₦airaland Forum

mukina2:


I just do not like the way they are claiming people right and left
Creoles do not bear the kanu surname.

Creole surnames are mostly English names/sherbro names. Creoles/oku are more related to Yoruba, the Oku language has many words/phrases similar to yoruba,that i have read/seen here on NL. Most creoles/oku bear yoruba names/

Surnames like :-
Johnson
Cole
Thomas
Roberts
Davies
Taylor
Williams
Wilson
baker
Walker and so on
child please
anyone can claim anything. I have never heard of or seen any igbo tribe in Freetown or anything similar, When Nigerian igbo marries that's different from having a tribe there.
The only tribe known for light skinned people in Freetown are the fulas/kono.

What is Oku? You mean Krio? And what does Baker mean in Yoruba? Trying to tell me Okoro and Ojukwu are not Igbo, what is this?

The Ijaw are not going to war against the Igbo so everyone should just shut up.

excanny:
^^,  Ofcourse, kanu and okoro are Igbo. What do they mean in those sierra leonian languages? That could help reveal their origin.

It would be the Creole people with Kanu that would be the Igbo descendants.

Someone with an Igbo name has only been president once then.

mukina2:
Yeparipaaaa ohhh 
una wont kill me for hia

Okoro and Kanu are NOT Igbo .
Kanu is from Temne/Susu/Mandinka tribe, they have nothing in common with igbos.

Pa Chris's last name is Cole.

One of my uncles has 'Ojukwu' as his middle name and yet still we have no ties to igbos.


Una too dey claim sef. 

No offence, but you're confused.

Kanu is a very common name in Sierra Leone as well. (Looks at EzeUche_)

Igbo descendants have been president twice in Sierra Leone. Irony.

Christopher Okoro Cole
Yahya Kanu

Abagworo:
By CHIMAOBI UCHENDU Friday, February 11 , 2011 Contrary to insinuations that Sierra Leone paraded Nigerian-born  players against Eagles on Wednesday at the Teslim Balogun  Staduim in an  international friendly match, Daily Sunsports  can authoritatively report  that the players in question have  no roots in Nigeria. In an interview with Obi Metzeger and Ayo King, they vehemently refused to be linked with Nigeria insisting that they are  from Sierra  Leone. Obi said in his native dialet the name Obi which translates  to king for  male and hinted that it is a common name in his  community. When this reporter reminded him that the translation of his  name also  means the same thing in the Igbo-speaking part of  Nigeria, he waved it  off, saying it must be a co-incidence.  “ I was born a Sierra Leonian and I  have no other country”,  he started. “My parents are still alive and they  have  not said otherwise. “No one has told me that we migrated from Nigeria and  I won’t accept  that even if I am told. “The name Obi is a common name in my tribe. I am from  an ethnic  group in the capital Freetown. “It means King and I suspect that my parents want me  to be a king that  was why they named me Obi. “It is interesting to hear that an ethnic group in Nigeria  bears the same  name and it means the same thing for them just  as my people and I will  like to visit the people somedays  in my life. “But the issue of me being a Nigerian is out of it.  I’m a free born of  Freetown, he remarked. Corroborating  Obis story, Ayo King, who was also listed for the match, told  Daily Sunsports that he is not a Yoruba man but that his people  in Sierra Leone bears the name.

Why would you visit 'random' people? Oh creoles (Sierra Leone, Liberia, Caribbean, US)! No longer need for any bitterness!

This thing you people are calling "SCI" is mostly the Ohuhu dialect of Umuahia, for this dialect listen to Bright Chimezie, it's actually a dialect that forms a large part of standard Igbo.

FACE:
I don't think so. My friends coming to our house in Owerri had to tune their ears to UHF when I conversed with my dad and my Umuahia is even diluted.

I think central Igbo is a fusion of mainly Imo and some parts of Abia and the southern part of Enugu. It must have been developed from the Igbo spoken in urban areas as they are a fussion of many dialects and belong to no one in particular.
We are more likely to say olia than ndaa, but would mainly say: "i du oke ole ?", "I du agini", "ahu du gu ike?" "I putala ?", "ndugu oke I du?" "I meru oke ole?"

No, Umuahia-Ohuhu is a big part of Standard Igbo, you must be an Ibeku person.

