₦airaland Forum

semasir:
@Ezeagu: for nothing. They'll keep to the language or do you personally intend dropping your language for anything?

You're the one who said the language is going dead. So people must be speaking something else, or are you saying the Egun people aren't reproducing?

So I guess this story was nonsense?

No. In the old times most men weren't heavy into any religions anyway, the only thing that the everyday man did was to feed Alusi and to venerate ancestors (libation). The woman doesn't have to follow anything according to tradition, it just depends on the husbands decision on how he wants his children to be raised, just like anywhere in this world.

[size=18pt]Again, Enugu proves itself as the most civilised state in Igboland.[/size]

semasir:
@Ezeagu: never will the Eguns drop their language for Yoruba or viz-a-viz.

So what are they dropping their language for?

Are Egun people dumping the language for Yoruba?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=611775.msg7807329#msg7807329 date=1298753666]You must not be from Abia State to speak such nonsense.[/quote]Where were the kidnappers when Orji Kalu was in power? Was Osisikankwu and the other trees of the forest not respecting themselves? Abia was much better when Orji Kalu was in power, at least the military didn't need to be called in and a nation needs someone like Orji Kalu sometimes to kpa brain.

Orji Uzor Kalu was better for Abia State.

German75:
Thank you for every replay I got.

if anyone have more Information about , Igbo men's or Woman's It will be gladly appreciated.

Example
What is the Woman's / Men's role in a Marriage.

The woman's role in marriage is the same as in most cultures, to look after the children and to look after the house. She may have other roles like tending to certain farming tasks that are only for women like cultivating Coco yam, etc. The man is the head of the house and guards the family, he is the provider of food and shelter so many men in the villages are hunters and farmers. In some places the ancestry is traced through the mother.

German75:
What are her / his Rules to DO and NOT to DO.

Well the general rule is for the woman not to disrespect her husbands decisions and not to disrespect him as the head of the house. The man should not disrespect himself and should respect his wife because if he disrespects her then he disrespects her family and she can go back to them. You're not allowed to see other people who aren't your husband or your wife, but many people did anyway.

German75:
What about if a Woman is to Independent.

You mean having her own house, no children and all that? In the past some men may laugh at her and taunt her, and her family may be disappointed with her, but back then there were women who were priests and women who were queens and title holders so that should be remembered. The interesting thing about Igbo cultures is that in some parts women were part of the local army when there was a war. Igbo women are allowed to be independent in marriage, but not with neglecting their children or husband, so that means they can travel have many different jobs, but still be a full mother. Of course this was in the past and many women now have become more independent before marriage.

German75:
What is forbidden and what not for her.

There are some things that are only for men, like societies and meeting places. There are some places she can talk and she can not. For example she cannot talk without permission in a meeting of men. She can not chant men's greetings like the well known 'Kwezuonu', although women do it now anyway. She cannot play men's instruments like the Ikoro slit drum and so on. She can do many other things men can do apart from this and there was even cross dressing in some parts of Igbo land where women would dress as men, so this just shows you all this depends on the community. With all this said, many of these for women cannot be done by men, such as men attending female meetings and playing female instruments, etc. so you find some equality in that as well. Many aspects of men are mirrored in the society for women and this is what makes a lot of Igbo women confident among men and politics till today, just look at Nigeria's politics. (umu nwanyi agwu )

seedord247:
Goodluck with this Photoshop CS4 work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y_pdF8kQb4

Abagworo:
Igbos actually call other Igbos names and it is no way peculiar to Onitsha.We call other Igbos Igbo and we are still Igbo.Owerri people call other Igbos Isuama,Ngwa call other Igbos Ohuhu,Ikwerre call other Igbos Isoama.

What I meant was denial of Igbo and not what we call other Igbos.

That's what I said, there were Onicha people calling others Igbo, but not themselves. So they will say there are Igbo traders in this market and we Onicha traders who are not Igbo. There were people among the Aniocha that denied being Igbo as well, but what the person I was replying to said was that the "Delta Igbos violently" deny being Igbo, which includes the Aniocha.

I don't usually post here, and maybe they've already posted this, but. . . . .

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Is this Asa oke?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1360047/Beyonc-LOfficiel-Paris-After-blonde-hair-pale-skin-singer-darkens-down.html

[size=18pt]Nigerians are Nigerianising America like this?[/size] [size=18pt]First Ankara, now this? What do you think. It looks better than all that blonde thin, she should use it in her tours.[/size]

Okay, I re read what he wrote, and it's definitely not anywhere over the Niger. He identifies as a citizen of Benin.

This kingdom is divided into many provinces and districts: in one of the most remote and fertile of which I was born in the year 1745, situated in a charming fruitful vale, named Essaka.

And he says he was far from Benin or the coast, which makes the Ashaka case stronger. The only thing that does not match up if it is Ashaka is the absence of the Niger in The Narrative, even though it had not been fully explored by Westerners, he still would have mentioned it, unless his community ignored the mile wide river right next to them. It doesn't sound right.

