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freshera:
I heard their founding fathers (politicians, scientists, entrepreneurs, etc) were solid christians, disciplined and visionary hard workers and strong prayer warriors and that modern day America (and also UK) is still enjoying the results of their prayers and hard work.

Also, that they are Gentiles and are also entitled to the Jews' blessings. I think I read it in a motivational /xtian book. Not sure about it though.

Their faith must have been as strong as their joysticks which they were using to force into Africa slave girls/women. So what happens after a good day of torturing negroes, hmm, I think I'll pray for my country to one day become an even bigger terrorist state. That's how lucky those with Jew blessings are.

davidylan:
Typical black liberal theology that holds no water. If America kicks all those folks out they will be MUCH stronger! For starters that will remove the large bulk of welfare and medicaid recipients. Crime will also go down.

When you try too hard to not be typical, you may just come out wrong. If America didn't have thousands of black slaves, where would their power be?

ChinenyeN:
Here's the problem (as I see it) with some of what you all keep saying. You either make things "this or that"; "one or the other"; or you completely gloss over [blanket] the entire situation, bringing local identities to a sub-par level (you may not think that's the case, but honestly, that's how it all comes out as). The Ika who choose to identify with other Igbo as "Igbo" have not ignored Ika. So you can't keep making comments like the bolded. The Ika who choose to identify as "Igbo" aren't simply "Igbo".

So, if anything, you could have said something along these lines: "let those who [b]also [/b]choose to identify as 'Igbo' be".

I'm sure Ika people have no problem with that. In fact, I don't believe anyone would be bothered by that. But your over-glossing/blanketing tendencies; relegating identities to the back burner, or even, off the stove entirely, perpetuates this issue.

Ika is to Igbo, what, say, the Yorkshire sub-culture is to England, only that the English have advanced to create a unified nation with a standard dialect. 90% of the English speaking world will not understand a Yorkshire accent (or unofficial dialect) just like 70% of the Igbo speaking world cannot understand the Ika dialect. Ika is Igbo, so an Ika person can be just Igbo. If you've made up your mind that the Igbo identity is that of the Anambra people, then you will not understand this. If you understand that Igbo is the root of all these Igbo cultures, then you wouldn't have a problem. And if we want to scrap that and say that an Igbo culture can't be just Igbo, then we have some heavy fragmenting to do, that is, all the way down to hamlet and compound identity, if you know what I mean.

agbotaen:
i am  happy  i do  not  come from a race that  is seen  as a group   of failures that  is what you igbo people are , is  it by force to  be  igbo ? why should  i a proud  ika man  from a royal tradition say  i am  igbo  , a group of people without kings or leader.we are ika people with our respected monarchical govt. and we have  leaders .
   it  was pride that  made made the  igbo to fall and that same  pride and arrogance is what  is  always displayed , what  is our business if an  igbo  man becomes president , what will that do to ikas .
       ika people have  never been part of  igboland  or associated greatly with  igbo land . did ikas support the  civil war , the  answer is  no , but we had a few ika soldiers that fought for  biafra , and many  fought for  nigerian army . owa kingdom housed general muritala ,during the war , he eve took  the title  of ojeba of  owa . at that times the biafrans wanted to  kill our  obi . please tell the world that some yoruba soldiers also  fought for  biafra like  banjo, ademulegun and others .and even some  isokos fought for  biafra too.
               ika is a great race and we do not need people who  are suffering from a hang over and defeat of  war to tell us who  we are , we are  ika and we are proud of our heritage .

You are yet to produce the leader or king of Ika. Who is he and what is his title? Again, stop speaking for all Ika people you foolish confused bigot.

occam:
People should take a deep breath & relax; stop bashing BBC.  What damage has this done to Lagos? There are hoodlums like MC all over the world doing the same thing: using young men for violence, hobnobbing with celebrity types, trying to get attention of politicians and attracting a swarm of gold diggers in skirts 
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Nigerian people aren't used to this sort of international media attention, and so people become naturally suspicious. We all know that this and even the Welcome to Lagos documentary could have shown worse. I actually agree with someone earlier in this thread saying that the BBC's focus on Lagos is for economic/political reasons, although maybe not for the same reasons that was stated like Louis Theroux acting as a spy coming to tear Lagos' image apart (someone has to ask what image people on this thread are defending, maybe they'd rather leave the grimy reality to people's imagination instead of sealing it with video/audio evidence). Lagos has been officially designated as one of the next largest urban areas on earth by the almighty UN, so journalists have to do their work, they even mentioned Lagos in a recent environmental programme, and Welcome to Lagos almost filmed the exact same shots as that documentary and also mentioned that Lagos is growing. They're just eyeing the next potential competition/pace setter/world influencer that's all.

Leilah:
I went to Nigeria and got married there, do that, then u will have to meet his family. I always thought I would be left when he got his papers, he has everything now. He surprised me by buying a house for me. I have one child 6 years now and we are together 7years. I know I did a lot of complaining on this forum about the cultural differences. If you have good intentions, u will be rewarded for it. I wouldnt get pregnant though. It very serious when u have a child and life can be difficult. WHy not get married then later on get pregnant?

