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ROSSIKE:
No. YOU are putting the cart before the horse. The Chinese did not wait until the were ''developed to a level'' before making mainland Chinese the lingua franca of their 2 billion plus people. At the time they did this, they were among the poorest regions on earth!

Today, the unity wrought by that decision has led them to the lofty heights they occuppy today, to the point that YOU are now advocating we all learn Mandarin!

But if the Chinese had had YOUR mentality, the inferior mentality of ''we can't do this until we are that'' they'd be like you, queuing up to decide which FOREIGN tongues to conduct their activities in.

If you shed your inferior mentality, you would realise that a time will come when AFRICA, like China today, would be the 'new rising economic power'. So NOW is the time to develop the continental lingua franca which OTHERS will be queuing up to learn in order to partake of that future economy.

You see, no matter how big the Chinese are, it doesn't change the fact that the (Han) Chinese are a single nation with a common descent/history/culture, whereas Africa is a continent with hundreds of cultures. The unification of the common Chinese language was actually not the unification of complete separate languages but of dialects which some have still survived today. One culture in Nigeria could have the population of South Korea, yet how many do you think speak Mandarin as lingua Franca. Africa has to deal with its identity issues first and sort out how they want to live with each other with all these culture.

amazonia:
@ezeagu.

I am not  going to stoop to your level of belligerency.
It seems some Ibo don't know their history, other
than colonial and post colonial era. For your information
we Edos simultaneously learn our traditional history, and other necessary
orientations for life, while we go to schools. What we learn in schools about
history is to pass exams. The truth we usually learn from home and internalize.
The present monarch of Owa is the great-grand-son of Oba Overamen.

Which belligerency? Now you're just pulling stuff out from nowhere look:

[center][img]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WXouAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA309&img=1&pgis=1&dq=Nri&sig=ACfU3U11bew-LbfxerBPJzFuxCbGMDL-TA&edge=0[/img][/center]

Written by Efeizomor II (Obi of Owa)

http://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=kVHpTKSvF4KHhQfl9JAQ&ct=result&id=WXouAQAAIAAJ

In ignorant peoples eyes, this makes the Owa kingdom 'more Igbo' than Aba or Arochukwu.

Leave Umu Eze Chima and Nwa Nri alone, they aren't Edo!

PhysicsQED:
I know from when the bronzes date, but the date given for the actual Nri Kingdom is always written as 900 AD- 1911 AD on Igbo sites, history sites, and basically everywhere. However using the reasonable logic that random artisans were not making bronzes for nothing, then we could accept the 700 AD date except that it is always claimed otherwise by Igbo historians, who give it a later date. By the same reason, simple logic dictates that the Benin defensive earth fortifications (iya) were not being built for show. They were being built from 700 - 1450 A.D. (see "Benin Earthworks: Perceptions Over Time" by P. Darling. or any of various articles by that same author which state that they were being built before the 8th century ) but I never gave the pre-700 date, rather I gave the 800 AD date, the earliest date I had read written by credible Benin historians for the Ogisos (I had actually read somewhere that tried to ascribe a B.C. date to the Ogiso dynasty, which I found laughable and ignored) . So using the logic you employ to ascribe a 700 AD date to Nri despite all historians saying 900 AD, I could easily do the same for Benin since somebody was ordering those large earthworks to be done. So it is one thing to say there was activity in a place and another to say the first monarch of a kingdom founded the kingdom at such a date.  Regardless, the 400 years thing you originally wrote is still laughable.

Here's what I replied too.

amazonia:
@Agbotean,

Good job. Thanks you for your contributions to this debate.
You have describe reality as it is on the ground. Those who
have ears let them hear. Owa has always been Edo. I know
you all have evolved your Ika culture, i respect that. Going
through your historical accounts, triggered subconscious
memories of songs i learnt as youth about our legendary
Owa, Umuonode etc. Ikas are steep in edo spiritual heritage.

