?

What I see right there is Jesus stating that you can never know the level of righteousness needed to get you to heaven. As long as you can't know the level of righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, which you must surpass, then it is hopeless banking on righteousness to get you to heaven.

A way to save yourself the time wasting is to believe in Jesus.

This means Jesus did not know that our righteousness can exceed those of the Pharisees , according to you.

Our righteousness can and must exceed those of the Pharisees :
1, The Pharisees don't commit adultery but used to lust . To them it was not a sin , but a christian must not commit adutrey and must not lust after a woman.

2, A Pharisees could divorce his wive but a christian cannot except in a case of fornication.

3, A Pharisees can retarliate when you slap him but a christian cannot ........

These are example of our righteousness exceeding those of the Pharisees.

Matthew 5:20-22,27-28,31-32,38-39,43-45 KJV

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. [21] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. [27] Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. [31] It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: [32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. [38] Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

alBHAGDADI:
Yes, Jesus came to call sinners to repentance, but did he say those who are righteous are already candidates of heaven?

Yes, all those sins can prevent one from making heaven. But the blood of Jesus whom one believes in is what makes atonement for our sins. Or can you mention one man who is without sin? The Bible says "all have sinned". And there is no righteous person on earth. No matter how righteous you are, the Bible says our righteousness are as filthy rags before God. I'm now surprised that you believe filthy rags and Jesus Christ are what you need to make heaven. It's only Jesus you need. Salvation is as easy as drinking water because Jesus has done the hard part on the cross. All we need now is to believe in that sacrifice. That is the good news, it the type that says Jesus will save you but you have to not sin. Can you go a day without sin?

Faith without works is dead. Do you even understand what that statement means? It's saying that we should try to show the fruit of our faith in Jesus. If we don't show it, then it means it is not active. This doesn't mean you lack faith, it is just not bearing fruit.

Please , I beg you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ , discard this your belief , if you don't , it will lead you to hell.

It is true that the Bible says "our righteousness is like a filthy rage " , and also says " all have sinned ......" , but these verses were for those who lived b4 the death of Jesus on the cross.
They could not attain that holiness because the Holy Spirit was not living in them.

Jesus said we need to be righteous and live a holier life than those who were b4 us , so that our righteousness shall not be like a "filthy rag":

Matthew 5:20 KJV
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Tell me what the above scripture means.

alBHAGDADI:
All what you said is correct except the bold part. Yes, living a holy life is good, but that isn't what gets you or prevents you from entering heaven. What you are preaching is salvation based on works, which is wrong.

Believe in Jesus Christ is all you need for eternal salvation. Living a holy life is what you need to avoid our loving Father's punishment on earth, because he corrects whom he loves. If you say you don't want to live a holy life and you go about stealing, you will end up in jail. Is that what you want?

Once Saved Always Saved.

Is that so ?

What then does our Lord meant by saying this :
Luke 5:32 KJV
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Didn't Paul know that the punishment for sin ends on earth when he wrote these :

Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

What about these verses?
James 2:17-20 KJV
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

If you have faith in Jesus Christ , you will live a holy life

paxonel:
do you realize that christianity is the heaven the bible was referring to,Meaning all christians are already in heaven irrespective of who they are, and all non christians are already in hell?

We are saved by faith and not by works.

The faith you practice is the criteria, jesus says i am the way, mohammed or founder of any other faith apart from the christian faith can never be the way.

Don't be deceived , faith alone does not save. It is just the entrance point or gate to your spiritual journey.

An adulterer with Big faith in God will land in hell in a big way.

Dangote or not , no Muslim can make heaven and no sinner christian can make heaven either , be you Pastor or a General overseer.

Anyone who does not accept the sacrifice of the death of Jesus on the cross , give his life to him and live holy , cannot make heaven.

The Pastor is right and he knows what he is saying. Heaven is not interested in your wealth or poverty , heaven is after how you live your life here on earth.

This Freeze of a guy is nothing but an attention seeker. He knows nothing about Christianity and God.

Goong:
Is d@ no one knows about Renmoney

It is real. The coy lends money to salary earners in relation to the balance shown on your payslips.
You will also be required to produce your bank statements.

They deduct their money through a bank standing order b4 you get your salary .

My advice this , if you have something to sell to get money , do so , instead of borrowing because you will have to pay back almost double of what you borrowed.

FreshGreen:
When you fast and pray to be delivered from powers of darkness, that is good. but after fasting and praying, do you have faith that God has delivered you? Then why repeating the prayer points every time? It means you pray out of fear not out of faith. Faith believes and receive. Some have be praying same prayer points for years, they are never delivered for 20 years, still praying to be delivered; they will never be delivered until they pray by faith not by fear.

That is an exaggeration. How many of them told you their problems persisted despite their fastings and prayers?

You don't have to tell grown up men or women to stop praying the same prayer points when there is no answer.
It is just like an unbelievers asking you why you pray every time because God should have answered you the first time you prayed to him. There are so many things to pray for and against on a daily basis.
Jesus our Lord and God told us this :

Luke 18:1 KJV
And he spake a parable unto them to this end , that men ought always to pray, and not to faint;

1 Thessalonians 5:16-17 KJV
Rejoice evermore. [17] Pray without ceasing.

adelee777:
People need to pray, but not out of fear like many pastors induce them to. They need to pray with faith in God and not fear of the devil.

