₦airaland Forum

PhysicsMHD:
Doubtful. The Ijaw have a legitimate claim to original ownership of large percentage of Port Harcourt.

Can you tell us which percentage?

jason123:
@ Ezeuche

Why do you keep mentioning Port-harcourt if the ikwerris say they are not igbo (No offence pls)?

The Ikwerre as one block have never claimed to not be Igbo. Port Harcourt is an Igbo city.

13volts:
I smell the work of MOSSOB becoz they have not perfected the art of bomb blasting following their two failed attempt. while BOKO HARAM & MEND would have succeeded even in their first attempt

See people bragging about terrorist groups!

ShangoThor:
Five reasons discerning the non-feasability of a Strong centred Eastern (Igbo) state.

1. The lack of support for its creation by the International Community and International bodies such as the UN.

So why would they support 'Southern Nigeria'?

ShangoThor:
2. The lack of a general consensus amongst the majority of their populace to secede.

How do you know this?

ShangoThor:
3. Minorities to be encorporated within the State might not want to be.

There are no minorities, it's an Igbo state.

ShangoThor:
4. It is not in the ethnic character of its peoples to form large States, Kingdoms, or Empires.

First of all what does this have to do with the present? Second of all you're wrong, and lastly what do you judge as a 'large' state, kingdom, or empire?

ShangoThor:
5. The creation of such a State might end up counter productive to their economic interests by curtailing or confining
trade activities within the confines of the newly created State

Why and how?

ShangoThor:
and might leave the State land locked if certain minority
communities disagree about being encoporated into such a State.

If every Igbo community from Owerre and southwards somehow votes out of the Igbo state, it still will not be land locked.

Option B - Give me an Igbo state or leave Nigeria as it is.

From Frederick Lugard

…I have the honour to enclose for your information charts of the estuaries and rivers in the neighbourhood of the proposed port and terminus of the Eastern Railway at Diobu or more correctly Iguocha…In the absence of any convenient local name, I would respectfully ask your permission to call this Port Harcourt, and I anticipate, that, in future, it will be one of the most important ports in the coast of West Africa…

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:bz0YcAuQif0J:www.irmgard-coninx-stiftung.de/fileadmin/user_upload/pdf/urbanplanet/collective_identities/Odoemene_Essay.pdf

It wasn't only his men that were organising kidnappings, anyway kidnapping didn't start recently. But just be careful with borrowing.

Odunnu:
But i'm already in Nigeria

That 'let me borrow them' line is for countries without regular kidnappers.

Odunnu:
Too much stress,thats why I want to borrow the babies.

You better not come to Nigeria and talk about 'borrowing' anybody's child oh!

The shirt is worn by different groups in eastern Nigeria as modern yet cultural wears. The chain may be a clock or just a rope chain on its own.

Why the large green letters?

I agree that Delta State has too be the most peaceful state in Nigeria to be so diverse. On the other hand I'm not going to follow the people that are saying that the various groups act as one with a 'Delta' identity, because it's not true.

Obiagu1:
They used to be more than 7% but returned to Nigeria during Francisco Macías Nguema regime.

Their 2002 census put the Igbo on Bioko at around 7%, that should have gone up a bit now.

I think the order goes in the United States Igbo - Yoruba - Edo - Cross River - Ijaw

Maybe around 600,000 legal
Igbo 300,000
Yoruba 200,000
Edo 25,000
Cross River 25,000
Ijaw 25,000
Others 25,000

More than 7% of Bioko island is Igbo, Nigeria must provide boats to that island if this is passed or it is unfair. And they better not forget the Aro settlements in Gabon and Equatorial Guinea, yes, the whole of the Bight of Biafra!

I thought it was Fulani not Hausa?

donkarly:
|@ezeagu,your translation of the bolded words are wrong.Obia means stranger,as in 'Onye Obia' and Nzu is native chalk.it is used for prayers and incantations by traditional title holders and native doctors.Ilunilu(ihunihu) means face to face.

