₦airaland Forum

Look, all what you people are saying is completely beside the point. It doesn't matter how much you hate gäys, what your religion says about them or whether their actions offend your moral sensibilities.

The only thing that matters is whether gäys are human beings or not. If they are, then the constitution guarantees them certain rights which no one, not even the national assembly can deny them. This bill attempts to strip them, and those who support them those rights, therefore, it is illegal and unconstitutional. End of story!

The constitution is the supreme law. It's above the sharia fanatics' religion, and it is above your religion. The "but I hate fäggots!" argument is invalid.

Why didn't people complain when they were planning and constructing the road? Was it a secret that it was going to be a toll road? It's not like there's no alternate route so I don't see what you guys are complaining about.

The government has to be free to explore all possible ways of bringing rapid development to the state. You people should stop your whining.

rhymz:
exactly what I am trying to let them understand. Where is the sense in saying that same-sex marriage is prohibited but you can form associations, g'ay clubs, g'ay church, have suggestive h'omosexual content in prints, artwork, media, school curriculum and so on . . . Does that not kill the very essence of the prohibitive ban on same-sex union. Just like they have done in the west and succeeded-hiding under the guise of fundamental human rights to perpetrate themselves-as their law makers and politicians pay lipservice to the issue, speak from both sides of their mouth and give contradictory remarks about homosexualism while their lobbyist agents take advantage and move their cause.

What is funny about you is that you are completely oblivious of the consequences of what you are advocating. Here you are arguing for restrictions to be placed on freedom of expression and for the punishment of thoughtcrime. Have you ever heard of the concept of the slippery slope? Yeah, lets ban immoral people from gathering together. Lets gag them and exclude them from society. Lets start jailing people for thinking bad thoughts. The next thing you know you are living in North Korea.

Infact, I was compelled to join the debate cos Evilbrain was busy criticizing the whole essence of the bill, trying to pass it off as unimportant and a waste of time. He, in a series of posts criticized why the senate had to make it more difficult for same-sex cohabitation even before he worried about the ban that was as well extended to LGBT advocacy groups and association, in other words, he was "mad" at NA for even bringing the matter up in the first place. It was until I challenged him and moderate commentators like Debosky brought a new dimension (even though I do not entirely agree with his soft landing agrument for the LGBT) to the debate by stating that the bill would have been ok if it had not placed a ban advocacy and lobbyist group for LGBT that he started toning down his emotional outburst.
At least, we all have to a considerable extent, given reasons why we can't in a fit of emotional rage, passion or outburst entirely dimissed the need for such legislation or wholly accept it in it present form-the thought of seeing same-sex couple kissing and snogging eachother in this country feels my palate with bile, knowing how our own version of copied culture can be exaggerated in practise, it is very important that we nip it in the bud.

Have you ever shared a house, flat or university hostel with another man? Well the next time you do, you might end up spending a decade in jail unless you can prove you're not gäy, which is impossible. Isn't that something many people should be concerned about?

And please point out any of may posts in which I made an emotional outburst. I've gone out of my way to be polite and civil and to use logic to persuade while ignoring the many insults I've recieved. I realize how deep seated people's feeling on this issue are, but there is no excuse for refusing to think with your brain.

oyb:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-462322.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-699772.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-643162.0.html

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-208918.0.html

there is plenty there for a serious government to go on

was it not because of whitewater that kenneth starr was appointed as a special investigator

all politicians fear the press? in nigeria? the only politicains that need to fear the press in this country are those who have stepped on the wrong toes

even worse, in nigeria the press is little more than pens for hire.

have you noticed that when there is a tanker explosion or accident, the company IS NEVER NAMED? three years ago, a dangote truck broke the pedestrian bridge in ijesa, lagos. it was reported as a transporter. and those are just business moguls who never get reported.

last week, there was a report of a senators assistant taking sitting for an exam for her oga.to date the oga has not been named, and the story even sees to be being recanted.

You've pointed out part of the problem: most journalists are just pens for hire. But another problem is that many don't know how to gather evidence to support their stories. Many of their reports are just based on just hearsay so they are scared to put their necks on the line by naming names. I followed all your links and I didn't see any documents or records attached to any of the reports. If you have solid proof, you won't be scared to stand by your story.

