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Why 'Ghollywood'. . . ? Are people unaware of something called a Golliwog? As if 'Nollywood' wasn't bad enough.

[img]http://www.topnews.in/files/golliwog-doll.jpg[/img]

This topic doesn't even need to go any further, everybody knows the truth whether they want to accept it or not. When the situation gets the worst or gets personal is when people will start to scream at what the real problem is. Places in London with high crime rates, 'mysteriously' also have a high percentage of black residents. If some black people in London want to hold their ears and ignore the stats, the fact almost all of these people dyeing and killing are black, then that's their business.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=474149.msg6340571#msg6340571 date=1278439430]The OP is a sensationalist - this is why he came up with a headline like Violence Against Nigerian Children.
Fact is. . . . . .it cuts across race, skin colour, sex and social strata.
The fact that only crimes involving Nigerians are reported here does not mean thousands of violent crimes are not happening to the other races.

A certain Raoul Moat has been on rampage for the past three days and he's threatened to kill as many cops as possible before he dies.
He's a white dude from Newcastle - He's no Nigerian and yet he has shot 3 people already including a cop.
White Kids are violent too. Much more violent if i may add.[/quote]Black people are not more than 15% of London, White British people make up more than 80% of the country and what portion of crime do both groups take? This chart from a UK newspaper pretty much sums it up, there's no point hiding from the blatantly obvious truth that London's crime, specifically serious crimes like knife and gun crime and theft, are significantly contributed to by a minority, which is black.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/20/article-1036833-0205287B00000578-814_468x473.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1036833/Over-half-young-knife-suspects-black-Scotland-Yard-figures-reveal.html

bgees:
u must have meant to type tutoring?

No I meant what I wrote, if "banning spanking" is the reason for all this violence, then the Asians must be lashing their children, no?

bgees:
Yes I agree, asian kids tend to be more disciplined.

Because of spanking?

bgees:
Spanking should allowed. How can u not be allowed to spank your own kids?

Spanking has nothing to do with any of this violence, if so then why are white kids not slaughtering themselves in the street?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=474149.msg6340303#msg6340303 date=1278436072]It's a social thing.
Loads of Asian kids and em Caucasian kids have been murdered too on the streets of London.
It has nothing to do with the Blacks. It's a general moral decadence.[/quote]If it has nothing to do with blacks then why is there a thread on violence against Nigerian children? It has nothing to do with blacks but over 80% of these crimes involve black kids. How those that hold up?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=474149.msg6337425#msg6337425 date=1278367264]It seems you are high on grey pubes.
How do you sort your kids when the government has given em the powers to resist 'sorting'?
The kids are tutored as early as 5 to dial 911 when their parents subject em to any sorta discipline and you are here ranting Black people need to sort their kids out - what's your IQ if i may ask?[/quote]First of all who insulted you, and what was the need for that childish tone? Second of all, maybe you should ask the Asian and white community how they sort out their kids because it's obviously not them that are filling British newspapers with their dead children. Maybe they're putting their kids through some serious torturing because that's how you raise children isn't it? Till next time try and sort out your community instead of laying blame on a government that isn't holding you hostage in its country.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=474149.msg6337070#msg6337070 date=1278363348]The Government should be blamed for this. The system broke down when they decided to poke their noses into families by trying to teach parents how kids should be trained.[/quote]That is not true. Black people need to sort their kids out, that's the truth. Most of these gang members are terrified of their parents, and they probably get battered more than anyone else, still, it doesn't stop them from sneaking outside while their mother single handedly "raises" 12 other children, and then the kid goes gang banging. Add the fact that London is boring plus the attractive lifestyle of "gangster" rap and you get London 2010.

Black parents need to realise that it's not all about punishment, children need attention, guidance and love.

Kobojunkie:
Yes, Kobojunkie is to blame . . .  Kobojunkie MADE IT ALL UP and no amount of facts can make us less deluded than we are since we are tied at the umbilical to life in denial  . . . 

All you're posting is trash. I can't believe people are trying to convince others that the Abia State kidnappers are, or are even related to Niger Delta militants. Absolutely crazy how searching random news articles on the internet has come to represent the truth. The Federal Government has become a reliable and unreliable source depending on the agenda of the researcher, without any consistency.

