₦airaland Forum

mbatuku2:
what I dont want is the belief of Igbos coming from different origins

But they do. . . .

odumchi:
Igbos
Igboland had been fortunate enough to escape British Imperialism for several years after other parts of Nigeria had been conquered. The Igbo existed in the stretch of land that lay between the Edo and the Efik. The British had made several attempts to advance into the Igbo country but they were rebuffed by the Aro confederacy and it's allies to the south and the Aniocha communities to the West. Originally, the British traded palm oil, slaves, wine, fabrics and firearms with many Igbo groups but they grew anxious to tap into the vast wealth of the hinterland and destroy the Aro Ibini Ukpabi shrine which held a monopoly on the slave trade. In the late 1890s, after several failed attempts to end the slave trade, the British used it as an excuse and formally invaded the Igbo country. In the southern areas of what is now Rivers state, they had success and captured a few trading posts. The Aros, seeing this as a threat to their prosperity launched a series of attacks aimed at halting the British advance. The British themselves responded by launching an all out assault on Igbo communities allied with the Aros which ended in 1902 after a hundreds of  British soldiers and their allies defeated tens of thousands of Aro troops. The capture of Arochukwu signaled the opening of eastern Igboland to the British, however, the Western part still lay closed.
In the West, the Igbo had been engaged in warfare with the British since 1884. The Ekumeku movement, as it came to be called, was an attempt by several Igbo groups namely, Ukwunzu, Aniocha and others to dislodge the British from the area. However the war ended on 1914 after Asaba and other key cities were captured. By the end of 1915, the road into the Igbo heartland and the east were open. However it was not until 1920, after the Aba women's riot that the Igbo were firmly under Imperial British control.

The Western part was already well open, even to the point that we have pictures of people in those parts from the 19th century. The British post itself was in Asaba (and Onitsha) and they called on Frontier troops, or whatever those bare foot African soldiers were called, from other parts of British West Africa when the rebellions got too tough. The Ekumeku was secret and underground and people were regularly arrested.

The oil palm trading was based in Asaba. The whole problem of colonisation started with greedy traders. Compare that with China and other East Asian countries that kept their borders tightly closed.

PhysicsQED:
Niger Coast Protectorate troops (Hausas, basically) were used against the Aro, not British soldiers.

It was actually the West African Frontier Force. There were over 80 European officers there and over 2000 men on the European side over 4 months so there were probably over 100 Europeans.

PhysicsQED:
When the Ndebele (who are basically a group of Zulus) were invaded with maxim guns, the result was similar to the simpler invasions in other parts of Africa.

The Ndebele are a smaller group driven out by the Zulu, they have a different language and culture. That would be like Ibibio being Igbo.

mbatuku2:
Superior firepower and advanced military tactics by the Europeans.

Britain? Advanced? Maybe if Admiral Nelson was there but making others gang up on one another isn't that advanced, or black mailing or blockading. Without their guns they'd be nothing just like the Zulu case.

MsDarkSkin:
LOL they sold each other out. It's as simple as that.

Who sold who out?

Eko Ile:
^^^ You too should have ignored him, 15 people did, but you did not,

We all know him. Next time, just ignore his nuisance rubbish

No witty comments today?

Ask northerners of Abia what they saw in 2000.

chino11:
Abia state capital umahia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_eHbzBZPnA

Uh, since when is OKIJA in Abia?

asha 80:
if you can find them in chad and burkina faso why do you think they would not be found in niger?

Relax101:
When an Igbo man was the Niger Ambassador to the Uk, the question didn't pop up.
Igbos are Iraq and Afghanistan, now. Fact!

The question is, WHY the are they in Niger Republic?

asha 80:
is this supposed to be a joke?

Why the would that be a joke?

EzeUche:
Igbo people are everywhere. There are probably Igbos in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ha gbaliala, let them not complain when their kids turn Boko Haram and Al Qaeda or is it Hezbollah and Mujahadeen. In fact are they also in the Bermuda circle, the fountain of youth and at the Holy Grail?

What the are Igbo people doing in Niger republic?

okooyinbo:
All these small children sha. Look at the one contradicting himself about Germans not being a tribe. Have you studied the Germans? Have you been here? Do you speak our language? Do you know the diferences between Bavarian and Swabs, the Saxons and the Franks? Do you know that these individual German tribes are still in existence till today? Do you know that their languages (dialect to be precise) are still spoken despite the introduction of standard German hundred of years ago?

So are Germans a tribe, or are Bavarians and the rest a tribe? Also, since you're more knowledgeable about Germany, can you tell us whether Bavaria, Saxony, and the rest of German states are seriously referred to today as tribes and whether people identify with tribes like the Franks and Saxons in modern Germany?

