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aresa:
Oluyole industrial estate is dead, but the worlds largest consumer product manufacturers aka Procter And Gamble built a factory in the same Oluyole Industrial...

http://www.pg.com/en_NG/contact_us.shtml


I tell you, these empty and shallow chest beaters are comedians..

Still not the first industry in Nigeria.

Man.

aresa:
Igbos Lying And Its Negative Consequences For Them.






It's really a good thing that we know you people, your lies and empty and shallow chest beating......



lmao....

How does this post change the fact that the palm oil industry started off Nigeria?

Twistaray:
Could you please back you h9me made stats with facts?

Ehen I want burst another bubble tonight

Oya firebmake i see jade

Oneluvfuu o

Bust this bubble

[img]http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/nigeria_gas_1979.jpg[/img]

Nigerias exports
https://s23.postimg.org/3pwg1aza3/Nigeria_Product_Export_Treemap.jpg

WIZGUY69:
i don't know.
which is the first industrial ESTATE! (not industries)?

This is the nonsense I'm talking about.

veraponpo:
Why do people in the east like to lie, Igbo especially?

You mentioned industrialization in the 1880s? . When your first set of educated people came to Lagos an Ogun state to school? When your first know graduate was Azikwe that graduated in 1930s?

Very laughable. You need history book. Do you know that a Yoruba man was among people that taught your forefathers how to write in Igbo ? And opened education forum through the missionary?

Please read about Bishop Ajayi Crowther from Osoogun in Oyo state.

When the Ekumeku movement was going on, where was everyone else?

Ajayi Crowther was a repatriated slave from Sierra Leone. I'm sure you know of many slaves who are more popular than him. Yes, the palm oil industry was the main reason why Nigeria started.

Maybe you should read on your own history:

https://books.google.com/books?id=JXwPQKyE_YwC

And it's biggest promoters aren't even from Eastern Nigeria like the OP.

Twistaray:
Next question, what is the contribution of SE to the nation's economy?

The base of the entire economy, oil and importation.

WIZGUY69:
So Oluyole industrial estate is dead? the industries in Ikeja etc are dead?
Seems you don't know the difference between industrial estates & markets.
just keep rewriting history to suit yourself, it's a free world buddy

Does aren't the first industries in Nigeria are they?

I guess she's the editor for Africa.

By Ludovica Iaccino

The leader of a separatist movement that calls for the independence of Biafra from Nigeria has been released on bail, Nigeria's state security service (DSS) told IBTimes UK. Nnamdi Kanu was apprehended by the DSS in Lagos after he had flown from the UK, where he lives, earlier in October.

Kanu is considered the leader of Indigenous People of Biafra (Ipob) and is the director of the London-based radio station Radio Biafra, which the Nigerian government has deemed illegal. Ipob and other groups advocate for the independence of the Biafran territories, which separated from Nigeria in 1967 and were re-annexed to the African nation in 1970 following a civil war that killed between one and three million people.

When contacted by IBTimes UK on 21 October, a spokesperson for the DSS said: "Yes, [Kanu] is free, he is on bail". The spokesperson refused to give further details on the bail and on Kanu's whereabouts. The Vanguard newspaper featured an interview with Kanu's lawyer, Egechukwu Obetta, who claimed the Ipob leader had been granted bail for the sum of 2 million Naira (£6,500).

However, Ipob members and supporters of the Biafra cause claimed that Kanu had not been released, with some suggesting he is being tortured by authorities. IBTimes UK was not able to independently verify the allegations of torture. Media sources supporting the break-up from Nigeria called the bail "controversial" and claimed the DSS announced the bail only "to calm the angry people of Biafra".

In the middle of the Twitter storm following Kanu's arrest, some people spoke out against him, claiming he is "a fraudster" that uses the Biafra cause for his own interests. Some also accused Radio Biafra of promoting hate speech against those who do not support the independence of Biafra or belong to ethnic groups other than Igbo, the biggest ethnic group in the Biafran territories.

In an interview with IBTimes UK, David Otto, CEO of UK-based global security provider TGS Intelligence Consultants, said Kanu might have been arrested in relation to his role in the activities of Radio Biafra, which the Nigerian government has made illegal. The government claimed in July that the National Broadcasting Commission (NBC) had managed to jam its signal.

Kanu's arrest triggered protests, mainly attended by women, in several states in Nigeria. It is believed that traffic was disrupted in Porth Harcourt, Rivers State, during protests, which also occurred in Anambra and Delta states.

Some protester accused the police of shooting on the women who were calling for Kanu's release. This is not the first time that pro-Biafrans have accused authorities of being violent. The police denied the claims, while rights group Amnesty International said in an exclusive report to IBTimes UK that there is "credible evidence that pro-Biafran separatists in Nigeria are targeted by police".

In recent months, Nigerian police have been cracking down on pro-Biafrans amid allegations they are hosting violent protests and after the inspector general of police, Solomon E Arase, released a statement urging authorities to clamp down on people who behaved violently across the country.

