₦airaland Forum

L0velyn:
jehova look down see what the world is turning into because of politics .....

Government need to take their evil eyes away from the church of God, they didn't appoint them a leader but God did....

This is truly the sign of end time devil ruling the world .... God please help us all

What will happen if the government start demanding an annual financial audit of all religious organizations?,you need to understand that the reason why many churches run roughshod and are financially reckless is because no one is regulating them,the church is not an earthly authority and therefore,it is subject to the government.

God2man:
Was it the Government that appointed them or God?

One of the tennets of Christianity,as taught by Christ is to obey the earthly government while we are on earth.
Yes God appointed them,but they must yield to government regulations that are reasonable,because christ beseeched us to do so.
If I had my way,all churches and islamic organizations will be providing annual financial audit to the ministry of finance to account for how they spend the money donated to them by the masses.
In fact,religious organizations will be classified under separate "non-business commercial entities" and taxes would be introduced.They should be able to contribute to our national development,not only spiritually but financially.

donnie:
This will affect nothing in some churches e.g. Christ Embassy. Pastor Chris is not the adminiatrative head of Christ Embassy whether in Nigeria or worldwide. He is the spiritual head.
Nevertheless, this government should be checked. They have started with adminatration and financing; they will soon attempt to regulate what, and where preaching is done by the churches. But the hand of God is against all such. And every tree which the Lord my God hath not planted shall be uprooted.

Laws must be followed,and frankly,there is nothing wrong with this FRC law; it only ensures transparency and accountability.The reason why there are many materialistic churches and imams today who dupe their members in the name of religion is because their was no government regulation to whip them in line.
You should also remember that christian politicians are part of the people who made this law,it isnt a presidential decree,so it has nothing to do with "witch hunting".

Anas09:
Like u said, that's your opinion. What you think of me doesnt count.

Funny that you now realize that my opinion of you doesnt count,after accusing me of devil worship and twisting the scriptures.
Anyway,its true enough that my opinion of you is inconsequential,and vice versa.

Anas09:
Yes, opinions are free even for those who claim to believe the Scriptures but seek to twist and pervert the truth it meant to project. Opinions are free sir.

Do enlighten me about the "perversions" I did.
Since you are such a pure fountain of knowledge,flowing straight out of the crystal sea on which dwells the throne of God; all men must take greedy gulps from your gushing spring of spiritual gnosis so as to discover the key to salvation.Why,you must be such an indispensible mortal asset in the hands of the celestial powers.

Anas09:
Why then are you bent on twisting obvious Scriptures? What you are doing will confuse those who don't know Scriptures. What is your motive in doing that?

You are trying to justify falsehood.

I'm shockingly unaware that I "twisted" the scripture anywhere in my posts.
Perhaps you should point out the where I did so.

Anas09:
Can you stop summersaulting Scriptures.

Were the Apostles afraid knowing it was Jesus walking on waters?

And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
Matthew:14:26

Why were their fears quailed when they knew it was their master?

You mean Peter, James and John were so terrified that they opted to build three tents for the Master, Moses and Elijah?

You want to have a reason to worship satan, you alresdy have, but keep away from misquoting scriptures to do that.

I would like to correct the notion that I'm a devil worshipper,though it amuses me that you think so.
As for your opinion,well,suit yourself.

Anas09:
Are you sick or something? Why will i be elated that he wants to kill himself? Just the way am here now pleading with this one not to embrace satan, LastChild was warned, pleaded with. All manner of things were said to him to persuade him not to go, he went, now he is out of control, whose fault is that? Very soon you'd blame God for not stopping him from jumping off the cliff.
You are rambling son, just go ahead and embrace satan already. When he comes calling, accuse people of being elated that you are running mad looking for means of escape even death.
If you don't have what to say, pls stay off my mention.

I bear no ill will,neither am I a devil worshipper like you have promptly concluded.I'm a christian who views matters of religion very objectively.
I percieve that you lost your sense of decorum because you felt my post was antagonistic,but in truth,I would hardly waste my effort on such a mundane task.
Of course,opinions are free,even for lunatics.

OLAADEGBU:
Why were there wars between Catholics and Protestants in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries?

It was a war of ideology; the catholics felt that the protestants were heretics,while the protestants saw the catholics as oppressive and hypocritic.
At a point,it became political,the pope had great influence and power over the thrones of most european kings,that power was being threatened by the growing protestant movement as some european rulers began to sway towards the protestants due to the desire of the royal families to reduce the powers of the pope in their territory.
Naturally,Rome responded rather violently and the protestants were motivated to take up arms too.

Scholar8200:
We are here referring to the Holy Spirit in Whose Presence there is liberty(what of love, joy peace?). The concluding part of the previous statement is based on 2 Corinthians 3:17. I'd rather base my Theology on the Word than your experience. Besides, all the while Jesus manifested God's Power, who fled away or cried in terror? Not man, but devils!

I guess the fear and terror that the disciples felt when they saw jesus walking on water was due to the fact that they were devils?....and when peter,james and john cowered in great fear after beholding the tranfiguration of christ(along with moses and elijah) on the mountain,that too was due to the presence of devils lurking around.

