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PhysicsHD:
It was not mandatory, not necessary, not obligatory that he join the British Army. If he was assigned, as a medical officer, to the British expedition sent to pacify the Ashanti without his specifically requesting that assignment, he could have easily turned it down as nobody was forcing his hand.

I see a blatant lack of integrity in assisting those who burned down Kumasi, and then going on to become some African nationalist, but that's just my opinion. You're welcome to lionize him if you wish.

I think it's nonsense to discredit him for his works and contributions to African independence because he served as a medical officer in the British Army. It is just as much as it would be nonsense for someone to discredit all that Malcom X had done because of his past as a gangster. James Beale was one of the first to speak up against White superiority and the thinking that everything African was inferior. He was one of the men who set up the foundations of what would become the independence movements in Africa. I don't need to lionize him, the man is a legend.

PhysicsHD:
lol, Africanus Horton was a stooge for the British. He went with the British to pacify the Ashanti and then turned around and started yapping about African nationalism and independence. Clown.

I thought he was a medical officer in the British Army? What role did he have in pacifying the Ashanti except treating soldiers?

fstranger3:
^^^WHat year and whats his Ibo name

Stop claiming people ok?

Kaybam20, Panadol will solve your problem.

[size=18pt]I salute James "Africanus Horton" Beale, a prominent member of the Ibo Union of Sierra Leone in the 1800's, and an elite member of the Creole society.[/size]

[center]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Africanus_Horton.jpg/433px-Africanus_Horton.jpg[/center]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OuKo7gSi2soC&pg=PA185&dq=james+africanus+horton+igbo&hl=en&ei=--1ZTe63FITLhAf8jpjWDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=james%20africanus%20horton%20igbo&f=false

[size=18pt]"The first African to graduate as a Doctor of Medicine from Edinburgh University"

"Horton's parents, both Igbo"[/size]

Let them knack their head against the wall.

Kaybam20, huh? What a sad case.

May all the Ojukwu's, Okoro's, Kanu's, Okrafor's and all of the Igbo Creole families of Sierra Leone live long, your presence in Freetown and the rest of Sierra Leone shall be everlasting, no matter how much enemy's try to eliminate your names. May they continue in endless frustration.

I salute James Beale, significant contributor to the Ibo Freetown Union of the 1800's, prominent surgeon, and overall skilled and talented man:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Africanus_Horton.jpg/433px-Africanus_Horton.jpg

Frustration.

fstranger3:
At least, you are not trying to claim someone on this thread. I am happy PhysicsMSTP gave you a quick smack-down because before you know it, you'd start claiming Edo people as Ibo.


PS: Ever wonder why no oone wants to associate with you and your people?

The thing that is making you bang your head against the wall, let it continue to make you bang your head against the wall. Iseeee!!!!

fstranger3:
What else is new?

Igbos own SA?

The thing that is maddening you, let it continue to madden you in the name of the Igbo ancestors of the Krio people, Ise!!!

fstranger3:
The thread has been fun so far, well, except for your belligerent attitude. Cant we have some peace. Have you ever been to SL, she is from there, take it as is and move on.

Why must you bring your belligerent attitude to everywhere you go. NL is not about Igbos alone you know

Quit your childish attitude and go look for other people to claim, will ya?

So far this thread has been educational: we now know that there are no Igbo tribes in SL, contrary to what some Igbo revisionists might want to have us
believe.

If you cant enjoy this thread without fighting, please go do a somersault on the Third Mainland Bridge.

Anuofia you and your people! Too much claim claim.   .   .   haba

The thing that is maddening you, let it continue to madden you in the name of the Igbo ancestors of the Krio people, Ise!!!

fstranger3:
Did you get the answer you expected?


Anyway, how much progress have you made in your bid to claim Mukina and her people?

The thing that is worrying you, let it continue to worry you. Iseeee!!!!

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604492.msg7732181#msg7732181 date=1297730931]But the Slavs dislike each other? Ukraine beefing with Russia, Poland invaded by Russia and anti-Russian, etc, etc.

