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Martinez19:
Dr. Olukoya is just fooling himself. Being a god of man man of god doesn't mean people's freedom of speech must stop where your feelings beginning. OLEkoya.

Freedom of speach does not give you freedom to damage another's reputations.

Kenneth4u205:
those in the occult and deliverance ministries understand the significance of tattoo.I'm highly knowledgeable in both field .those in occult knows that every high level demons has a symbol you can use to summon it .This symbol is call SIGIL in the occult world or totem for those into witchcraft.But many ignorant people today draw this symbols on their body in the name of fashion .Usually done out of ignorance .When you draw a tattoo,You automatically attract the demons that is summoned with that symbol (SIGIL).the spirit then attached itself to that tattoo and start influencing you .my advise to anyone with tattoo is to seek deliverance.Once the spirit that owns that symbol is cast out ,the tattoo becomes an ordinary drawing since you can erase it physically

WHY DON'T YOU JUST OPEN A THREAD AND EDUCATE US ALL IN THIS REGARD AND YOUR EXPERIENCES IN THE OCCULT WITH LESSONS TO LEARN FROM THEM.

nwabekeyi:
you are trying to cherrypick the Bible quotations, going by your claim that people who have tattoo will go to hell with Leviticus, it means that same Leviticus says that people who have clean shaves or clean haircut will not make heaven also.

Which one is cherry or mango in this ? Am I the OP, who opened the thread and backed it up with Leviticus 19:28 ?

Secondly , the Bible did not say those with "clean shave or haircut " will not make heaven.

This is what the Bible says :


Leviticus 19:27 KJV
Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.

THIS MEANS , DO NOT SHAVE AND LEAVE HAIR IN THE CENTRE OF YOUR HEAD AND DONT MUTILATE THE CORNER OF YOYR BEARD.

Shave and maintain the shape of the hair on your head as given by God.

It shows he is possessed by unclean spirits .

nwabekeyi:
this same Leviticus 19 vs 27
."'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard"

Does it mean those shape their facial hair will go hell? Because I'm 100% sure you and your pastor also do it..

MY PASTOR DOES NO SUCH THINGS NEITHER DO I.

THE THREAD IS ABOUT TATTOOS AND CUTTINGS IN THE FLESH NOT HAIR STYLES.

Let's see what the Bible says b4 we jump into conclusions :

Leviticus 19:28 KJV
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord .


Tribal marks are cuttings in the flesh , but not cuttings for the dead.
Also , tribal marks are given to children by parents without the consents of the children. This makes those with the marks to be exonerated from that sin , in case it is sinful.

But "tattoos" is printing of marks on the skin , which is against the commandment of God , and it is mostly done by a grown up person willingly.

It is the LOVE OF MONEY that is the root of all evil.

1 Timothy 6:10 KJV
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

spongeisback:
The fact that this man is a doctor makes this more disappointing. Religion sha! It makes even the wisest dumb.

Your own case is worse , because you are spiritually dumb , and since the spiritual rules the physical , you are both physically and spiritually dumb.

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Only a mad man would say there is no God.

Thank you for this message , God bless you.

PASTOR, HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN WHAT IS WRITTEN IN :

1 Corinthians 6:16-19 KJV
What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
[17] But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
[18] Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[19] What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1 Corinthians 3:17 KJV

[17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

I DAY IS COMING WHEN THEY WILL STOP BY FORCE ;

WHEN A TRAILER OR HEAVY VEHICLE WITH A BRAKE FAILURE SCATTERS THEM , THEY WILL LEARN AND THE FEDERAL GOVT WILL REACT BY PASSING LAW AGAINST SUCH BARBARIC ACTS.

OUR GOVT IS NOT SERIOUS , IT REACTS TO SITUATIONS INSTEAD OF BEING PROACTIVE , AFTER LIVES AND PROPERTIES WILL HAVE BEEN WASTED.

