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HRH Obi Emmanuel Okonkwo Offor

The Obi of Adonte

Why are Anioma people answering Offor? Does it mean that they have, and still have the offor rituals? Even in Agbor?

By the way, the answer is yes.

HRH Obi Henry Afamefune Kikachukwu

The Obi of Ubulu Unor

I think I remember these were Erediuwa the Greats middle names, am I correct?

[size=18pt]HRH Obi Ezeagwu Ezeawali 1 (JSP)[/size]

[size=18pt]The Obi of Umunede[/size]

Chilekay!

agbotaen:
IKA HAVE BOTH IGBO AND BINI NAMES ,SO GET IT, EXAMPLES ARE NDUKA IRABOR ,AND NDUKA OBAIGBENA ,THIS ARE BOTH FAMOUS IKA MEN FROM OWA KINGDOM AND THEY HAVE BOTH IGBO AND BINI NAMES,BUT THE BINI NAME IS THEIR FAMILY NAME .
MGBEJUME -MEANS ONE TREE CANNOT FORM A FOREST OR ONE MAN CANNOT FORM A QUORUM, IT IS AN IKA IDIOMATIC EXPRESSION .[s]MY FAMILY NAME IS OMIGIE,MY GRAND FATHER IS MGBEJUME-OMIGIE, HIS OWN FATHER WAS IGBUDU,-OMIGIE, HIS FATHER WAS OVWIAGBON-OMIGIE,WHOSE FATHER WAS OSAHON ,WHOSE FATHER WAS IMADE ,WE CAN GO ON AND ON ,WE TRACE OUR FAMILY HISTORY TO THE EARLY THIRTTENTH CENTURY ,AS DESCENDANTS OF OBI IGBEGIDI NO GIDIGAN -THE SECOND KING OF OWA KINGDOM,WHO FOUNDED IDUMU-EZOMOR VILLAGE.[/s]

Why does almost every prominent ruler in Anioma have a strong IGBO (last) name?

http://www.ofaac.org/life/personalities.php

agbotaen,

Why is Igwe Obi Efeziomor betraying his Edo ancestors with his dressing?

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agbotaen:
IKA HAVE BOTH IGBO AND BINI NAMES ,SO GET IT, EXAMPLES ARE NDUKA IRABOR ,AND NDUKA OBAIGBENA ,THIS ARE BOTH FAMOUS IKA MEN FROM OWA KINGDOM AND THEY HAVE BOTH IGBO AND BINI NAMES,BUT THE BINI NAME IS THEIR FAMILY NAME .
MGBEJUME -MEANS ONE TREE CANNOT FORM A FOREST OR ONE MAN CANNOT FORM A QUORUM, IT IS AN IKA IDIOMATIC EXPRESSION .[s]MY FAMILY NAME IS OMIGIE,MY GRAND FATHER IS MGBEJUME-OMIGIE, HIS OWN FATHER WAS IGBUDU,-OMIGIE, HIS FATHER WAS OVWIAGBON-OMIGIE,WHOSE FATHER WAS OSAHON ,WHOSE FATHER WAS IMADE ,WE CAN GO ON AND ON ,WE TRACE OUR FAMILY HISTORY TO THE EARLY THIRTTENTH CENTURY ,AS DESCENDANTS OF OBI IGBEGIDI NO GIDIGAN -THE SECOND KING OF OWA KINGDOM,WHO FOUNDED IDUMU-EZOMOR VILLAGE.[/s]

What does Benjamin Ikechuku mean in Edo?

What is all this talk about Gabon?!

First of all let me address the whole presidency issue. Like I have been saying before, an Igbo president will probably change nothing for your people and would not ensure that your village/town has 24 hour electricity, unless the president is from that lucky town.

With regards to developing places, why are Igbo people here talking about developing Gabon and Lagos when they have Port Harcourt, Enugu (which is empty), Owerre (which is half full), Onitsha (which is a slum), Asaba and a whole lot of other places that are underdeveloped in their land?

I can tell that a lot of you have not been to Igbo land in a long time because you seem to think that some how Igbo land is over populated. There are so many empty areas in Igbo land that are just sitting there for development. There are new towns being built in Igbo land like Anam City in the Anam local governments. How can there be thousands of people in a town-state like Monaco which isn't larger than a section of some Igbo towns, yet Igbo land is supposed to be over populated and cannot fit any of the Igbo currently outside it. There is room for the Igbo population outside Igboland and double.