Kidnapping particularly of prominent local Nigerians has also risen in recent weeks, including in Abia state on the fringe of the Niger Delta, where two German men were also seized by gunmen this month and held for almost a week.

Five officials from Nigeria's drug administration agency NAFDAC were kidnapped in Abia on Wednesday after visiting the family of a colleague shot dead by gunmen. Two, including a pregnant woman, were later released, but a 15 million naira ($100,000) ransom was demanded for the others, NAFDAC said.

Where in this quote does it say Abia kidnappers are Niger Delta militants? Why can't some people leave things they have no knowledge of? Let me set up a gang in Yobe now and start to kidnap claiming they didn't offer us any of the amnesty, people will start to write nonsense about how MEND is operating in Katsina.

kabukabu:
The trolls are out in full force again,the proper albiet safer way to do it is in the front,prevents back strain.

Never heard of that before. These carrier designs must be banned by now then. . . .

[img]http://terratots.files./2009/03/shopping-ergo.jpg[/img]

kabukabu:
The trolls are out in full force again,the proper albiet safer way to do it is in the front,prevents back strain.African women "back" their kids because they have so much going on in the front like washing,cooking,selling.I have never seen an American woman(black or white) carry in the back,if at all they use the front baby carrier, funny though that everyone showed pics of "white" women,when there are many different ethnic groups that live in western countries,   .My people have a long way to go to lift the burden of " white envy" from their shoulders.

The images were to legitimise the culture for you all, you know, show the white people Nigerians "envy" "civilising" the carrier.

bidemi12:
I tell a lot of my American friends that i am better than them and much much luckier. they ask me why and i tell them that i have seen both sides of two worlds with which to make comparisms first hand. Until you do you can only grope in the dark and make comments and decisions in ignorance.

You're not the only one who has lived in both cultures on Nairaland.

bidemi12:
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Come to think of it, shirt and trousers are the inventions of the white man. why not discard that and go back to tieing wrapper about to work since you look down on practicality? you've already eaten the white man's shiiit by puting it on.

How does introducing an invention (which was in 'Nigeria' before the "white man" compare to completely subtracting an element of culture that the culture you're trying to imitate is picking up?

Nobody is fleeing the southeast. Anyone fleeing has probably been planning to for months/years or is a visitor/tourist. A good number of rich easterners have left 10 years ago and it was because of the state of Nigeria itself or because of the money vats known as cities, Lagos and Abuja.

Kobojunkie:
Kidnappers and armed robbers in Abia State accept state government's amnesty offer
May 25, 2010


Less than one week after the Abia state governor, Theodore Orji, announced an amnesty offer to repentant kidnappers in Abia state, some kidnappers seem to have accepted the amnesty offer.

He met with a delegation of groups of kidnappers, led by the Commandant of the Nigeria Security and Civil Defense Corps in Abia state and a spokesperson for the kidnappers said his gang started kidnapping to protest their exclusion from the federal government's amnesty offer. He said " As oil producing communities, Owazza and Obokwe in Ukwa West LGA were neglected without hospitals, schools, good roads and other infrastructure. Now, I assure government that everything is over. We want to cooperate with government."

Governor Orji had earlier protested against the Federal Government's exclusion of Abia state from the presidential amnesty offered to militants in the Niger Delta but mentioned that the Minister in charge of the amnesty programme of the federal government has assured him that Abia State will be included in the program.

The governor said this assurance encouraged him to make the amnesty offer to repentant kidnappers in Abia state. He also said, "The disadvantages of kidnapping are enormous, because it has driven away contractors and investors from the state and Aba in particular, making development difficult,"

And speaking to the group he said, "All the arms you have packed somewhere, bring them out for the world to see so that the federal government will accept you into the amnesty programme. You cannot harbour grievance against your fatherland, it is only in the atmosphere of peace that development can take place."

A lawyer for the groups said the delegation had come to ensure that government was serious with the offer and said "In the next week, all the kidnappers will be out with their weapons, making Abia state peaceful once again."
http://www.ngex.com/news/public/newsinfo.php?nid=8913

What, now the kidnappers in Abia are demanding good roads and hospitals? Funny how "Niger Delta militants" motives aren't questioned now. What a joke.