Abdulgaffar22:
@ enilove
Get me clear very well. This is my point of argument; If Jesus crucifixion(J/C) is THE ONLY WAY to salvation for both the Old and the New Testament believers, then J/C must definitely had effect on the Old Testament believers like Abraham, Moses, Isaac and the likes. But there is no way for the J/C to have any effect on them while they were on the surface of the earth because they have lived and died BEFORE the J/C. Therefore, the only thing left for the J/C to act upon is their souls. My question now goes thus; Can you show us a verse to prove that J/C has definitely affected their souls POSITEVELY in one way or the other.
I did not say these Old Testament believers are already in heaven neither did I say they have already entered paradise. What I asked you to do is to show us ONE biblical verse to prove that the souls of Old Testament believers were in a certain state BEFORE J/C, and that they are now in a BETTER state AFTER J/C; Just prove that J/C has improved the condition of the souls of the Old Testament believers in one way or the other.
But unfornately, the biblical passage you brought did not prove any thing like that because it did NOT EVEN MENTION Jesus crucifixion. In fact, the passage seems to support my argument rather than yours. I have brought this passage frm the beginning using NKJV so that we can clearly read it again . Pls read below;
The Rich Man and Lazarus
19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h ]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i ] the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he LIFTED UP HIS EYES and saw Abraham AFAR OFF, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am TORMENTED in THIS FLAME.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is COMFORTED and you are TORMENTED. 26 And besides all this, BETWEEN us and you there is a GREAT GULF FIXED so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’ 27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”
You can see that even AT THE TIME OF MOSES( verse 29- 31), the SEPERATION of the righteous from the wicked by a GREAT GULF has taken place. Lazarus is in the bossom of Abraham receiving a certain form of "COMFORT"( verse 25) while the rich man is being TORMENTED in a flame(verse 24) We can see that Lazarus has attained a certain state of salvation. It is just a matter of time that remained for him to enter the paradise on the day of general resurrection. But the rich man has received the condemnation by being tormented in the flame of fire. All this is happening BEFORE the alleged Jesus crucifixion. Have you now agreed that Jesus crucifixion has contributed NOTHING to the COMFORT OF SALVATION received by Lazarus and all other righteous Old testament believers. Therefore Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. If this is true, then there is alternative way to salvation. And if there is alternative way to salvation, then God must have answered Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be taken away from him in three different consecutive times (Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion as confirmed by the Qur'an.
But if you want to argue further that despite the COMFORT OF SALVATION that Lazarus received in the bossom of Abraham, there is still need for Jesus crucifixion to make him and all other Old Testament believers to MOVE from "THIS STATE OF COMFORT" to "ANOTHER STATE OF COMFORT" in paradise, then it is now left for you to BRING A BIBLICAL EVIDENCE to support your stand.
I have seen your question. I will definitely answer you. But let us through with this issue of Jesus crucifixion. Thanks.

THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN GRASP THIS WITHOUT PROMP ANSWER FROM YOU.

You want to know the spiritual state of those who dead b4 coming and crucifixion of Jesus?

I have answered you b4 and I am going to answer you by asking you this simple question. If you can answer me correctly , then , the answer will be opened to you.

THE QUESTION IS :

WHAT IS THE NEED FOR GOD SENDING ANOTHER PROPHET TO THE WORLD AFTER MOSES ?

OR IN ANOTHER FORM .

WHY DID MOSES SAY THIS :

Deuteronomy 18:15 KJV
The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

SINCE YOU SAID THE CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS DID NOT SERVE ANY PURPOSE FOR THE OLD PROPHETS , WHAT PURPOSE WILL THE EXPECTED PROPHET SERVE , AS PER THE ABOVE ?

The 3 questions are one.

Emusan:
The sinful nature came when he disobeyed God, that's why he can die before Adam wasn't created to die.



Then who told you he wasn't created pure?
Was your jibril created pure by Allah before disobeying Allah?



This us how you'll know that copy what you don't have knowledge of could be so disastrous.