Abagworo:
The reason why people clash with Fulanis is as a result of cultural misunderstanding.The Fulani culture believes that God created land and grasses for feeding the cattle hence they have no need to stay permanently at a place.They continue moving from place to place in search of greener pastures for their cattle.To them only God owns land and man has no need to acquire one for himself.Most indigenous Nigerian tribes value land and crops which is a sharp contrast with the Fulani who only value cattle.

This is absolute rubbish, in fact it's an insult.

Since everybody's making statements: One of the let down's of Igbo people is shooting themselves in the foot. In a pool full of sharks they'd spill blood if it means getting their immediate needs, and not necessarily in a negative way. There's no strong sense of foresight in the community, and I can't say it's only seen in this one either, especially when talking about Africa. I blame thousands of years of individualism. Geography was too kind to the ancestors of the Igbo, they should have been placed somewhere where other nations could have taught them a serious lesson in nation building, and I don't mean friendly gatherings. If the majority of people are going for one thing it is an Igbo man's heaven to argue (but not necessarily act or believe in what they are arguing for) against the majority, they like being 'different and controversial' (there are too many examples to post from Nigerian recent history), this behaviour is partly because it is a right of every citizen to speak na ama, something unique to Igbo culture which has acted as a blessing and a curse. Other nations would just kill off those against the wider nations goals and then achieve them.

So you see, what some Igbo posters are doing here on the internet, and everyday life, is carrying on the tradition of shooting themselves in the foot, so I just ignore now.

ROSSIKE:
PhysicsMHD said:

The British set up universities and engineering institutes in India, South Africa, Egypt et al as early as the 1850s. They seconded professors and lecturers from the UK and elsewhere to form the initial teaching staff in all those places. They had also established in those countries a high number of primary and secondary schools prior, such that there was no shortage of qualified students. So don't make excuses for them. They deliberately witheld education from Nigerians as a matter of state policy dictated from London. They simply did not consider it in their interest to establish higher education in Nigeria. It was only after unremitting pressure from indigenes following WW2 that they grudgingly established the ''University College'', Ibadan.

And another paragraph goes into the 'Thing's I Wish Happened' history book of Nairaland.

PhysicsMHD:
@ Justcash, don't derail this thread with pointless whining. What's stopping you from going this very moment and developing Port Harcourt the way you presume the British would have? Did Amaechi institute a Justcash ban in Port Harcourt? By the way, the Western region excluding Lagos was richer than the East and had the same level of infrastructural development, or possibly greater (Ibadan, for example), so I don't see what all this babble about the East is about.

What infrastructure did Ibadan have?

ROSSIKE:
This is important because when people sit around asking why Nigeria is not as advanced as some of these countries, they should see that it's because the nations we compare ourselves with have been churning out highly educated technocrats, administrators, engineers, economists and scientists in their thousands, for at least a full century before us.

Those who start late will play catch-up.

So where were these educated people in former British colonies like Barbados, or to be more relevant, a former British colony like Botswana?

I can't help but notice that a lot of you are bullshitters.

ROSSIKE:
Dude, I've just schooled you in the REAL history of colonial Nigeria, not the whitewashed, airbrushed, claptrap you read by white mythorians and their buffoonous black yes-men  - your ilk.

Funny. You wouldn't know colonial Nigeria history if it said "Hello I'm, Frederick Lugard".

Anaegboka:
The ones making the noise in Onitsha are from the areas I mentioned though the statement was not meant as an insult to the good people from those places.

How do you know this, I'm just asking.

ROSSIKE:
ezeagu said:

I know it would appear irritating to a cretinous peabrain like you.

What I do is hold up a mirror to loud-mouthed ''critics''.

What you should be doing instead is reading some history books on Nigeria.

Anaegboka:
You said they can be wild, it validates my point or will you like to trust your life and that of your family in the hands of a wild group?

What I was pointing out was that you claimed Biafra "almajiris" are only from Abia, Enugu, and Ebonyi. I asked whether you have visited Eastern Nigeria or toured all the Igbo states to know that One, all MASSOB members are violent, two all MASSOB members are from Enugu, Abia, and Ebonyi. I replied to you this way because you seem like someone who is relevant enough to talk about the East with.

Some people acting out fantasies on Nairaland. Look how people are switching races.

ROSSIKE:
Angiefan said:

You really don't get it do you?

Tell me something, are you not a Nigerian?

Do you know what the other four fingers do when you point one?

The private participants in Malaysia's oil palm industry, do you think palm oil was their ''line of work'' or their ''forte'' before they began investing heavily in it?