Oh my....we really need to contemplate the nature of the spiritual world.

Anas09:
Hahahahahahaha. This is spiritism/Spiritualism. I guess you don't know the difference between Spirituality and Spiritualism. These kids enh?

Na like this u go waka enter fire. Ask Lastchild. When he was running around here talking and seeking for these things, he was warned, what is happening to him today? He is contemplating suicide.

lol.

And you are wondrously elated that he is contemplating suicide....you must find it very amusing,right?

The nature of man is such that he takes hold of righteousness,and make of it a mirror for his own ideals,thus relecting his intents through a veil of godly benevolence.Out of religion,he fashions the cruelest weapon.

Scholar8200:
Watchman Nee said sth which I'll paraphrase: the baptism in the Spirit releases the spirit man to the realm of the spirit where you have the Holy Spirit, and also principalities and power. At this point, the believer needs great care as not every voice, feeling, impulse is of the Holy Spirit. I believe this is where we need the guidance of the Word. (find this in his book on Spiritual and Authoritative prayer).
Hence your persistent feeling of fear etc cannot be attributed to the Holy Spirit in Whose Presence there is liberty not a snare of fear. Besides, the constancy of feeling fear simply means it had nought to do with reverence of a Heavenly personality since the initial reaction of those that encountered them was usually dispelled immediately.
Apologies for digression.

The power of God induces fear,I mean raw fear.
Let us review the philosophical indoctrinations that we have contrived in our haste to "speak" for God.

KingEbukasBlog:
Where did I call you an atheist , even tacitly ?

The word "they" and the phrase "challenge their belief" seemed to indicate a subtle application of an unofficial collective noun in your sentence that could be translated to mean athiest.

KingEbukasBlog:
That's how they behave . They only question anything that challenges their beliefs and accept uncritically anything that doesn't challenge their beliefs

It amuses me that you assume i'm an athiest,a most erroneous conjecture,I assure you.
I did initiate a debate,but it seems that I will recieve no perspective of intellectual substance from the "knowledgeable" christians here.

In our quest to rationalize our fundamental ideology,let us take heed lest we fall into the snare of the hypocrisy we claim to oppose.

4everGod:
You need to stop being intellectually lazy when it comes to curiosity. Intelligence is something one seeks after. It does not just drop into ones lap. Your question has been repeatedly dealt with even here on NL so help yourself by going through this link.
https://www.nairaland.com/3499398/bible-correct-when-it-claims/1

I fear you mistake my intentions good sir,I have taken much liberty in perusing Nairaland's dusty religious archives in hopes of sating this little debate of mine.
However,none of the threads I have encountered(yours included) have been able to answer my question both intelligently and with spiritual accuracy.
What I discover is some christians giving roundabout essays that seem to curiously alternate between calling the first light jesus and later concluding it is infact the sun which would be created in the future.Then the athiests waltz in and point out the many flaws in those arguements,and then everything descends into a verbal brawl.

I think the point people are debating here seem to be whether the universe was caused or if it is simply an uncaused eternal entity.
Now,christians will say that the universe was caused by a first entity who dwells outside space and time,which is God.This claim however has a curious effect of triggering rigid skeptism from athiests who counter it by postulating that the universe is uncaused,and therefore there is no God.
Now,I will endeavor to restrain myself from this controversy,lest I get confronted with the business end of a verbal assualt.
However,I have an interesting question to ask,for educational purpose,so permit me to slightly derail.
According to the bible,"in the beginning,God made the heavens and the earth",but after discovering that there was darkness upon the deep,he conjured light.Now,we know that this "light" predates the creation of the sun(according to the bible,earth was created before other planets and heavenly bodies)
The question is,if this light wasnt the sun or moon,what was/is it?

Anas09:
Why the fear then? A positive presence will induce fear? Pls guy.

Do you not fear God?,does that mean God is "negative"?. It is the power of an entity that induces fear,not the nature(good or bad).

OP,there was a point where I too wondered about Nigeria's virtually non-existent tools of economic diplomacy,I eventually concluded that,like many other aspect of our nationhood,we have neglected in using economic diplomacy and international relations as soft power to protect our interests.
Nigeria has been governed by backward brains almost since independence; no vision,no ambition,no order,no stability and no intellect,only selfish politics that bears little coherence.
Anyway,as for South African economic interests in Nigeria; I have realized that it would be unfair to summarily accuse them of exploitation.Of course,dont get me wrong,they are indeed a bunch of thieving nicompoops,but really,what corporate venture isnt?.
To be fair,all these SA companies are operating in Nigeria's very harsh business environment where they all have to generate their own stable power all year round and contend with our abysmal infrastructure.In the end,it's we consumers that will suffer it because they have to make profit.

kahal29:
You are a liar.... Which top FG employee be that and from which agency precisely? Stop spreading false information... November salary wey we don chop clean mouth and now they wait for December own.

Which of the agencies do you work in?

I totally agree; even if we diversify through agriculture,we will have to face economic factors like value of our currency which would determine the cost of our exports abroad,we will have to contend with countries who have relatively cheaper exports.

