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Someone needs to explain what "tribal culture" is first.

BlackLibya:
According to the Igbo article on wiki, the Nri Kingdom did not trade slaves and all slaves were considered free once they stepped into these lands. Furthermore, Igbo slaves were dealt with on an egalitarian basis, and even had their own slaves.

Now, according to this book, Igbo culture has been shaken completely to the bone by Christianity. This book is written by Edmund Ilogu. Contrary to what people on this thread say, the book indicates a British hegemony over the Igbo people even before 1890, through the use of missionaries backed by the Empire. This is in line with what the Wiki article has on Igbo people being a society bound religiously and not by kings or single rulers.

You can read the book here, the link starts right at the immediate losses to Igbo culture caused by Christianity. I would be interested to know if people are trying to revive these.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0uMUAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA63

Missionaries arrived in small numbers in Onitsha around the 1850s, they only started venturing to other parts of Igboland, e.g the south eastern parts, after defeating the Aro in a war which the British had to do in order to open up that area and to establish the Southern Protectorate.

BlackLibya:
Igbo people traveled far and wide, even going all the way to Meccah. How can you say they were not influenced by these styles? The men who were the travelers possibly adapted various styles to igbo culture while the women maintained a distinct attire that unique only to Igbos. In many tribal cultures around the world the women can be seen to be the last to change.

BTW, im not saying the Igbo didnt develop these styles, im just giving food for thought.

Igbo people did not travel to Meccah, you're probably talking about long distance trading, which was carried out by middle men through Northern Igboland and the ethnicity's/states between them and the Hausa/Sahel. There wasn't any particular need to travel to Meccah and I believe if there was there would be accounts of people travelling (apart from legends of people leaving for Timbuktu every blue moon, which isn't an established route) and there's be words in Igbo for foreign ideas/people that predate 1901.

The point was about people doing the enslaving, because someone said others were enslaving Igbo people which is untrue. Igbo people were selling Igbo people, to other Igbo people or to the coast.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=807895.msg9625688#msg9625688 date=1322159765]jaja of opobo:

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is bonny in imo state?[/quote]How do you think he got to Bonny, a major slave trading state with a slave trail leading to his hometown that's still present today?

Jaja of Opobo was sold in a region notorious for being a source of slaves, way deep in the hinterland (now northern Imo state), Olaudah was captured by people who obviously came from nearby seeing as their community was only nearest to Benin (as a foreign land).

Is trading slaves from others the same as enslaving?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=807895.msg9625417#msg9625417 date=1322157407]^^so who sold igbos to the americas?

yorubas?[/quote]It's not difficult. Igbo people sold Igbo people.

There were no "Ijaws" and "Calabars" enslaving Igbo people, and the reverse case as well.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=807895.msg9625327#msg9625327 date=1322156727]^no need to act s.tupid.

are you saying yorubas sold igbos into slavery?[/quote]tpia@, if you're not sure about something, then ask.

Actually, I see why they say the internet, and nairaland in particular is quite powerful.

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Very accurate. Lovely. The ideal. 2015 please come!

And if you listen to the poster above then you will embarrass yourself in front of the knowledgeable.

I don't know Nhi, but the West call it Nshi, like the Obi of Owa claimed and like Ogwashi is supposedly named after.

First of all, what is "tribal culture" and "tribal languages"?

BlackLibya:
All of it could potentially be traditional Igbo clothing except for the men in the Western business suits. In all honesty it appears that there was a certain diffusion of clothing styles amongst all people in West Africa. At least when one considers what we have posted in this thread so far. The clothing in the picture reminds me of the clothing many nomadic/savannah peoples wore. Obviously the longer pieces appear to be inspired by the Mandé peoples. In general the people with greater status will wear more elaborate clothes and the people with lesser status will wear more common clothes or sometimes nothing.

Different groups created their own styles at different times. Igbo people have/had little interaction with Mande people, so their clothing aren't necessarily related because of similarities.

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BlackLibya:
What is most obvious from the pictures you've shown is that none of the popular clothing Igbo people wear today is what they wore traditionally.

I know women mostly don't, but men do.

BlackLibya:
Well from the pictures I have seen in an old book here they are just like any other african peoples. Appeared to be some type of leather clothing, intricate in its own way you know. The adornments and hair and such. I wish I could buy this book so you could see the pictures, hopefully it is still there we have so many Africans here someone might have bought it buy now. It's about 100 years old this book.