Likely I'm misunderstanding your analogy.[/quote]I'm talking about culture and diversity, not politics. The Igbo are not as disunited politically as the Slavs. I meant more of the Southern Slavic people anyway.

mukina2:
its obvious you didnt read all that i typed before now. sorry i cannot help you there

If you read and understood all i typed you'll notice that i said

-Okoro is not an igbo name (its not every 'igbo' sounding name you guys have to claim)
- That Oku /creole are more related to yorubas
- and the example for heroes/viallins was in response to the guy who assumed my uncle is igbo related because of the 'ojukwu' name
-That there is no igbo tribe in freetown

Just like you have pidgin  in Nigeria that everyone can speak,  we also have krio that everyone can speak.
Creole is the tribe and the language is krio, which is also the lingua franca of the republic of Sierra Leone.

Okoro/okro means okra in krio too
do you understand well now?

Here's my own

- Saying Okoro is not an Igbo name without providing the source of the name is confusing, especially with the massive amount of influence of the Igbo descendants in Sierra Leone, (Ibo Unions, Isuama language etc)
- Not all Creole people identify as Oku just because you do.
- There are Igbo descendants in Freetown and other parts of the country, just like you have Hausa and Yoruba descendants. No one claimed there's an "Igbo tribe" in Freetown, you just implied that.
- I doubt somebody will name themselves after a vegetable, unless there are people also called Egusi, Ukasi, jigbor, and Akpu.

mukina2:
Sweetie save the snide comments for yourself,do not have time for snide attacks or personal attacks, just keep everything within forum rules aight? go grab a glass of cold water, drink that and chill.

What personal attack? Did you not say Okoro is not an Igbo name? Or maybe it must be Temne. First you said Krio people randomly chose Igbo names because of fairytales about heroes and villains, then you tried to imply the Krio people are called Oku and then your final one is to say that people are calling themselves after food. Don't come to me with this again.

PhysicsMHD:
The Yoruba influence was also artistic, apparently.

Oh, in what areas?

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=604492.msg7731627#msg7731627 date=1297722467]I thought you were a pan-Igbo sort of guy?

If so, that equality is very bad from your perspective, is it not?[/quote]Not when each of the groups have a better relationship with each other and actually need each other.

fstranger3:
She rejected your Igbo claiming arse, now you want to attack her

You these Ibo people sha

Must you claim people

Why cant you take a cue from us Yorubas?  Just like how one of you claimed the other day that Obama is Ibo. Who else is Ibo? The president of Benin? Hilary Clinton?

Michelle Obama is Igbo as well as Obama.

Anyway, one persons opinion does not change that of the thousands of Krio people who are prod of their Igbo ancestors.

"As recently as during the 1970s, some members of the Sierra Leone creole community continued to identify themselves as Igbo."

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Gub-0RCs6UoJ:pcwww.liv.ac.uk/~dvdb/CH_3.pdf+Sierra+Leone+Igbo&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgZijkUXh5Ojplvsb6YpiiFWEQwYUwuYbox4feQxjfMnaFSoPOlh_q0lkcpnNJ8iJ4PAP5YOh-GuGIPopflmbHYEhdR24ay3177Ldu7k_ukxg-tjrBdTlBWLIMKNpK7OIO8EpAZ&sig=AHIEtbR1wjGhBMlLwsYZZg7aF5vyKLahbA

Come and write nonsense again.

Slavic identity = Igbo identity.

That is all.

mukina2:
handful where? I can name 10/20 creole/oku/foulahtong people with yoruba names but ask me to name 10 with igbo sounding names i'll struggle to make 5. I only gave that example because you assumed my uncle is igbo related.

All through out school ,  the only igbo sounding name i knew was one chukwuemeka(sp)

Coming from someone who said Okoro is not Igbo. If you can't make out 10 "Igbo sounding" names, I can do it for you.

[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=599690.msg7731251#msg7731251 date=1297718379]UK and rich, in the same sentence I know this ain't the jokes section but is this some kinda joke [/quote]The UK is poor?

Doesn't 'Oba' mean red in Edo. The Yoruba influence in Benin seems to be limited to religion.

FACE:
Ok, I give it to you. You have an idea of Umuahia dialect. All what you described is Umuahia dialect from north to south and not limited to Ohuhu. As per "henahu", I dey laff because you don't know what you are saying. Growing up, I had a friend that I always teased by calling him "Henahu of Umukabia" and you are telling me what ?

The express split Umuopara at Amachara (Umuopara) which borders the Ibeku clan of Ossah. The express also splits Ohuhu at Nkwoegwu and Umukabia with the western part towards Imo River. Ohuhu sits on top of Umuopara, geographycally the same direction as the express. If you say otherwise, tell me the Umuopara and Ohuhu communities on opposit sides of the express.