I think we should focus on industry,all other sectors will experience a boom.

Nigeria seem to have set a new cascade in the history of African democracy.

Has November salary been paid yet?

Power is the ability to exert control/influence over the activities of any society.
Power is attractive because it provide a means for an individual or a group to exhibit direct controls over the affairs of the society.
Some see power as a tool to express ideals which they feel are in the interest of everyone else,while some see it as a pedestal for self aggrandization.

In my opinion,it is necessary to seek power,especially when you have something to offer or you are dissatisfied with the status quo; power is the only way to broadly exert change or transformation,either it is positive or otherwise.

I dont believe that power corrupts people,in my opinion,it is the person wielding the power that makes corrupt use of it.Power is just a social tool,not an entity or tangible force,therefore,power does not corrupt man,but it is man that make corrupt use of it.However,power can influence a person's personality or fundamental ideals,but not to the point of complete change; that part is an individual issue.

Jayceon:
....More South African Navy.....

Which South African Navy?

Jayceon:
ugly igbos are just upset because SA got movies that featured the likes of Whoopie Goldberg and the likes

They took "Holly" out of hollywood and replaced with their shïtty prefix "nolly"

Ugly wide nostril igbos don't know anything about creativity,they steal from others but they never produce quality

Eiyah....sorry
That same Nollywood is worth billions of dollars and contributes heavily to our GDP..
Sorry if your little weasely butt got hurt.

Jayceon:
SA movies win Oscars while jungle movies can only achieve that in a dream,but ugly igbos try to convince us that their "movies" are the best

We have been doing this since the 80s
Leon Shuster is a name to be hail

Do you mean SA actors or SA films?
Because SA movies are nowhere to be found in the world movie benchmark; only SA actors who work minor roles for Hollywood.
Or do you think Hollywood belong to your arid zulu wasteland?

Jayceon:
come on son!!! You know your "movies" are filmed with samsung E250 camera,I don't watch Jungle channels.....we got M net channels in SA (high quality channels)

I only watch SA and Hollywood movies
Keep your jungle noise in your west African slums

And as for sport,you can Simply Check medal table,you will see who is the best

I WONT LET UGLY IGBOS DISTORT HISTORY

SA has movies?,that must be new!

If you go the the cinema,you'd see high-class Nollywood movies,some of which features Hollywood and Bollywood actors.But of course,you live in south-west township where electricity is a luxury.

TonyeBarcanista:
Hahaha you are funny. Ibori was jailed because he looted UK money I guess? Okah was jailed in SA because he committed the Oct 1 bombing in SA I guess?

Bro, there are lots of evidence against Alimi. Let him step foot here and you will understand.


Why am I even wasting my time with you sef

I know these things,I am only stating technicalities
Such as,he has a dual citizenship,and was married in a court in the UK where homosexualim is not a crime; if he is arrested by Nigerian authorities,the UK will have to step in even though such an act is prohibited by Nigerian law,.What happens in such cases of parallel national laws?

Its mere consideration of the technicalities involved.

Jayceon:
and you have odd fascination with kuvuki,but that was the name used in that Mr Bones movie.nollywood witchcraft script writters will never produce anything close to that quality

Ugly igbos are just upset Southie is the best country in Africa , weather it's sports,entertainment,etc .

We the best *dj Khaled voice*

Kuvuki depicts the exact society of your sprawling zulu cesspit;
Stop talking nonsense,if the village where you live had a cinema,you'd have seen how superb nollywood movies are,especially newly released movies.Stop watching cheap african magic that shows 10 year old movies.
Now,you say you are best in sports,where are the banana bananas?

Blue3k:
Funny how she couldn't defend her point about why it's ok to want to murder people who disagree with her. I guess she was raised. Lol raised by animals in human skin I'm guessing.

Yeah,its quite obvious how backwards and uncultured she is; I detest bigots.

These same girls will be hugging and cuddling each other in public(many of them even pleasure each other in private),yet they will be the first to raise eyebrow at gay people.


As for guys,isnt it ironic that they demand anal sex from their girlfriends,yet they will carry the biggest club when they spot a gay guy?,what exactly is the difference between them?,by social rule,any form of anal sex is a taboo,at least,that is what many people like to parrot in public.


Nigeria has the highest number of people watching gay pornography on the internet(verified google data),and yet everyone denounce all form of gay affiliation,who then are the people watching the porn?

Hypocrisy is just to much in Nigeria.

TonyeBarcanista:
According to Anti Same Sex Marriage Act, gay association, meeting, marriages, union etc is a crime. His association with Gay groups is enough to convict him. Not to talk of his gay relationship that he is into.

In fact, he'll be jailed without trial...

Perhaps,I knew you'd bring up the matter of association,marriage and the likes.

But he wasnt married in a Nigerian court,neither does he have a "gay group" stationed anywhere in Nigeria; these are all technicalities anyway.

TonyeBarcanista:
He will even be DISQUALIFIED by INEC because he would be facing criminal prosecution for being a practicing gay and convicted.

Any party that attempts to adopt him is as good as a dead party.

You cannot prosecute and convict a person who was never caught in the act; its a technical issue.