Nigerians are usually follow-follow, so it's no surprise that Abia State was scapegoated when the whole of Nigeria is generally shit. No excuse for the "governor" of Abia state, Oche Ego, but there's too much exaggeration from people who have never been to Abia State to the point that you'd think Abia's roads were all worn to the earth. To be honest it's not different from any other state in Nigeria except Imo, Enugu (well, the city), Rivers, Lagos, and FCT.

Yehudi, Judah.

MsDarkSkin:
because. . .it's in Africa.

So when someone asks you where you're from what do you say?

Bamaguje:
@Ezeago, I agree but dont you believe people will evolve out of this phenomena eg. Hausaland consist of kingdom but with the influence of Arab and fulani, it merged into Hausa-fulani that is heavily laced with Islam, iethnic group has become synonymous with Muslim. Same goes for Yoruba and Igbo that has been influenced by Europeans.

Hausa Fulani evolved into Northern Nigeria, Yoruba into West, Igbo into East. Now in 21st century they have all mixed up, im sure in the next 50 years if Nigeria remained intact, Those groups mentioned will evolve into something else now that they intermingle more than before.culture will become irrevelant due to evolutionary changes.

Give me one example of a community not knowing whether they are Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa. Fulani conquered Hausa states and their Sahel cultures would have made it an easier merger, do you see Igbo and Fulani merging anytime soon?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=810138.msg9632499#msg9632499 date=1322246318]not all Saxons and Angles left Germany. some were left behind. the area around Germany was inhabited by some Greater and SEPARATE ethnic groups. the Celtic and Gaulish peoples to the West, The Slavic and Baltic peoples to the East and what you call, The Germanic people in between along with the Franks, etc and not to mention other Gothic and Visigothic tribes and Teutonic peoples. the different tribes in this area were the Saxons, Franci, Thuringii, Alamanni, Bavarii, Vandals, Lombards, Burgundians, Suebi, Sorbs and Veleti.

Now during the Pagan days, all these tribes did not intermarry, since they had different genetics (escpeciall when you compare tribes from different Greater gorups such as between the Frankish peoples and the Slavic people or between the Celts and the Norsemen, etc). they also, ofcourse, had different cultures and religions. however within a Greater Ethnic group, some tribes kept forming or dying out or merging, since they shared the same culture, religion and blood/genetics.


Now after christianity, ALL THESE TRIBES MERGED AND BECAME ONE, TO FORM A MONGREL/ MIXED-RACE PEOPLES CALLED ""THE GERMANS""


all the culture, lifestyle, religion, etc lost in one go. then came the various diseases such as the bubonic plague, small pox, german rubella measles, etc. people lost all form of morals and culture and their descendants set out to colonize , kill and massacre. ofcourse the Nazis are a spawn of german invention.  


[img]http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/album_image.php?pic_id=9531[/img][/quote]This sounds like a lot of subjective stuff, especially the last part and the part about tribes not intermarrying because of "different genetics". The fact is just because they are called "Germanic tribes" doesn't mean they have completely different cultures or that they do not share some general ancestry. It makes no sense for Germans to not be a tribe because they are descended from other migrating tribes, when it's the same way every human population was created, including the Aztec and Han, who you claimed were tribes. The Han themselves had several different kingdoms and cultures before unification, so how are they a tribe by your definition (being completely composed of one type of human from Eve).

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=810138.msg9632499#msg9632499 date=1322246318]ahahahaha thats the most absurd claim i have ever come across!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Fulani  are a separate and Distinct ethnic group, comprising of subtribes, such as the Bororo. The Fulani as a whole is what i would call a[b] Greater Tribe[/b], with its sub-tribes.

just because they are brown-skinned, it doesnt mean that they are mixed race. infact the Fulani are the most tribal of the lot! the Chinese, Indians, etc are not mixed race. they have many separate tribes in their nations.

This is NOT a black and white world. THIS IS A WORLD OF COLOUR.[/quote]Fulani are a result of the people of Sahara being pushed back to Western Africa by Berbers. And on the issue of subgroup, what makes one a subgroup and one a tribe. Why are Anglo Saxons not a subgroup of the Germanic peoples? And how can a tribe have a subgroup in the first place?

I hope you know your theory of tribes being composed of one "type" of human from the beginning of time is baseless?

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA link=topic=810138.msg9632499#msg9632499 date=1322246318]infact the Fulani are the most tribal of the lot![/quote]Can you explain?

That's a translated Bible. Jewish people today don't even call themselves Jewish or Jew in their language.

BlackLibya:
What I meant is that in their traditional beliefs, they trace themselves to their god Chukwu am I correct?

They are a part of Chukwu, but they trace themselves to the oldest male (and sometimes female) progenitor they can.

The Nri-Oka as in language. Nri, or Nshi as in most claims of ancestry, like from the obi of Owa and the people of Aniocha (which is why there's an Ogwa Nshi Ukwu)

Most people in the west speak like Oka people that have grown up in Benin. They're Nri Oka, that's what they claim.