There's nothing laughable about my response when this person above is claiming that the expanding Benin Empire, that came over 400 years after Nri, founded Owa. There was no Benin Empire in 800 AD, Nri was a single kingdom for over 1100 years.

PhysicsQED:
Lol @ that

Nri Kingdom- about 900 AD onwards

(Ogiso - ruled) Benin Kingdom- about 800 AD onwards (the time earthen wall fortifications started)

Then around 1200 AD Benin started that Edo empire stuff.

Ogiso is 900 AD actually and Nri's foundation was as early as 700-800 AD. Archaeology shows bronzes before 800 AD. Respect your elders!

amazonia:
Those numbers are irrelevant to me.
What is important is, they are my blood lineage.
They are my brothers and sisters. WE are cousins.
And a very integral part of edo consciousness.

And you're delusional to be claiming Igbo people as your blood lineage when the most credible blood lineage heads back east instead of to a random Edo trader.

PhysicsQED:
(and yes I'm familiar with that Igala from Igbo and then Igala continued migrating westwards stuff found in Igbo (but not in other) history).

It's also found in Igala history.

PhysicsQED:
The whole Edoid groups together outnumber the Igala and speak a language strikingly different from theirs for supposed migration such a small distance away from them so you would have to do better than that. Also, I was actually referring to the Northern part of what is now Ondo State, where the Ukaan and Akpe languages are spoken, and not to what is now Kogi state when I referenced the area north of Akoko-Edo.

No, now, you did a u-turn. From the east to the north and then towards the south.

ROSSIKE:
ezeagu said:

What would be even stranger would be Germany adopting mainland Chinese, as their language, which is equivalent to what we do as Africans when we adopt European languages.

It seems ''normal'' to us because we're so used to it. But observed from a detached point, it clearly isn't.

Don't forget colonialism has ended.

We're talking about adopting languages, not languages that are already being spoken. If Germany had Chinese as official language for over 100 years then it would seem normal as well. Colonialism has ended so everyone must speak Swahili?

KnowAll:
Becos u happen to be in d minority of Igbos stuck in d east does not mean majority of your brethren in Yoruba land does not speak yoruba, in fact it is commendable, u should be proud of your bi-lingual nature not disputing a well known fact or how else can u sell your products if u refuse to learn d local peoples language.

Even your reverred Ojukwu is a sound Yoruba speaker.

The Igbo who speak Yoruba are in the minority and the majority of Igbo people live in eastern Nigeria. Maybe 20% of Igbo people live outside Igboland, so there is no "bi-lingual nature". Why would someone need to learn Yoruba to sell to Yoruba people, do they not speak English?

MzDarkSkin:
^^You know what all jokes aside! That is real right there. I am not even joking right now. I am going to look into that. I did some research on Igbo culture, and was amazed at how much we preserved in J.A. it is awesome! beautiful ppl too. Same for the Yorubas. Is it Igbo or Yorubas that we got the word "unu" from?

Yes, 'unu' is Igbo for 'you all', I think Jamaicans also do Obeah, in Igbo Obia is doctoring and was an oracle in Igbo towns, 'spiritual doctors' are still known as Ndi obia (obeah people) or Dibia. There's Jonkonnu masquerades in the Caribbean, the Igbo have a celebrations for a deity known as Njoku ji which have masquerades as well. Anyway, this is for another thread. I think Ghana had the same impact as well.

Africans always think that by bolting themselves at the hip they will solve all their problems, it's not. Nigeria adopting Swahili is really like Germany adopting Russian like somebody has already said. I used to say they should adopt the language, but that was when I thought of Nigeria joining together, not any more.

KnowAll:
Many other tribes in Nigeria can speak Yoruba fluently, Igbo's ,  Beni's & Hausa's are versetile inthis language I contribute to the influence of Lagos.

What are you talking about?