As I said before, The situation in Abia has little to nothing to do with the situation in the Niger Delta. You have no clue what your talking about so I suggest you leave it.

SSaemoenl:
Doing what, ? maybe in your area. I still stand on my word, that we have to eradicate that ugly system, by using clean material in the hse not in the public.

And 2morrow you will inform us that carrying loads on your head is as well our culture, where as we dont want to embrace a new life. Change is what we are in!

That's your opinion. No mother is going stop doing anything for you, so go on with your whitewash.

Kobojunkie:
While you are spewing your FACTS there, you might want to UPDATE yourself on the situation in Aba and how it is connected to this. The kidnappers in Abia are remnants of the groups that have terrorized oil areas, b but where somehow left behind during the negotiations. This is why the Government of Abia is working on getting them THEIR OWN SHARE of the BOOTY( Naira 6500(0) monthly stipend and other benefits, offered factions in other states in the region).

The situation in the Niger Delta has little to nothing to do with the situation in Abia State.

maedan:
I never said it should be thrown away ooo, nor is it against the law. Have you seen the music video of Kelis, Acapella?? She backed her child all through the video . It is a tradition that is healthy and great for the baby and mother, I just don't get the idea of doing it on the street like a Nigerian market woman . Even back home most enlightened ladies don't back their babies on top their suit or jeans - it's common among the less privileged. But you can bet that around the house, even Adenuga's (Globacom) wife is backing their latest baby on her back when the need arises!! But in abroad, no one is stopping you from backing your baby, it's just not quite the thing, y'know. But it's a matter of choice, and we all know there is plenty freedom of choice IN THE ABROAD Lol, @ ezeagu u sef u funny .

As you said, it's all a matter of freedom of choice. I never heard about it being not quite the thing to do though, because I clearly see baby carriers on sale and from the earlier pictures Westerners are now doing the same.

Abagworo:
the cause of abias crisis is neither orji nor orji but the soul of thousands of innocent people killed during the bakassi era between 1998 and 2002.because aba is a less important town,people might not be aware that more than 30000 people were murdered in cold blood by bakassi.the militants of today were those 10 year old kids that gathered around to watch bakassi slaughter people.a sizeable number of them were also invoved in niger delta militancy.

This is trash. . .

Abagworo:
are nairalanders aware that 80% of pipeline sabotage in nigeria was done in aba axis alone?80% of kidnappings and robberies(mostly unreported occur in thesame zone).i normally went for shopping in aba but is yet to step into aba since 2008 because of security.i rather pay high price in port harcourt.

And even more trash. If someone knew nothing about Nigeria they would say MEND are based in Abia if they base their knowledge of Nigeria off this post. How can Abia have 80% of Nigeria's kidnappings and robberies when Lagos has more than 15 million people, was this even meant to be a joke?

maedan:
What has my point got to do with a medical fact?? You say that if the baby is well fastened there's nothing to worry about. Of course. In the safety of the home or in a contained area, I would agree with you. But whether home or in abroad , I suggest that women be more worried about "backing" their kids. Okay, in Nigeria the pram thing is not so common (imagine pushing your baby trolley into a danfo bus ) But many Nigerian women in foreign countries have taken the safe route of pushing your baby round in a stroller/buggy, not because they feel they must be "among" or be westernised. It's just the thing to do. Millions of kids in abroad that were never backed in their lives grow up healthy, so what do you mean by medical fact, sef . Our mothers backed us, yes, but is it every culture we must cling to, especially when we are in abroad ??

Kids aren't dying from it, why should it be thrown away if it is comfortable to the mother? Is it against the law? No, it is not, and we can see fathers carrying their babies on their shoulders in every Western country. Let's just be honest, if it was a tradition that the British brought to Africa we would be typing about how it is the "thing to do". You don't have to have a buggy, it's your child, you can carry them however you want as long as it is safe. Nigerian women are carrying their children on their backs in front of Western police and they are saying nothing, who is anyone else to say anything when the establishment, including doctors, are saying nothing. . . . in the abroad?