Igbo is a tonal language and one word could mean different things depending on tone, I'm sure you know that. I could argue with someone that says their from Awka that they are actually saying that they come from a vegetable. Obia with a low town on the 'a' means doctoring. Dibia is an easier way of saying 'Di Obia' which means 'master of the mystics, sciences, knowledge of the universe, magic, or shrine'. Ilunilu is 'Ilu na ilu', 'proverb upon proverb', which can be understood as philosophy, the only variations I know for face or forward are 'Ihu' and 'Iru', maybe 'Ilu' is 'face' in another dialect as well, I don't know.

spyder880:
And what solutions have you worked out yet, just turning up bad news and situations like there is an award for whinning.

So cursing somebody out and calling them a useless person is going to pave Nigeria's major highways?

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7595751#msg7595751 date=1295903398]this isnt about rings.

you brought rings into the discussion, and i reminded you rings are[b] in addition to [/b] the cows and whatnot.[/quote]That's the whole thing, there's no where in the story that he said he was required to buy rings. Rings can sometimes cost more than cows so it is relevant in comparing Sosotho culture and Western culture. If it was a Sosotho man marrying a British person, he would be required to buy expensive rings which would be equivalent to the cows, among other things and MOST UK weddings cost over 5000.

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7595751#msg7595751 date=1295903398]yes, many marriages today involve rings, regardless of location. This isnt the 13th century.[/quote]What does that even mean? Since when do rings in marriages indicate modernism? Many marriages involve rings, but it isn't a requirement in Sosotho marriages. So if a man buys rings when marrying a Western woman, he will buy cows when marrying a Sosotho woman, no matter if he is a precious white man that can "marry anybody he likes". If he wants to buy rings and do a white wedding then that's not the Sosotho people's business because they didn't ask him to.

spyder880:
Myopic, jaundiced, frustrated and lopsided views from a hopeless person.

People like this are a BIG part of the problem.

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7590538#msg7590538 date=1295837624]^^the man isnt sosotho, so that doesnt apply.

and yes, buying rings is general, not specific per se.

in short, there was no need to start charging cows and whatnot- there's always room for compromise.

the guy is not from their culture, and isnt even black.

this kind of rigidity is counter-productive and will come back to bite you in the behind.[/quote]Rings are not required by Sosotho customs, so how does it count? If it was a Sosotho man being urged by a white family to buy rings you'd say nothing because of a cultural and racial complex. Sorry, I don't see Western culture as the norm that we all most follow. What on earth does rigidity mean? Africans continuing their culture is 'counter-productive'?

Abagworo:
There are similarities amongst Nigerian languages but this their Egypt,Asian and Hebrew similarities are very short of reality.Look at the English and French examples I gave and understand my point.

But what's wrong with just comparing?

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7589488#msg7589488 date=1295820929]well, he still has to buy the girl a ring in any case, so it's not quite the same thing.[/quote]So Sosotho men must buy gold rings for their wife or is it his own culture? Just drop it.

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7589438#msg7589438 date=1295820257]^^he's marrying a bride, not the culture.

is he not? [/quote]In most of Africa when you marry a bride you're also marrying the family. If an African marries an English person he would be required to buy gold, silver or diamond rings that cost hundreds to thousands (and sometimes millions), what is the difference with buying cows?

Andre Uweh:
There is no common ancestry amongst Ndigbo. Ubulu Uku, Nri etc trace their ancestry from Israel. Some communities trace their ancestry from Bini, Igala, Aro, Orlu, Okigwe and Ngwa. While others trace their roots from nowhere.

Aren't these people Igbo?

Abagworo:
It disgusts me so much how in desperation all the African languages try to look for similarity with ancient Egyptian words.The latest is Japanese.

Me(English). Mi(Igbo,Yoruba,Bini etc)

Moi(French). Mua(Igbo)

Viens(French). Bie(Igbo)

Yes(English). Eye(Igbo)

Eye - pronounced aiy(English). Anya(Igbo)

Does it mean Igbo originated from French and English?

What's desperate about looking for similarities?

[quote author=tpia* link=topic=590987.msg7588331#msg7588331 date=1295809396]and why should they charge a white man a cow?

he can marry any lady for free if he so wishes.

nigerians wey dey marry them pass, arent paying that much brideprice i'm sure.[/quote]If he can marry anybody, that's his business, but if he's marrying into this culture then he must pay. Why must there be different rules for 'white men'?

Anyway, I'm that many Nigerian cultures only require change for dowry's now.