The distance of this province from the capital of Benin and the sea coast must be very considerable : for I had never heard of white men or Europeans, nor of the sea ; and our subjection to the- king of Benin was little more than nominal.

Wait, but he says he was kidnapped by a very large river with many canoes and remembered being scared. I think Olaudah Equiano was form Ashaka.

PhysicsMHD:
Right, but the Benin reference is very unambiguous so unless you know of a place in Imo that was ever under Benin, he would almost certainly have been describing a Delta Igbo village.

Some say Olaudah was from Ashaka in Ukwuani (Delta State), but his focus on the story of the sacred python suggests that he came from the Anambra/North Imo area, I'm not sure if the python is that sacred in Ukwuani. Again Equianio could have been, like some are suggesting, a slave who was never born in Africa and overheard these stories from his fellow slaves in South Carolina. But the amount of things he wrote on Igbo culture and with the accuracy was too much. There's also an Essaka in Ebonyi, but that is way off.

Eko Ile:
Effiong basically highlighted Ojukwu as a clueless, shallow and mediocre leader. Something some of us sabi anyways,

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=611116.msg7791871#msg7791871 date=1298551217]I guess limited interest in this video.[/quote]

seanet02:
It is only in Igboland that somebody who ran off to have Lunch in Ivory coast on sighting OBJ can be considered an Hero, In Yorubaland, We call such Man " OKUNRIN TILE BA DA"
Get one of your Agbero Ibo brothers to translate that for You!!!
Hope am clear?

Aigbofa:
Do you then agree that Ojukwu was a self centered egomaniac, who would broach no dissent?

http://www.monster.co.uk/geo/siteselection/

Find one that pays.

People who evacuated Nigeria?

Abagworo:
All the people on your list are from Oshimili and Aniocha.The Igbo denial only exists partly in the Ukwuani and Ika area.

The person said "Delta people". The Igbo denial is found in Onicha, talkless of (the rest of) Aniocha. There were (I don't know if there still are) Onicha traders calling others Igbo to separate themselves from them. It's only recently that the Aniocha have 'come back under the fold' of Igbo, and the same is happening for Ika, and silently for the Ikwerre and other groups as Nigeria tightens up.

semasir:
http://www.ngex.com/nigeria/places/states/lagos.htm
Go and check at the link below to get it right that Badagry has the first storey buildings o Nigeria. Please be informed as well that I'm not judging civilization based on Religion or whatever but trying to get you informed that civilization came to Nigeria thru Badagry. How do you define civilization if not as being an "advanced and organised state of human social development"?( OXFORD ADVANCED LEARNERS DICTIONARY ). Thru Badagry, advanced ways of living entered Nigeria and that's all I'd say for now.

So what would you call this Hausa building? Are they not storey buildings or are you going to tell me they were built by the British. The Europeans themselves call Benin and the rest civilizations. The people of the east kept records in the Nsibidi script, a sign of civilization. The idea of civilization coming through Badagry is nonsense, you will not see it published in any reliable and respected books. What you are talking about is modernisation which is a completely different thing. And stop relying on unreliable websites written by nobody, there are many free journals and books out there, especially if you're in a university.

Beaf:
People keep calling the ex-millitants lazy people. It is very ironic, because every single state and LG in Nigeria does exactly what these folk are doing; your state, my state, all states queue in Abuja, begging bowls at the ready for money they never worked for.

I say, look in the mirror.

Have you done this before, because I don't know anyone that has.

Beaf:
Sorry guys, but everyone is busy inflating figures, asking for new states, new LG's etc. No ethnic group can be spared from Nigeria's shame.
Every group strives to make free money or seek relevance from inflated figures; thats the shame thats Nigeria, a land where money is given to states for doing absolutely nothing. I wish the oil would evaporate, only then will the country stop being a lazy, corrupt fvckup.

So what you're saying is that every ethnic group in Nigeria inflates its numbers equally?

TewMuch:
Sure, just like Igbo are claiming Delta people who swear violently that they are not Igbo. I knew you people will jump on this to prove something but you have missed the boat here. There are dialects and cultural influences. My link also proves Ezeche's denial that Yoruba's went as far as Ghana.

So did Jay-jay Okocha, Pat Utomi or Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala ever swear violently that they are not Igbo? How about Major Chukwuma Nzoegwu?

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=610460.msg7789089#msg7789089 date=1298507505]I have no problem understanding someone who speaks the Anioma dialect.[/quote]There's no 'Anioma dialect'. In fact, there's no such thing as 'Anioma' or an 'Anioma' identity. You can quote this post.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=189030.msg7789110#msg7789110 date=1298507965]Nsibidi was used widely amongst my Aro people. The elders of my village still understand it. I wonder if someone will teach me one day how to read the script. [/quote]Just ask your elders, or if it does not exist in Arochukwu anymore then you'll have to go somewhere like Calabar or other Efik/Ekoi towns. Another option is to go to Ohafia and to the other Igbo towns that make the Ukara cloth for ekpe festivals in which they still use Nsibidi symbols, I don't know if they will be willing to reveal their secret, or if they even have enough knowledge of symbols as they would probably only know characters that apply to the Ekpe society. Do you own an Ukara. Every real son of the soil from Abia North and Cross River owns an Ukara wrapper.