Anyway, if the Yoruba exchanged much with the Benin people they probably wore quite some clothes. As you can see in all the drawings which all predate colonialism, the Benin people were wearing clothes.

I know 100% Igbo people do not wear their traditional clothes. Whatever they are calling traditional now is not what they were wearing. I wish people would stop trying to reinvent what their "traditional" is and just wear what they wore. It's nothing to be ashamed of. People in Botswana still wear their skins, there are festivals in the pacific where people who go and work in office buildings during the week, where they tribal clothes. It's our culture, its what WE made.

So out of all the clothing pictured below, which would be the Igbo traditional clothes, bearing in mind most of the pictures were taken before 1910.

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The case where?

Sophisticated Igbo archaeology start in the 9th century so there a lot of things that could be claimed to come from the Igbo. Anyone else with items dating further back, apart from random pots, can post them or shut up.

According to Chikodi Añunobi (from Nri):

Uyanna, now known as Nri, moved south and settled at an uninhabited lake. He called his community Nri, meaning the ideal (or at least the beginning of it).

http://books.google.com/books?id=WCE9VKm7qO4C&pg=PA6&dq=%22nri,+meaning%22

Ǹrì (also Ǹshì and Ǹhì). Best thing to do is to ask Nri people.

Random internet websites and books are not "cited journals".

Enugu is empty, Owerri is just rising small now, there's hardly any formal business in Onitsha, Asaba is okay, all the other towns are dead, all because people are moving to other regions. I wonder if they witness the same competition in population 30m Igboland the same as tiny Lagos city with population 20m, or Kano with population 2m. There's hardly even a proper Igbo town with more than 1 million people. Western Igboland itself probably has a population density that's comparable with most northern states.

redsun:
The igbos bring light to darkness,they colonize places that needs commercialization and make the people see that there are services to offer and  monies to make.

Nigeria is too small to cage the igbos.

And are there any images of Igboland that can attest to this fact? Have the Igbo developed their own lands?

Obiagu1:
Any Igbo talking bad about Igbos in the North, I spit on you and I'll spit on your grave too. Useless goons that were spoon fed and don't know what life is.
How many Igbos have you ever helped in your life? How many of them did you give scholarship or gave money to start business in the East.
Have you ever asked yourselves how those Igbos ended up in the North?

I just wish some of you will witness real hardship and see what live is. If there's an opportunity in Afghanistan, you'll be the first to go.

F.O.O.L.S!

Just on TV, I saw a woman who gave up a good business in the east, only to pack up and move with her family to Jos just to sell Akara. People in not only the southeast, but the east are not starving in the same way as people in other regions. Nothing will make a sane man go and invest everything he has in a hostile state, as if there aren't other regions in Nigeria, and as if there isn't a country a few miles from most people villages. Maybe you should ask how much it was worth for the ones who went to the North and were killed to earn that extra Naira up there.

Egusi may be a shared word, like akara, but Okro is Igbo.

[quote author=Chyz* link=topic=807895.msg9618757#msg9618757 date=1322077775]I laugh at the whole oduduwa thing because they claim he is yoruba and Oduduwa(Odua,Oduwa) is a yoruba name/word,yet, it has no meaning in their language. The other story is that he is from Saudi Arabia, yet, there's nothing like or close to a name like Oduduwa(Odua, Oduwa) in Arabic.

I wonder why the name has a meaning in Igbo and so does it in Bini laguage, and both of those meanings are similar. . .hmmm? Can the yorubas expalin this one please? [/quote]You mean like Ọdụdụ nwa, last son?

Thread should be laid to rest now?

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Origin of carnival.

Some of these "French" central African musicians have advanced bleaching to the ultimate level.

So it's now that people are evacuating?

”I will return to Jos to continue with my business there, but my family members will never return to the North.”

I wonder what sort of money Ndi Hausa are using that makes it an irresistible land to do business in, at least for Igbo people. I'd like to find out one day.

’’I have come home permanently and will never go back to the North to do business and develop the place again. Things cannot continue that way. It is hell living there,’’

Oh, so they actually know that they are developing other peoples lands for them. Chai, I've never seen such a group in my life like Igbo people.

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Again:

ezeagu:
I can't see anything that's an explanation for why Jeans is not part of Nigerian culture, and the grand bou bou is.

I can't see anything that's an explanation for why Jeans is not part of Nigerian culture, and the grand bou bou is.

And could you quote this explanation then?