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Adam and Eve were made from mud as the first humans and their descendants are made differently yet they all decompose back to dust/sand from which mud is derived?

Why are dead people buried back into the mud at least majorly?

Was Eve created from Adam?

Is it a lie that when the Angel appeared to Mary and she was troubled how she would have a child without a man the Angel said that is easy for Allah to do?
Quran 19:
19. (The angel) said: "I am only a messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son.''
20. She said: "How can I have a son when no man has touched me, nor am I unchaste''
21. He said: "Thus says your Lord: `That is easy for Me (Allah). And (We wish) to appoint him as a sign to mankind and a mercy from Us (Allah), and it is a matter (already) decreed (by Allah

Quran 3:59
"Indeed, the example of Jesus to Allah is like that of Adam. He created Him (i.e Adam) from dust; then He said to him, "Be," and he was."

Do you claim Isa a.s wasn't created by the command of Allah? Do clarify as you seem to put that Isa/Jesus created himself!

You selectively read Quran 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a Spirit from Him

The word here is the creation command.

Quran 15:29
So, when I have made him and have breathed into him of My Spirit, do ye fall down, prostrating yourselves unto him

Do you notice that Allah breathed directly into the mold by himself regarding the creation of Adam but in the case of Jesus this is through a messenger who is the Angel?

You say:
Quran 3:49
"And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe


Quran 5:110
Then will Allah say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'


By Allah's leave, By my leave (who's leave is this?)

Also the restraint of Children of Israel from violence doesn't extend to the prosecution and crucifixion you profess or this act is free of being categorised as violence?

The difference is clear as Allah's creation was not by leave of any other but Jesus creation of a bird was by leave of Allah.

On the issue of a poisoned lamb Muhammad pbuh was saved unlike the one who died immediately and he continued his prophethood and journeys until he completed his prophethood and chose to be in the hereafter.
Bukhari 466 (Sahih al-Bukhari Book 8, Hadith 455)

Let's pause here. Do answer my question

Explore2xmore:
Then if Jesus is sinless and the sacrificial lamb for all humanity how come then the hadith Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440
..........
They will go to ‘Isa and say, ‘O ‘Isa! You are the Messenger of Allah and His Word which He cast to Maryam and a spirit from Him. You spoke to people while in the cradle. Intercede with your Lord on our behalf. Do you not see what we are suffering?’ ‘Isa will say, ‘My Lord is angry today with such anger as has never existed before nor will again,’ and he did not mention a sin. ‘O my soul!My soul! My soul! Go to someone else. Go to Muhammad.'”........

I would appreciate you first answer this before going on your charade of other questions to evade answering.

TenQ:
Then kindly explain according to Islam good reasons why
1. Jesus was created by Allah without a father?
2. Why Jesus is a Co-Creators of life with Allah?
3. Why Jesus is still alive till today
4. Why only Jesus and His mother are the only humans untouched by satan
5. Finally, why did Allah say
Qur'an 9:31
ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَـٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَـٰهًا وَٰحِدًا ۖ لَّآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
Did you read instead of Allah AND the Messiah


1. Which sin do you accuse Jesus of sir?
Qur'an 19:19
He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

Was the word Fitrah also used for John or any other person apart from Jesus?

Is Qur'an 19:19 an error?

2. You assume to much my friend!

Is this Narrative of Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440 a true or false occurrence?

If the above is TRUE,

Then answer me: Is this hadith below also true?
Sunan Ibn Majah 4308
It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:
“I am the leader of the sons of Adam, and it is no boast. I will be the first one for whom the earth will be split open on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast. I will be the first to intercede and the first whose intercession will be accepted, and it is no boast. The banner of praise will be in my hand on the Day of Resurrection, and it is no boast.”

Man like Tenq are now so pompous to determine what the creator should do and not do?

1. Yes Jesus was created without a father but then which would be easier creating without just a father or creating without both a father and mother as is the case of Adam?

Also, from Adam, Eve was created without a father or mother unless you take Adam as her father since she was taken from him?

Verily, the likeness of ‘Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: “Be!” – and he was.
Quran 3:59

Some claim is made that Jesus is Allah’s son because he was created without a father, then the same claim is more befitting of Adam who has no father or mother even more.

There is no such claim regarding Adam or even Eve as I have indicated above?

2. Where is Jesus stated to be a co creator with Allah? Any similitude of this expresses this with the will/leave of Allah and there's no indication of the creation of a human being.

3. Jesus is still alive for his death is yet to come. Allah has saved him from a disgraceful are torturous killing to a future time when he will die and be buried. This time will be indicative of the time when the Earthly world will come to an end and judgement day will be.

4. The Quran mentions that when Allah blessed Jesus with support of the holy spirit, Satan could not hinder or harm him in any way.

You refer to Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Messenger pbuh saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36)

[But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah]."

Well in today's practice when a Baby doesn't cry at birth it is seen to be a problem and the medics do what they can to get these babies to cry. Perhaps the doctors don't know that these babies weren't touched by Satan at birth.


And finally you are now an expert of arabic language and couldn't provide an exact textual statement of Jihad from the Quran different from Kital?

You sure have a misinterpretation or translation of Quran 9:31 where you don't understand the interaction of verbs and subjects.

Do ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ and وَٱلْمَسِيحَ ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ not have a relation for verb and subject noun?

in comparison to مِّن دُونِ and ٱللَّهِ or you are confused due to the positions occupied by Allah and Isa?



I didn't accuse Isa of a Sin but showed that John the Baptist is referred to as pure and free of Sin.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمًا زَكِيًّا
"He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy.""


Recheck against your translation.

Sadly you refused or evaded to answer by asking questions why Isa will say, ‘My Lord is angry today with such anger as has never existed before nor will again,’ and he did not mention a sin. ‘O my soul!My soul! My soul! Go to someone else. Go to Muhammad

Kindly answer or submit you have no answer.
This is because going by your view that Jesus was sacrificed to redeem mankind (summarised) how come the 'sacrifice' isn't fulfilling it's work of being sacrificed?

Greenholics:
I see you have jumped to council of Nicaea and different sect in Christianity there by totally avoids the topic of discussion ….. but do forget your prophet was born way after the council of Nicaea and yet he “ confirming the Scripture they had ˹in their hands” even a pedo. And sexual deviant like muhammed couldn’t deny the truth and the core of Christianity.


Also remember your religion has 73

Ibn Majah 3992
. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “The main body.”

حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ سَعِيدِ بْنِ كَثِيرِ بْنِ دِينَارٍ الْحِمْصِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبَّادُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا صَفْوَانُ بْنُ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ رَاشِدِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، عَنْ عَوْفِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏"‏ افْتَرَقَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَى إِحْدَى وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَافْتَرَقَتِ النَّصَارَى عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَإِحْدَى وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَالَّذِي نَفْسُ مُحَمَّدٍ بِيَدِهِ لَتَفْتَرِقَنَّ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلاَثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَثِنْتَانِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قِيلَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ هُمْ قَالَ ‏"‏ الْجَمَاعَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏


Even Sunni and Shia are sworn Enemies and kill themselves

Even the Quran y’all have 7 different Quran …..