Another problem is that journalists aren't persistent enough. They seem to have short attention spans and allow major stories to be swept under the carpet. In the case I referred to before, Buhari's agents actually went through all the newsstands in Lagos and Abuja buying up and siezing copies of the magazine. Newswatch responded by reprinting both the original story and the now legendary "the face of a liar" cover the next week (that week's edition had 2 covers!). They also printed far more copies than usual so that it was impossible to get all of them. They kept the story in the public conciousness until something was done about it.

Today's reporters are a bunch of soft, barely competent, easily bribable weaklings.

oyb:
^^^^

in truth it makes no difference. unless you have fallen out of favor or some higherups want you out, nothing will happen


etteh and salisu buhari got pushed out, but bankole stayed out his term, ditto for diezani

in the end reports go nowhere unless they want you out and need ammunition.

there were all sorts of reports of waziri's corruption before she was pushed out. we can only speculate as to what exactly happened - she got too greedy, gej needed to polish his anticorruption creds for the us. . .

Diezani and Bankole survived because nobody was able to gather solid evidence against them all we heard was vague accusations with nothing to back them up. Salisu Buhari was the no. 4 citizen and Obasanjo's personal favourite and a small news magazine ended his career.

If a Nigerian newspaper can get pictures and audiotapes and signed documents and bank statements to back up a corruption story, they can bring down anybody, no matter how powerful. There is a reason why all politicians fear the press.

Enough with the defeatist attitude.

Obinoscopy:
Evil Brain and Debosky has really impressed me. My conclusion is that its either they're lawyers or they're human rights activists. They've been able to present their facts without religious or moral sentiments.

I don't like homosexuals as a person. Infact I'd say I have a little hatred for them. But I respect them and see them as my fellow God's creation. Now I wouldn't because of my hatred for them deny them of their fundamental rights. It would be so unhuman of me.

This bill if passed into law will affect me. This is because I'm a medical personnel who works with an NGO that targets the homosexuals. What we do is to mobilise these people and encourage them to live positively by knowing their HIV status and by using condoms. We do all these because we know the homosexuals are more at risk of contracting HIV. If that bill is signed into law, I'll be guilty and sentened to 10 yrs imprisonment for my public health work! This is outrageous!!

@Obinoscopy
Thanks brother. I'm not a not a lawyer BTW. I'm a doctor just like you and I have quite a few patients who have admitted being gäy to me.

Many of them are miserable, conflicted people who are torn between their religious beliefs and the feelings they can't control. More than a few have asked me whether there was any way they could be "cured". Most are too scared to tell even their closest loved ones the truth. I can go out, openly flirt with women and fornicate to my hearts content, but these guys have to suppress their urges for fear of being sacked or beaten up as if they are living in taliban ruled Afghanistan.

The last thing they need is to be oppressed by the federal government. Their lives are already hard enough.

olas2u:
The print media industry does not pay so well for people to risk themselves.Can you do it,even the saharareporter guy can not land in Nigeria .

Abeg, please! Journalists here in Nigeria bravely faced down the Abacha regime despite their well known assassination policy. Is GEJ really that scary?

What happened to writing anonymously? What happened to the internet? Anybody who's too pûssy to risk his life for freedom and justice does not deserve to be free.

Besides, how is making this kind of baseless accusation any less dangerous than finding some proof to back it up before going to press?

Deep Sight:
It would have been apt to simply deny legal recognition to same s.ex unions, but the extra step of criminalizing same s.ex activitivies is certainly wholly unconstitional in many respects and should be challenged in the courts. I have a sneaky feeling though, that the US and Britain may prevail on the President to withhold his assent.

Whilst i agree that the law over reaches fundamental constitutional rights such as freedom from discrimination and freedom of association, i cannot accept that western powers are in any position to lecture a sovereign nation on this matter: for bigamy ought not be criminal within their own systems in the same respect.

There are many se.xua.l perversions and it would be absurd to begin to prescribe jail terms for each one. That is frankly on all fours with medieval persecutory barbarism.

Thank you Deep Sight. You and I don't often see eye to eye but I'm glad you can rise above religion and stand on the side of reason.

I just want to point out that no one here is advocating bowing to the west. We are all proud Nigerians and I feel that we should be able to do what is right for our Nation without worrying about what the oyimbos think. But passing a bad law just to piss off the Americans is just as wrong, if not more so than bowing to their wishes.

