₦airaland Forum

tpiah:
you must be joking.

No I'm not actually, the EFCC is helping to stop corruption the biggest problem in Nigeria.

tpiah:
if your grouse is that nigeria has no right to depict strength on it's logo, then that's your own wahala. But stop arguing aimlessly over things even a one year old baby knows!!!

All I saw was History of Ireland, France and Henry III. . . . no Nigeria.

tpiah:
1. are you a nigerian

Why?

tpiah:
2. have you ever been to nigeria, and how many times, if you have.

Why?

tpiah:
3. what is bald about the picture of the american bald eagle you posted.

That is its species. . . . . 

If you're trying to imply that these are not the same species of eagle then YOU must be the one joking.

https://www.championsfornigeria.org/cfn/images/efcc%20logo155.jpg
[img]http://seanetters.files./2009/05/bald-eagle-head.jpg[/img]

Look, all I'm saying is that Nigeria should have been original and should have used its history and culture for its symbols instead of predictably copying the United States. Yes, the US copied things, but they acknowledged the origin of the things copied as far as putting the name of the origin in the copy, e.g Greek Revival, 'Romanesque' and they only use this for ceremonial or national buildings which are heavily Americanised anyway, they have their own architectural styles for houses (which some Nigerians copy as well. . . .) like this. Do you think if Nigerians were honest and had an architectural style called 'Americana' that this thread would look like there was any sense gone into making it?

Rome and Greece has nothing to do with Nigeria apart from influencing the people who created it, the British (who are part Roman). No amount of Egyptian original ideas copied by Greece changes the fact that Greece personalised and added ideas to the copy, whether this is a bad thing or good thing, whether the changes were bad or not, that is not the point; it's theirs. And why would you copy a bastardisation? Why not an Egyptian, or even a Nubian revival?

I do not follow the logic that Nigeria should copy the so called "standard" to be a good country, because it's obviously not working. Britain for once, could have been looked at as "the standard", and even with the fact most Americans are ethnic Britons, they deposed the British way of doing things, took certan Native American ways of doing things (houses, clothes, food, language), and guess what, we are now calling it the standard.

I believe in original ideas, and I believe that Africans have the mental capacity (and have proven to be able to) create their own ideas. We don't need to copy anything! Do your own. You'll go and watch television now and all you can see is Nigerian people straining their accents to sound like some pseudo-American dialect, looking s.t.u.p.i.d. Only If I could put audio clips of fake American accents by Nigerians on threads.

Veritas09:
the two LARGEST populations to immigrate to the U.S. in its earliest stages were the Chinese and African slaves -- they outnumbered people of European descendant up until the post-industrial era, I believe.  This fact is rarely mentioned in U.S. history books, however.

I have NO idea where you get your information from (Chinese?  ) but you're wrong! Go and look at the US census information and look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_the_United_States. Outnumbered, where?

Veritas09:
Nigeria has plenty of wildlife -- you inevitably have to settle on one.  There's no point in debating the merits of one animal over another -- you weren't a part of making that decision, and in all likelihood, neither was the U.S.

Answer: The eagle, particularly the bald eagle, is not important in Nigerian folklore.

Veritas09:
Different countries have different names for their administrative districts.  Nigeria's definition of statehood, for instance, might not be the same as the United States (in fact, they are defined differently by the Nigerian and the American constitutions).

Nigeria named their divisions states, which after independence there was none and they had something called regions. I think I remember someone talking about the Nigerian constitution and the US constitution. . . .

Veritas09:
China and Russia have states/provinces/municipalities.

China and Russia so not have states, they have nothing called states, joining the word with province and municipalities, oblast, etc does not change the fact that Nigeria changed its regions to states.

Veritas09:
As does the UK - or Australia - or Japan - or Brazil.

The UK does not have states, it has counties and as far as I know they don't work like states. Australia has states, 6 apparently and it is a continent, Japan does not have states. Brazil has 26 states.

Veritas09:
"State" is just one of many terms for how you organize a country

If it is "just one of many terms for how you organize a country", why did Nigeria change its "terms" from region to states?

Veritas09:
if it makes you feel better, than just call them "regions".