On the Gabon business. Please do not think that ethnic politics only exists in Nigeria. Both Equatorial Guinea and to an extent Gabon are dominated by a strong group called the Fang who have nearly wiped out all the Bubi on Bioko island. The Fang will not stand on one side and watch 'helpful Igbo' take over their businesses. It might not seem like there are ethnic groups active in these countries, but just know that certain ethnic groups hold power in many African countries just like in Nigeria and would not just give it up to a group who come as 'saviours'.

agbotaen:
ika people do not have untouchables like the osu cast system in some igbo communities , ika people are largely royal , ika is not a homogeneous community , but a heterogeneous one with migrations from bini, ishan, igbo, ndokwa,ora ,aboh and other places, but because they have lived together for hundreds of years they largely decided to form one unit. but their histories still remain intact .
but mainly ika people have been largely influenced by bini and igbo culture and language . ikas know that lots of migration and intermarriages have occurred amongst them and they cannot be bini nor igbo , so they , that is our ancestors created a seperate ideology as ikas for themselves,this they have defended , ika people are divided into western ikas and eastern ika communities , the western ikas are agbor, igbanke, owa, abavo,ute okpu, idumuesah,emuhu,while the eastern ones are umunede, otolokpo, mbiri, akumazi,and igbodo .this kingdoms are close to aniocha areas and igbodo is the last ika community , many of these eastern communities are influenced by aniocha people , so their culture is slightly different from the western ika people.
ikas only feel at home with ikas ,so that is why majority of ikas do not belong to any igbo ethnic organisation .it is not as if they dont love igbos , infact they are mindful of their relationship with igbos as they are our brothers , so also the binis are our brothers too.so we keep relating to these two groups are relatives without joining any one of them.
if you open an web page on bini kingdom , you will see that the binis list ika people as edo descendants who migrated from bini in defferent waves and were later mixed with igbo people.
while if you open most igbo web page , the ikas will be listed as igbos.
it is not strange for people in delta state , bvecause the itsekiris have two traditions ,one from yoruba and the other from bini , and the itsekiris are neither yorubas nor binis .
who do we say we are ?
we say we are ika ethnic group or ika people.we have our leaders and our socio-cultural group called onu and ogua ika , just like igbos have ohaneze and hausas have arewa too.
what qualifies a person to be an ika person or ebon ika or nwaebon like we say .
1. their town must be stratified into ebon ( umun),idumu and ogbe.
2. must be able to trace your ancestory to one of these units.
3. in ancient times ikas were people who worshipped idigun/ogun- god of iron.
4. believed that osenobue or oselobue was GOD almighty.
5. believed in ehi as guardian spirit of man.
6. believed in the heavens as orhimi
7. ikas are people who performed the igue festival to mark end of the year.
8.had a believe in hereditory kingship and edaikenship.
9. had three kinds of chiefs called ohaime , which are 1.palace, 2. hereditory ,3, town chiefs.
10. speak the ika language .
11. have respects for elders and seniors.
12. they also performed new yam festival called iwaigi or ogbaligbe.
13. believed that olokun in ancient times was the son of oselobue .
14.maintained the marriage system of nwuyen, idegbe and mgba.
15. finally ika ethnic brotherhood is greatly anchored on the believe that all the ikas migrated at about the same time from benin ( what we mean are most of the founders of ika towns and villages,but available evidence also shows greatly the imput of igbo early migrants too , who founded some ika villages.

finally i want to use this medium to thank DR. cairo ojougboh from agbor , who stepped down today for chief author okowa , at the just concluded delta north senatorial primaries for PDP in asaba. chief okowa won with a total of 1`,446 votes to that of mariam nnaemeka alli from asaba who scored 108 votes . chief okowa is from owa kingdom ,it shows that the appeal of onu ika leader for all ika aspirants to rally round DR. OKOWA worked.we urge him to keep promoting owa and ika culture and to try and bring development to delta north area.

What does Mgbejume mean in Edo?

With Boko Haram and all the terrorism in the country, they did take Nigeria off that terror list pretty quickly.

FACE:
We also have that in Umuahia. They walk on sticks about a storey building high and some of them just hop about on one stick at alarming speed. We call them Nwa Nkelenke (otu ukwu or ukwu abou depending on number of sticks) I doubt that they are original to us though.

Which community in Umuahia?

ifyalways:
lol
Nostalgia.Can u get pictures of "ulaga" ,"aji-busu" (this one flogged me wellu wellu) and "Izaga".

Where are these masks from?

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Ijele, biggest (and rarest) mask in Africa.

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[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7616883#msg7616883 date=1296165432]he isnt buying the bride if he puts a ring on[b] her [/b] finger.

they're still married without the ring.[/quote]Some brides (and grooms) would disagree.

Obiagu1:
The bottom line is that with S. Nigeria, they'll have a larger and secured territory to explore and try to resettle unlike the little Alaigbo. That's the difference.

How are the Southern Nigerian people going to unite all these group in the south to ensure that they won't have conflict? The Igbo are living in every part of this world and do not need to be connected to anybody's land in order to trade. The 'little' Alaigbo is where the majority of Igbo live and there is still space for double the amount.

