₦airaland Forum

babapupa:
Try use your head small. The government is of course involved in a lot of areas from rules and regulation s to codes and standards, but knowing exactly where you're going, no, Lagos tax payers money is not building Eko Atlantic.

Onlytruth:
Absolutely unnecessary fear mongering. Who told you that Alaigbo is already too crowded? Have you really driven around Igboland? Land plenty well well. Our brothers in the coastal areas are always welcome to settle with us if it gets to that stage. 

No shaking at all. 

Kobojunkie:
so?

Kobojunkie:
Further inland? All areas below sea will likely be affected  . . . maybe those up in Okigwe, some of those up in Uturu, Isikwuato maybe spared but the rest of Abia and Imo, will probably be some of those first hit

oyb:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10205321


In pictures: Nigerian fishing community


yet another racist article from the bbc  

Princek12:
What is wrong about the city? Nobody is silly to discount the other problems that affect Lagos, but the existence of problems in other areas should not preclude the advancement of development in other areas, especially when that advancement is funded by private parties. Governor Fashola has shown that he can tackle all these problems concurrently, and any reasonable leader (like Fashola) knows that nothing will get done if you want to wait to solve all of Lagos's problems before embarking on unprecedented projects like this. Only people with village mentality will reject a promising private investment in his state because of other problems in his state.

Princek12:
You are darn right, most of the critics are largely from the east, and they rarely have nothing good to say about Lagos. I have not met one easterner who has said something good about Fashola; inasmuch as you try to hide it, the jealousy undertones are evident, and don't think you can fool any of us by saying you are not jealous. Why don't you talk about your village if you are not that jealous. And if Lagos is one of the biggest slums on earth, why don't you mind your business and ignore it. And since we don't have a clue about what is going on, why don't you  enlighten us, Mr. lecturer?  As for me, I will not question any private developments in Umuahia!

Princek12:
Bottom line is that people who are haters--i.e., many people from the east, among others, will always criticize Lagos no matter what we do, probably because their own leaders are busy embezzling money instead of focusing on developing their land.

Princek12:
This jealousy of Lagos is palpable. If Eko Atlantic is privately funded, a private investor's preference to invest resources in Lagos is nobody's business, as long as you are not injured by any developments that emanated from the investment.

debosky:
If that is the case for Japan, kindly explain the reasons why Toronto and New York spread into the sea, despite being in countries with some of the largest landmasses on the globe. Lack of space on a national level is not always the driving force for reclamation.

That you are philosophically opposed to the reclamation is not the same as arguing that there is no business case/economic analysis that makes it a viable investment.

dlox01:
i really have to admit, Paddy_lo is very brilliant. hez got this argument spot on,rarely do you see that on NL.  ezeagu is really just trying to post comments the way it going.
if an alternative is not built before 2025,where do you want the magnitude of people to stay by the time we are the 3rd largest/most populous state?or do u think building such a project is 2 or three years?what is happening now is futuristic and you are stuck in the past. building this dosnt stop the government from refublishing,building and maintaining what is already available coz its a private initiative. MM2 is an example, did it stop FG from maintaining MMA(airport)??no!!!

joeyfire:
The Eko Atlantic City Project is an ostentatious, real estate wankfest designed to make money for the ''owners'' of lagos and their foreign partners or whoever is providing funding for it. This project is line with this lagos state government's drive to make lagos bonafide eye candy without creating jobs (lastma\lawma etc aside) , affordable housing and other basic amenities that exist in mega cities that they are trying to ape. Instead of a friggin city in the sea why didnt that bespectacled midget (tinubu) and his lanky sidekick put a deal together to build decent medium income apartments at ikorodu, epe or wherever the state owns hectares of land.

Ikengawo:
none of those retarded movies are made in the same fashion as hollywood movies where as a south african film is the exact same thing is an american film with a different location.


if you look at those movies will say "this is nigerian" without someone telling you, but if you look at district 9 it could have been hollywood or south africa.

the same way you can look at ghollywood and not know if it's from ghana or nigeria until someone specifies.
get it?