Nigeria does not call its divisions regions, it used to, but for some reason it now calls its divisions States. Trying to avoid this is not going to work.

Veritas09:
You cannot tell a species purely by its phenotype.

Or maybe you're an expert on eagles?

Who do you think you're selling that to? Look, if you want to lie to yourself then do it on your own.

tpiah:
for the last time, the eagle on the nigerian coat of arms is NOT the american bald eagle.

nigeria has OVER 48 species of eagle!!!!!

i saw eagles very frequently when i was in nigeria, as i've repeated many times on this thread.

some places have vultures, while other places have eagles! I did not see any vultures when i was young- i never even realized some places in nigeria had so many vultures, until i was grown.

Well, the most important organisation Nigeria has is the EFCC and this is the only depiction of the Nigerian eagle:

https://www.championsfornigeria.org/cfn/images/efcc%20logo155.jpg

Bald!

Veritas09:
Albania, Armenia, Austria, Germany, Indonesia, Mexico, Panama, the Philippines, Poland, Russia, Serbia, and Zambia also list eagles as one of or their only national animal.  There's just something about that species!

How many of them are bald eagles?

Look at the feather design closely.

https://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/08/presidential-seal.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/NigerianPresidentSeal.png/600px-NigerianPresidentSeal.png

tpiah:
Maybe your efcc logo is based on the american bald eagle.

My EFCC logo? You mean the one used on their official website?

tpiah:
that doesnt mean there's no african fish eagle which looks the same.

No, the beak and colors are not the same.

tpiah:
check my previous post.

I didn't see any bald eagles from Africa in your post.

tpiah:
so are there lions in england? ie a native species there.

Actually, there were until they were hunted into extinction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/7974948.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4371908.stm

But obviously, they copied the lion from Africa and India because these lions are thousands of years old. Then again they captured lions and put them into zoos. Now onto copying, the Lion is the symbol of strength in every culture, they also are not region or even continent specific and there are lions (modern ones) native to Greece. The people who created the three lions, the English, had possession of lions, When did Nigeria capture the bald eagle? Where in Africa is the bald eagle? What part of Nigerian culture, like the British culture (e.g 'Heart of a Lion' nickname for King Richard the I around 800 years ago), portrays the bald eagle?

tpiah:
south african coat of arms

https://www.freewebs.com/worlddirectory/480px-Coat_of_arms_of_South_Africa.svg.png

A two toned brown eagle (no white) with some feather sticking out the back of its head? Wait isn't that this bird you posted? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Tawny_Eagle_cropped.jpg

tpiah:
I dont see a resemblance between the nigerian coat of arms and your EFCC logo besides the fact that they're both eagles.

National symbol, A national symbol is used over and over again such as the three lions of England. The EFCC depicted the Nigerian eagle, please don't tell me otherwise, go to http://www.efccnigeria.org/ to see what they used.

tpiah:
AFRICAN FISH EAGLE:

Black tipped beak, auburn feathers. . . . .

tpiah:
^^ btw this is the  EFCC logo on wiki:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Efcc_logo.png


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Efcc_logo.png

where did you get yours?

I got my. . . oh wait that's a bald eagle, never mind!

tpiah:
is that the nigerian coat of arms?

No, it is a representation of the national bird. . . . . which is on the coat of arms.

tpiah:
i have no idea, but you can find that out yourself.

Found it!

https://www.championsfornigeria.org/cfn/images/efcc%20logo155.jpg

Oh, wait, I already posted this! We can clearly see what bird the Nigerian government was thinking of when picking a national symbol. . . . .

tpiah:
^hawk, sweetie.

So in your source where does it say the bald eagle is native to anywhere outside North America, or native to Nigeria?

tpiah:
ghanaian coat of arms. notice the two eagles.

Note that the eagles haven't spread their wings in full shot while looking to the left. Note that Ghana's national symbol is at the head of their coat of arms and that it is not an eagle. Note that it is sad that Nigeria's copying is to be justified by another countries standards.

tpiah:
as per how it landed on the seal, i wasnt there but i dont think it requires any great leap of faith to put a bird which 90% of the population sees 90% of the time, on a national crest.