The names of the 7 types of Qirat:
* Qirat Naafi' Al-Madani (Madinah)
* Qirat Ibn Katheer Al-Makki (Makkah)
* Qirat Abu Amr al-Basri (Basra)
* Qirat Ibn Aamir ash-Shami (Syria)
* Qirat Asim Al-Kufi (Kufa)
* Qirat Hamzah al-Kufi (Kufa)
* Qirat Al-Kisaa'i (Kufa)



I will do a post on the limitation of Allah …. How your god has 2 right hands,and sits on top the head of a rooster or how he commanded y’all to sleep with your children, how Sperm turn to blood or how s£xual fluid of a woman comes from the ribs …….. I will dedicate the post of you

Why do you hide most of the translation of Ibn Majah 3992 into English?

Amr bin Uthman bin Saeed bin Katheer bin Dinar Al-Homsi told us, Abbad bin Yusuf told us, Safwan bin Amr told us, on the authority of Rashid bin Sa’ D, on the authority of Awf bin Malik, the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, said: “The Jews divided into seventy-one One sect is in Paradise, and seventy-one are in Hell. And the Christians split into seventy-two sects, so seventy-one are in Hell, and one is in Paradise. By the hand of Muhammad’s soul, my nation will be divided into seventy-three sects, one in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell. It was said, O Messenger of God, who are they that will be in paradise? He said "The main group


You mentioned 7 Qiraat or recitations can you tell the differences in the messages of these recitals? Do they contradict one another?

TenQ:
Jesus was sinless and thus able to be a sacrifice for the sin of mankind of those who believe on Him.
Hatun is a sinner just like everyone else therefore she herself needs a saviour as Christ.

Why is Jesus (and his mother) the only ones that satan did not touch at birth in this world?


Sahih Muslim 2366 c
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
The satan touches every son of Adam on the day when his mother gives birth to him with the exception of Mary and her son.


True children of God will lay down their lives if need be. It is part of our calling as people will murder us thinking that they do God a service.
John 16:2-3:
"They shall put you out of the synagogues: yes, the time comes, that whoever kills you will think that he does God service. And these things will they do to you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."

And of course you qualify as you neither know the Father nor the Christ Himself.

Indeed your topic about an unknown whereabout of Hatan Behind is just a means to express your view and excessive worship of Jesus not who is to be worshipped.

Hopefully you wouldn't evade but can you explain why the word zakattan which means purity from filth, wickedness and sins is used for Yahya a.s (John the Baptist) in Quran 19:13?

Then if Jesus is sinless and the sacrificial lamb for all humanity how come then the hadith Sahih Bukhari 4712; 7440
..........
They will go to ‘Isa and say, ‘O ‘Isa! You are the Messenger of Allah and His Word which He cast to Maryam and a spirit from Him. You spoke to people while in the cradle. Intercede with your Lord on our behalf. Do you not see what we are suffering?’ ‘Isa will say, ‘My Lord is angry today with such anger as has never existed before nor will again,’ and he did not mention a sin. ‘O my soul!My soul! My soul! Go to someone else. Go to Muhammad.'”........

Greenholics:
I see you have jumped to council of Nicaea and different sect in Christianity there by totally avoids the topic of discussion ….. but do forget your prophet was born way after the council of Nicaea and yet he “ confirming the Scripture they had ˹in their hands” even a pedo. And sexual deviant like muhammed couldn’t deny the truth and the core of Christianity.


Also remember your religion has 73

Ibn Majah 3992
. I swear by the One Whose Hand is the soul of Muhammad, my nation will split into seventy-three sects, one of which will be in Paradise and seventy-two in Hell.” It was said: “O Messenger of Allah, who are they?” He said: “The main body.”

حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عُثْمَانَ بْنِ سَعِيدِ بْنِ كَثِيرِ بْنِ دِينَارٍ الْحِمْصِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبَّادُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، حَدَّثَنَا صَفْوَانُ بْنُ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ رَاشِدِ بْنِ سَعْدٍ، عَنْ عَوْفِ بْنِ مَالِكٍ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏"‏ افْتَرَقَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَى إِحْدَى وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَافْتَرَقَتِ النَّصَارَى عَلَى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَإِحْدَى وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ وَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَالَّذِي نَفْسُ مُحَمَّدٍ بِيَدِهِ لَتَفْتَرِقَنَّ أُمَّتِي عَلَى ثَلاَثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ فِرْقَةً فَوَاحِدَةٌ فِي الْجَنَّةِ وَثِنْتَانِ وَسَبْعُونَ فِي النَّارِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قِيلَ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَنْ هُمْ قَالَ ‏"‏ الْجَمَاعَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏


Even Sunni and Shia are sworn Enemies and kill themselves

Even the Quran y’all have 7 different Quran …..

The names of the 7 types of Qirat:
* Qirat Naafi' Al-Madani (Madinah)
* Qirat Ibn Katheer Al-Makki (Makkah)
* Qirat Abu Amr al-Basri (Basra)
* Qirat Ibn Aamir ash-Shami (Syria)
* Qirat Asim Al-Kufi (Kufa)
* Qirat Hamzah al-Kufi (Kufa)
* Qirat Al-Kisaa'i (Kufa)



I will do a post on the limitation of Allah …. How your god has 2 right hands,and sits on top the head of a rooster or how he commanded y’all to sleep with your children, how Sperm turn to blood or how s£xual fluid of a woman comes from the ribs …….. I will dedicate the post of you

Greenholics:
Quran 5:14

Sahih International
And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.

Explore2xmore:
Obvious difference between between being literate and educated. So we caused among them animosity. Animosity among who? No other but the Christians

How do Christians see Catholics and vice versa?
How do Christians view Arians, Unitarians etc?

I have explained what is clearly stated in the translation of the meaning of Quran 5:14.

Were the council meetings not to address the disagreement in terms of doctrine?

In fact under the Constantinople and the Roman emperors wasn't the doctrine of Trinity enforced? Following that of Nicea to support a divinity of the Christian Jesus.

Do Jebovah witnesses here on nairaland agree with Christian interpretation of the scripture?

Are there groups of Christians that worship on Saturday not Sunday? Is this a reflection of disagreement about the Sabbath?

Do you not have Christians that disagree about celebrating Christmas?

What brings about animosity as seen in Quran 5:14? Is this not often due to disagreement?

TenQ:
We give thanks to God she's not been murdered in the name of Allah.

Interesting though as Christianity views Jesus as murdered on the cross as a sacrifice.

Wouldn't it have been nice for Hatun to follow suit and destroy the differences between Muslims and Christians.

Anyhoo congratulations. Your subject is addressed.

Did the Council of Nicaea settle the matter of Arianism?