Like what?

It doesn't have anything to do with God, and they don't have any special blessing. They got to their position quite violently actually, and many people in their country wouldn't agree with you when you say they're blessed living in run down housing projects. What does the "New Israel mean"?

In a few decades you'll be writing the same for China, probably in Mandarin.

[size=5pt]Fastest growing poverty gap. [/size]

ShangoThor:
The important things that have come out of this documentary:
1.  The photo that MC had on his wall was a ‘PhotoShop collage’. If you run a Google image search you will find the original image of Fashola posing alone. In other words it is a doctored image.

2. This documentary only focused on Lagos and is by no means reflective on Nigeria as a whole. Furthermore, the reason why Lagos is, and will always be targeted as the focus of these kinds of documentaries is because it is the Largest Black city in the world and the Western media have a vested interest in negating ‘our’ ability to effectively organize ourselves, let alone create a utopia, or ‘Garden of Eden’ where black people live decent lives in picturesque, clean, enviable environments.

3. I am actually glad that this exposé was aired. Aspects of this documentary actually put things into perspective for me. Prior to watching it I assumed ‘area boys’ which are technically ‘boys in the hood’, worked as independent units. I had no idea that they were organized from a higher level and were units affiliated to the ‘Transport Workers Union’.  Moreover, this Union is powerful enough to lobby the office of the Governor; are protected by the Security Forces and control the ‘Extortion Racket’ in a Mafia style fashion. I found this very enlightening.

4. It is interesting that this exposé was commissioned by the BBC, afterall the Nigerian controlled media such as NTA, AIT, BEN TV would never tackle these issues and we need to start asking why? Could it be that the middle class and media are complicit in this system that generates gross abject poverty, mass extortion and exploitation?

The bottom line is that I believe Lagosians, and Nigerians in general deserve better.

Report for where? Did you not hear of that AIT studio that 'mysteriously' burnt down? Leave that thing any negative report on the ruling party and the TV station is over, plus NTA is part of the government that is paying for area boys. A shame.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=342281.msg6910520#msg6910520 date=1286661738]Great idea [/quote]Haha, see who is talking.

People of distant descent count as well? Okay. *runs off to Igbo thread*

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=523662.msg6908802#msg6908802 date=1286640433]Of course I expect you to say so.

@Poster
The day your man starts acting up, but drop and find a Yoruba man. You will never regret it, I guarantee it. You'll enjoy our culture, beautiful and bountiful lol. Egbe omo Yoruba, SW Nigeria

Not interested [/quote]See, that's the difference, with Igbo there is no 'acting up'. Once Gera1980's eyes hits Enugu, she'll fall in love with the Igboland. I mean. . .

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=523662.msg6907749#msg6907749 date=1286629964]Poster,

Have you dated a [b]Yoruba [/b]man?

Try it, you'll think heaven is on earth [/quote]lol, is that one fiery Shango heaven?

shotster50:
@ Ezeagu

Do you by any chance know where that building is at Nkpor

Folow the link at the bottom of the picture and then scroll down on that page.

I was shocked when I saw that this was in Igboland:

Ohum waterfall, Enugu

https://www.arkppn.org/DSC00112.JPG
[img]http://4.bp..com/_KOq6AlodkJI/RyCIFv9vA0I/AAAAAAAAAqY/1Ul9INE51PA/s400/AWHUM+WATER+FALLS+-+ENUGU+STATE+-+SOUTH+EAST+NIGERIA4.jpg[/img]

Visit a 300 year old Igbo war tower in Ukpor

https://www.nacd.gov.ng/Dikes%20tower.jpg

http://www.nacd.gov.ng/Anambra_state_Tourist_sites.htm

Enugu's hills just being wasted and waiting to be made millions off of, can you imagine if a movie industry takes a strong hold in the city and tourists start flocking to Enugu, do you know how much a house built here could cost?

[img]http://www.cityfarmer.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/enugu.jpg[/img]

Mehn, we have so much potential. . . .

BBC's Message: "That shows you for wanting independence, hahaha"

What's this thread about?

excanny:
That still wouldn't deal with the bias.

How? you have your own forum as in website and you can make sure not to biased no? You can discuss what you want, where you want, no?

agbotaen is not an official spokesperson for the Ika community, he is not a mouthpiece for the Ika, and shouldn't be addressed like he represents all Ika people. agbotaen is an individual, a random forumer that should let others identify how they want just like he can identify with what he wants. We don't even know if he's Ika at all. Stop insulting Ika people by using agbotaen to represent them all.

agbotaen:
it might be your problem  as an igbo man , but  it  is not  our problem  as ika people , we know who we are and we are happy about that ,when you mix a black  woman and a white  man ,what do  you have ? you have  an halfcast  or mulatoo as you wish to call them .we are ikas and we have no  apology to give to any  one .
                   it is always the igbo people who  are always crying that  this person is supossed to  be igbo  , but he says he  is not , what business of theirs is  it ? is  it by force , if a person does not  want you , you leave them alone. people are usually proud to associate with what they like , no one forces a person to appreciate anything , it  comes from the heart .
       ikas have never pretended that all  ikas migrated from same place ,as that will be a fallacy .but we are now  ikas .majority of ikas from agbor,abavo,ota,oligie,ekpon,igbogiri,idumuesah,otolokpo,owa,owa-iru,owa-ikeke, emuhu,ute-okpu,ute-ogbeje ,umunede areas who believe they are  ikas cannever be shaken in their believe .but we also find quite a few ika communities who share border with aniocha areas ,saying they are igbos , such places like ekwuoma, and some in igbodo ,and some parts of akumazi .this is also welcomed as their major ancestors must have migrated from igbo land.