It landed there through copying. The eagles posture is specific. "It stands for strength", yes, because the eagle is the strongest animal in Nigerian folk tales. . .

Eddeux:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Nigeria-s-film-industry-second-only-to-Bollywood-in-scale/Article1-538248.aspx
read it and weep   do you have nothing good to say about Nigeria?

A Joke, bragging because movies are shot and sold every two weeks flooding the "Cinema" with hundreds of substandard "movies" every year. If you think I didn't know Nigeria is the second largest producer in the world, then you're mistaken, but it is delusion to brag about such low quality.

tpiah:
you're trying to make it seem as if nigeria's own is a bad thing.

Okay, you're okay settling for second best I can see (like 98% of Nigerians). Fine.

Veritas09:
Where to even begin?

Many countries have similar seals.

But not as similar as Nigeria to the US.

Veritas09:
Nollywood takes after Hollywood because America's is the largest film industry in the world -- they're therefore entitled to set the standard.

So where is UKwood and Canadawood if this standard is set and everyone is copying it? Are you okay with settling for second best? Why can't Nigeria do its own thing and surpass the "standard"?

Veritas09:
But then again, there are many cities in America named after European ones.

Are you aware of the history of the United States? Do you know the reason why a section of America is called New England or why the term WASP is used in the US? Because if you did I don't think this would have been made a point.

Veritas09:
It's always struck me as funny that America would choose the eagle as the national animal, since eagles are more endemic in Africa and parts of Eurasia.  Nigeria alone has at least 13 species of eagle

So where is the eagle in Nigerian folktales, mythology or other customs. Where does the eagle surpass the Leopards, tortoise, lions or even the snakes symbolism in Nigerian cultures?

Veritas09:
whereas the U.S. uses the bald eagle

. . . which is native and only found in North America. . .

Veritas09:
which is endangered in that country.

Since when?

Veritas09:
There are plenty of countries with even less territory that are divided into states -- that you've chosen the United States as a standard of comparison (50 states for 9.6 million sq km) as opposed to Russia or China speaks to the fact that YOU are the one who considers it the ideal.

I must be missing something, because as far as I can see China and Russia do not have states, I didnt even know communist countries were so keen to divide power like that. Anyway, if they do, and I've missed this vital information, can YOU kindly provide the name of these divisions known as states.

Veritas09:
You want Nigeria to be original and stop copying the U.S., but at the same time it should adhere to the U.S.'s standards when establishing states?

If you are not aware Nigeria originally had regions, these regions were working fine until a state creation frenzy swept the overlords government of Nigeria. What do you mean by "adhere to the U.S.'s standards when establishing states", is that to say that questioning the cramming of 30+ states into a country and showing that the country's size is that of one state in the country it is copying , says that I want Nigeria to "adhere to the U.S.'s standards when establishing states"? What standards, common sense standards, because it's obviously common sense that Nigeria has too many states (if it should have states in the first place) for its size.

Eddeux:
Except Hollywood isn't the largest film industry, Bollywood is followed by Nollywood THEN Hollywood.

It's this delusion that makes sure Nigeria isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Eddeux:
And ahh, Ezago still going at it? Do you live in America and just love to compare Nigeria to it or what?

There's no comparison, unfortunately.

tpiah:
^^check again

So where is American-Ancient Greek music, cinema and language?

You really want to compare an African country copying the US to the Greek reivial (Greek is noted as the source) in American (which is just an extension of Europe) and European architecture. Please, can you tell me if Nigeria is as related to Greece as American culture and history is?

And implying that Nigeria is copying the US because they believe the ideas originally came from Africa is none sense, let us say the truth.

tpiah:
^^ what makes the nigerian imitation cheap?

skin color?

as per your second quote, take it up with the juju advocates, since our (hope you're included) forefathers arent around so you can ask them.