And this bill is unequivocally bad.

philips70:
@Evil Brain journalism be it paid or freelancing is one of the ways information circulate worldwide. That Nigerian politicians own choice properties all around the middle east is not news to some of us. Just that articles like these remind us and inform those who do not know already. If you so doubt do your own research and send your counter findings to Sun newspapers as a rejoinder. These politicians do even more than the writers wrote. If you have ever had your hands on easy money you will understand how spending on frivolities become very easy. If God was bribable (not pastors) these guys will send huge chunk of their loots Him.

That is not the point. My point is that all these claims need to be backed up with evidence. If Nigeria is ever going to become less corrupt, we need to start gathering evidence against these thieves. You have to force the government's hand to either prosecute them or reveal themselves as pro-corruption. Printing an article without any attempt to find proof (which is not that difficult to do) doesn't help anybody.

When Newswatch revealed that the disgraced former speaker of the house of reps had forged documents, they didn't just rush out with unfounded claims. They did their homework, contacted his supposed schools and former classmates and got incontrovertible proof before going to press. That way they were able to force him out of office and have him tried and convicted against president Obasanjo's wishes.

That's what real journalists do. Sadly, they seem to have gone extinct in Nigeria.

This is a silly article showing off the extremely poor quality of journalists we have in this country. I'm not claiming that Nigerian politicians are not thieves, but anyone can make unfounded allegations. If these people trully own all these properties, it shouldn't be difficult to pay someone in the UAE to dig up some property records.

One baseless article published in a tabloid rag is not evidence of anything. The Sun should find some proof or GTFO.

rhymz:
I feel I should add this little information so people that are in the habit of digressing from the main issue here by stating that h'omosexualism is not Nigeria's problem, there is no need to talk about it or whether there are reported cases of same-sex couple besieging court marriage registry and churches to make their union legal. The answer is yes that the trigger. Infact the trigger for the bill was that two man-lover men went to a registry somewhere in Edo State to get married and were refused. The man-lover partners and their organisation were said to have threatened to sue the registrar for discrimination who then alerted the authorities that there were no laws in the land specifically banning same sex marriage. Now you see why it is understandable that the Senators felt a bill against same sex marriage and their conniving associations were indeed urgent.

Names, dates, and links please. Proof or GTFO. Save your beer parlour stories for the beer parlour.

Also, the supreme court had already pronounced that gäy marriages were not valid ages ago. And even if it hadn't what is the justification for prescribing a prison sentence for writing a pro gäy rights petition to the government? Or for same-sex cohabitation? Or belonging to a man-lover association? Or participating in a peaceful demonstration?

EDIT: The supreme court ruling I referred to above is EUGENE MERIBE vs JOSHUA C. EGWU of 1976 (LPELR-SC48/75) in case anyone is interested.

2buff:
^^ Relax buddy.

the law is simple and simply stated. "We do not consider man-lover marriages to be real marriages" You're adding things to it, with an uncanny passion might I add.
The institution of marriage is a thing between a man and a woman. There must be a husband and a wife and not 2 husbands. The country for good reasons isn't going to tarnish that age-old, God originated institution by forcing it to bend to the man-lover situation.
The government is saying this: If the man-loving-men choose to live together, as they do now, it's none of our business, and WE will not consider it to be marriage in fullness and truth (because it isn't), ,

The law did not say it is illegal to be man-lover, as that will be a pointless law.

Instead of fighting it, the man-loving-men can come up with their own word that means marriage to them and let us rest. Maybe Garriage would suit them better.

Clearly, you haven't read the bill and you don't know much about it. You're exactly the sort of  person I was trying to educate when I started this thread.

Let me assure you that all the examples I gave are valid. The senators wildly overreached and the bill is covered in egegrious constitutional violations. But don't take my word for it, read it yourself.

Imagine if you're not gäy, but you disagree with the way the Nigerian government treats them and write your Senator about it. Under this law, you can be sent to prison just for speaking your mind.

If you open a shelter for victims of hömöphobic violence, you can be accused of running a gäy club and sent to prison.

If you belong to a gäy church or religious association, even one that advocates celibacy among its members, you can go to prison.

Under this law, gäys can't meet with other gäys to discuss their problems, they can't organize to fight for their rights, they can't even protest their mistreatment. Under this law, if a gäy person is killed, the police can declare his/her funeral an illegal assembly of man-loving-men then arrest and prosecute everyone there with your presence being the only thing needed to establish guilt. Does nigeria really want to start jailing people just for attending a funeral, or a birthday party, or a church program, or a meeting?