Without some benefits, certain parts of southern Nigeria would stay on their own in a split. Certain parts of southern Nigeria will stay on their own in a split.

Obiagu1:
If Lagos is like the North were innocent women and children are slaughtered with impunity, then to hell with Lagos too, but that's not the case.

So why would Lagos become dangerous if there's an Alaigbo?

Obiagu1:
Nigerians tend to follow trend, if the momentum is built up for a S. Nigeria, you'll be the one campaigning harder than me for it to be actualized without further delay.

The momentum will be built from the conflict between north and south after that the southerners will face each other.

ShangoThor:
@ ezeagu, Southern Nigeria will end up being the most populous, most prosperous Black African country in the world.
Abuja is no comparison to the "New City's" and Trade zones that will start sprouting up in Southern Nigeria. The economy
will be focused on production, building a surplus and profits. Other Black nationals will flock to the new State, and because
security will be of paramount importance, it will be a lot easier to encourage tourism. There will be no starving mouths in
the new State, but this is the big one, we can invent a new currency for the New state which will be more valuable than the
Naira and could alleviate poverty.

This is the dream, we're talking about reality.

With 'Southern Nigeria', Ghana and Cameroon will continue to send back Nigerians and introduce new laws to discourage them from entering their country. With smaller countries, Ghana and Cameroon will continue to send back Nigerians and introduce new laws to discourage them from entering their country.

Obiagu1:
If Abuja is what we'll sacrifice for the never ending murder by those murderers up north, then so be it.

So why are the people in Lagos more important than the people up North? And have you considered whether everyone in southern Nigeria would want to be in a Southern Nigeria?

ShangoThor:
@ Obiagu1, some people are incapable of successfully factoring contingencies into their reasoning.

I know this, with Southern Nigeria you can still forget about Abuja along with southern businesses in the north.

KnowAll:
The Yorubas in diaspora supplements d economy of d SW otherwise d SW economy would have gone d way of d SE economy where Kidnapping is rife. In my neigbourhood in Felele, Ibadan everyone I grew up with are either in d UK or America. We are not talking 10 or 30 families we are talking a lot of families.

The rise of kidnapping in the East is not of economics.

Obiagu1:
You didn't understand me. Ghana and Cameroon could make us, Igbos, return back to Alaigbo like Ghana did to Nigeria or Nigeria did to Ghana (Ghana-Must-Go) or make trading and business hard for us like Ghana is currently doing to some extent to Nigerians with silly tariffs and levies etc.

Have we tried to picture a scenerio where every Igbo returns to Alaigbo from Lagos? If that scenerio seems pleasant to you, then we don't have much to argue.

I wish I had time tonight.

I still don't understand how this would be different even if in Nigeria. And I don't understand why Ghana and Cameroon would be harsh to countries that break apart mutually. When talking about Igbo people returning from Lagos, did you calculate the Igbo returning from Abuja and other Northern states with the creation of Southern Nigeria? Why (and how) would the Igbo have to return to the east from all over Africa if there is a mutual secession? If the other parts of Nigeria that have been broken down are hostile, are they the only countries left to do business in Africa and beyond?

SEFAGO:
Come on, you cannot say "eka aro" in the middle of london and not get at least 50 people giving you a reply.

It's more of 'Wa gwaan' than 'eka aro'. Nigerians are outnumbered very well by the South Asians and West Indians in London and Yoruba people along with some other Nigerians usually live almost completely in a limited amount of places that are usually in the south.

dayokanu:
Ezeagu that report says 13,000 ppl SPOKE Yoruba in UK do you believe that?

I think those are the people they recorded that speak another language, this recording isn't done one a large scale by the government like they do in the US.

London

Around 30% of Black Africans speak English at home, 20% Somali, 9% Yoruba, 6% Akan, 5% French, 2% Lingala, 2% Igbo and 2% Arabic. There are 179 other languages spoken by fewer than 2% each of the London’s Black African pupils.

The main African languages spoken in London originate in different parts of the continent. Yoruba, Igbo and Akan are spoken mainly in West Africa, including Nigeria and Ghana.

. . .

Note that Lingala, French and Somali speakers tend to have very low attainment, well below that of the lowest attaining ethnic group overall (Black Caribbean). The attainment of Black African Igbo speakers is similar to that of White British students. These data suggest that some of the commonly used ethnic groupings may be too broad to be useful, and that language data can provide greater insight into which pupils may be in need of particular support.

. . .

Igbo and Yoruba do the best in the UK out of the Black Africans with the Igbo getting the closest to White British students.

There are a recorded 13,961 people that speak Yoruba in London in 2008.

Well done Nigerians.