Ok, so you think that because you read that Umuopara split from Ohuhu, that you can now conclude that they speak the same thing and other Umuahia clans speak differently ? Shows how much you know.

Our dialects are nearly the same with very slight variations. Are you telling me that a person from Umunwanwa ( Umuopara) speaks more like someone from Nkwoegwu (Ohuhu) than someone from Ossah (Ibeku) ? I dey laff. For your infomation, Ibeku sits right in the middle of the other clans of Umuahia and shares borders with Ohuhu (N) Umuopara (W) Olokoro &co (S),Oboro & co(E)

Ka m jugharikwa gi ozo : I bu onye Umuahia ?

I don't need to tell you about geography because it's already on Google Maps.

Ohuhu and Umuokpara speak the same thing, and their cultures haven't changed from each other. The thing you wrote as Umuahia dialect was probably just Ibeku because it didn't sound like Ohuhu.

FACE:
We are more likely to say olia than ndaa, but would mainly say: "i du oke ole ?", "I du agini", "ahu du gu ike?" "I putala ?", "ndugu oke I du?" "I meru oke ole?"

'Du' and 'gu' does not exist in Ohuhu.

The 'henahu' is just a variation of Ohuhu, but the majority say 'Ihe ahu'.

ChinenyeN:
The Igbo language/dialect question goes beyond "accents", Ezeagu. I'd think you'd know that.

You will not be able to understand a real Yorkshire/Leeds/Manchester/Newcastle dialect despite the fact that you speak English fluently. Some other languages are 'worse'. All of these languages are identified and recognised as dialects (listen to some of these). England actually has no 'official' dialect. Many Igbo dialects have a particular accent which makes them even more different from the rest, look at Ika for that which has a sort of Edo pattern to it.

ezeagu:
Ebe ki joko? Kiwuzi ohun? Yi e rizini igi?

'Where are you going?', 'What is this (one)', 'You're not eating the yam?'

ChinenyeN:
. . . and we all speak the same 'Igbo language' how?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSHHbfY6MVc[/flash]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzAD2GLfaNU[/flash][/center]

FACE:
Central Igbo would say "I putawa, wetara m ihe ahu" Ohunu equivalent is : "I futawa, wetaru m henahu" Ibeku would say " I futawa, wetaru m Ihe o" (all "o"s and "u"s have dots under).

That is not Ohuhu. I've heard it, it would be "I futawa, wetara m ihe ahu" just like central Igbo. The thing you wrote seems more like Ngwa. One of the differences with Ohuhu and Central Igbo is the bu which Ohuhu uses wu, another is the fact that Ohuhu use their nose a lot and add a lot of 'shi', ('O shi gini'/'O si gini', 'Ishi'/'Isi', sukoshuo onu',), and they use 'j' (as in the French way of saying it) instead of 'z' in a lot of words (jim/zim), apart from that there's little different between the two. Most people have difficulty understanding anything from Owerre so it can't be the main base of Central Igbo. And I know about the different groups, Ohuhu and Umuokpara speak the same thing because Umuokpara split from the Ohuhu community, the Enugu-Port Harcourt motorway splits the two communities.

Can anyone guess this dialect.

Ebe ki joko? Kiwuzi ohun? Yi e rizini igi?

FACE:
Ofcourse I have told you before that I am from Ibeku, so don't act like you figured that out.

Bright Chimezie speaks urban Umuahia and not Ohuhu. There is not much difference between Ohuhu and Ibeku in terms of dialect, afterall, we are next door neighbours and I have friends and family from Ohuhu.

Are you from Umuahia ?

As an Umuahia person, it would be nice to say that central Igbo was derived from my area, but that is not the case. Central Igbo was derived from most parts of Imo, some parts of Abia and Enugu. For your information, I have a keen interest in languages and there is hardly any Igbo dialect that I won't be able to figure out. I also understand Yoruba and Hausa and would be able to talk myself out of a mess in French.

Central Igbo is based on Ohuhu.