If Allah created you just to be sinning and die, so that he could proof that he is allforgiving. What will now happen to his attribute of Allforgiving after the judgement day?

If we didn't inherent it from Adam. I ask again, what is then the CONSEQUENCE of Adam sin we are still suffering from today?
Don't ignore my question again if not I won't reply you.



Another misinterpretation of Jesus' statement.
What Jesus meant here is that Children INNOCENT ATTITUDE. Children have Adamic nature of death that's why they can die too.



Another gross error from Qur'an
Why then Allah created Adam and put him in a garden in paradise? So you mean sin can dwell together with Allah in paradise...Nice one!

Since Adam was created with a sinful nature and Allah can live with sin, why can't Allah take everyone on earth to paradise with their sinful nature?

What is the purpose of resurrection for those that died?
Is it not to get a new nature without sin and death?

You see the reason why I said Muslims and Qur'an lack spiritual understanding.

VERY GOOD ANSWER .

The Op, is seeking for the truth , which is very very okay.

I just hope you can convince him cos I have tried severally in the past , all to no avail. But you are hitting the nail on the head more than I do.

Keep up the good work , God bless you.

haryor14:
Just want to confirm from God before proposing to her

That is okay .

Abdulgaffar22:
@enilove
You wrote;
"All the old believers who were righteous and never heard about Jesus Christ were not condemned . They were given opportunity to accept Jesus after his death :
John 5:28-30 KJV
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation...."
This is my reply;
The verse John 5:28-30 you quoted up there was talking about the general resurrection of ALL in the grave on the day of judgement ( read it again) . It is irrelevant to our discussion. So what do you actually mean by saying "they were given opportunity to accept Jesus after his death" ? Are you saying All the Old Testament believers have come back to this world in their second time to accept Jesus ? Including Abraham, Moses and the likes ? You jokes too much!
If all the old believers who were righteous and never heard about Jesus Christ were not condemned as you just admitted, then Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. Do you agree? If you did not agree then show us ONE biblical verse to prove that the souls of all Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion.
But if you agree that Jesus crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation, then there is alternative way to salvation. And if there is alternative way to salvation, then God must have answered Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of crucifixion to be taken away from him in three different consecutive times(Matthew 26:36-44). Therefore, Jesus must have escaped the crucifixion as confirmed by the Qur'an.
Again, you said "it was Jesus himself that laid down his own life voluntarily. It was not God that kill and curse him". But according to you Christians, who demanded for the death and crucifixion of Jesus at first instance? Who was the master planner of the whole plan. Was He not God according to what you believe ?
My brother I can perceived that you have seen the truth. It is now left for you to return back to Islam before you die.

Before the death of Jesus , the righteous like , Abraham Isaac etc were not in heaven but underneath the earth beside hell .They were not worthy to proceed to heaven. They were kept there pending the death of Jesus :

Luke 16:22-31 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; [23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. [24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. [25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. [26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. [27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: [28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. [29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. [30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. [31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

VERSE 26 SAYS "THERE IS A GREAT GULF FIXED.....

John 3:13-15 KJV
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: [15] That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


Read these scriptures very carefully . Those old Prophets salvation were not perfected then. That "Abraham's bosom " was not a paradise but a place free of torment.

CAN YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION , WHY WAS THERE A NEED FOR ANOTHER PROPHET OR CHRIST AFTER MOSES?

haryor14:
How do I know she is the right woman for me to marry?

By praying.
The prayer might work and it might not work since you have decided to pick one by yourself b4 praying to God .

It might not also work if you have been committing fornication with her .

There is no amount of tests you can give a human being that will make you to know the true colour of the person .

It is only God that knows who is good and right for you.