Direct copy without your own idea is a cheap imitation. Copying a copy blatantly is a cheap imitation. The USA had a Greek revival in architecture, they didn't make every single aspect of their society Greek, including music and language. . . . .

tpiah:
^^go through the photos i just posted and check the 1st century head of a black man that i included there.

many more examples of negro busts if that's what you want to see.

nothing s.tupid about anything that doesnt match what you're saying.

i also posted an explanation of why and where the division arose between greek and black ancient egyptian philosophy.

if you dont like that fact, then take it up with your brethren the juju advocates.

i believe there's an ongoing debate in this very section.

try to read the information in that article (i quoted) very well before rushing to type a response.

So Greek Negro busts means Nigeria is going in the right direction by being a cheap imitation?

Again from your source:

None of this is to say that the Greeks were without their own ideas. On the contrary, the Greeks appeared to have formed their own interpretations of what they learned in Kemet.

tpiah:
from write up:

From the whole write up where did they write that Greek architecture is a complete duplicate of Ancient Egyptian art, then explain the busts of white people instead of Egyptians, where are the Greek pyramids? This is a s.tupid comparison.

Here's another quote from your source:

[size=15pt]None of this is to say that the Greeks were without their own ideas. On the contrary, the Greeks appeared to have formed their own interpretations of what they learned in Kemet.[/size]

Again, this is a stuupid comparison.

tpiah:
you cant separate the history of greece and africa.

This has nothing to do with Greek architecture. Nothing. They developed their own, everything that came after is theirs.

chiogo:
Who doesn't copy the U.S.?

Show me a country that copied architecture, states/government, official deigns, national symbols, music, film and names all at the same time.

chiogo:
Ezeagu, you seem to be going off on some other stuff like you're not Nigerian or something. Am I missing something?  

So what does that mean, if someone is from Nigeria they can't criticise the country?

tpiah:
ancient greece and a. egypt share a lot of history.

egypt is in africa.

most black tribes in africa have relationships with ancient egypt.

end of.

This has nothing to do with your last post, and if you didn't read what you were replying to properly here it is again:

ezeagu:
So don't you think Nigeria should have an Egyptian revival instead of copying Eurocentric Anglo dominated American Greek Revival architecture when the American democracy's lineage stems directly back to Greece? Does Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt still exist? Do you think Nigeria has as much relation to Greece/Rome as much as the Anglo dominated America does? Is blatant copying justified just because another country does it?

tpiah:
^^aesop the ethiopian was from greece and africa.

africa and greece have a very long and detailed interactive history so yes, nigeria can copy any progressive thing they see in greco-roman architecture.

greco-roman architecture also came from somewhere.

No, sorry but the Greeks developed their own architecture and Nigeria has nothing to do with it, and even if they had the original designs, that does not change the fact that the Greeks personalised and advanced their cities to suit them, e.g busts of white Greek people. Please tell me who was the Nigerian who built ancient Greece for them. This is a very bad defense for Nigeria copying the USA.

GAR3TH:
who cares if one country is copying another. in fact, the designs many buildings in washington D.C. and around the world came from architectural styles from foreign empires.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Revival_architecture

a few examples are

So don't you think Nigeria should have an Egyptian revival instead of copying Eurocentric Anglo dominated American Greek Revival architecture when the American democracy's lineage stems directly back to Greece? Does Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt still exist? Do you think Nigeria has as much relation to Greece/Rome as much as the Anglo dominated America does? Is blatant copying justified just because another country does it?

Eddeux:
Yes it's a coincidence in my book for the states and Nollywood being related to Hollywood. What should they call it instead? Naijawood? Naija City? The Film and Televsion Producers Association of the 36 States of Nigeria? 

How about the Nigerian Cinema?

Eddeux:
[color=#550000]Why no prefectures?

Because Nigeria has states not prefectures.

Eddeux:
[color=#550000]48 prefectures and a little smaller than California  .

A prefecture is really just a Local Government Area.

Eddeux:
Nigeria isn't slightly bigger than Texas, it's more than twice the size of it! Texas is similar in size to France, it's not over 300,000 sq. miles.

Okay, back it up, and the evidence better show that Nigeria is twice the size of Texas!

Eddeux:
Can you prove that Nollywood was copying Hollywood w/ the name? Possible coincidence? But again who cares it's just a name for pete's sake! I didn't know little things like that bothered you.