Not remotely. Arianism was actually the official orthodoxy of the Eastern Roman Empire until 381, when the Council of Constantinople declared the doctrine of the Trinity—that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three equal parts of the single Godhead.

Interesting limitations of a supreme deity to just 3 parts.

Oh Yes you're right


The Christian church, like the Judaic church before it, was committed to monotheism: all the Abrahamic religions say there is only one God. Arius (256–336 CE), a fairly obscure scholar and presbyter at Alexandria and originally from Libya, is said to have argued that the incarnation of Jesus Christ threatened that monotheistic status of the Christian church, because he was not of the same substance as God, instead a creature made by God and so capable of vice.

The Nicean council had three goals:

1. to resolve the Melitian controversy (A division in the Church in Egypt during the fourth century. It was started by Melitius, Bishop of Lycopolis, Egypt, who objected to the conciliatory way that St. Peter, Archbishop of Alexandria, was restoring lapsed Catholics to the Church. Another schism, by the same name, occurred in Antioch during a quarrel between two orthodox claimants to the episcopal see. St. Melitius, who had the rightful claim, suffered exile and temporary from estrangement from Rome because of misrepresentation by his Arian opponents) —which was over the readmission to the Church of lapsed Christians,

2. to establish how to calculate the date of Easter each year, and


3. to settle matters stirred up by Arius, the presbyter at Alexandria.

Are there disagreements between Jehovah witnesses and Christians; the group of Christians that don't celebrate christmas. You really want more proof of disagreement between 'Christians '?

Hope you are better now that Hatun is no longer missing and looks a lot like she did an Agatha Cristie.

TenQ:
Tafsirs are simply explanations, meanings or commentaries to the Qur'an.
Two major groups
1. Tafsir bil Riwaya
2. Tafsir bil Al-Ra’y
There are five types of Tafsirs

However, it changes nothing because NO Muslim can have a personal interpretation of the Qur'an other than the consensus of your scholars.


1. Allah says he doesn't send prophets except in the language of his own people. Qur'an 14:4
2. Allah says Mohammed was sent to humanity consisting of several cultures and languages Qur'an 34:28, Quran 7:158

If Mohammed was a prophet, then he was sent only to the Arabs. A contradiction.

The main reason Allah stated was defeated on why he does that. Is it true that even Arabs do not understand the Qur'an without the opinions of the scholars?

For instance,
Who is Israel from the Qur'an?
Who is Khidr and why did he kill an innocent boy?




Is the Quran easy to understand in Arabic?

If the Qur'an was easy, can you explain why your prophet asked for the Qur'an in SEVEN dialects?

Is this hadith correctly stated by your prophet?


Sahih Muslim 821 a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.


If Mohammed was correct that the Arabs need seven Arabic dialects to understand the Qur'an, how many dialects of the Arabic Qur'an is in existence today?

If Arabs cannot understand the Qur'an unless it came in 7 dialects, how can you who is non-Arab claim any understanding?

You will agree with me that this is another proof that Mohammed was actually sent only to the Arabs.

Good you show some acquaintance with type of Tafsir. Do you know the difference between them?

Is being Muslim validated by man or Allah?

How many lamguages are spoken in Ethiopia? Are Ethiopians an Arab tribe or Arabs?

What is the language of the Byzantines and their Roman affiliates?

TenQ:
Tafsirs are simply explanations, meanings or commentaries to the Qur'an.
Two major groups
1. Tafsir bil Riwaya
2. Tafsir bil Al-Ra’y
There are five types of Tafsirs

However, it changes nothing because NO Muslim can have a personal interpretation of the Qur'an other than the consensus of your scholars.


1. Allah says he doesn't send prophets except in the language of his own people. Qur'an 14:4
2. Allah says Mohammed was sent to humanity consisting of several cultures and languages Qur'an 34:28, Quran 7:158

If Mohammed was a prophet, then he was sent only to the Arabs. A contradiction.

The main reason Allah stated was defeated on why he does that. Is it true that even Arabs do not understand the Qur'an without the opinions of the scholars?

For instance,
Who is Israel from the Qur'an?
Who is Khidr and why did he kill an innocent boy?




Is the Quran easy to understand in Arabic?

If the Qur'an was easy, can you explain why your prophet asked for the Qur'an in SEVEN dialects?

Is this hadith correctly stated by your prophet?


Sahih Muslim 821 a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.


If Mohammed was correct that the Arabs need seven Arabic dialects to understand the Qur'an, how many dialects of the Arabic Qur'an is in existence today?

If Arabs cannot understand the Qur'an unless it came in 7 dialects, how can you who is non-Arab claim any understanding?

You will agree with me that this is another proof that Mohammed was actually sent only to the Arabs.

How many dialects of Arabic were there?

How many dialects of Fulani are there?

How many dialects of Yoruba are there?

Are the 'dialects' not Arabic or the same language?

Well maybe Ijebu is not Yoruba.

Greenholics:
Can you give me an Hadith that agrees with this explanation of yours?

First of all Catholic are Christians ….. you are obviously not educated enough to know that, the difference between Catholics and Protestant lies in their mode of worship (not in the divinity of Christ which is the core of Christianity)

But if we are to go buy your explanation, so you mean to tell me that the same Allah that says Christians (and Jews) will go to heaven is the same Allah that cast hatred among them as you said?

I am not surprised anyway Allah has a history of division ( 73 Islamic set) and killing his own children ….. look at the hatred and killing between the Shia and Sunni Muslims.



Now my question for you…. Why does every Muslims have different views and explanations of the same verse? The first guy above you said it was figuratively now direct, now you are here with another explanation…….. why are you ashamed what your Quran teaches?

Interesting. Why will you request for hadith to tell you what is obvious in your environment?

Esdb3:
This may come as a surprise to some people. But yes Catholics are not christians. Some people especially muslims use the works of the catholic crusaders to represent violent terrors by 'christians'. Sorry you are wrong, catholics are just catholics. The fact that they broke the number 2 commandment is enough reason. The command states that "thou shall not bow down to any graven image representing anything in heaven or on earth. They bow down to statues.

Another reason is they don't obey the most important commandment that states "thou shalt have no other God before me".
They worship mary or they pray to her rather. These are reasons enough, to disprove their credibility as 'christians'.

So please the POPE is not well for me, the christian leader. And the crooked islamists should stop terming their actions as on behalf of christians.

And also their doctrine of 'father' not marrying is baseless arguably.



Now seun why can muslims quote christians without taking oaths but christians can't?? It is not good o. Islam oppresses us in the real world and here again?!!! On a site created by a christian??!! Hmmmm. This world is not our home.

MRAKPORS:
Outspoken man of God Kelvin Kwesi Kobir, who is founder and head pastor of the Zoe Outreach Embassy church, formerly Charismatic Worship Center has jabbed the biggest christian denomination in continue here https://butchersweetsweat./2015/08/05/catholics-are-not-christians-kelvin-kwesi-kobiri/

To name a few.

The evolution of Christian belief since the 1st century has witnessed a complex and diverse trajectory. Gradually evolving from a small Jewish sect centered around the teachings of Jesus Christ, Christianity has grown into a widely practiced religion globally.