Failed state index 2010
. . .
1-3. Legacy of Vengeance-Seeking Group Grievance or Group Paranoia

[Worst to better]

Sudan
Chad
Sri Lanka
Somalia
Nigeria
Iraq
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Israel

http://www.fundforpeace.org/web/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=140

[size=15pt]Nigeria wins World Cup hate trophy[/size]

June 26 2010

A flood of death threats were issued against Nigerian player Sani Kaita following his costly red card against Greece in their World Cup match.

Why had Kaita behaved so irresponsibly, lashed out at a Greek player and got himself sent off?

Readers of the popular kickoffnigeria.com website had an answer. It was because of his tribe, they argued. Kaita is a member of the pastoralist Fulani ethnic community mostly found in the north of Nigeria.

The readers in their online postings argued that football is too serious a matter to be left to Fulanis. One guy who identified himself as Olosi wrote: “I think it’s high time we broke this useless country called Nigeria up into pieces. Let these good-for-nothing mallams (cattle rearers) go and live with their poverty-stricken brethren in Niger and Chad! Kaita, you are as good as dead!”

Another one thundered: “Keep apology to yourself. You are a bad omen and never a professional. I advise you to go back to your mallam business of cow rearing. IDIOT”.

There was more to come from one ‘Chuks’: “This [size=15pt]aboki[/size] should be expelled from the Eagles hotel and hand him stick to go and rear cows. I hope no idiot in that NFF (Nigerian Football Federation) will ever mention his name in Eagles again in life. Such irresponsible and unprofessional act should not be condoned any more … God save us with [size=15pt]all these abokis in our midst[/size].”

Why is it that Africans tend to recoil into the tribe every time there is a contentious issue in society? There is little doubt that excessive concentration on ethnicity is one of the most important factors holding back development in Africa. It certainly was one of the main reasons why we took up pangas after the 2007 elections.

A number of theories have been advanced to explain why some individuals tend to embrace ethnicity more than others. It may be a reaction to personal inadequacies with the collective whole being seen as a refuge from individual failings. Those are the ones that will argue that they are likely to enjoy economic success, say, or are generally honest because they are Kikuyu or Luo.

State failure is another of the most powerful reasons. This is the argument advanced in a new book by Gary Younge, a journalist for the UK’s Guardian newspaper.

Younge argues in Who are We and Should It Matter in the 21st Century that many people around the world are retreating into personal identities such as tribe or religion to seek security against a state which they view as indifferent to their lives. That is certainly true of countries such as Kenya and Nigeria. Very often, your chances of landing a job will be improved if you have a strategically placed tribesman in an organisation. The tribe therefore replaces the state as a source of patronage and security.

I disagree with Koigi Wamwere that the new constitution will worsen matters. It might be one of the biggest tools in the fight against what Mr Wamwere calls negative ethnicity. By devolving funds to counties, it will make the centre less powerful and, as a consequence, the presidency will progressively become less attractive. It will not be a matter of life and death to get your tribesman into State House because there is a constitutional guarantee that 15 per cent of the total tax collection will find its way to the grassroots.

In fact, the most intense competitions in the future will be within ethnic groups as they compete for powerful positions such as county governor. Yet another reason not to give the proposed constitution a red card.
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Nigeria%20wins%20World%20Cup%20hate%20trophy/-/440808/947040/-/a2gqet/-/

Ikengawo:
When im around real nigerians, the issue almost NEVER comes up

Beaf:
If tribalism only exists on NL. I wonder what to call the killing of women and babies in Jos? Friendship?

Ikengawo:
but im not talking about tribalism mixed with politics, and other african nations

im talking about NAIRALAND.com

i have been to many nigerian forums, this one is the height. it doesn't hold a monopoly, which is not what im saying, but it's dominating the industry in tribalism.

Ikengawo:
any nation with nigeria's level of diversity will have these issues, but almost all of them aren't 'tribal' for the sake of being 'tribal',

Ikengawo:
MEND was formed to protect people getting exploited by oil companies from getting exploited. If these ppl happen to be Ijaw then so be it but it wasn't born to wage war for the ijaw people, it was born to protect people that didn't have protection.

Ikengawo:
Biafra was a tribal war, and was probably the last tribal war since. It was a fight about tribe for the sake of tribe. Clashes here and there over land were one person and his allies happen to be from one tribe vs.  another are not tribal in reality, they're economic at most.