Jeremiah 17:9 KJV
The heart is deceitful above all things , and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Abdulgaffar22:
@enilove
1. So all the Old Testament believers (who did not have the slightest opportunity of even hearing the name "Jesus" talkless of believing in him and his alleged crucifixion) have already condemned ? Right?
If they are not condemned, then Jesus and his crucifixion is NOT the only way to salvation. And if you insist that Jesus crucifixion is indispensable for the salvation of all these Old Testament believers, then show us one verse, JUST ONE biblical verse, to prove that they were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion.
2. What did God REALLY want from Jesus crucifixion ? What EXACTLY did He want to gain from Killing and cursing His only beloved and righteous son ? To satisfy His own Justice ? Where is the justice in killing and cursing a righteous soul? To demonstrate His love for us ? What about the old testament believers that have died before Jesus crucifixion? How can they know about this love talkless of feeling it in their heart ? To deliver us from the bondage of Satan? Did old testament believers who lived and died before the cucifixion need not to be delivered from the bondage of satan ? So tell us what EXACTLY did God want from Jesus crucifixion.
PLS for the sake of God respond to these two points

1)
All the old believers who were righteous and never heard about Jesus Christ were not condemned . They were given opportunity to accept Jesus after his death :

John 5:28-30 KJV
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
[30] I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

2)
God did not kill or curse His son.
Jesus himself volunteered to die for us because of his love for us .
Jesus died and rose up on the third day .

John 10:17-18 KJV
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

It is the flesh that dies , the spirit doesn't die . This means for ETERNITY the spirit will be in pain unending. There is no dying in hell but everlasting suffering which is worst than the first death. God knows this and has there4 made a way of escape for you and I.

Revelation 20:11-15 KJV
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Empiree:
You're truly becoming insane now. Ghosh, i thought you were very intelligent?. You mean to tell me God cannot preserve physical body of human?. You have never been to museums?. You have never witnessed human body exhumed decades after burial and still intact?. Bro, you are very ridiculous. Pharaoh's body was discovered around 1881 through early 1890s thousands of years after he drowned.

His soul is kept with Allah to either enjoy or punished. The body is made as a sign of Allah for the people who live like him.

The Egyptians had been been embalming their corpses before the death of Pharaoh and even after him. This was not the work of Allah .

There is a clear difference between the word SAVE and PRESERVATION .

I would not have replied you in anyway especially when you have stated to CURSE because of mere argument.

I don't curse people because God makes me to know that it is not wise :

Psalm 109:17-18 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
[18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

This means that curse of insanity is not mine . You need to go and pray so that God can cancel that curse from your head.

Empiree:
You are becoming very silly now. With everything as clear as daylight in front of you, you are asking silly questions knowing too well in your heart you are deceiving yourself. I understand what both of you are doing. You are using outdated evangelical tactics which further make you guys silly. I will stop responding to both of you soon. You are doing this just because you can't defend your religion. You can't tell us why Jesus is God and Son of God at the same time. So it is irrelevant answering you any further untill you can make sense out of yourself. I will only reply your second dude when I get on my regular pc.

For record, according to the verse you quoted, it says God would preserve physical body of pharaoh. So here is his physical body showing he's dead like a smoked fish. This is the evidence and my answer to your silly question

Who is silly between you and I ?

How can his physical body be saved , when his spirit and soul are gone? What is the need for that?
What is God going to do with his physical body ?

This means had Allah actually saved him , the verse would have been written NOW WE WILL SAVE YOUR SPIRIT , isn't it ?

Why defending a lie. Was the first muslim, Adam , Abraham , Jacob , Moses , some Egyptians , Muhammad . Which of them really was the first?
You can't continue to defend those lies in the Quran , you there4 concluded the best thing is to abuse me and take a leave .

WHY COULDN'T YOU TELL US , THE REASON BEHIND THE BURNING OF THE FIRST BATCH OF QURAN ?

WAS IT BECAUSE OF SATANIC EVIDENCES THEREIN ? LIKE THIS :

Allah SWT says:

وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], SATAN threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which SATAN throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj: Verse 52)

لِّيَجْعَلَ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِتْنَةً لِّلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ مَّرَضٌ وَالْقَاسِيَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ ۗ وَإِنَّ الظّٰلِمِينَ لَفِى شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ
"[That is] so He may make what SATAN throws in a trial for those within whose hearts is disease and those hard of heart. And indeed, the wrongdoers are in extreme dissension."
(QS. Al-Hajj: Verse 53)

MUHAMMAD COULD NOT DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOD'S REVELATIONS AND SATANIC REVELATION.