Okay, let's end this with something from the very reliable Federal Government of Nigeria:

NIGERIA MULTIPLE INDICATOR CLUSTER SURVEY

. . . Nigeria has one of the most ethnically-diverse populations in the world, with more than 380 distinct ethnic groups. The major ethnic groups include (in alphabetical order) the Edo, Efik, Fulani, Hausa, Igbo, Ijaw, Kanuri, Tiv, Urhobo and Yoruba.

. . . Metadata Produced By
NBS - National Bureau of Statistics - Federal Government of Nigeria (FGN) - (Metadata Producer)

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/nbsapps/nada/survey.php?id=36

maedan:
Abegii . Let's be real here: it is safer and more decent to take your baby out in a "pram" than tied to your back, I'm talking in public here. Going shopping in the UK with the baby on her back! Wow!! I would understand women who do it out of necessity, maybe they left the house unexpectedly with the child and had to "back" him/her. But the safest place to "tie" the child is in the home where you can be sure of your environment and surroundings, while still enjoy the closeness and warmth backing your baby gives you - and the baby itself as well.

Yeah well, this is an opinion not medical fact. If the baby is well fastened and secured there's nothing to worry about millions of Nigerian women run up and down from the stream, bustle through busy markets with uneven streets and cross lawless roads with their baby's tied firmly to their backs. Millions of Nigerian babies aren't dyeing form Backing. There's a difference between plain embarrassment/a want to fit in than there is too proven medical science. I can assure you if this was a Celtic tradition no one will make an issue about "safety".

006:
If you can't answer the question, then move on.

You've ran out of steam already?

It's not my problem if you can't understand:

ezeagu:
To answer your question if the Ijebu are not bound together by language or culture to the Yoruba, yes they can be different, and yes they are different.

Maybe next time try and ask a question you will understand the answer to.

006:
So if there is a problem between the Ijebu and the rest of the Yoruba ethnic group and the Ijebus quit any meeting, conferences, etc involving Yorubas and declare an Ijebu ethnic group separate from Yoruba.
You as an administrator in charge of national data in Nigeria, would you grant their request?

Whether a government recognises a group as separate or not, what difference does it make to the 250 ethnic groups in Nigeria? You looked at a simple map similar to this, do you know what that means? It means those government maps are detail-less general map, the same way you would have a general overview of a countries geography. If you want to go by your beloved Nigerian governments maps as an absolutely accurate source, then Port Harcourt must be 100% Ijaw otherwise anything else you say is hypocrisy.  Let's not even talk about Abia and Ebonyi.

Your problem is that you entered into an argument without even reading the post you were replying to properly, you had an agenda rattling inside your brain and you pounced at anything that looked like it would threaten it. What will denying the small ethnic groups in Nigeria exist do to getting your independent state, you're succeeding in turning people off, hard! I guess less ethnic groups will make Nigeria's break up 'cleaner' and less inconsiderate and selfish right? We won't have to worry about smaller ethnic groups being grouped with larger ones that are going to dominate them in any new country right? right. . . .

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Here's my original post, this time read it well and next time read people's posts well, because someone may actually agree with you, but you must understand that there's such a thing as being neutral and analytical, and just overall realistic, if you can't do this, then hey, join the club of 90% of people on Nairaland:

ezeagu:
Ishan is a major ethnic group and it is missing from this list, which means there are other ethnic groups missing from this list. Ethnic groups in Nigeria may actually be 250+, that being said, the relationship and similarities between these groups is not indicated. What I'm trying to say is that not all groups in Nigeria have come together under a larger body to form an ethnicity. The Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani could have easily had their divisions down to the towns represented as separate ethnic groups and they would have been able to defend their uniqueness because it exists, in fact some of those divisons are already listed as separate ethnic groups on that larger list. I don't believe there are hundreds of 'microscopic' tribes with completely different languages though.

Let's look at the list of 250+ ethnic groups for an example for some possible relations:

49   Bilei   Adamawa  
50   Bille   Adamawa  

I don't know if this is a spelling mistake that made one group seem like two (similar to Igbo, Ibo) but these two groups names are too similar to be completely different, especially as they are in the same location.

Eket, Ekoi, Ibibio, Annang, Oron, Efik, Ejagham are an ethnic group, similar language and do not have any other variety apart from some parts of culture. Oron is a town and so is Eket.