Early Christianity had to do with the Formation of Doctrines:
During the 1st century, early Christian communities formed around the teachings of Jesus Christ and the apostles. Initially, these communities were rooted in Jewish traditions, but as non-Jews embraced Christianity, new theological perspectives emerged. Consequently, diverse Christian beliefs and practices began to develop, reflecting both Jewish and non-Jewish influences. The Scriptures were interpreted, and various writings, such as Paul's Epistles, helped shape early Christian beliefs. This period also witnessed the emergence of the four canonical Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John), solidifying the core teachings of Christianity and establishing the foundation for future doctrinal developments.

The Early Church Councils and the Development of Orthodoxy saw during the 2nd and 3rd centuries a flourishing Christian movement and mounting theological disputes. In response, early church councils convened to address these controversies and establish orthodoxy.

The Council of Nicea in 325 CE, for instance, responded to the Arian controversy and formulated the Nicene Creed, affirming the divinity of Jesus Christ. Subsequent councils, such as the Council of Ephesus (431 CE) and the Council of Chalcedon (451 CE), further refined doctrines related to the nature of Christ, the Trinity, and Mary's role, shaping the beliefs of mainstream Christianity.


The Protestant Reformation and the Rise of Denominational Diversity during the 16th century witnessed a significant shift in Christian belief with the advent of the Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther, John Calvin, and other reformers challenged certain practices and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church, giving rise to new Protestant denominations. This period saw significant theological transformations, such as the emphasis on salvation by faith alone (sola fide) and the priesthood of all believers. Consequently, Christianity became more diverse as denominations like Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anglicanism, and later, Methodism, Baptism, and Pentecostalism, emerged, each with its distinct beliefs and practices.

The Enlightenment and the growing secularization of the 17th and 18th centuries brought new intellectual challenges to traditional Christian beliefs. Philosophers and scholars questioned religious dogmas, emphasizing reason and empirical evidence. This period saw the development of Deism, a theological position that advocated for a God who created the universe but was not involved in its daily affairs. Consequently, Christianity faced increasing skepticism, leading to secularization and the rise of agnosticism and atheism as alternative belief systems.

Contemporary Christianity and Pluralism in the modern era of Christian belief has become more pluralistic and diverse. Ecumenical movements have aimed to foster dialogue and understanding among different Christian denominations. Additionally, interfaith dialogue has expanded the scope of Christian beliefs as Christians engage with other religious traditions. These interactions have led to the growth of liberal Christian theologies, such as liberation theology, feminist theology, and queer theologies, challenging traditional theological frameworks and promoting inclusivity and justice.
Can you tell me that in all these there aren't continued disputes?


The hatred you refer to is definitely not in all of them and if for other reasons Allah admits them into paradise by his mercy you dare question his decision? Feel free to.

Review and verify the meaning of the hadith on 73 you mention as well as explain how come there are generally varied degrees of agreement and disagreement amongst people

Then your question to me, why are there differing levels of understanding amongst people? We are not repetitions of the same thought and have different levels of faith and reasoning. It is simply perspective and a reason why we will be judged individually not collectively.

TenQ:
1. Unfortunately for you, Qur’an 14:4 is false?
Why? The Qur'an is not even understood by Arabs. If the Qur'an was true, how come you have so many Tafsirs that explain what is supposed to be clear speech of Allah?
Without the Tafsirs and the consensus of your scholars, is it allowed for any Muslim to interpret the Qur'an according to his understanding of the plain text of the Qur'an?


2. If Qur’an 14:4 is true, do you conceded that Mohammed is sent ONLY to the Arabs except you agree that there is a CONTRADICTION in the Qur'an : If Allah NEVER sent a prophet in the language of his people, who are the prophets sent to every tribe in Nigeria?
Allah gave his reason for this: is this reason invalid?

3. Is Qur’an 44:58 true?

Pardon my entry into your conversation however to your question 1. Could you tell us what you know about Tafsir and it's types? Perharps when you do you will answer your question.

There's no contradiction in Quran 14:4 as immediately Prophet Muhammad may Allah's blessings be upon him started his message with those immediately around him then from there to other places. What is the distance between Ethiopia and Mecca?

Then in Quran 7:158 it was revealed that Say Oh Muhammad ; Oh Mankind! Verily I am sent to you all as a messenger of Allah- to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth.

Just as well in Quran 34:28 We have sent you ˹O Prophet˺ only as a deliverer of good news and a warner to all of humanity, but most people do not know

Indeed for the emboldened you may be excused

And 3 you ask about Indeed, We have made this ˹Quran˺ easy in your own language ˹O Prophet˺ so perhaps they will be mindful.

in order that they may understand and know. Despite the fact that it is so plain and clear, there are still people who disbelieve, who stubbornly go against it.

Allah says to His Messenger, consoling him and promising him victory, and warning those who reject him that they will be destroyed.
(Wait then; verily, they (too) are waiting.) meaning, `they will come to know who will be victorious and whose word will prevail in this world and in the Hereafter. For victory will be for you, O Muhammad, and for your brothers among the Prophets and Messengers, and for the believers who followed you,' as Allah says:
(Allah has decreed: "Verily, it is I and My Messengers who shall be the victorious.'' Quran 58:21

Interesting that you are unable to provide correspondence from Hatun, DICC or other people you may know in common.

In any case the London Metropolitan Police say Hatun is no longer being treated as a missing person and it would not be appropriate for them to go into the details of either the investigation or any specific communication officers have had as part of it."

DCCI Ministries have also shared an update confirming that she has been in touch by email "saying that she is fine".

Did she reply your own email Tenq? Lol!

How many times was she attacked and stabbed anyway? Or you refer to 1 attack and multiple stabs from 1 new convert/revert? Wish you know how naturally violent some westerners/Europeans could be and the independence of Islam in this?

TenQ:
I should be the one asking you this question!

1.Is it untrue that Uthman created a SINGLE standardised Qur'an and distributed it to several cities for you Muslims After burning variants?

You remind me of an old acquaintance from over 2 decades back who says you can act intelligent by confidently misyarning. In other words when you boldly say rubbish you may fool people who don't know

The Uthman codex is the standard
text of the Quran which was
compiled and edited by the caliph
Uthman in the 7th century. It
included seven different riwayahs or
textual variants and all of them were
preserved and accepted as the
authentic and standard text of the
Quran.

You see your poor understanding of 1 that can accommodate all 7?

TenQ:
2. Can you explain why we have more than seven Arabic Qur'ans in existence.

In addition to the 7 well-known recitations, there are many other lesser-known recitations, each of which
has its own set of rules and regulations. These
additional recitations are believed to bring greater reward to the recitor due to the added emphasis on gaining Allah's pleasure. Each of the seven primary recitations has been thoroughly documented and is widely accepted by the Islamic community at large. By
reciting any of these seven recitations correctly, the recitor receives duas from innumerable angels,
attaining Added Mercy. Aside from reciting from the 7 riwayah, there are many other reasons why a muslim may choose to recite from other sources. These reasons include enhancing one's understanding of the language and interpretation, personal preference, exploring additional sources of hadith and other related religious data, and creative expression.