A perceived increase in pro-Biafran activities was also confirmed by Anambra State commissioner of police Hassan Karma during another interview with IBTimes UK. He said: "It is people taking laws into their hands and it's the same situation that generated Boko Haram today in the north east. People started like this, even in Niger Delta, where militants started kidnapping people for extortion."

Otto warned that pro-Biafrans might turn into a violent movement if they join forces with Niger Delta militants. In an exclusive interview with IBTimes UK he said that there are fears that the pro-Biafran movement is "gearing up to seek for a secession".
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nnamdi-kanu-ipob-leader-whereabouts-unknown-despite-nigeria-security-forces-claiming-he-bail-1525032

WIZGUY69:
oga! you have no point at all, if you don't know an answer to a question, eat the humble pie and watch from a distance. stop beating around the bush. it's irritating.

Look, I don't care about a radio station that doesn't exist today. I want to discuss innovations, not second hand equipment dashed to the Lagos office in the 50s. Eastern Nigeria was going through some industrialisation during the 1880s to 1900 which is why Calabar was the first capital. The palm industry is what started Nigeria and the trade was made by several ethnic groups in eastern Nigeria. The first anti-colonial movement, the Ekumeku movement, was initiated by Anioma-Igbo people. The biggest market of colonial Africa, Onitsha Main Market, still thrives today and now shares that title with Kumasi. I can't be bothered talking about industries that are completely dead today.

Old news? I don't support Biafra though, I support Alaigbo. (But why always this same woman?)

aresa:
Get over yourself and quit confusing yourself

I asked you why the SE didn't score any Firsts In Nigeria within the same regional era, not irrelevant stories and excuses.


The industrial estates created by the old western region created more jobs than the Nigerian oil industry many time over so what's your point?

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Rubbish, I'm not interested in your side worries, we are talking about firsts in nigeria and afrca.

lol @ postcard? You are a comedian afterall..

You asked about relevant development which I gave you. The reason why some of these firsts are irrelevant in this discussion is because development was based around Lagos so technology was brought and tested through there first as the colonial administrative center and then quickly moved about Nigeria, especially eastern Nigeria, and many of these firsts were brought about by a combination of people from all over Nigeria like Vincent Maduka of Western Nigeria Television. It's like Liberia or Sierra Leone bragging about first black this or that. I would be more comfortable talking about 'firsts' or more like innovations before Britain brought their technology, anything other than that is bragging about being colonised because all these first ended when they left which is why cocoa house is in ruin. That's my point. It's not a big deal the the first industrial part of Nigeria was in eastern Nigeria. For example the first railway line in Nigeria was built in the western region in Lagos.

aresa:
1. I asked you why the SE didn't score any Firsts In Nigeria within the same regional era, not irrelevant stories and excuses.

2. The industrial estates created by Awolowo are still powering the Nigerian economy so are any of the irrelevant stuff you just listed still in existence or relevant? No.

3. I made a claim that the old western region achieved a lot and many firsts in Nigeria and Africa, but you dance around with all kinds of rubbish about british supervision, british framework. So, for argument sake, while the SW was benefiting immensely from your so called british framework and supervision, what happened to the folks in SE?

Were they allergic to the to the wonderful supervision, too lazy and incompetent to learn and put the framework and supervision to good use?


I know the usual ibo tribalism is what's driving your meaningless and unintelligent babbles, but either way, you are not making any sense...

1. No you didn't, you said "any reason why your SE was unable to achieve anything meaningful within the same regional era", I could talk about the first. Also Lagos was the administrative capital from 1906.

2. None of the stuff anybody built is empowering anything. Crude oil is the only relevant industry in Nigeria and everybody knows that.

3. The South east folk, as I said, were busy running the biggest markets in Africa and being put in administrative positions throughout Nigeria. The British encouraged education and allowed many missionaries into eastern Nigeria which made them very competitive in western education.

https://images-00.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/253/828/073_001.jpg

aresa:
In british Nigeria, in Roman Nigeria, in Yugoslavia nigeria, it makes no difference to me, your yes is good enough for me...

So, any reason why your SE was unable to achieve anything meaningful within the same regional era?

Eastern Nigeria had the biggest markets in Africa and eastern Nigerians were in top positions across Nigeria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHDaHlTaHJw

It was because of the palm oil trade that this country started in the first place. Eastern Nigerian oil was the prized commodity. Much development across eastern Nigeria. We can go before British Nigeria if you want, because bragging over achievements in slavery is pointless, apart from say independence movements, which was sparked by events such as the Iva Valley shooting of 1949 and which came from the examples led by the Ekukumku of Anioma-Igbo and the Women's war.

aresa:
The highlighted sounds good enough. Forget the rest of your meaningless and irrelevant rubbish that has nothing to do with my claim.





Just up there you agreed with my claim and even said that's no excuse, but here you still managed to come up with boat load of excuses and more irrelevant garbage.


DId the western region led by Awolowo built the very firsts in Nigeria and africa without oil money.

Yes Or No.