What is happening here is that people are letting their hatred get in the way of their common sense. How can you support a law that discriminates against a group of people, turning them into second-class citizens?

And this isn't aparthied which was based on something obvious like skin colour. In this case, anyone could be falsely accused of being gäy and have no way of proving otherwise. So if you're thinking you're safe because you're not gäy, you're decieving yourself. This bill endangers everyone's rights. And it must be stopped.

Are they also going to cut off their PEPFAR HIV/AIDS funding? If so then a lot of good people are going to suffer and die because of Nigerians' bigotry and intolerance.

I hope nobody here is naive enough to think our useless federal government is going to pay for HIV drugs for the masses.

Yes, they should kill all the muslims in the niger delta. Then muslims can kill all the christians in the north. And everybody else can kill the hömösexuals and atheists and midgets.

I'm tired of you Nigerians. Bunch of violent, fanatical bigots. Useless people who deserve whatever misery they get.

@Cine
Don't worry, you don't need to convince stiff-necked people like rhymz. There are other more rational people reading this and nodding their heads at your posts. Keep fighting the good fight.

@Cine

Staying power by who? I googled it and all I found was a book on premature èjaculation. I need a good book to read.

Edit: Never mind, found it. Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britian by Peter Fryer.

rhymz:
Perhaps, that is why the BokoHaram boys are on the prowl, since according to you christians in the north flagrantly disrespect the way of life of the indigenes.

Boko Haram are following the exact same logic that you espoused. "These people are living in our land and refusing to follow our religion/tradition, therefore we have the right to kill them."

rhymz:
it is plane dishonesty to suggest that christians up north or muslim down south flagrantly ignore the norms, tradition, culture of the people there. In fact, in cases where thet have felt an imposition on their way of life the result has been the violence we see everyday there Bokoharam comes to mind.

Of course they ignore the traditions. They don't worship Allah. They don't pray 5 times a day. They drink alcohol. Their women don't wear the burqua and walk around with their ankles, wrists and faces exposed like pröstitutes. They even send their girls to school to mix with, tempt and seduce the boys against koranic injunctions. Islam is the dominant religion in the north and following your logic, if they don't respect themselves and blend with the muslims, then they deserve to be killed.

I challenge you to think of a reason to keep the northern christians alive that doesnt also apply to people like me.

Also google "minority rights in a democracy". You have a lot to learn.

rhymz:
I am not sure I have in any manner insult him as a person, whatever I have said is in the spirit of the debate. Anyway, if I have unknowingly insulted you, Mr Evil, I am sorry but please stop telling you careless about religion, people's culture and tradition, it is a careless statement that deserves some serious reprimand. People get killed when they go to a place and try to look pass things and act like they were some secular Robots of no social make up or influence. If you choose to ignore my way of life, tradition and cultural belief when you stay in my home, then you deserve whatever punishment I choose to mete to you.
Now let me move on to the point you were try to make about my analogy of a willing child and an adult. First, it is very important to note that adult age is subjective and relative according to country. In some country, adult age is 16, while in some the legal age is 18. So it is folly to argue that a child in this age bracket is incapable of knowing what is right from wrong or what is beneficial or harmful to them.
Also, how is Being Intimate with a willing child of 16 (which can be termed an adult in some clime and a child in another) by a g'ay man more harmful than two men sleeping-with eachother??
And prosecuting two "consenting animals, sorry, adults" indulging in an unnatural act is not what the bill proposes. It forbids any legal union( in the way of marriage)between two ho'mosexuals or any kind of association that promotes, encourages, depicts or entice people of the public ( in the way of forming a g'ay club, g'ay church, g'ay pub and so on) as all these kind of associations do not fall under the natural fundamental human rights of association.
Sebonzakura's post honestly is one of the low points of unintelligence if he can suggest that because it does not pose any security threat it is ok to let such a social vice to take root in Nigeria. Paedophilia, bestiality, Inbreeding and other social vices in this group do not pose any security threat as well but they are not condoled either. Let's learn to draw the line my friend and respect the way of life of a people.

Following the logic in the bolded, all christians in the north should be killed for ignoring islamic traditions and flagrantly promoting a strange religion. All hausas in the east should be killed. All honest people in Abuja should be killed. All non-rètarded nairalanders should be killed.