TenQ:
Let me help you out with a list
Hafs an Aasim
Warsh an Naafi'
Qalun an Naafi'
Al-Duri an Abu Amr
Khalaf an Hamzah
Khallad an Hamzah
Ibn Kathir an Tha'labi
Al-Kisa'i an Abi Amr
Ibn 'Amir an Shaybah
Hisham an Ibn 'Amir
Abu Ja'far an Madinah
Yaqub an Nafi'
Ruways an Rawh
Rooh an Rawh
Ishaq an Ibrahim
Idris an Dawood
Isa an Ubayd

Can you clarify what the difference between
Ibn Kathir an Tha'labi, Khalaf an Hamzah and
Khallad an Hamzah for a good example?

To your third question kindly elucidate on what meaning has changed.

TenQ:
How can this be true when Uthman destroyed all the existing Qur'ans and replaced it with one specifically in the Quraish dialect

Is this UNTRUE?


Can you explain why we have more than seven Arabic Qur'ans in existence.


Let me help you out with a list
Hafs an Aasim
Warsh an Naafi'
Qalun an Naafi'
Al-Duri an Abu Amr
Khalaf an Hamzah
Khallad an Hamzah
Ibn Kathir an Tha'labi
Al-Kisa'i an Abi Amr
Ibn 'Amir an Shaybah
Hisham an Ibn 'Amir
Abu Ja'far an Madinah
Yaqub an Nafi'
Ruways an Rawh
Rooh an Rawh
Ishaq an Ibrahim
Idris an Dawood
Isa an Ubayd

Does this question seem intelligent?
If he destroyed all and left one where then did the others arise from?

Uthman may Allah be pleased with him only acted to ensure that the Quran remained standardised and the message wasn't lost.

He ensured the standard structure that could accommodate the different styles of recitation and encouraged the consciousness of a body to see this remains so. This has been maintained all these centuries.

Check too that you didn't just write names more so where the individual names use the same style of recitation. You make a bigger deal in pauses during speech when saying the same sentence? Please are you for real?

TenQ:
Then surely you can educate all by responding to a simple question :


Which one of the Hafs or the Warsh Qur'an is the Quran of Allah?

I see you had been responded to before besides this is a recycled malicious mischief.

You are aware that there are 7 recitations of the Quran all of which were revealed. Be it Hafs or Warsh they are from Allah.
Is it alarming or surprising to you that this was done through one person?

Are you unaware that there are quite a number who have memorized all these recitals?

Do you state there being significant difference in the message conveyed in these different styles of recitation?

Ignorance unequalled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7s902-WdkE

TenQ:
Do I need to!?
I have at least two in my phone.

I have the Arabic Warsh Qur'an
and I have the Arabic Hafs Qur'an

The 30 plus Qur'ans you will find here if you are brave enough to watch it



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y7eWEjBBw4&si=rQJUXZcEqR7ca9KO



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYxxQQoYusI?si=ASsidCtuNOI2yBTf



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYxxQQoYusI&si=fcPiSI_2B5-HJk92




Which one of the Hafs or the Warsh Qur'an is the Quran of Allah?

Greenholics:
This is the origin of hatred Muslims have for Christians


Quran 5:14

Sahih International
And from those who say, "We are Christians" We took their covenant; but they forgot a portion of that of which they were reminded. So We caused among them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. And Allah is going to inform them about what they used to do.

Obvious difference between between being literate and educated. So we caused among them animosity. Animosity among who? No other but the Christians.

How do Christians see Catholics and vice versa?
How do Christians view Arians, Unitarians etc?

Jump to verse 5 and forgot the preceeding verses.
Quran:
9:1 [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists.


9:2 So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.


9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger.

So, if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away – then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.


9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].

Then following you have:

Quran:

9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.


9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].


9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.


9:9 They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing.

The word used here is مشركين mushrikeen, polytheist; so are you one?


Reference to Quran 3:151 which translates to mean
"We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers."

Only shows a feeling of terror or freight because 1. You disbelieve, 2. You associated with Allah and as you most likely prefer the almighty God what isn't and has no authority.

Well you may say you are an atheist so 1 suits you and if it's Ifa you are believe in Orunmila which makes it 2 and if you are more of a philosopher may your philosophy lead you to right conclusions however with the way you show just some literacy I doubt.

Use your gumsion and remember:

Greenholics:
Maybe you should show us any Hadith and agrees with you….




What about these verses, Is this still talking about judgment ?

9:5 But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists (Christian’s and Jews) wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


Also in Quran 3:151………. Should I go on??




You can lie and lie and lie again…. But you can’t change the fact that your prophet was a war lord attacking innocent people for personal gain while lying to his gullible followers that it is for Allah ( the moon god)



Now my question is, why remain in a religion that you have to lie to protect?

Indeed you are just one who likes to make baseless arguments .
You quote:
2:62) Whether they are the ones who believe (in the Arabian Prophet), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve

Do you feign ignorance about what a good number of Christians on this platform say about Allah?

How can you abuse, try to ridicule or equate Allah to an idol and then believe in him. Is that not hypocrisy or you claim they don't know they believe in him.

There's no point mentioning any names. See few pictures attached.

Note that I will not respond to any further observations or comments on this.

Greenholics:
Calm down before you get heart attack, we are not the cause of your ignorance.


Go take a sit son! You either done know or you choose to reject your schoolers….


Go read your quran and then come answer my questions on Mutah and benefit of ur prophet urine …… I am done with you … next!!!

How despicable? You talk of Mutah in the Quran and cannot produce a verse containing this? You sure have the opinion you are conversing with one who cannot read.

Anyway whatever you think or don't think remains your view and you cannot force it on me. Do good for yourself and live your Christian life to your best and bother less about things that don't concern you more so when you don't know about it rather than display your ignorance and being meddlesome.

At least follow your own scripture.

1 Thessalonians 4:10-12 Indeed, you already show your love for all the believers throughout Macedonia. Even so, dear brothers and sisters, we urge you to love them even more. Make it your goal to live a quiet life, minding your own business and working with your hands, just as we instructed you before. Then people who are not Christians will respect the way you live, and you will not need to depend on others.


1 Peter 4:15-16 If you suffer, however, it must not be for murder, stealing, making trouble, or prying into other people’s affairs. But it is no shame to suffer for being a Christian. Praise God for the privilege of being called by his name!

And finally
Proverbs 20:3 It is an honor for a person to cease from strife, but every fool quarrels

Greenholics:
Oya clap for your self cos you can differentiate between the Quran and the Hadith…. Oya clap for yourself.

Isn’t the use of the Hadith to explain Quran verse? So hilarious you asking me what I went to the Hadith, ok no vex I will not go to your very own Hadith again….. cos it seem the Hadith really pissed you off…... can’t you see you are tap Dancing?