When you pray that the powers of darkness assigned to destroy you should fall down and die , is that a sign of fear or boldness?

When you fast and pray to be delivered from powers of darkness , does that mean you are afraid ?

FreshGreen:
THE BONDAGE OF DELIVERANCE
You know what? Believing that the activities of witchcraft can work against God in your life that now makes you to watch yourself instead of God watching over you, that you careful not to go to barber shops so they will not use your hair against your destiny, you are not careful in helping people, you can't give use clothes or shoes you don't need so they will not use it against you, and all that. Now you can't free give or live freely in Christ.

You know what? You are under the bondage of Satan than you think, you need deliverance from the "deliverance of fire and fall down and die"

The "so called" deliverance you got from "enemy die" and "enemy suspicious life" has actually put you in bondage of fear and slavery. Now you need to experience the real deliverance that comes by the word of God, not by marathon fasting and prayer.

You can see that since you have been going for such deliverance, listening to such deliverance messages and praying such deliverance prayers, you are more afraid, more suspicious of people, even of your own mother or spouse, you are not as free as you were before, you cannot freely live, at any little situation, you are afraid, thinking it is attack from enemies who have refused to die by fire. You can't even testify of the goodness of God in your life, maybe in the church or in your preaching, because you believe the enemies are more powerful than God who did the miracle for you.

Is this how you want to continue living your life? Is this the freedom and liberty Jesus went to cross to purchase for us? Is this how you will continue living in fear and being suspicious of people and eventually make you to be disqualified of heaven? Or don't you know that wrong accusation or being suspicious of people wrongly in a frivolous way is a sin?

Now, are you ready to be free indeed? Are you ready to experience total freedom of our Lord Jesus Christ? The rededicate your life to Jesus, live for Him, read the word of God and believe it with all your earth more than the messages of "enemies activities"

Only the Word of God can set you free and that can make us live a victorious and fearless Christian life in Jesus.

"For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." 2 Timothy 1:7.

God bless you!

RTEM: rtemoutreach.org

Which means , people don't need to pray , is that not so ?

Inception:
my brother, i pity anyone who cares less about how this religion started.

Yes , the origin or foundation of one's religion is very important to avoid the deception of Satan. Even in Christianity nowadays , there are so many false churches and satanic pastors . But I am not surprised , we have been warned :

Matthew 7:13-15 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.
[15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Thanks for your care .

Inception:
I've never heard of Bridgite Gabriel. But damn! What a woman!



Numbers don’t lie.

Muslim takeover of populations fast and faster than the spread of some diseases. The media uses terms that are designed to turn your stomach like a Homophobe, Islamophobia, indicating there is a fear of causing opposition. It’s manipulation that is subtle and accusative. The media figured out that people actually change their position when accused so they use it like a Plummer uses a pipe-wrench.

With Islam, there is a good reason to be deeply concerned. But first, let’s look at the numbers of how the Muslim community expands.
Before there is an expansion, the Christians first need to be disarmed of their Bibles and beliefs.


When a country has a Muslim population at 2% or less, the Muslim population is dormant and docile.

When their population in a country reaches 2-5%, they begin recruiting from minorities and jails and street gangs.

5% and up, they exercise an inordinate influence on civilization. For instance, will push for the introduction of Halaal food thereby securing food preparation jobs by Muslims in accordance with Sharia Law. They’ll increase pressure on Super Market Chains to feature Halaal food on the shelves along with threats for failure to comply.

At 10% there is increased lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we’re already seeing mass car burnings. Any non-Muslim actions that offend Islam result in uprisings and threats such as the Charlie Hebdo massacre, also in Paris. Such tensions occur daily particularly in 5 countries with a Muslim population over 10% like Russia (15%), Israel (16%), India (13.4%), Kenya(10%), and Guyana (10%).

20% - At 20% saturation, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, Jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burning of Christian Churches and Jewish Synagogues such as has happened in Ethiopia.
RXB
40% - At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare. Currently occurring in Bosnia, Chad, and Lebanon.

60% - At 60% nations witness unfettered persecutions of unbelievers (that would be me and you), of all other religions, including non-conforming Muslims, sporadic ethnic cleansing, use of Sharia Law as a weapon and attacks placed on infidels. (There’s a Muslim word for it I couldn’t spell).

80% - After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent Jihad. Some state-run ethnic cleansing and even some genocide as the nation drive out infidels and move toward 100% Muslim. 14 countries are currently at this proportion or is ongoing.

100% will issue are Muslim and the Koran is the only word. Bibles are illegal and if you think the media is manipulative now. Just wait.in the Islamic House of Peace. Here, there is supposed to be peace because everybody is Muslim and miserable.

Forget about Political Correctness, it's allowing our country to be taken from us.

Liberty is the right to choose. Freedom is the result of making the right choice. I've made mine. What are you going to do?

You are very correct .
Give them a step , they will take a kilometre violently.

BabaCommander:
I would like to know what you guys have to say about this, please.

JESUS

amaniro:
Idahosa is the most powerful Nigerian pastor seconded my Ayo babalola

ONLY GOD KNOWS WHO IS WHO .

He should go to God in prayers and repent .

Martinez19:
Yes it does. It is left for the listners to demand evidence and proof. Imagine if native doctors sued Olukoya for bad mouthing them and their deities as powerless and demonic.

What your reply means is that no court should welcome cases relating to slanderous statements . Am I right ?