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:pN59AQbNkcIJ:www.uptap.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/uptap-findings-von-ahn-july-10.pdf

Obiagu1:
The scenerio is this: If we have only Alaigbo, then that is the only territory we can trade freely without fear of waking up one day and see/hear strange policies that will either force us to leave or make our lives miserable/harder.

No offence, but that has to be a joke okwa ya?

Obiagu1:
Ghana, Cameroon, etc can change policies and you'll see us returning back home from those countries.

Why would Ghana discourage Alaigbo, wait, why would Ghana discourage Nigeria splitting (mutually)? And Cameroon?

Obiagu1:
With S. Nigeria, we have a bigger territory to operate without fear of tomorrow or strange policies targeted at us, bigger population and bigger and secured market to trade.

And don't forget fierce competition and distrust that's going nowhere. I understand this Southern Nigerian thing is more to do with land than anything else, but I'd rather have a smaller car that's working (with original parts).

Obiagu1:
Nigeria doesn't work because Northerners are murderers and no one will like to stay forever with murderers.

S. Nigeria gives us more room and more diversity, moreover, majority are christians.

That would be the answer if the conflict was only between Northerners and Southerners, but like I've told someone before Nigeria is not split only between North and South. And you can keep the Christian stuff because that will be thrown out when ethnicity comes to play.

PhysicsMHD:
Ok, then.


But do elaborate on Lugard's objection to the Okrika claims (what claims were these, anyways?).

I'd give you a link, but it's not working now.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=591844.msg7610910#msg7610910 date=1296097994]It would have ridden you to Biafra in a golden chariot.

Dude, is it so hard to ignore me? Anytime you quote me, I fight the urge to send my oldest son to come and slap the grease off your face. Senseless![/quote]Don't want to ignore,                                      so I won't.

Anyway, children already? Wow.

Yoruba people don't have as much notable celebrities in the United States as the Igbo do. They have the majority of the A-listers of Nigerian descent in the UK though. Again, even if celebrities are not a good measure, you won't find strong Yoruba communities in the US like they have in the UK. The Igbo and Yoruba are probably equal in Canada.

SEFAGO:
The other group which are in the UK, do no one harm, are quite friendly and are in peaceful coexistence with their host countries

If wishes were horses, I think?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=591844.msg7610893#msg7610893 date=1296097620]

And they say "Nigerians" are messing their country up abroad.  [/quote]Very soon someone will bring up that massive case in New York that had one group overwhelmingly as the culprits. Being a majority does not mean you are responsible for everything.

Obiagu1:
The bolded is a valid point and I hate to say this, the East is too small for the very migrant Igbos.

No one is actually explaining that point along with how a 'Southern Nigeria' will solve the problem. How will an Igbo state (with other countries formed out of Nigeria) mean that the Igbo can no longer migrate. After you all have explained this explain to me how Southern Nigeria will make this impossible.

PhysicsMHD:
I don't need a specific figure do I?

I'm not the one that's going to be taking this to court, after all.

I should have been clearer. I don't mean the present, full Port Harcourt.

The original Port Harcourt, not the expanded, growing Port Harcourt, was situated largely in Okrika land and in Ikwerre land, and the Okrika supplied a disproportionately (relative to their size) large part of the land that was sold.

What court? Lugard, the one who made and named Port Harcourt already described their claims as 'Satanic', so there really isn't anything to base claims on, historically or otherwise. Besides Lugard himself called it Iguocha before looking for an "appropriate name". Okrika is not debated by anyone and is clearly still defined from the rest of Port Harcourt. I want to know which parts of Port Harcourt, you know the large percentage, that specifically belong to the Ijaw. Is it the Diobu's or the Trand-Amadi or what?

This crop that lines the highway of the east? Chai.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=591844.msg7610847#msg7610847 date=1296096481]@Uche Never said she aint. I just say she seems like she dont wanna represent.[/quote]Many Igbo people think she is, but she isn't, but her mother chose to represent anyway I guess. There's enough of the Igbo diaspora representing to worry about one person anyway.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=591844.msg7610832#msg7610832 date=1296096104]Read her biography, never even hinted that she was Nigerian, talkless of Igbo lol. But she still Igbo [/quote]Maka why? Because Nnenna Freelon is not Igbo, her mother just gave her an Igbo name. Her name (before marriage) is Chinyere Nnenna Pierce.

Sticking to places where Nigerians usually travel to, the Yoruba outnumber everyone by a large margin in the UK. The Igbo outnumber everyone in: China, Malaysia, Japan, South Africa, Finland, Spain, Bight of Biafra countries, South Korea, India, Singapore and possibly Berber countries.
The Hausa outnumber everyone (apart from native lands) in Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia and Arab countries.
The Fulani outnumber everyone in Cameroon.

fstranger1:
For each of those names, i can come up with an equally, if not more, famous Yoruba name.

Why didn't you just?