[size=18pt]SHUT UP[/size] You don't speak for all Ika people. Leave other Ika people to be Igbo if you want to run off to Benin, it's not by force that others will follow you to commit the abomination of denying your ancestors, and it's not by force that other Ika people should follow you into your beloved Edo nation. Speak for yourself only, if you want to speak for Ika bring something reliable that backs your statements such as a poll, otherwise stop embarrassing yourself in front of people who know who they are.

excanny:
You are right. If it had contained the word 'Igbo', even if it were a reasonable debate amongst the Igbo, it would have long been thrown into the tribalism section. This really disgusts me. Cant we discuss anymore?

This mukina is just so biased.

Create your own forum.

Oh, after the fact is when we start pretending to wonder if the money was too much? And they're already planning "future celebration"? Foolish.

[quote author=Inked_Nerd link=topic=523662.msg6884090#msg6884090 date=1286342025]
lol, thanks. I still believe that there's a difference though. I don't believe that the professors that I spoke to lied to me . Thanks for the reassurance though.[/quote]I don't see any post saying that your professors lied to you, they're just ignorant to the topic. Ibo is considered a spelling mistake. You couldn't give me an example of an Igbo organisation that says that Ibo is the language and Igbo are the people.

I hope you know that being a professor doesn't make you the sole author of truth?

ChinenyeN:
Cushion/Padding/Pad (noun) -- anyone?
Don't you mean, lect? Accents are quite different from lects. . . accents would be the tones patterns (I would think. . ).

Yeah I was wrong, I meant dialect.

Gera1980:
Hi Ezeagu,

I am sorry, I don't know what dialect it is. What I know is that my boyfriend is from Enugu state. Does this help?

Thanks and Best,
Geraldine

Yeah, in some dialects Kini is used instead of Gini, So 'kini ki neme' can be correct for 'what are you doing'.

[quote author=naija_diva link=topic=482288.msg6888103#msg6888103 date=1286382556]bcuz the europeans came and left quietly. . . .[/quote]I already told you guys that people know their family history very well in Igboland, these people do not have any Europeans in their family, if they did they'd say so. Many of these Europeans were stationed in specific areas, many of them were in Igboland in the late 1800's and no earlier, which means that their presence in their family tree is even more detectable. All of them were men, and I know you people aren't telling me that a white man assimilated into an Igbo village. There are similar cases of this in Nigeria, it doesn't mean European ancestry.

[quote author=naija_diva link=topic=482288.msg6887084#msg6887084 date=1286374811]what was that for? It is true, just like u may have a white couple who may give birth to a black child. it has happened. I do not think that there is anyone on the face of this earth who has "pure" european blood, or "pure" african blood, or "pure" asian blood. Thats reality so ppl shouldnt be shocked by stories such as this one. genetics does not care if you are the blackest black or the whitest white, it is gonna do its thing, period![/quote]Where did these people get European genes from?

Most Afro-Brazilians are from present day Congo and Angola. Most Haitians are from present day Benin Republic. Most Brazilian returnees to Lagos were Yoruba/mixed with European and other African groups. This woman looks noting like the picture of Afro-Brazilian and Yoruba-Brazilian people posted, she looks just Igbo. I used half-Brazilian because there are common ethnic groups associated with Brazil.

asha 80:
But the have Ameachi now or have their attitude changed?

Does that makes sense?

[quote author=naija_diva link=topic=482288.msg6873644#msg6873644 date=1286206749]^^^^ yep, some where aloooooooong the family line, there could of been someone white in their family. genetics can be funny at times.[/quote]These Igbotic people? White from where?

[quote author=baby.me link=topic=520608.msg6880111#msg6880111 date=1286288186]Mbakara is not an offensive word. It's a term that is used to describe the white and it literally means "those that rule" maybe from the fact that the white ruled Africa. It's worthy to note that it's NOW used as an endearment,to describe beauty,love,affection etc (i even call my boo mbakara )

If my instinct is right, the person that called Star Mbakara used it as an endearment.[/quote]I guess like 'nigga'? Anyway the word started off offensive and some still use it that way, I guess whoever is at the receiving end would have to interpret the users motives. As for Mbakara for 'love' I never heard that one.

Andre Uweh:
I earlier wrote that women with titles break kola nuts in some parts of Delta Igbo region. Reread my post. Thanks for your info on Onitsha.
Ndigbo feel it is more hygienic to break kola nuts with knife. Secondly, some peoples hands are soiled with blood and Ndigbo do not want that. There are more reasons which I may not list here.

I thought it was custom to break by hand?

How stupid this topic seems now.