Ukwuani: 8 states are indicated as Igbo/partially Igbo which cover Ika, Ikwerre, Ogba, etc, yet Ukwuani is on the list as separate. The list is not trustworthy.

350   Waka   Taraba: Some of these ethnic groups are even insulting the reader.

006:
Thank you.

I know ezeagu would dodge the question; he knows how ridiculous it will sound if he says “yes”. If he says “No”, then all his argument would be invalid.
This validates my earlier assertion that he’s grasping at straws.

I'm trying to figure out if you can read at all, or if I typed a different language by mistake. How is your question crucial to the argument?

onc4all:
My colleague married outside Igbo land and she has warned me never to marry outside my tribe, She is speaking out of experience.


Inter tribal marriage is not for me, NEVER.

Is it that serious?

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Anyway "inter-tribal" (I don't even agree with the name sef) marriages aren't going to be encouraged by anyone any time. You know this Nigerians so why do you like lying to yourself?

ChinenyeN:
I hear that Nri people tend to be lighter in comparison to some other groups (but I wouldn't know, because I don't really know any Nri people), and then there's this: http://www.nrikingdom.org/History.aspx . . . not quite sure what to make of it, myself.

Nri people? Aren't you from around the Imo River?

ChinenyeN:
I don't understand why you're targeting me like this, when we're supposed to be here discussing arguments for/against those lists of ethnic groups. Are you no longer capable of further supporting your overly stretched assertion?

ChinenyeN, I'll ask you then: If the Idoma and Igbo decided they were "bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture" would you reject an Idoma as a member of your ethnic group?

Dalby:
It integrates the country more

Nah it doesn't. Not in Africa.

Here's my own question: If the Idoma and Igbo decided they were "bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture" would you reject an Idoma as a member of your ethnic group?

006:
So if there is a problem between the Ijebu and the rest of the Yoruba ethnic group and the Ijebus quit any meeting, conferences, etc involving Yorubas and declare an Ijebu ethnic group separate from Yoruba.
You as an administrator in charge of national data in Nigeria, would you grant their request?



_{Sometimes it's good to use questions to ascertain how someone views the world.}

Did you know that everyone (except the Khoisan) west of Agbor and south of the Central African Republic were once one ethnic group not too long ago? What does an ethnic group mean Britannica?

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a social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/194248/ethnic-group
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So if an ethnic group is a social group, if a group is divided socially how are they an ethnic group? To answer your question if the Ijebu are not bound together by language or culture to the Yoruba, yes they can be different, and yes they are different.

006:
^^^

Are you arguing or are you antagonizing?

Move on mister! I don't have the time for someone that's grasping at straws. It's me that'll define what “socio-political” mean for you and you said you're not dumb?

How am I grasping at straws when I wasn't the one that believed a source that said there are 500,000 people in Aba and 3,000,000 in Kano? How am I grasping at straws when I wasn't the one that said that the Ishan are Edo? You mean asking you what socio-political is is grasping at straws even when it was your example to me? Well tell me, if a group of people are divided socially and politically, what is left to call them an ethnic group, especially if their divided socially?!

006:
Let me use Isoko that you know very well to illustrate my point. Below are posts on NL by an Isoko man who lives in England and is untainted by the socio-political division going on in his ethnic group, Urhobo.

What is this supposed to do with the argument, what does a 'social-political divison' mean and what does that poster mean by "the first Bible translation was In Isoko before Uhrobo", does that not mean that the two languages are different?

006:
Don’t mind some of those zombies in the Western Igbo territories, when their “Obi” tells them that they are no longer “Bini” they are now “Igala”, they will sheepishly follow him; even to the hell they will go, no rationale, no independence of mind.

They're sheepish because they don't agree with the identity you prescribed them? Who are you to tell them who they are, and most of all who are you to tell them they are stupid for their stance? What does putting Obi in quotations marks mean? Is all this in the bid to make a stronger argument for independent ethnic states? Are you forcing the people on the west to be Igbo so that Igboland will have spare land or have a larger population? If the answer to both is yes, know this: the tiny ethnic groups in Nigeria will not disappear just because you ignore them.