I just stumbled on this since I've been concentrating on my gäy marriage thread for the past 2 days.

I find it funny that nairaland christians can now remember the importance of freedom of expression, religion and association. Just a few days ago you were all cheering on when our useless senate was voting to deny those same freedoms to another group of people. It's a good thing that Jesus never spoke against hypocrisy! /sarcasm

What the last few days have taught me is that the majority of Nigerians are religious fanatics with a high potential for violence. Most people are happy to trample on the rights of others but start crying as soon as the same is done to them. Regardless of your religion, you are all a short step away from Boko Haram in your thinking.

We sane Nigerians are a tiny minority. And we are under threat.

Obinoscopy:
@rhymz, I've been following your posts together with that of evilbrian and I'd say I'm impressed with you guys line of arguement although there are times you become sentimental and begin to attack his personality. But nevertheless I'm impressed.

I just wanted to reply to your analogy between the rights of homosexuals and that of pedophilles. Any intimate activity between an adult and a consenting child is seen as child abuse and is a punishable offence because the child is still young to know what could harm her and what will not. But two consenting homosexuals going to the unnatural act is okay provided they are adults. Prosecuting them tantamounts to infringing of their rights of association. The only time it would be right to arrest them is if there are evidence suggesting that all homosexuals r.ape people in their respective communities

Also read sebonzakura's latest post on the issue of pedophilles and its difference from homosexuality

Thank you o!!! I don't know how the issue of pèdophiles entered this matter. The only pèdophile that has anything to do with gäy marriage is Sani Yerima. And he's on rhymz's side, not mine.

jedisco:
Evilbrain ive noticed your silence on some issues

From your POV what is your take on making prostitution legal
2. What about legalising inbreeding and violation since it occurs in animals also and therefore natural (according to you)
3. U should also be in support of bestiality, getting married to inanimate objects like carvings etc (since some people have intimate drive toward these things), and also sleeping with corpses
4. Also why is the west silent about legalising polygamy when all the concerned parties give their concent

1. Pröstitution is a complex issue. While it causes social problems (more STIs, violence and exploitation against the pröstitutes, and using public streets as a place of business), it is still a private act between consenting adults. Also, there are many forms of prösitution which are morally ambiguous or socially accepted e.g sugar daddies and marrying for money so there's a bit of hypocrisy in criminalizing it. Perosnally I support the Dutch model e.g. Legalization with very strict regulation. It'll have to be done in private, the girls should be registered and subject to regular health checks. They should recieve at least 80% of the money and pay taxes and pension dues. And no pîmps. Also compulsory condom use with the girls having the right to refuse any client for any reason. However, I'm not fanatical about any of this. Other ideas are welcome.

2. Inbreeding and räpe generally doesn't occur in animals in their natural habital, or rather, its much less common than same-sèx mating. In any case, I'm not advocating that we should be imitating lower animals, I'm simply refuting the argument that homosexuality is strange and unnatural. There is a lot of ignorance on that subject, and I'm just educating people about what actually happens in the natural world. Bestiality=unnecesary cruelty to animals. Also animals cant give consent. So I think it should be illegal. The issue of the rights of ownership makes this issue a bit cloudy.

3. If someone wants to arrange a ceremony to marry his biro cover, thats his right. It doesn't affect me or you so its not our problem. On the other hand, keeping corpses around can cause serious public health issues, so it shouldn't be allowed. The rule of thumb is that if something causes appreciable harm to non-consenting third parties, it should be banned. Gäy marriage does not qualify.

4. What has the west got to do with anything? Both the proponents and the victims of this bill are Nigerians. You need to drop that colonial mentality and learn how to face our own problems without using the oyimbos as reference.

rhymz:
You obviously have not been following the crust of my argument if you think I care about what somebody does in the comfort of his privacy. Like Saga has said in another thread, we can't legislate what goes on in people's head but of course if he/she goes further with attempts to entice, encourage, explain or even show these very lewd thougts in away that it can help him convert other impressionable people then there is a very strong need to legislate it.

That is the exact opposite of what the constitution says. It guarantees freedom of thought and expression of ideas. There are no exceptions. If a gäy guy comes to try and entice you, you can tell him to shut up but you cant force him or punish him for speaking his mind. Maybe you should download and read the 1999 constitution before you post any more.