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[size=18pt]The second part of this page (the second characters labelled 1-9) is actually an Nsibidi record from a court case![/size]

Somebody is already trying to bring them back http://nsibiri..com

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semasir:
@Ezeagu: perhaps you don't know that education was brought to Nigeria thru Badagry even Christianity and the likes. And mind you, Badagry has the first storey building in Nigeria, check on your facts.

The area that came to be known as Nigeria had civilisation before the arrival of Christianity and Western education. There were children in different parts of what is now Nigeria being schooled in different things before 1900, including writing. The Europeans only brought their own standard education. Christianity is not a measure for a civilisation, and the people already had their own religions. There is no proof that Badagry had the first 'storey building' in Nigeria, in fact, the whole idea Badagry having the first storey building in Nigeria in the 1800s is complete nonsense. Hausa architects had been building sotrey buildings at least 500 years before a missionary ever built anything at Badagry. There are Igbo war towers still standing that have multiple platforms. Benin architecture shows evidence of storied buildings.  Badagry does not have the 'first storey building in Nigeria', by far.

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How is Badagry the 'Cradle of civilization' in Nigeria?

And Badagry did not have the first storey building.

Ibime:
^^Its all in the documents signed by the British and co-signatured by the Kalabari King in 1912. The original PH consists of what we call Diobu (Rebisi-Ikwerre) and Town (Okrika).

Do you have the documents online? I have documents of Fredrick Lugard's letters to Lewis Harcourt asking him to (re)name the city after after him, in this letter he refers to the port as 'Diobu' and 'Iguocha' where the railway terminal stops. Why would he call the whole town 'Iguocha' or 'Diobu' if Okrika was a major part?

Ibime:
Una still dey here after how many months?

Lemme ask these Ndigbo something. . .


Who keeps changing Port-Harcourt Wikipedia page


Every week that page seems to be changed by Ndigbo eager to dispossess Okrikans of Isaac Boro Park - Borokiri area of PH.


Una get time o!!!


As for those who talk about PH, we have to understand that the original PH consists of what is today the Diobu - Aggrey Road axis, 80% of which was bought from the King of Okrika.

Of course, as PH expanded Northward, we have that 80% of PH becomes Ikwerre territory.

Do you have anything to prove that those parts of Port Harcourt were ever part of Okrika?

Obiagu1:
. . . and who told you I can't read Ika written in standard Igbo orthography?

Osolobue ledim! Jemezi de kwode esusu nke I. Ye sakazi a nu onu Ika.

Obiagu1:
Kalabari is an Ijaw dialect the Ijons said, but Kalabari and Ijon are not similar.

The Kalabari identify as an Ijaw group, the people of Rivers have no problem with this and that's all that matters.

Obiagu1:
It's a lie! Write Afikpo in standard Igbo orthography and someone from Ogwashi will read it and get a firm idea what was written.

Even if you write Ehugbo, somebody from Umuahia nearby cannot understand it, so how can somebody from Ogwashi understand it? There are some parts they will understand but most of it will be confusing to them.

Obiagu1:
Right Ijon down with standard Ijaw orthography and a kalabari cannot decipher a thing what was written.

Did the Kalabari say they can't understand Ijaw? The Kalabari language is an Ijaw dialect, just like any Igbo dialect is that of the Igbo language even when it has been mixed with Ibibio and Edo. You can not understand a sentence in Ika for example if it is written, that does not mean it is not Igbo. Or maybe you are arguing against this as well?

Obiagu1:
And what happens to the over 40% Igbos among them?

The same thing that happens to the Edo descendants in the Igbo lands over the Niger.

Obiagu1:
People like you can't smell Igbo leadership, you'll give them PH and Aba too all in the name of being clueless and naive.

We're not talking about Port Harcourt or Aba which are Igbo lands, we're talking about historic Kalabari-Ijaw lands which they own. There's no Igbo group that claims the Kalabari are part of them or that any of the Kalabari lands are theirs.

Obiagu1:
They speak kalabari and a kalabari speaker cannot understand an Ijon speaker. Not at all.

Ask any Kalabari man who his (great) grandfather was, he'll call an Igbo man. In Africa, most cultures are patriarchal!

Ask Dokubo, ask Ibime, it's not a fairytale.

Somebody from Ogwashi can't understand somebody from Afikpo. The Kalabari language is under the Ijaw languages. The Kalabari tradition says they migrated from an original Ijaw area. The people who came to their area first were Ijaw and nobody in Rivers has a problem with it.

Obiagu1:
. . . and they are not Ijaw too.

They speak an Ijaw language, they have an Ijaw culture and they identify as Ijaw. They are a sub group of the Ijaw and non of their neighbouring Igbo communities have a problem with this.