Ikengawo:
the 500 people that died were not sent by their respect tribes to go and fight like in say biafra. the leadership of their tribes didn't instigate the fighting, didn't support it, didn't sponsor it, and there were more people within the respective tribes AGAINST the action then for it.


i have fulani friends and i never for a day felt they were a part of the jos massacre, they were as against it as my igbo family and yoruba friends, so where does it become tribe?

Ikengawo:
In the US they have gang wars. gangs are also decided a lot of the times on race. A black gang fighting a white gang isn't considered a racial war or battle. It's a gang fight. Illiterate unemployed youths attacking each other.

Ikengawo:
in nigeria when this happens, illiterate unemployed youths attacking each other, we start saying the ENTIRE fulani tribe is fighting the ENTIRE igbo tribe when 98% of both tribes are against such stupidity.

snowdrops:
@ poster

initially i dint want to bother with you or similarly daft threads, hence my one line response which i thought a discerning mind with decipher.

But as expected you failed to see the analogy, and pitifully tried to defend you stance that NL is fixated with tribe.

Every human being has a fundamental basic instinct which is self preservation. People want to identify with a group, they long to belong to one, which they share external and internal attributes with. External hence identify with a race ie colour or to take it further and in Nigeria's` and other Africans` nations case tribe.

Taking issues deeper, there remain a significant and vocal minority that strives to stretch the issue of association with a group even further by asserting that their group is superior to other group which they believe are fundamentally deficient. These people may go the extra length to defend their group and/or prove their point. Vocally, physically etc.

Hence the principles of racism and tribalism are a metaphor.

And don't spread any nonsense here that tribalism is in some way restricted to Nairaland. And FALSE other Nigerian forums have the odd persons that spew tribalistic nonsense. This is a reflection of the society at large.

I hope i have made myself clear this time around, as poster and his ilk seem to value verbose responses before they see reason.

Ikengawo:
i hope you're not trying to say nollywood movies are made the same way hollywood ones are

cause if i look at a nollywood movie and look at a hollywood movie i can see a greater difference then if i look at a south african movie and look at a hollywood movie
and clearly all of africa prefers seeing the nollywood style whether we americanized nigerians/southafricans like it or not.

Abagworo:
Police arrest 41 kidnap suspects, recover N4m ransom
From Ezedike Joshua, Port Harcourt
Monday, July 05, 2010


Gov. Amaechi
Photo: Sun News Publishing
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No fewer than 41 kidnap suspects have been arrested by the Rivers State Police Command during the last six months. Also, 138 suspected cultists and 45 pipeline vandals were rounded up and charged to court.
The Commissioner of Police, Mr Suleiman Abba, who gave the figures while briefing reporters in Port Harcourt, said the command had worked tirelessly to reduce the spate of crime in the state.

He decried the infiltration of criminals from the neighbouring Abia State. He noted that over 90 per cent of the crimes in Oyigbo, Etche and Eberi Omuma areas of the state were committed by suspects from Abia State.

“Almost 90 per cent of the crimes committed in Eberi Omuma, Etche, Oyigbo and Afam are coming from Abia State. I must tell you we’re living up to the challenges. In the last two months, no less than 20 hardened Abia based criminals have been arrested by the command,” he said.

He alleged that the suspects had been handed over to Abia State Police Command for prosecution.
The Commissioner, who pledged his commitment to reduce the crime rate in the state by improving on the response time to distress calls, urged the public to co-operate with the command by giving meaningful information that would lead to the arrest of suspected criminals in the state.

Speaking on the major challenges of the command, he urged the public to be confident in the police, especially when giving useful information. The commissioner said the attitude of his men towards work had been of great challenge, urging them to shun corruption. He said he had not been threatened or influenced by any VIP in the state and pledged to perform better with the help of the state government and the public.
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2010/july/05/national-05-07-2010-002.htm

Ikengawo:
south africans listen to american music and watch american movies because their own music and movies are watered down versions of western works.

I guess this is an alternate to Abuja, where the rich can escape the millions of poverty stricken citizens, and keep them out of sight, invite their foreign friends there and show them "the real Nigeria".