Before this bill, we had the sodomy law which we almost never use cos to a large extent it is archaic and does not reflect the situation of the present. Homosexualism like other social vices has negetive insidious effect, if we don'r creat pre-emptive laws like the one espoused by this bill, we will stand hands akimbo and watch our value system descend even lower than what is obtainable in the present west, the family structure will be the most affected, population demography will be so adversly affected that by the time we realize the dangers of such a tacit support, it will have been too late. A situation where h'omosexualism replaces religion, our moral values relegated to the new found individuality chant song and people being forced to recognize homosexualism even against what they are generally used to is as well an infringement on my right. What is important is that the decision is a reflection of what the Nigeria wants as regards this issues, everyone should respect this domimant right.

I've already explained several times why religion, culture and morality are irrelevant in this discussion so I'll just ignore that part of your post. And I've also covered minority rights and the abuse of majority power.

Nobody is forcing you to recognize gäys. You can continue not liking them if you want. You can even write something nasty about them on a T-shirt and wear it around (freedom of expression).

If you think someone singing or chanting something you don't like is a violation of your rights then you don't know the first thing about human rights and you shouldn't be posting here.

rhymz:
What exactly is your definition of fundamental human rights? Cos it appears you are all too willing to talk about limitless freedom of expression even when it encroaches on the rights of the majority.
Well this is my understanding of the fundamental human rights:
These are rights naturally accruable to every person by virtue of his/her existence as a human being.
The Nigerian Constitution under Chapter IV enumerates the following as fundamental rights.
* Right to life.
* Right to dignity of human persons.
* Right to personal liberty.
* Right to fair hearing.
* Right to compensation for property compulsorily acquired.
* Right to private and family life.
* Right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
* Right to freedom of expression.
* Right to peaceful assembly and association.
* Right to freedom of movement.
* Right to freedom from discrimination on the grounds of ethnic group, place of origin, circumstance of birth, sex, religion or political opinion.
The above rights are classified under Chapter IV of the Constitution as Fundamental Rights.
Now let's not forget that these rights are not limitless in practise; it will be folly for anyone to assert that he or she is entitled to freedom of expression and as such decides to walk down the street Unclad, that will be encroaching on others people rights as you will be trampling on other people's right to human dignity. Fact ism your rights end where another person's begin, we can continue to argue about the technicalities of these rights and laws all day, it will all still boil down to what is generally accepted, a society's natural reactions to alien acts that assault their own sense of morals, decency, culture and standards. The whole argument can't be wholly premised on the dictates of fundamental human rights cos in practice, these rights are subjects of ambguity and technicalities that render them almost impracticable.

I'm glad you know what fundamental human rights are. I don't see what is ambigous or impracticable about them. Plenty of countries (including Nigeria off and on) have been pracicing them for decades without problems. So what if walking around näked is against your religion and values? As long as I do it in my own private premises, how is it your business? The same applies to gäys. Stop thinking about what they are doing in private and face your own life.

For instance, in the west, Polygamay and bigamy are criminal offences, yet it does not hurt anyone, it is between consenting adults and is a private afair. Does it mean this group that want to practice polygamy and bigamy do not have rights? How come the UN is not championing their rights to freedom of expression, liberty and association. What makes the ho'mosexualism cause any better and more important than polygamy cause.
Are you trying to tell me their decision to outlaw polygamy and bigamy in their society is not borne out of a combination of their moral standards, belief systems, societal idiosyncrasies and culture? Don't you see the double standards here??

There's no double standard. Bigamy is a crime because it involves fraud and there are clear victims. The first wife gets lied to and cheated on. And the subsequent wives are made to think they are in valid marriages with all the associated legal protections when they really aren't.

Polygamy is fine by me as long as all parties involved are adults who know what they are getting into. I may not like it, but I'm not going to try get anyone imprisoned over it.

Plus other countries don't strip ploygamists of their fundamental human rights the way this bill tries to do the gäys. Your analogy is not analogous.

Nice try though. At least, you're attempting to make sense unlike so many others.

rhymz:
that is exactly what I am doing. You are yet to tell us how this law contravenes the 1999 Nigerian constitution like you have been claiming.

The second post on page 1 of this thread explains very specifically how the bill violates the constitution. I guess you only read the title before you made up your mind, then.