Even Al bukhari says the men were reluctant to have the woman because their husband were there……



So you really don’t know what Mutar is….. Eyah go ask your sheik , y’all really don’t ready your holy books …… any Muslims that dare read the Quran and the Hadith ( not just cram the Arabic without knowing the meaning ) is on his way out of Islam.



Imagine equating child pornography act to law against pedophilia


You really don’t know nothing I thought it was only the Quran you happen not to read but it seems you don’t even know the history of the world , before the US there have been 100’s of very very advanced civilizations all over the world with law against pedophilia, an example is in ancient Africa communities it was a crime punishable by death, your ignorance is not an excuse …… this is the same ignorance your Islam teacher depend on to keep y’all in the bondage of Islam.


You don’t know what Mutar is, you don’t know what your prophet said about the benefit of his followers drinking his urine , you don’t know what your Quran says, you are rejecting the Hadith and your well accessory’s Islamic scholars …… you know nothing about the religion you are defending ….. and yet you are here shamelessly making a case for pedophilia, better go learn about your religion sir.


Lastly the aim of this post I made is to get people like you to a place where you will study ( not to memorizing the verse) your holy books on your own and asking questions….. because I am 100% when you start reading your Quran you will see the lies in Islam and take a turn. Peace and good luck

See who fails to show an argument! You say Mutah and it is not in the verse of the Quran you name or can you show it to me? You tell me to read the Quran believing you yourself know it yet you cannot specifically show where the word Mutah is? Who is false claiming here?

You run to a hadith which shows your further inadequacy as there is no word called Mutah there either. Can you precisely show your argument and stop meandering?

You are diverting that's why the initial talk on urine was ignored. In any case show me what prophet Muhammad says about this and also answer what Muhammad's statement on hadith is.

You ignorantly run to Bukhari and I ask you is it Bukhari that defines Islam? How can you teach what you yourself don't know? You are unable to show me Mutah and are running your keyboard in vain. Show me you can't!

Between you and me who is memorizing? You hear mutah and don't even know where it exists! A terrible show of bad comedy is all you display. State facts not whims.

Show me the laws you claim as talk is cheap or rather keyboard hounding ain't play.

Peace and good luck in finding frivolous claims of one who follows an attempt to slander he doesn't know about? Oh please!

[quote author=Greenholics post=127437997

Oya clap for your self cos you can differentiate between the Quran and the Hadith…. Oya clap for yourself.

Isn’t the use of the Hadith to explain Quran verse? So hilarious you asking me what I went to the Hadith, ok no vex I will not go to your very own Hadith again….. cos it seem the Hadith really pissed you off…... can’t you see you are tap Dancing?

Even Al bukhari says the men were reluctant to have the woman because their husband were there……



So you really don’t know what Mutar is….. Eyah go ask your sheik , y’all really don’t ready your holy books …… any Muslims that dare read the Quran and the Hadith ( not just cram the Arabic without knowing the meaning ) is on his way out of Islam.



Imagine equating child pornography act to law against pedophilia


You really don’t know nothing I thought it was only the Quran you happen not to read but it seems you don’t even know the history of the world , before the US there have been 100’s of very very advanced civilizations all over the world with law against pedophilia, an example is in ancient Africa communities it was a crime punishable by death, your ignorance is not an excuse …… this is the same ignorance your Islam teacher depend on to keep y’all in the bondage of Islam.


You don’t know what Mutar is, you don’t know what your prophet said about the benefit of his followers drinking his urine , you don’t know what your Quran says, you are rejecting the Hadith and your well accessory’s Islamic scholars …… you know nothing about the religion you are defending ….. and yet you are here shamelessly making a case for pedophilia, better go learn about your religion sir.


Lastly the aim of this post I made is to get people like you to a place where you will study ( not to memorizing the verse) your holy books on your own and asking questions….. because I am 100% when you start reading your Quran you will see the lies in Islam and take a turn. Peace and good luck[/quote]

Greenholics:
Quran 4:24

Jami' at-Tirmidhi 3017
3 Narrated Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri:
"We captured some women on the Day of Awtas and they had husbands among their people. That was mentioned to the Messenger of Allah (SAW) so Allah revealed: ..And women already married, “except” those whom your right hands possess...
(4: 24 )'


I guess you don’t know your Quran or maybe English is the problem, your Quran said married women are forbidden “except” those your right hand possesses (war) …. Which mean free married woman are forbidden but married woman caught as a result of war isn’t forbidden …. Or did you not see the work “except” …..


Those newer explanation you just gave me of the verse are person like you that are embarrassed by their prophet thus trying to add words to the English translation to make it more acceptable…. I am showing you stuff from your Hadith explanation by known scholars ….. and you are quoting people that did their narration few years ago. …. And yes! I know Arabic is that a crime?


Yet another tap dancing ….. pedophilia has been frowned at from the beginning of times that is the reason you don’t see records of such the Bible that was written over 1000 years before your prophet was even born …. Neither was in practice in ancient African societies, it was never a thing accepted……. Or maybe you have historically evidence to backup pedo. and prove to us that it was a thing and your prophet whom Allah speaks to directly shamelessly participated ( I guess Allah didn’t tell him it was evil ) hahahahahaahhaah you can’t defend the indefensible.


Look at this one trying to be petty….. such a shame …..without lies Islam dies that is the reason I keep daring you to prove your lies or dare you to face the truth……

And yes! The genocide happening in southern kaduna ( predominantly Christian) today is in line with what your Quran demand of y’all … that is the reason there is an Islamic sect called boko haram today that re branded to herd men and bandit. This is jihad going on in souther kaduna, that is the reason some communities pay taxes to the bandit and are spared ( in like with the teaching of your prophet)….. don’t deny your brothers now, I know it is permissible to lie in Islam but you can’t get away with it here.


Oh you don’t know what Mutar is? Ok no problem….. you know nothing about the religion you practice anyway so I am not surprised, many of you are born into it and can’t leave or risk death….. so I feel your pain, I pray God gives you the grace and courage to make the change you seek.

Also you didn’t say anything about benefit of drinking your prophet urine, I assume you don’t know what that is as well.

Now I leave you with this, as an educated person any religion you choose to practice (not just Islam) take your time and read the religious text, know it for your self, don’t assume nothing and don’t want to be spoon fed by your imam, that is how lies are transferred from generation to generation. Peace

Wonderful! You quote a part of Jami' at-Tirmidhi 3017 which is what the Quran or hadith and tell me I don't know the Quran?


Can you quote the arabic verse and translate the meaning directly?