Do you think it was God Almighty that told him to retain all the pre slamic pagan rituals? No , he himself was a pagan in disguise.

Monotheism does not mean someone is truly worshiping God :
James 2:19-20 KJV
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

BUT MUHAMMAD TAUGHT OTHERWISE :

Volume 9, Book 93, Number 579:
Sahih Bukhari :
Narrated Abu Dharr:

The Prophet said, Gabriel came to me and gave me the glad tidings that anyone who died without worshipping anything besides Allah, would enter Paradise. I asked (Gabriel), 'Even if he committed theft, and even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, '(Yes), even if he committed theft, and even if he Committed illegal sexual intercourse."

That is the deceit of the devil to deceive Muslims into thinking, all that heaven requires is worshipping of Allah .

WHAT IS THE USE OF THE STAR AND CRESCENT SIGNS MUSLIMS PUT ON THEIR MOSQUE TOPS?

Truly , I don't need your untruthful response.

true2god:
Con as in how? Hope you didnt get carried away with my asalama lekum! I was making a point you can't refute.

Can you show me the ayah you have the shahada in the quran? I asked you of Islamic practices that are only exclusive to to Quran. The answer is none.

If you show me the shahada in the Qur'an I will become a Muslim now.

salama lekum!

You are right , the Muslims can lie without ceasing . They don't think twice.

My other reply was meant for him . I did not imagine him to say someone was cunning when that is his tactics.

Well done bro.

Empiree:
WHo are you trying to con, eehen? Shahada, salat, sadaqat, righteous good deeds are day-to-day practices

Walaikum salaam

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Empiree:
Kikikikiki I laughed in spanglish ;DDont bring Judas nonsense here. Go and address it in that thread. Both passages of your bible gave complete different accounts and you are here trying to fault Quran?. You are a joke. Both verses are saying the same thing. He died in the sea while chasing Moses and his people depending on how you express it. But Bible accounts of Judas's death are completely opposite to each other.

Try again ENi

SHOW ME WHERE THE BELOW SURAH SAYS PHAROAH DIED.


Surah 10 :90-92 :
1)
Allah SWT says:
وَجٰوَزْنَا بِبَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتّٰىٓ إِذَآ أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ ءَامَنْتُ أَنَّهُ ۥ لَآ إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِىٓ ءَامَنَتْ بِهِۦ بَنُوٓا إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ وَأَنَا۠ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
"And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims.""
(QS. Yunus: Verse 90)
ءَآلْئٰنَ وَقَدْ عَصَيْتَ قَبْلُ وَكُنْتَ مِنَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
"Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters?"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 91)
فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ ءَايَةً ۚ وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ ءَايٰتِنَا لَغٰفِلُونَ
"So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 92)
* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B


BUT THIS ONE SAYS HE DIED IN THE SEA :

Allah SWT says:
وَقَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ يٰٓأَيُّهَا الْمَلَأُ مَا عَلِمْتُ لَكُمْ مِّنْ إِلٰهٍ غَيْرِى فَأَوْقِدْ لِى يٰهٰمٰنُ عَلَى الطِّينِ فَاجْعَل لِّى صَرْحًا لَّعَلِّىٓ أَطَّلِعُ إِلٰىٓ إِلٰهِ مُوسٰى وَإِنِّى لَأَظُنُّهُ ۥ مِنَ الْكٰذِبِينَ
"And Pharaoh said, "O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars.""
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 38)
وَاسْتَكْبَرَ هُوَ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ فِى الْأَرْضِ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ وَظَنُّوٓا أَنَّهُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا يُرْجَعُونَ
"And he was arrogant, he and his soldiers, in the land, without right, and they thought that they would not be returned to Us."
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 39)
فَأَخَذْنٰهُ وَجُنُودَهُ ۥ فَنَبَذْنٰهُمْ فِى الْيَمِّ ۖ فَانْظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عٰقِبَةُ الظّٰلِمِينَ
"So We took him and his soldiers and threw them into the sea. So see how was the end of the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 40)

ANYONE VIEWING THIS WILL KNOW HOW YOU MUSLIMS CAN LIE WITHOUT REMORSE OR SHAME.