MzDarkSkin what are you learning Yoruba for? Come on! come and learn Igbo, you Jamaicans are already using up Igbo words up and down you might as well speak the whole thing.

amazonia:
@Agbotean,

Good job. Thanks you for your contributions to this debate.
You have describe reality as it is on the ground. Those who
have ears let them hear. Owa has always been Edo. I know
you all have evolved your Ika culture, i respect that. Going
through your historical accounts, triggered subconscious
memories of songs i learnt as youth about our legendary
Owa, Umuonode etc. Ikas are steep in edo spiritual heritage.

Owa is the product of a kingdom that existed at least 400 years before the Edo Empire. Respect your elders.

PhysicsQED:
No, but I do know that this post is nonsense.

You can't be serious.

Strange stuff. Edo and Igbo are quite different cultures and linguistically very different but as you know little about Edos you make bizarre statements about Edo being a mix of Yoruba and Igbo and now a full blown "Edo is a lost tribe of the Igbo" statement. I don't know why this ever even comes up when people who've actually bothered to study Edos have identified a whole family of languages called Edoid whose origins have been associated with a migration from the area north of Akoko-Edo downwards.

Hmm, so Edo came by way of Igala as well? Nice to know Southern Nigeria's Igbo roots.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=552546.msg7185013#msg7185013 date=1290294991]bleaching cream can take care of that.

check back as soon as you're ready and white enough.[/quote]Hmm, can you recommend me some, you seem to know a lot about it.

No, Edo is a lost tribe of the Igbo.

Look, I can learn Yoruba as well!

Oh, my skin is not white, never mind.

ROSSIKE:
ezeagu said:

What, a rail line?

Would it make you support the nuclear power plant if a RAIL LINE had been built in Abuja?

Yes, show me where Nigeria can carry out simple city organization.

ROSSIKE:
And that picture of Zaghreb you posted is ludicrous.

English.

ROSSIKE:
What are you trying to say with that? Is Abuja not a great city in its own right or you want me to post nice pictures from there too?

Yes, please post a picture of Abuja's railway with a train like that and organisation like that, and also post its greatly organised tram and bus transport system.

ROSSIKE:
Oh, and as we speak, there's a billion dollar mass transit  rail project currently under construction in Abuja, so we'll soon have such pictures to post on NL.

Is it light rail? And is it the same trains that were posted here before that looked like they were made to carry coal in 1970 instead of humans in 2010?

ROSSIKE:
In the meantime, the nuclear plant will be constructed as scheduled. 

Let's hope it's not handled like PHCN, because Nigerians can fail at maintaining everything except a nuclear power plant.

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Mai Suya:
odd

What do you know for you to describe?

ROSSIKE:
Do you know that tiny Croatia, a highly corrupt nation with less than 5 million people and recovering from civil war, has a nuclear plant currently operational?

And someone is going to tell me here that Nigeria is ''not ready'' for this??

In fact sometimes I wonder what I'm doing on this site! 

If you're going to compare Nigeria to Croatia, I expect you to match these pictures of Zagreb with something similar from Abuja:

[center]https://www.find-croatia.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/intercity-train-zagreb-poze.jpg[img]http://www.novi-zagreb.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/zagreb31.jpg[/img][img]http://iguide.travel/photos/Zagreb-3.jpg[/img][/center]

[quote author=Omo_Tier1 link=topic=553422.msg7178928#msg7178928 date=1290203007]I am not sure if you are aware that the Russians have one of the world most advanced 4th Generation fighter jet ( with only J35/F35 as her rival) and are currently building another 5th generation fighter jet which would enter into service between 2015 and 2020. Technology wise, russians aint laid back and they can give you what you want if you have the money! The planes Nigeria bought from them was at least world class as at the time we bought them and its not fault of russia if Nigeria could not put theirs to good use (ask the indians how they used their MiGs and now they can boast of technical know how in fighter aircraft design and manufacture)[/quote]All I need to know is what I have seen, and what I have seen are nose diving faulty Russian planes sold to Nigerian airline companies for cheap. I don't need to know about Russian battleships which has nothing to do with anything.