. . . . . .a coincidence?

Eddeux:
Really? I think Nigeria having so many states has more to do w/ political issues in the country, nothing related to the US of A.

Nigeria is copying the US.

Eddeux:
so with saying that any country as big or smaller than Nigeria with almost 50 states like the USA is copying it? Or is this just limited to Nigeria?

Before you start looking for that, how will showing me another country that copies the US show that Nigeria is not copying the US? Now go and look for a country the same size as Nigeria or smaller with more than 30 states, emphasis on states, they must be called states.

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=463089.msg6220086#msg6220086 date=1276616267]How does your point still stand when u claimed that in the following quote. .[/quote]Because the original point was that Nigeria is the same size as a US state and is trying to have the same amount of states as the US. We have established that Nigeria is smaller than a US state and we have established that the amount of states in Nigeria (which are even being eyed to be demarcated more) is almost the same amount as the US (one day you'll get those 50 states Nigeria!).

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=463089.msg6220086#msg6220086 date=1276616267]If u want to change your words do so. . but dont lie on the same thread where everyone can see. . .

ps TEXAS has an area of 268820 square miles (696,200 km2)
Nigeria is 923,768 sq km. . .u do the math. . but a difference of over 200,000 sq Km is not slightly bigger[/quote]What do you think you're doing, catching me out? Where did I lie? Your post doesn't even match up with mine because you're obviously aiming for something that doesn't have anything to do with making points or with the topic. Do you think this puts any dents in the evidence? Nigeria is smaller than a US state, a fact.

tpiah:
@ezeagu
from wiki:
on st paul's cathedral:
on the US capitol building:

And how does this show that Nigeria isn't copying the United States? Don't you think it will make better sense if it was the Parliamentary palace that the US copied? I still stand by my last post, plus I don't think the majority of Nigerians are English descendants, I don't know maybe I missed something.

knotty:
go and plant a Russian Flag on top of it and see what will happen. wasteland indeed!

What are you talking about? Of course Alaska is a wasteland, it's [size=15pt]full of useless crude oil![/size]

tpiah:
^^but didnt you say the photo of nollywood is fake. As per the name nollywood itself, who was consulted before they settled on that name.


the abuja dome doesnt look so american to me.

here are more domes:
st peter's basilica rome
dome on the rock jerusalem
taj mahal india
st paul's cathedral uk

Things should be put in context, you've shown me religious buildings and a palace, I've shown you two working government buildings that have very similar functions. The architecture of the two buildings are too similar.  I know Nigeria copied.

tpiah:
post more photos of seals from around the world, for comparison.

I have, but for you I'll post more:

Turkey:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Presidential_Seal_of_Turkey.png

Ireland:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Presidential_Seal_%28Ireland%29.png

Japan (Empirical)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Imperial_Seal_of_Japan.svg/600px-Imperial_Seal_of_Japan.svg.png

I looked hard and I couldn't see any eagles; no, not an eagle (spread wings looking to left) in sight!

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=463089.msg6219766#msg6219766 date=1276613598]FROM CIA FACTBOOK
NIGERIA

total: 923,768 sq km

country comparison to the world: 32

land: 910,768 sq km

water: 13,000 sq km

Area - comparative:
slightly more than twice the size of California 

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html[/quote]In the end what have you proven, that Nigeria is slightly bigger than Texas and smaller than Alaska, my point still stands.

[quote author=paddy_lo link=topic=463089.msg6216705#msg6216705 date=1276570102]No homie,Nigeria is actually the size of California,Nevada,and arizona joined together

No one USA state is big as Nigeria. . capiche?[/quote]Texas. . . . yeah, you need a map.

Eddeux:
your point?

In response to Nollywood you went "Okay, there is also a Bollywood!", I'll leave you to figure that one out for yourself.

Eddeux:
Paddy_lo already summed it up, Nigeria is twice the size of Cali, but yeah too many states in the country, imo. I think Nigeria has more states than Brazil (a country more than 4 times it size)

Texas is bigger than Nigeria. Nigeria is trying to have the same amount of states as the US.