You offer really schupid and irritating 'arguments'.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=601690.msg7700846#msg7700846 date=1297287018]Those ppl are jobless grad students with 10yrs (or more) certificate. Nothing better to do.[/quote]It's best you keep your mouth in things you know.

Anaegboka:
These people posturing as freedom fighters are frustrated people from Ebonyi, Enugu and parts of Abia states. Why is it that it is only in Onitsha that they are making noise. I'm not a fan of Mr Peter Obi but his magnanimity towards this Okada riders should be lauded as it is only in Anambra state that they are not under any form of check. If Biafra is to be led by the kind of people I see in massob the almajiris of Igboland, I prefer to live in exile outside Igboland.

The okada drivers can be wild, but when was the last time you visited Eastern Nigeria for to think that MASSOB members were "Almajiris" from Ebonyi, Enugu, and Abia states only??

ROSSIKE:
ezeagu said


Here's a word of advice: Put your dumb obstinacy to one side, zip your know-nothing trap, and LEARN from people like me who are here to SCHOOL YOU on Home Truths.

The noise of someone who is empty.

fstranger3:
And that was from your Ibo brother, MAX SIOLLUN


Did I burst your bubble?

I am so sorry.

Aguiyi-Ironsi, what a Sierra Leonean name. Pack of hyenas.

fstranger3:
.   .   .   and the rest are in Isreal, No?

I don't know, maybe you can ask the rest of Oduduwa's relatives in Saudi Arabia.

fstranger3:
A Sierra Leonean

Ironsi is from Republic of Sierra Leone, remember dumb-dumb

Always eager to claim other people!

Look at the person calling somebody dumb-dumb. Anyway, there are Igbo people from Sierra Leone.

T9ksy:
To call the great zik of africa (sic) slimy is an unforgivable offence to bonafide slimy people all over the word.

You would know now.

T9ksy:
The only excuse that readily spring to mind is that english is not my mother tongue and as such I was unable to locate the appropriate english word to qualify him.

Yeah, I wouldn't understand bleating too, so thanks for using a human language.

alex101:
Hah! na wa oooooooooo! This thread don reach 31 pages already! Just within 72 hrs!

The Yoruba people here don't want the thread to die.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=599800.msg7698457#msg7698457 date=1297266520]It is crazy I tell you!

Nigerians should be thankful to Zik. Even though he did some things at the detriment of his people, the man still worked on behalf of all Nigerians.[/quote]Exactly, the rest of Nigeria should be more greatful to him than Eastern Nigerians should. It is a horrible irony that some Nigerian (Hausa, Yoruba, etc) soldiers were probably marching through his town in the war shouting "one Nigeria".

So you have animals here calling Zik slimy after securing the independence for the whole of Nigeria. The length these cowards would go to is shocking.

ROSSIKE:
They built a ''university college'' in Ibadan. It was not a full fledged university until 1963 AFTER they were kicked out. So the British built NO university in Nigeria. In the 50 years of self rule, Nigerians have built over 100 universities. The difference is clear except to a deluded colonized yes-man like you.


No reason? Well of course there was ''no reason'', since majority of parents themselves were illiterate courtesy of British misrule. Perhaps you're suggesting the ONE ''university college'' was sufficient for the whole 60 million population of Nigeria at the time. How thoughtless can you be?



You reason like a high school dropout. That there were ''various stations'' along the train routes does not obviate the fact of its essentially exploitative function.



They built a few clinics for themselves I'm sure, In addition to a few token ones for the masses. But nothing worthy of being called a national health system. Is there any hospital built in your village by colonial rulers?

There is no such thing as a ''slave port''. Ports are not defined by the goods or merchandise passing through them at any one period. In pre-colonial Africa, ports were used for trade in a variety of products, which changed in nature over various epochs. International trade in Nigeria did not begin with colonialism.



These were administrative centers of govt. Not ''planned new cities''. The British did not lay any real infrastructure in ANY of those places. They did not build any vast housing estates, drainage systems, pipe-borne water or extensive road networks. Visit there today and 99% of the infrastructure was provided by POST COLONIAL NIGERIAN REGIMES.



Can you see when I say you're a kid with nothing upstairs? I'm talking the majority of Nigerians and you're mentioning Magaret Ekpo and Funmilayo Kuti, of the tiny elite?



A LOT has changed. At least a dummy like you even got to learn to read and write courtesy of Nigerian rule.