It is unfortunate that the practice of Tagiyyah cannot say anyone.

Is this not a contradiction ?

Abdulgaffar22:
If the whole world is facing the curse of God on
Adam, then has that curse come to end after Jesus crucifixion since Jesus was accursed on our behalf according to Gal 3:13?

Yes , for only those who accept him :

John 3:17-19 KJV
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Abdulgaffar22:
why do we need to repent for the sin of Adam when the Bible declare that "the son will not bear the iniquity of the father" (Deut 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20, Jeremiah 31:30 etc).
According to the Quran, Adam and Eve have asked for forgiveness and repentace for their sins(Quran 7:23) and God has forgiven them(Quran 2:37).

Don't you know that there is always punishment for every sin?
God may forgive , but the sinners will still pay for the sin one way or the other. The consequence may be reduced because of the mercy of God , but he will surely pay for it in one way or the other.

For example :
2 Samuel 12:5-14 KJV
And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: [6] And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. [7] And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul; [8] And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things. [9] Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord , to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon. [10] Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife. [11] Thus saith the Lord , Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun. [12] For thou didst it secretly: but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun. [13] And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the Lord . And Nathan said unto David, The Lord also hath HATH PUT AWAY THY SIN ; thou shalt not die. [14] Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

The whole world is facing the curse of God on Adam . Although some people were not sinners , still they faced the judgement of death which God placed upon Adam by eating the forbidden fruit.

Unfortunately , a curse goes straight into the blood of the accursed . It is only a blood pure that does not come from the generation of Adam \man that can restore man to ETERNAL LIFE. A pure blood without blemish.

Empiree:
Listen, Quran is the ONLY absolute REVEALATION. And I said it is a PRIMARY source. I never told you it is the only source. There are only two sources, Quran & Hadith(second source). Seerat(biography) is what is written about you which may contain inaccurate information about you. Besides, we are only using Qur'an and Bible here. You guys are the ones sniffing around. In that case, I have the right to use or cite references from your bible studies which include history books outside of the Bible.



we never told you that ENTIRE Bible is corrupt. We said Bible is mixed up with falsehood and truth. That's why we use Quran as standard criteria to figure out truth that is in harmony with Quran. However, falsehood therein overshadows the truth.

Example of this manifested earlier when the two guys can not give us accurate identity of Jesus. You have been here for long too and none of you guys can give us identity of Jesus without mixing nonsense with it. This is the reason you always look in to Ibn Ishaq for CONVINIENCE. Quran is the only absolute truth. Neither Hadith nor seerah is 100 accurate.

Anytime we debate Christians we use Quran vs Bible 85% of the time, untill you guys start sticking your nose in the Hadith which happened here anytime you guys can't defend yourselves.

The 2 Biblical account of death of Judas are not contradictory in that both accounts confirmed that Judas died . What can really be considered contradictory is by saying he died in one account and did not die in another account , like what is in the Quran :

The Quran tells us that Pharaoh was saved in the Red Sea and did not drown. Surah 10 :90-92 :
1)
Allah SWT says:
وَجٰوَزْنَا بِبَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتّٰىٓ إِذَآ أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ ءَامَنْتُ أَنَّهُ ۥ لَآ إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِىٓ ءَامَنَتْ بِهِۦ بَنُوٓا إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ وَأَنَا۠ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
"And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims.""
(QS. Yunus: Verse 90)
ءَآلْئٰنَ وَقَدْ عَصَيْتَ قَبْلُ وَكُنْتَ مِنَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
"Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters?"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 91)
فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ ءَايَةً ۚ وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ ءَايٰتِنَا لَغٰفِلُونَ
"So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 92)
* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