Eddeux:
okay, if you have a problem with it go take it up with the designer, or send a letter to the Nigerian government offering to redesign!

Where can I do that, and what is the gaurantee the designer will actually get it, and can change it? Anyway the point was to highlight Nigeria's copying, the thread isn't about whether this is good or bad, maybe if the thread gets longer that will develop.

tpiah:
with the exception of the psquare example and maybe the state creation, all others are purely circumstantial.


domes are commonly used anywhere.

the seals of other countries should be used for comparison [s]since america also got her own seal idea from somewhere.[/s]

in short, not a big deal.

No I don't buy that. For me the eagle is blatant, Nollywood is blatant (obviously) and the dome is blatant. It's not even only the dome, is the rest of the building as well. And by they got their own seal from somewhere where do you mean?

Eddeux:
Okay, there is also a Bollywood!

Do you want to be a leader or a follower?

Eddeux:
No resemblance between the states whatsoever.

No resemblance apart from the fact that there's over 30 states packed into a country that is the same size as one US state. 

Eddeux:
I see no resemblance between the seals (ours is an eagle, yours is two horses).

You don't see the big red bird on top of a shield looking to the left, you don't see the fonts' style and size, you don't see the big circle around the whole thing and you don't see all the stars? And lol at "yours".

This is how not to copy.

https://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/79/l_ee52c5dfa0bb45a38cbd3ff36dea0ecd.png

Lead by example, don't settle for a cheap imitation.

[quote author=mama-gee link=topic=463089.msg6216462#msg6216462 date=1276560111][color=deeppink]that's the only one that's sincere.[/color][/quote]What do you mean?

maedan:
tied on with the odd ankara wrapper.

Ankara that is ruling the fashion industry. Ankara that is selling for hundreds of dollars now. Let us not even get into that now, we all remember Louis Vuitton right?

https://www.myweku.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/LV2.jpghttps://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2010/02/beyonce-put-it-in-a-love-song-alicia-keys.jpg

Its funny, I know, but it is actually happening.

https://pajamasmedia.com/ejectejecteject/files/2009/08/presidential-seal.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/NigerianPresidentSeal.png/600px-NigerianPresidentSeal.png
https://www.irish-cream.com/usa-numbered.gif
https://africaindependence.com/images/NigeriaNumbered_STATES.png
https://website4stuff.com/images/ProudAmericanEagleSm%5B1%5D.jpghttps://www.championsfornigeria.org/cfn/images/efcc%20logo155.jpg (The bald Eagle is only found in North America)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg/600px-US-GreatSeal-Obverse.svg.pnghttps://www.riversstate.gov.ng/Portals/0/images/Government%20Images/Nigeria-Coat-Of-Arms-psd19573.png
https://hill-talk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1269210984.JPG
[img]http://4.bp..com/_bNhyYPQNIBw/ShG5KFSkPfI/AAAAAAAAA2k/fPGVOFAM4E4/s400/h.jpg[/img]
https://www.maggieandannie.com/Web/HollywoodSign2.JPG
[img]http://cityscoper.files./2009/05/nollywood-011.jpg[/img] (It's not real)
[img]http://broadcatching.files./2009/02/lasvegas1.jpg[/img]
[center][size=90pt]LAS GIDI[/size][/center]

It could have been that a whole 7 of these are coincidences, but this last one I cannot excuse.

https://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/71143/usher-dusky-complexion-man.jpg
https://www.africahit.com/news/images/articles/2009_10/7451/u1_p_square.jpg

Lol, look at someone who thinks they have sophistication. [size=18pt]Here are some white ladies to legitimise your culture for you.[/size]

https://www.silversandbox.com/osc/images/moby_moss_2.jpghttps://foxdenlane.com/store/images/EllaRoo-Wrap-Kristen.jpghttps://thebabyorchard.com/images/LaRaeRucksack002.jpghttps://www.calinbleu.com/images/baby-wraps/back-wrap-chest-knot-baby-s.jpghttps://babycarrier.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/wrap.jpghttps://lh4.ggpht.com/_51l4JcwKrKQ/S04ZQMT5z8I/AAAAAAAABss/WW6KuTC-fAU/The%20Stretchy%20Baby%20Carrier%20Hemp1174.jpg

bestestgal:
Well, Delta Igbos and the other Igbos from the east have different origins, hence the need to differentiate themselves.