[center][img]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=22s8AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA170&img=1&pgis=1&dq=%22of+1941+approximated+to+the+dialect+of+Ohuhu%22&sig=ACfU3U2xkd62QsLV1MPiy5LV5qqqN9yx3Q&edge=0[/img][/center]

Ndụñọde: Calabar journal of the humanities, Volume 3, Issue 1

http://books.google.com/books?id=fr_uW5b73UYC&pg=PA105&dq=central+igbo+ohuhu&hl=en&ei=av9XTdzQOoSohAeTwLyoDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=Ohuhu&f=false

I've heard Ohuhu, and this:

FACE:
We are more likely to say olia than ndaa, but would mainly say: "i du oke ole ?", "I du agini", "ahu du gu ike?" "I putala ?", "ndugu oke I du?" "I meru oke ole?"

is not it.

mukina2:
sorry i already rectified it.

udezue  posted it, my post for no igbo tribe in Freetown  was directed at his post.

No problem, aunty.

mukina2:
did it occur to you that parents name their kids after friend/heroes/villains/stars and so on?
smh

where you not the one that posted this :- 

Was I? You tell me.

mukina2:
I didnt say there are no creoles of igbo descendant, all i said is that there is nothing like igbo tribe in Freetown and i said  that creoles are more related to Yorubas.
na by force to have igbo tribe everywhere?

Was there a time I said there was an "Igbo tribe" in Freetown? Isn't you that went on to call the Krio "Oku"?

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=599800.msg7720894#msg7720894 date=1297551139]Eze,

In this response and the highlights is the answer to many questions sorrounding the age and status of what you term Igbo kingdom.

The kingdom, prior to British arrival and intervention, was oppressed and they paid homage and tax to superior crowns in the neighborhood. . . crowns such as Amakiri and Attah.[/quote]Hee hee hee hee, (added another paragraph to Nairaland's 'History Miss Road').

Attah of Igala? You mean Idah child of Nri, a kingdom established by the Nri-Igbo, was oppressing Nri? When?

Where do you people get this information?

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=599800.msg7720894#msg7720894 date=1297551139]Your people have claimed that millions of Igbos were enslaved and shipped across the ocean and that majority of the Afro-Americans and Carribe-Americans, as well as those in Brazil descend from and can trace their African roots to the Igbo blood.

Is this true or not?[/quote]Nope.

mukina2:
where did i say Ojukwu is not Igbo?
I said one of my uncles have Ojukwu as his middle name but we do not have any ties to igbos.

Oku is not Krio, its the language being spoken by the people of  Fourah Bay/foulah tong/Aberdeen.
Read this post https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-603183.0.html#msg7712800


This flew over your head right?
and erm do not drag me into your tribal wars. i am simply not interested
You people should stop  claiming everything with Similar Igbo names.
and there is nothing like igbo tribe in freetown

Speak for yourself, there's no one dragging you into anything, it's actually you writing ignorance. There are Sierra Leonean Creole of Igbo descent that will tell you so. Even that's an understatement because of the Igbo unions there in the 1800s. The Obi guy hinted that he would visit 'one day' after saying he is not of Nigerian descent ( ).

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=599800.msg7720917#msg7720917 date=1297551435]Dede,

What principles of check and balances did the Igbo democracy adopt? That's what I want you to explain.

If you ask what checks and balances exist for America you will be told the following - The declaration of Inependence, which then created Constitutional power, which enumerated the Executive, Legislative and Judicial powers.[/quote]Ndi ichie, counsel of elders. Umunna meetings governed by the oldest member of the family. The Igbo village/county structure is as follows: Nuclear family > Compound > Extended family > Village Quarters > Village > after that Ekpe, Okonko, Ibin Ukpabi courts and the rest come into cases depending on the community. In the case of Nri and its sphere of influence there were the Nze (people who go on peace missions) who were Ozo in training (priests who lead peace missions), after the Ozo is the Eze Nri (an elected Ozo)

The Ijaw/MEND are not going to war with the Igbo and there are Igbo people supporting MEND. MEND has already reached out to the Igbo people, but were ignored because of obvious reasons.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: ezeagu
Of course they won't, unless they are fools. One of them made a st00pid statement in another thread and I cited that as an example of how an armed ant can suddenly assume that he can "deal with" a self-avowed pacific lion. The lion can simply disavow his non-violence, and what you get is an armed ant and an armed lion.

That is why we are having this conversation.  

But there's no need for the conversation, especially when Igbo-Ijaw relations are mending, and when there are no Ijaw provokers here.