What you failed to quote in full is:

Ahmad bin Mani’ told us, Hushaym told us, Othman Al-Batti told us, on the authority of Abu Al-Khalil, on the authority of Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri, he said, “We took captives.” And there were women who were wives among their people. They mentioned that to the Messenger of God, may God bless him and grant him peace, and it was revealed: (And chaste women, except those Your right hands have dominion.) Abu Issa said this is a good hadith. And thus Al-Thawri narrated on the authority of Uthman Al-Batti, on the authority of Abu Al-Khalil, on the authority of Abu Sa’id Al-Khudri on the authority of the Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, there is something similar in this hadith on the authority of Abu Alqamah, and I do not know that anyone mentioned Abu Alqamah in this hadith, except for what Hammam mentioned on the authority of Qatada and Abu Al-Khalil, whose name is Salih bin Abi Maryam

What is difficult to understand from the Quran text that you need to go to the hadith to understand? And it does not contain Mutah so I still don't get your point. Show me in all you wrote where the Mutah is?

Where are the husbands of these women? It doesn't say in what you relate.


Can you tell me what Muhammad says about hadith since you use them so much in your argument?

Point of correction, you feel I am embarrassed and I am not. How do you reason for me or know my thoughts?

You claim to know what I think, and are fa mistaken. You're mistaken because you can never know what another person is thinking unless they tell you. The best you can do is to assume various things and yet you be very far off. The best way to know is to directly ask to get me to tell you.

People often don’t really know what they think about something until they have reflected on it.

You arbitrarily say paedophilia has been frowned at for 1000s of years can specify exactly where at least I mentioned the united states congress and put a date to it?

Greenholics:
These are the lies they added for non Arabic readers I dare you to copy the Arabic translation and get a translator or translate it online. …. In fact I will help you.



Quran 2:24 … ۞ وَٱلْمُحْصَنَـٰتُ مِنَ ٱلنِّسَآءِ إِلَّا مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَـٰنُكُمْ ۖ كِتَـٰبَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ ۚ وَأُحِلَّ لَكُم مَّا وَرَآءَ ذَٰلِكُمْ أَن تَبْتَغُوا۟ بِأَمْوَٰلِكُم مُّحْصِنِينَ غَيْرَ مُسَـٰفِحِينَ ۚ فَمَا ٱسْتَمْتَعْتُم بِهِۦ مِنْهُنَّ فَـَٔاتُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ فَرِيضَةًۭ ۚ وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِيمَا تَرَٰضَيْتُم بِهِۦ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ٱلْفَرِيضَةِ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيمًا حَكِيمًۭا ٢٤.


“And chaste women, except those whom your right hands possess. God has ordained for you, and He has made lawful for you anything beyond that, if you seek And keep your wealth, guarded and not transgressing. And whatever of them you enjoy, give them their due wages, and there is no blame on you for what you see. You have followed it after the obligatory prayer. Indeed, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 2”


The verse didn’t say anything about marriage ……. let’s say for the sake of argument, why marry a women who is “still” married and her husband is alive!!!! You see your argument is weak and has no legs to stand on?



Your second point was about the pedophilia claim you asked me to prove …… and I show you where your prophet married a 6 years old …. Isn’t that pedophilia ? Like alway you decided to change the deviate saying it was a thing popular during the time of your prophet ( you mean your prophet copied the culture of the unbelievers and pagan worshipper ….. and this is your role model? ) ….. you are confusing early marriage to pre puberty marriage? Early marriage was a thing ( among the Arabs ) but they don’t marry ladies that haven’t seen their period yet! Will you allow your 6 year old daughter get marriage to a 53 year old man? I leave that for your conscience to answer.

I dare you to explain why you think the Age of Ayesha as stated in your holy books is wrong when all your Muslim scholar agree she was 6 year old …… you are too embarrassed that you want to contradict the writing of people that were there physically with your prophet and witness it all…. Smh





As for the black stone kissing, yet against you doing your tap dancing, trying to change the topic of discussion ….. i said your prophet is an idol worshipper you asked me to prove it and i did show you in your Quran.
Also muhammed doing it is all the command y’all need, cos y’all place him above God and follow all what he does hook line and sinker , he did the kissing and ask y’all to do same stating that it will take your sins away and speak for y’all on the day of judgment…… that is the reason Muslims world wide rush to Mecca till today….. you are too embarrassed to call it idolatry thus saying it’s not a commandment in Islam just to save face.


And yet again your tap dancing…. You ask me what I understand by 7th century act of war, I told you and made you understand that Muslims worldwide do not follow what the act state, I gave you examples, verifiable examples in history, some that happened back home in our country Nigeria …….. yet against you decide to tap dance and asking me what I understood by jihad ….. hahahahaah I already explained what jihad is in those examples I gave , I guess it’s bitter a pill to swallow. Whatever your white wash definition of Jihad is does not change the fact that violence is a core part of Islam … your Quran and history is enough evidence. Even till today the violence is still being practiced all over the world.



I knew you will deny being a Sunni so you can reject the Hadith, but you can’t you are stuck with it….. 90% of Muslims in Nigeria are Sunni , you can’t deny that.

Whatever you Quran say does not change the fact that Islam is divided into Sunni, shiite and Khawarij ….. as a matter of fact there are 73 sect but these 3 are the main ones. That is a fact you can’t change even if you close your eyes to it same way you can’t save time by take the battery of the clock.

Lastly I saw how you couldn’t explain Mutar, you stylishly avoided from my previous comment….. but I will not press you on that, I know you are embarrassed.

Now I have a question for you….

According to your prophet was are the benefit of drinking his urine?

Is it Quran 2:24 or 4:24? I guess that's a typo.

Anyway your acclaimed expertise in Arabic language doesn't show you that women having husbands have also been made unlawful. So far as a woman is married to a person, no other person can marry her.

Look at a list of translations of the meaning here.

Muhammad Asad

And [forbidden to you are] all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess [through wedlock]: this is God's ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all [women] beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after [having agreed upon] this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything [else]: behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise

The Clear Quran, Dr. Mustafa Khattab

Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession. This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.


Safi Kaskas

[You are forbidden to marry] women who are already married, except from those whom your right hands held in trust . God has ordained all of this for you. Other women are lawful to you as long as you seek to marry them and not for unlawful intimacy. If you wish to enjoy women through marriage, you will give them their bridal-gift. If you should mutually choose, after fulfilling this obligation, to do something else with the bridal-gift, you will not be blamed. God is All-Knowing and All-Wise.

Could you point at the arabic text Mutah(المتعة)
in the Quran 4:24 or any other quran verse.

Do read Quran 4:22 - 26.

Educate me please in what year was the standard for paedophilia set? I know the united states congress passed the Child Pornography Prevention Act in 1996. Can you tell me of other earlier jurisdiction?

Why do you like to dare? Are we playing truth or dare to part with money or take in drink till you get drunken? You are the wise one and are presenting an argument which really is of no consequence. Did you exhaust all information about your proposal before presenting it? Watch your head shaking so it doesn't give you pain.

I never asked you to show me that my prophet was an Idol worshipper. It appears you assume this. In any case repeatedly the Quran has statements forbidding worshipping anything other than Allah the unseen almighty God. Principles of belief which is foremost to being a muslim (believer in one almighty God).

Why do you make comparisons with what happens in Nigeria today. What exactly is the link; did these events follow a directive from the prophet? Can you show how and when?