BlackLibya:
Not literally, and I said a common ancestor not a family. An example would be the Yoruba, who in their traditional beliefs, trace themselves back to a single entity. The Igbo also trace themselves back to a specific entity. The Habesha people of Ethiopia also trace their ancestry back to a common ancestor(although they are split into various tribes).

In essence though, I think you can kind of get the point.

The Igbo definitely don't trace themselves even to a common tribe, but maybe a wide region dating thousands of years which was only found out recently. That's how I knew the common ancestry requirement for a tribe wouldn't fit all groups in Nigeria.

But back to the point, I still don't understand "tribal culture".

Bamaguje:
If you study Anthropology(study of humanity) and Human evolution, you will realise that none of this matter anymore in this 21st century, anyone that is trying to identify himself to their ethnic group(tribal is a crude word, it original means a group of 500-1000 people in prehistoric days ), is due to insecurity and if one is fighting for his ethnic group, one is fighting for a lost cause, we have seen the fate of Awolowo,Ahmadu Bello and Azikiwe who were actually a regional nationalists not NATIONALIST on a federal level.

Humans are naturally bound to interbreed, it has always been like that since the beginning of a written history of a mankind. As a humanist, i only respect and like a person base on their character and personality not ethnic group,race,religion or ideology.

Someone who identifies with an ethnic group (like at least 90% of humans) isn't necessarily a racist, just like a nationalist isn't automatically a xenophobe. "Interbreeding" has been happening for thousands of years, some ethnic groups (like the Fulani) are a result of "interbreeding" and people will always identify with a clan, tribe, group, country as long as there's human civilisation.

mbatuku2:
Yes. If it's not Igbo, it has to be something.

But how are you sure its not Igbo?

mbatuku2:
No big deal, really, ezeagu. If some people have no qualms that their progenitors come as far as Mecca, this is not far-fetched.

Aros also claim a jewish origin too.

A lot of groups claim semitic origin, or should I say a lot of members of Nigerian groups claim. The problem is that most didn't even know what a Hebew was before 1850. The whole "Jewish" thing really is embarrassing. "Jewish" isn't even what the Hebrews and Israelites called themselves.

[quote author=ada - ide link=topic=779900.msg9631464#msg9631464 date=1322236855]its not far fetched. though there is no proof. alot of igbo idoms and proverbs, have the same meaning with Hebrew ones esp. when translated directly. you might be right after all.[/quote]Do you think it's only with far-flung Israel that Igbo people share cultural similarity with?

kabukabu50:
For Black Americans, I rub it in their face because they should know that 1 out of every 4 black people on Earth is NIGERIAN.

That would mean there are over 250 million Nigerians on earth.

Beaf:
If Nigeria begins to disintegrate today, Ihejirika go face im front and hansa im papa name.
Right now, he is expected to defend the nation.

That's just it. The army can't protect Nigerians being massacred all over the country but are issuing warnings all over the place. In fact let me not say anything to disrespect the army.

[quote author=Mr, Cork link=topic=810781.msg9631150#msg9631150 date=1322233849]becoz London is far more superior to Africa!! (no oofeince)  [/quote]Are you speaking London?

People are to ashamed to say where their from, people are too ashamed to say what language they speak, people are even too ashamed to say their own native names.

"I'm going back to Africa. . "
"I'm from Africa. . . "

I once heard Oluchi the model say "when I was in Africa", this is from someone who won a modelling competition in Nigeria. Nigeria isn't anything to be proud of anyway.

Are some similarities enough to conclude that Eri is Hebrew?

What makes people believe so?

kl2020:
african culture and tradition is very dirty, ugly and scary anyway, i dont give a F%$#k if it fades or not,

Stay in ATL eating cryogenic cheese.

The meaning depends on tone, the Hebrew origin is a bit far fetched.

emmke:
smart stuff. Entice them into your union by offering them the first presidency. After that, what? U rule them forever? Highly probable cos the igbos will be overwhelming majority. Wont be too long before the non-igbo biafrans will cry marginalisation and seek cessation.

Are you from anywhere near the Cross River?

But Saxons and Angles are from Germany. Germans didn't come from them. And by that definition (mixing of peoples makes a people not a tribe) few people on earth are part of tribes.

Then groups like the Han, Aztec, and Germans are a tribe?

BlackLibya:
Tribal culture is the original culture practiced by a group of people who trace their ancestry to a common man or woman.

It is their set of beliefs, values, clothes, language, economy, and government that they have practiced in accordance with their traditional beliefs.

Tribal culture is stronger than national culture. Unless the tribe itself is a nation.

Then many Nigerian groups don't have a tribal culture since they don't trace their ancestry to a common family.