Like how, what do you mean? Where do the people of Akwukwu Igbo  and Umunede originate?

bestestgal:
People tend to generalise them but there are a lot of differences even in culture and conduct.

Can you please list some difference apart from language as this is different within all nations. What will you start with, kingship? No, "Delta Igbo" 'kings' are referred to as Obi. Mannerisms? No, "Delta Igbo" serve orji on an okwa and eat yam as a staple among other things. Religion? No, "Delta Igbo" believed in Ani, Ikenga, Alusi, etc. Names? No, the Obi or "Dein" of Agbor's traditional name is Ikechuku, so please list some significant differences that cant be found in the same extremity between other Igbo groups.

bestestgal:
I am Delta Igbo myself and believe me, there are people from my tribe that would rather have their children marry from the Yoruba tribe than from the Igbo tribe.

Personally, even if this was true I'd be too embarrassed to own up  to the fact. Secondly Igbo is not a "tribe". Thirdly, may I ask if the Yoruba can tell an Ijaw from an Igbo talk less of a "Delta Igbo" from an Igbo. Last but not least, what is the name of your "tribe"?

bestestgal:
They do not see themselves as one and the same with the general Igbos and I tend to agree with them.

Who is "them"? What cultural group do they belong to, what festivals do they celebrate, what is their origin, what is their ethnic makeup if they are not one group?

bestestgal:
We are very different in many ways

In what ways? Name the ways.

bestestgal:
I do not fancy the idea of being placed in the general Igbo category

If another person from your "tribe" fancies being in the "Igbo category", what would you think of that?

bestestgal:
not that there is anything wrong with them, afterall, all tribes have their vices.

But you'd rather be Bini.

bestestgal:
But, we are proud of ourselves

Who? And how are you proud of yourselves when you'd rather associate with people who strafed your "Delta Igbo" town?

bestestgal:
we are a minority and we like to be recognised in our unique identity

Again, who is we and how many of you want your identity to be recognised as unique (unique as in an unrelated group to the Igbo)?

Umuahia, once one of the most peaceful and clean towns in Africa, is no more so apparently. There really isn't any need for any redundant "oh Nigeria" comments; sadly, most are thinking of giving up or have already have. . .

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Emmanuel Ugwu

A rash of security beef up has commenced at commercial banks in Umuahia, the capital  of Abia state, following a threat letter allegedly sent by armed robbers asking the banks to prepare to be invaded like it happened in Aba last week.
Similar letter and the subsequent armed robbery attacks on commercial banks operating in Aba caused the banks to close shops since last Wednesday thereby paralysing business activities in the commercial and industrial nerve centre of Abia state.

To avert possible armed robbery attacks, banks in Umuahia have beefed up security around their premises, even to the discomfort of their customers, who are subjected to serious security scrutiny before being allowed into the bank halls to access banking services.
In some banks, customers were not allowed to drive into the premises leaving a long queue of vehicles along the streets where such banks are located and also in the adjoining streets.

As expected, bank customers are already agonising over the extra checks they were made to undergo in order to transact businesses in their banks but opinions were divided as some said they didnít mind so long as it would guarantee security given the experience of banks in Aba.

It would be recalled that when the criminals allegedly wrote some banks in Aba informing them that they were coming for a nefarious visit the threat letters were ignored and the armed robbers eventually invaded the banks to the consternation of the affected banks that lost huge sums of money to the invading hoodlums.

There has also been noticeable influx of security men into Umuahia drawn from formations in other states. One of such detachment from Kaduna is camped at Union Primary School Afara waiting to be mobilised as at press time.
The security situation in Abia appears to have worsened following the set back suffered by the amnesty programme of the state government when the extended deadline expired on Sunday. A combined team of soldiers and policemen was said to have thrown a spanner in the works when they stormed one of the centres where repentant criminals were expected to surrender their arms and register for rehabilitation package by Abia government in collaboration with the federal government.

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