The same Quran also tells us that Pharaoh was not saved but drowned :
2)
Allah SWT says:
وَقَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ يٰٓأَيُّهَا الْمَلَأُ مَا عَلِمْتُ لَكُمْ مِّنْ إِلٰهٍ غَيْرِى فَأَوْقِدْ لِى يٰهٰمٰنُ عَلَى الطِّينِ فَاجْعَل لِّى صَرْحًا لَّعَلِّىٓ أَطَّلِعُ إِلٰىٓ إِلٰهِ مُوسٰى وَإِنِّى لَأَظُنُّهُ ۥ مِنَ الْكٰذِبِينَ
"And Pharaoh said, "O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars.""
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 38)
وَاسْتَكْبَرَ هُوَ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ فِى الْأَرْضِ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ وَظَنُّوٓا أَنَّهُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا يُرْجَعُونَ
"And he was arrogant, he and his soldiers, in the land, without right, and they thought that they would not be returned to Us."
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 39)
فَأَخَذْنٰهُ وَجُنُودَهُ ۥ فَنَبَذْنٰهُمْ فِى الْيَمِّ ۖ فَانْظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عٰقِبَةُ الظّٰلِمِينَ
"So We took him and his soldiers and threw them into the sea. So see how was the end of the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 40)

It wouldn't have been considered a contradiction if one surah had said "Pharaoh was "found floating on the sea dead" and another surah saying "found dead on the sea shore".

But this very Quran is the liar , a book written by man-hammad
and not God.

Can you see why it is not good to jump into conclusion without being sure of what you are doing?

If the Quran were perfect , there wouldn't have been need to support it with hearsays ( Hadiths ).

We have proved to you the idolatry in Islam and its fake or Google revelations and now , a plain contradiction and lie.

What else is there for you to learn b4 you accept Jesus Christ who raised the dead , healed the sick , created a bird from mud and died for our sins to give us eternal life ?
Jesus does not belong to anyone but to everyone.

Abdulgaffar22:
Yes I believe. Unrepentant sinners will go to hell

How can someone repents of the sin of Adam ?

Abdulgaffar22:
According to Quran, you can only die once( Quran 23:99-100)

After that death , where would the sinners be or go?

Abdulgaffar22:
What do you mean by second death?

Second death is , after someone dies in this world , there is another judgement that will determine his or her final destination.

Do you believe in that ?

Abdulgaffar22:
The Jews are not only expecting Christ.They are expecting THREE personalities. Elijah, Christ and "That Prophet" (See John 1:19-25). According to Jesus, Elijah has come in the spirit of John the baptist. Again Jesus Christ has come. Then who was "That prophet" ?

Regarding your Isaiah 53, what is the view of the Jews on this chapter? Do they understand it the way the Christians understood it ? Pls go and make research on this. Besides, the way you Christians understand this chapter is incompatable with the rest of the hebrew scriptures. Read what is written below:

The sins of the sinners CANNOT be laid upon the righteous;
"The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son. THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS shall be upon him, and the WICKEDNESS OF THE WICKED shall be upon him" (Ezekiel 18:20). Remember, this verse completely NULLIFY the main christian ideology which says : "the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon the righteous (i:e all the sin of sinners shall be laid upon Jesus Christ-2 Corinthians 5:21, 1Peter 2:24, Hebrew 9:28)".
One important question need to be answered;
If the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him (as the verse above declare) and NOT upon the righteous (as the Christians use to claim), then how can the wicked be saved and not die as a result of his wickedness ?
Again, the book of Ezekiel answer this question;
"Son of man, say to the Israelites; this is what you are saying: our offenses and sins weigh us down, and we are wasting away because of them. How then can we live? Say to them: as surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! TURN FROM YOUR EVIL WAYS! Why will you die, people of Israel? Therefore, son of man say to your people… if someone, one who is wicked, REPENTS, that person’s former wickedness will not bring condemnation… And if I say to the wicked person, you will surely die, but they then TURN FROM THEIR SINS and do what is just and right…follow the decree that gives life, and do no evil--THAT PERSON WILL SURELY LIVE :THEY WILL NOT DIE. NONE OF THE SINS that person has committed will be remembered against them.They have done what is just and right; they will surely live (Ezekiel 33:10-16)".
Have you now seen that there is no need for the righteous to bear the sins of the sinners before the sinners can be saved and lived. The sinners can simply atone for their sins by REPENTANCE.
Jesus confirmed this truth when he said; I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE (Luke 5:32).

The death of Jesus on the cross is NOT neccessary; Old testament believers were able to gain salvation without Jesus crucifixion.
God can decide to forgive our sins and earn our salvation through SINCERE REPENTANCE (see Ezekiel 33:10-16 quoted above) coupled with ANNUAL ANIMAL SACRIFICE ;
"He is to lay both hands on the head of the live GOAT and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites—ALL THEIR SINS—and put them on the goat’s head. He shall send the GOAT away into the wilderness in the care of someone appointed for the task. The GOAT will carry on itself ALL THEIR SINS to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness....... .. Then, before the Lord, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS (Leviticus 16:21-30)"
Here we read in the last verse ; “Then before the LORD, you will be CLEAN FROM ALL YOUR SINS” (Leviticus 16:30). Yet the new Testament proclaimed that; " It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to TAKE AWAY SINS (Hebrew 10:4)". This is a flat contradiction. Is there any difference between "CLEAN FROM ALL SINS" and "TAKE AWAY SINS" ?
The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that the phrase "TAKE AWAY SINS" in Hebrews 10:4 implies "complete removal of humanity sinful nature" and NOT refering to "cleanliness from already committed sins". However, complete removal of humanity sinful nature is impossible as NOBODY can be completely FREE from committing sins (see 1 John1:8-10).
Therefore, Hebrew 10:4 is a great lie deliberately fabricated by Paul to weaken the atonement of sins through animal sacrifice and then justify atonement of sins through Jesus crucifixion.
Therefore, if the main purpose of Jesus crucifixion is to achieve forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins, then the death of Jesus on the cross IS NOT NECCESSARY; IT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY as claimed by the Christian scholars. God can decide to forgive our sins through sincere repentance or through animal sacrifice as He has done with the Old testament believers that lived and died before Jesus arrival.
You may want to argue that Jesus crucifixion make us entitle to many spiritual benefits that GO BEYOND forgiveness and cleanliness from our sins. But no matter how numerous the spiritual benefits that can be derived from Jesus crucifixion, there is no way for such benefits to be ACTUALIZED in the life of the Old Testament believers (like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah etc) because they have lived and died before Jesus arrival talkless of his supposed crucifixion. Yet these people manage to earn their salvation and reconcilation back to God (because there is no any biblical verse that says these Old Testament believers were in a certain state of condemnation after their death until the time of Jesus crucifixion). So if these old testament believers, who happened to be among the children of Adam, were able to gain their salvation without Jesus crucifixion, then there is alternative way also for the other children of Adam to gain their salvation WITHOUT Jesus crucifixion.

Let me ask you , Is there a second death or not ?

It is the devil's religion. No more no less .

true2god:
Give me your email address to forward you the e-copy of sirah rasool allahh by Mohammed ibn ishaq and the tafsir of the Koran by ibn Kathie.

oridamisi@gmail.com

Thanks , God bless you.

Empiree:
I'm not here for name calling. Why are you afraid to answer?. You should be confident enough to say yes or no if there is nothing like that in your bible. I simply want to analyze something base on your answer. That's all. Don't be afraid.

No , I don't agree.