You only follow conjecture about Sunni or Shia or any other muslim sect you know. I have shown you the Quran verse which says muslims should not be divided amongst themselves. If acclaimed muslims decide to do this that issue is between them and Allah. I am simply muslim no buts.

I cannot explain Mutar or whatever you call it and implore you to show me where it is written in the Quran perharps it would be understood.

Greenholics:
It’s either you don’t know the Quran or you think we don’t know the Quran if not you should be ashamed to even ask these question, but since you want me to further disgrace your prophet…. Who am I to say no. Lol

First This is the most senseless excuse ever, so because Muhammad didn’t start slavery thus he is absolved from all blame? He attacking peaceful communities simply because they refuse to accept Islam, I thought y’all said your prophet was for all generation? So you mean to tell us your so called prophet was selling slaves just in the same way the unbelievable did? Now what is the difference between him and the unbelievers he hated so much? Allah didn’t tell him that slavery was evil?

Muhammad even wen as far as encouraging his followers to rape slaves woman ( Quran 4:24) even when their husband are alive…….

As for mutah this is a very interesting one, Mutah, (Arabic: “pleasure”) in Islamic law, a temporary marriage that is contracted for a limited time (could be hours, days or months) and involves the payment of money to the female partner in exchange for intercourse ….. isn’t this prostitution? Your Prophet was using female Muslims believers are prostitute ……. I know you will likely come lie that it was always happing during the time of your prophet and he didn’t start it, I hope you know there is no history evident from non Muslim sources to back that up? None!

Quran 4:24
Also ˹forbidden are˺ married women—except ˹female˺ captives in your possession.1 This is Allah’s commandment to you. Lawful to you are all beyond these—as long as you seek them with your wealth in a legal marriage, not in fornication. Give those you have consummated marriage with their due dowries. It is permissible to be mutually gracious regarding the set dowry. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.

Greenholics:
Yes he is a pedo. And here is my proof in your Hadith ( you are Sunni thus you can’t deny or call this Hadith weak, this is Al-bukhari)

“ Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death)…….

What do we call a man that mounted a 9 years old? Isn’t that pedophilia, a child that haven’t seen her period yet… and this is the man you follow? You should be hide your face in shame.

You have quoted a narration in Sahih Bukhari. Show me a narration that says he was wrong to have contracted this marriage at that time. Not the present or later day evaluation of this union.

Is this difficult for you to understand as my question or you simplify don't comprehend.
There's no need going into analysis of why the ages mentioned may be wrong.

Greenholics:
As for the black stone…..
Kissing and smooching and venerating it is idol worship, we all know the pagan origin of the black stone it is in your Quran, the pagan were doing the exact Same kissing and smooching your prophet emulated, it was even a cause of concern for muhammed followers that even Umar ibn al-Khattāb reported that he came to the Black Stone and kissed it and said: "Verily, I know that you are a stone that can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) kissing you, I would not have kissed you." 
- [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

The same black stone your prophet said got blacks cos of your sins, will get eyes and mouth on the last day to intercede on y’all behalf… and will take away your sins ( just like Allah) …….. isn’t that an idol god y’all worship? And y’all make fun of Christians for believing in the trinity.

Where is the command that makes it compulsory to kiss the black stone? Did Umar command other people to kiss the stone or recording him saying this makes it a command to do so?
Is this what your wise reasoning tells you?


Then in finality give a precise definition of Jihad.


You say I am Sunni? How do you know? Indeed you show your error as you don't know me to conclude thus?
Quran 3:103
And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you – when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided.

Is Sunni a division or not of Muslims?

Kobojunkiee:
I fail to see what any of these private ideas of yours have to do with that which is established in Scripture and remains the same eternally.

Cheers!

Greenholics:
Why Muhammad was not a prophet?

- It is impossible that a man in his mid-54’s could engage in sexual intercourse with a nine-year-old child (Aysha), and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could finance his religious and political community by robbing the trade caravans that passed through his area on their annual trips between Arabia and Syria, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could encourage his adopt son (Zeid) to divorce his wife (Zeinab) so that he, the father, could marry her, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could lie to his wife (Hafsa) to get her out of the house so that he could sleep with the slave girl (Mariyah) he had given her as a gift, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could call other men to follow him, and then watch them die one after the other in the battles he instigated to build his empire while giving them promises of the sexual Paradise with 72 virgins that awaited them, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could behead three Jewish tribes men who had lived in his city for centuries for the simple reason they refused to accept him as their leader, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could trade the Jewish wives and daughters of the men he had just beheaded for weapons and horses, and be a prophet of God.

- It is impossible that a man could be so fearful of criticism that he would send a man at night to kill the mother of a nursing child because of the poems she had written against him, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could sentence a woman to death by having her limbs attached to camels that moved in opposite direction pulling her apart, then behead her and parade her severed head through Medina, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could torture a young Jewish tribal leader to death to obtain his money, and then "marry" his 17-year old widow (Safiya) the same night, and be a prophet of G-d.

- It is impossible that a man could allow his followers to have sex with their female slaves as well as their prisoners of war, whether or not they were married, and be a prophet of G-d.

Peace




I know they will come with violence…… it is Al they know! But I dare anyone to call me a liar and ask me for proof in the Quran and Hadith ….. I dare you!!!!!

It really most matters to you what you think or don't think. You wouldn't be the first and surely not the last. We all have intellect and free will. In it all we will be responsible for our actions or inactions.

And if they deny you, [O Muhammad] - so, before them, did the people of Noah and 'Aad and Thamud deny [their prophets
And the people of Abraham and the people of Lot
And the inhabitants of Madyan. And Moses was denied, so I prolonged enjoyment for the disbelievers; then I seized them, and how [terrible] was My reproach.

Kobojunkie:
1. The title of Holy Spirit in the Old Law of Moses went to the Spirit of Eternal Life. However, the title goes to the Spirit of Truth in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ. (The Spirit of Eternal Life is offered freely to those who are born-again in Christ but the Spirit of Truth must be attained by all those who wish to become of Jesus Christ after becoming born-again.) They are two different Spirits. Both have indeed been there from even before the beginning. They were also there in the garden of Eden — the Tree of Life(Eternal Life) and the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil(Truth).

New covenant, old covenant or current covenant; how well are these adhered to? If the creator remains the same what exactly does he want of his creation? Be true to self first and live your to your best amongst others.

The spirit of eternal life is often viewed as a source of hope and comfort, particularly in times of grief and loss. How can this be meaningful if it lacks truth? We should be less critically philosophical as it is not that difficult to tell the truth except we rather get lost in philosophy.

The spirit of eternal life and the spirit of truth are interconnected concepts that have the power to inspire and guide individuals towards a deeper understanding of the ultimate nature of existence.

Whatever our individual convictions it is best we act best on them regardless of the views of another. There's no point trying to enforce individual convictions on another.

Best regards.

SIRTee15:
When u are ready to answer my question, let me know?

Which exactly is?