But you're praising the British for ''introducing electricity'' to Ikoyi? At least the majority of modern Nigerians have enjoyed electricity unlike less than 2% under your British do-nothing masters. Under the British, people without electricity couldn't even afford generators, and those who could, couldn't buy them because there was no wiring in their houses, courtesy of the do-nothing British regime which built no national grid in their 100 years rule.


They existed in your colonized brain, and in Ikoyi, not in the real Nigeria.


What ''foundation''?

Of what use is a ''foundation'' without the actual building?


THEIR GDP and THEIR HDI.

Do you see why I say you lack common sense?

That they made THEIR economy work for THEM does not mean they will make YOUR economy work for YOU.
In actual fact, THEIR whole raison detre for colonizing YOUR country was for the purpose of making THEIR country work for them at the expense of YOURS working for YOU. They cannot serve two masters.

That they would make things work in Nigeria is directly contradictory to their maintaining a prosperous economy in THEIR country, since they lack natural resources of their own, and depend on you to export yours raw to them, so they can generate jobs and wealth in THEIR country by processing them. Therefore they will NEVER make things work for you in YOUR country, or create conditions for your development or industrialisation even if they ruled you for a million years, because that would be tantamount to suicide for them.

That explains why they built no real infrastructure for you. It explains why they built no universities for you. It explains why they did virtually nothing for you except that which was merely tangential to their primary purpose of  extraction and evacuation of your resources.

Now take that basic bit of common sense and stop IMAGINING that merely because they are ''white people'' with a ''high GDP and HDI'', they will create similar conditions in YOUR country. Stop being NAIVE.

You don't know anything about Nigerian history so replying you again is a waste of time.

ROSSIKE:
Today that figure is down to 92.99 per 1000, from 165 per 1000 under British rule, and 100 per 1000 in 2002.

It's remarkable progress made in just 50 years for a huge population like Nigeria, showing far greater investment in public health and nutrition by post-independence regimes than occurred under colonial rule.

Yet some people want the British back, perhaps so it can revert to 165 per thousand! 

All because they are hypnotized by white skin colour.  Tragic.

Now you're comparing infant mortality rates between now and when African Americans weren't even in the cities to sit at the back of the bus. Had they even discovered DNA yet?

ROSSIKE:
Of course it was different ''from area to area''.  We are talking about NATIONAL LITERACY RATE.

Just like today when you condemn the Nigerian govt, you never excuse them on the basis that ''Oh, poverty levels are different from area to area'', why because, for you it is one rule for your white lords and another for your compatriots.

There's a reason why I said from area to area and it was explained later. If I'm supposed to judge the Nigerian governments progress from how much more it does than the colonial government before, there still will be no competition and what a sad low competition it is.

ROSSIKE:
At least they have a choice of going to uni in Nigeria OR overseas.

Under the British what choices were they? They built no university at all in the country in 90 years. If they did, name them. And how many people could send their kids to Europe or America for university? Today even Onitsha traders send their kids to Europe for uni if they want.

University of Ibadan, college of the University of London.

People could send their children overseas like they do now, of course there was no reason to back then for most people.

ROSSIKE:
They did a lot for the export of Nigerian resources. The Nigerian economy was designed by the British to be a raw materials source for western industries. The people were barred from adding value to raw materials. The western nations and Britain imposed very high tarriffs on value added products from the colonies. The train routes that led to the ports alone were a direct offshoot of that policy. Thus the railways were not designed for the internal market or to generate internal productivity, industrialization and commerce, but to service the colonial economic policy. It wasn't done for YOUR benefit, but for THEIRS. Even the skeletal road network they built was designed for one thing - the evacuation of Nigerian resources.

You need to understand the REASON for colonial rule in the first place before rushing to proclaim its ''benefits''.

So the stations in different cities on the railway were where the trains stopped only to steal peoples goods and then sell them in London?

ROSSIKE:
As a source states:

''It was the need to ensure that the exploitation of Nigeria's resources for the benefit of the empire was undertaken in a more efficient manner that led to colonial rule. Thus during the early decades of colonial rule, the colonial authorities in Nigeria were concerned with the provision of basic infrastructure and services in the country[b] to the extent that they were required to enhance the sourcing and shipment of raw materials to Britain''[/b]


But you ARE a defender of colonialist thieves. I've spent pages ''explaining myself'' yet your slavish adulation of the do-nothing Brits continues unabated.