I'm waiting for the country to break into as much pieces as it needs to.

wesley80:
Every single thread on NL with an ethnic connotation is laced with all too obvious traces of Igbo insecurity no tanx to the endless agitations from the reasonable to the downright ridiculous. If its not Biafra 2day, its True federalism 2moro, This is becoming embarassing, wetin sef? Is backward the new forward?

It seems you don't know how to read titles.

Anioma [/b]Group Congratulates Delta Acting Governor Of [b]Igbo Extraction

So the faulty Russian planes all those Nigerian airlines used to use (?) with all those nose dives have been forgotten so soon?

jason12345:
it either you are blind or you did not see what your brother put down! he does not consider him as an igbo man.period!

Even more of a dumbo from the fact that you can't read two simple sentences, go back and read what you quoted, this time read it as it was written instead of how you want it to be.

TewMuch:
^
I think Igala are kind of like the itshekiri and Yoruba.Have u heard them speak? Don't confuse settlers in Igbo land with origins.I think Igala are a sub group of Yoruba that over time mixed with Igbo.They are not descended from any Nri

I know what I'm talking about. The royal family of Idah, the capital of Igala was founded by someone from Nri.

[center][img]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RyUvAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA72&img=1&pgis=1&dq=%22The+Atta+of+Idah+was+of+the+Eri+stock+and+had+Igbo+origin.%22&sig=ACfU3U3V-tbTod9j9tLDrnGmepSwsZj33Q&edge=0[/img][/center]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=Ra7lTOHrBsqxhAea6vXFDA&ct=result&id=RyUvAAAAYAAJ

A bunch of dumbos above.

vicenzo:
@ezeagu.Igala are descendants of who?

Igala are partly descendants of the Nri-Igbo.

What is there left to divide, no, please somebody tell me, or is a nairaland poster finally going to start a real life war.

abagoro:
I copied this from an earlier post

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lwkmd!lmfao! na wa oh
on a serious note igbos and yorubas are not more intelligent than hausas.infact the northerners as a whole are intelligent and united. adamawa state alone has more ethnic groups than the entire southern nigeria!!. nigeria was just north and south during the amalgamation but igbos and yorubas divided the south into two.shortly after independence,we created mid-west from thesame south.notice that the north remained as single entity until 1967. the minorities have a voice in the north and have ruled as president of nigeria more than the majority hausa/fulani. babangida-nupe-8 yrs gowon-plateau-9 yrs abacha-kanuri-5 yrs the igbos,yorubas and all their southern brothers will continue tribalising while the united north will continue ruling.yet we think of ourselves as more educated,travelled and
exposed.     https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-350204.0.html

There's something called 'a sphere of influence'. . . . .

PhysicsQED:
You say a lot of strange things.

What's strange?

poweredcom:
TRUTH BRO,
Idomas aint Igbos




I am an igala boi , bu we share close border with delta, Edo state,  and if you take a speed boat for 100Naira you will get to Onitsha, our culture is similar to Igbos even the day the marlet is counted, you see we are all related . no body should tagg any Igala or Idoma man a northerner, at all.its just politricks,

In Anambra North  area they have Igala Ancestary

ADUGE Oyi LGA
IGALA Anambra LGA
IGBO Anambra State, Aguata, Anambra, Awka, Idemili, Ihiala, Njikoka, Nnewi, and Onitsha LGA's


in ebu Area of Delta north Oshimili LGA  Illah, Ezi, Ebu,,these community have Igala ancestary somehow
Aint Igbos but you should know some of them including IGALAS That live whithin the borders on Enugu and Anambra, have similar culture , that shows we are one, by roots , ok you knw Igbor r infulential in businss so an Igala or Idoma person live in Onitsha, for long and does business with igbos he tend to look like igbos

Eri counted the market days and the children of Nri, Eri's son founded Idah. The Igala royalty trace their roots to Nri. The Igala probably 'gave birth' to the Yoruba as well.