Typical of the g'ay people movements to hit below the belts just to get you forcfully in line with their nonsense. This exactly what is happening in the west; coming out to openly disagree with h'omosexualism is almost tantamount to political suicide cos [bold]these deviants have infiltrated virtually every sphere of influence and power- the media, politics, education, social strata and so on.[/bold] But tell them, Nigeria will not succumb to browbeating, intimidation through withdrawal of aids and so on. If they feel very strongly about the rights of these group, they can extend them visa to come and stay in their country and 4ck their sons.

Show me one shred of evidence that gäys have infiltrated anywhere for nefarious purposes. I suppose you think they have a secret organization with a headquarters hidden in a volcano like in the old James Bond movies?
Abeg save the beer parlour gossip for the beer parlour.

rhymz:
Yeah it does, just as it applies to every Nigerian paedophile, pornographer, armed robbers, people that have intimate urge to want to sleep with animals, people that have intimate urge to want to sleep with their mums, sisters, and so on. . Yet there are laws that limits them from such rights and freedom. Imagine if everyone had the kind of freedom you want us to give these h'omosexuals, what kind of society will that be. It is you who do not fully understand the implication of your irresponsible liberalism.

Päedophiles and armed robbers cannot be stripped of their fundamental rights. Only gäys according to this law. And plenty of societies already fully recognize gäy marriage all of whom are better than Nigeria in every way imaginable. Besides, Nigerian gays have had the rights of free speech, to associate and assemble since independence and they have largely managed to stay out of other people's view. Nigeria hasn't exploded. Neither have South Africa or Holland. I don't see your point.

And please note that nobody has even asked nigerians to recognize gäy marriage. All I've been saying is don't try and strip gäys and people like me who don't hate them of their basic rights. Is that too much to ask?

rhymz:
I think I may have to paste the content of the Bill cos it is obvious some pro-man-lover activists here, including the poster are trying to disingenuously taking advantage of people's lack of understanding of the Bill to propagate lies, half-truths and distortion.

Why don't you tell us which specific parts of the bill I have lied about and distorted instead of making vague and unfounded accusations?

And feel free to post the entire bill here. Just don't think you can get away with quoting cherry-picked portions of it because I also won't allow you to "propagate lies, half-truths and distortion".

rhymz:
While it is easy for supporters of g'ay movements to quickly quote the sections of the constitution that talks about equal human rights; they so conveniently forget that [bold]these laws were made on the presumption that the people it deals with were heterosexuals[/bold], there is no provision in the constitution that gives any right to people based on their intimate orientation or even allows the kind of association, union or legal standing to h'omosexuals. No section of the constitution gives provision to allow or give support through rights to such an act. Show us in clear terms and let us debate it, not some vague and ambiguous claims that is open to debate.

Where did you get that silly idea from? Constitutional protections apply to all Nigerians without exception. There are no second-class citizens. You don't even realize the implications of what you're saying.

mykali:
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-816583.0.html

i believe that is what that supposed Pastor is trying to do there.

You don't know the story of Jide Macauley? He and his fellow gäys were running their church quietly and discreetly. They went out of their way to stay out of public view. It was only when some holier-than-thou journalist wrote a piece using them to whip up sentiments that anyone knew who he was. His church members have since been threatened, beaten up and harrassed wven though they haven't harmed anybody.

And BTW all he has asked for Was that gays be allowed to live their lives free of harrassment just like everyone else. He's never gone to court to advocate for gäy marriage and has never asked anyone to change the law to favour hömösexuals.

emmatok:
You cannot separate people/state from religion anywhere in Earth.

Not true.

For your those HOMOs are also fighting for recognition by the Church which is wrong.

Show me one shred of evidence of Nigerian hömos doing this. Proof or GTFO.

@Iolo

By your reasoning, anyone who protests the mistreatment of midgets must be a midget himself. Makes perfect sense! /sarcasm

If you'd bothered to read beyond the title of this thread, you would have seen that I criticized this bill from six different angles right on the first page. Seven, if you include the minority rights issue I covered on page 2.

And I am fully aware of the history of this bill. Don't think I'm here posting out of ignorance like many people like to do. You, on the other hand, don't seem to know much about pröstitutes. I suggest you volounteer for an HIV/AIDS charity if you want to learn more about the seedier side of life.

Also, I'm not a lawyer. I'll take it as a compliment that you thought I was one.