You can't understand somebody else. When did you miss the part saying this was not about the intention of the British but all the positive things their colonial rule did for Nigeria?

ROSSIKE:
Which hospitals? Name them. What ''education''??

No there were no hospitals at all in Nigeria, British officials and missionaries came to spend decades in mosquito filled Nigeria without any medical stations anywhere. Are you actually serious? And you ask me "What education" again in perfect English.

ROSSIKE:
Ports!! Did we not have ''ports'' before the white man arrived??

Slave ports?

ROSSIKE:
New cities? I don't see any Cape Town, Johannesburg, or Pretoria built by the British using Nigerian resources.

What ''new cities,'' and ''planned cities'' are you referring to? Calabar? Kaduna?

[size=18pt]LAGOS COLONY[/size] Enugu, [size=18pt]PORT HARCOURT[/size], Jos, Calabar, Owerre, Onitsha, etc all either new or planned by the British, even Ibadan was risen again under the British.

ROSSIKE:
You simply cannot come here and play dumb and not expect to be shown the door.  Coming here to call provincial administrative backwaters with one or two major roads then, ''NEW CITIES'' built by the British is an INSULT to Nigerians.

Well, you don't know anything about your history. Next you'll say the British stole slaves from Nigerians.

ROSSIKE:
You must be a 15 year old kid with 50 year old grandparents to type this drivel. Or you're some pampered adult that's never really mixed with real Nigerians. Do you even visit the rural areas where the majority of Nigerian grandparents and great grandparents live? I highly doubt it or you wouldn't embarass yourself here.

The overwhelming majority of Nigerians who were of school age before independence are ILLITERATES.

No, I'm actually talking about women like these:

http://images.biafranigeriaworld.com/BNW-Chinua-Achebe-Foundation-Margaret-Ekpo-2.jpg
http://napsnigeria.org/files/Olufumilayo_kuti.gif

And the rest.

ROSSIKE:
Ridiculous. Schools were built in Nigeria even under Abacha. The question is QUANTITY? How many did they leave you before 1960? What was your national literacy rate when they left?

Don't come here playing dumb with ''Oh you know they built schools as early as 1890''. We want figures. Statistics.

Any idea why they did not build a single university in Nigeria for nearly 60 years between 1900 and 1960??

THAT ALONE is enough to convince any person with his head screwed on right, of the diabolical, useless nature of British colonial rule.

Now you're being really silly.

ROSSIKE:
This was a government that was exporting billions of dollars in today's money worth of resources from Nigeria annually.

Some things never change?

ROSSIKE:
You must really think people here are stuppid.

Some.

ROSSIKE:
If a Nigerian regime did that you would abuse them no end.

If a "Nigerian regime" discovered electricity on their own I would not abuse them, in fact if the current "Nigerian regime" discovers electricity one day I will not abuse them for it.

ROSSIKE:
You wouldn't know the truth if it walked up to you and whacked you in the face.

Like hospitals and universities, literacy, in fact, electricity did not exist before 1960 in Nigeria. My face ooooh!

ROSSIKE:
Based on what evidence?

Based on the evidence that hundreds of people weren't killing each other over Chelsea v Arsenal (true story).

ROSSIKE:
If they did nothing substantial in their first 100 years,

Except designing the whole foundation of the country you are defending. . . .

ROSSIKE:
what makes you think the following 50 would have been any much better?

Their design of the whole foundation of the country you are defending and the fact that they are the only ones that can handle it to be stable (or unstable), which was part of their design.

ROSSIKE:
[size=20pt]The colour of their skin does not constitute sufficient evidence of your claim.[/size]

Yes but their GDP and HDI does.

What is "Ibo"?

PhysicsMHD:
The claim is unfounded. That was my very point. How can you still keep the claim? Are the Ashanti not West Africans?

With regard to Nigeria, read "Disaffection and Revolts in Nigeria during the First World War, 1914-1918" by Akinjide Osuntokun or Nigeria: background to nationalism

by James S. Coleman or Colonialism and Violence in Nigeria by Toyin Falola

I still keep the claim. I never said no other West Africans resisted.

Maybe I would change the statement and not say 'worthy challenge', but biggest challenge.

PhysicsMHD:
Where does this myth originate from? Are the Ashanti not in West Africa all of a sudden? Read about the Anglo-Ashanti wars.


Also, what was the Egba revolt (1914)? What were the Warri tax riots (1927)?

Please don't distort history.

I still keep the claim.