Be a man and just answer yes or not.

In British Nigeria, yes.

modath:
I will definitely follow up with that oyibo historian's site for clarification..

&

As for asaba, it is. Boldly spelt that Asaba has its historical roots in both anambra& kogi..

Let's agree to disagree & keep it moving.

Thank you...

I never said anything about 20 years old states, what the Asaba history site said was "Ibos of Asaba" and "Iboland", so there's nothing to disagree. If we want to go the route of using a single line to determine ethnic groups, we can use the disputes of several ethnic groups about their origin to make them of several origin.

aresa:
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1. Do we still have regional administration?

2. What about the other regions? Were they allergic to british supervisions which prevented them from accomplishing the same Firsts In Nigeria and Africa?

You are not making any sense and you really need to quit these silly and 2 year old questions.

1. No, but that's not an excuse.

2. Other regions were busy having the largest markets in Africa, being the best at agriculture, or simply filing the upper ranks of the military and civil service.

There is no excuse why another Cocoa house wasn't built, apart from the missing presence of the British. I'm not saying you can't do it on your own, I'm saying that that was the situation.

modath:
Ezeagu,

I made two observation;

1. That Onitsha view is dead similar to one of old oyingbo i saw some where, wish I can dig it out.., I remember that mobilgas insignia on that red bus .....


2. How come everyone at ogbuete market being a multicultural market is dressed like a yourba person?? Where are the other tribes or everyone used to dress alike

& why are you intent on claiming asaba??, it is part of the old bendel


*time to do some digging*..

This is the man that took the picture of Onitsha and put it on his blog.

https://amightytree.org/wp-content/assets/Dick-jan-61.jpg

http://amightytree.org/about/

Maybe you should start by emailing him and asking if he was mistaken.

Yoruba people comprised the largest immigrants in Igboland before 1967 it seems.

Asaba is Igboland.

Geographically, nothing seems to connect the Igalas in Kogi State with the Ibos of Asaba in Delta State and the Ibos of Nteje in Anambra State, except perhaps networks of inter-state and inter-city roads. But historically and biologically, something connects them. What we know today as Asaba has its historical roots in both Kogi and Anambra State.

A woman named Diaba from Agbakuba village in Nteje, Anambra State, was said to have been impregnated by Onojobo, a prince and trader from Igala land, while she was residing in Eze Anyanwu’s court as one of the court girls.

Anyanwu was said to have hailed from the royal line of Ezechima, the legendary ancestor of numerous settlements east of the Niger, including Onitsha. This explains why Benin, Asaba and Onitsha seem to share a common culture and tradition as in the area of festival regalia like traditional coral beads and hand-woven big flowing white gowns and traditional titles such as the Onowu Iyasele of Onitsha and the Iyase Onowu of Asaba.

The Igala connection
Going back to the Diaba story, after she was impregnated by Onojobo, she was delivered of a male child called Nnebisi, a name which some Asaba sources interpret as “mother is supreme”, same as “Nneka”, in some parts of Iboland, but which Chief Patrick Isioma Goodluck Onyeobi, the Iyase of Asaba, disagrees with and rather claims to be a shortened form of ka anyi nebe isi nke a (let’s watch and see what this one becomes in future). Sunday Sun believes that Onyeobi’s interpretation is nearer to the truth as the names “Nnebisi” or “Nneka” are usually names reserved for female children in Ibo land.

Again you can email the Asaba people who run this website if you believe they got their own history wrong:
http://asaba.com/asaba-a-long-history-and-tradition/

IBB for next dictator president after the current one.

aresa:
lmao.....


What framework?


1. The framework that whispered into Awo's head to build all these Firsts in Nigeria?

2. Were the other regions specifically the SE allergic to this wonderful british framework which made it impossible for them to build their own firsts in Nigeria and Africa?

3. So, Awolowo built Ikeja, Mushin, Apapa, Ilupeju and Matori industrial estates and put the british in charge to to run them? Is this dude for real?

4. The british also was in charge of cocoa house, liberty stadium and so on...right?

5. Odua group of companies nko? The british were in charge too and even still in charge since the companies are still thriving in the SW today as we speak..


Dude, I need to slap myself for wasting my time going back n forth with you... At least try pretend that you are really not shallow and unintelligent..

Where is the second Cocoa House? Why can't you understand that a Nigerian can build something in the 50s under British supervision (and to be honest, I don't know the constructors, contractors for Cocoa House, but I'm guessing they weren't indigenous) and fail to do so under their rotten system. Compare the projects started by Nigerians abroad to what Nigerians build in Nigeria for example. There all manner of architects, engineers, and other kinds of technocrats who do amazing work outside Nigeria, but Nigeria is still rotten. The fact is Cocoa House and Liberty Stadium are completely rotten today. Not even South Africa boasts about Hilbrow.

As for south eastern Nigeria, having the largest market in Africa was probably more beneficial to them than a tower and a stadium.

aresa:
lmao. Is this dude joking or pulling me legs...

It didn't last because regional administration was abolished by your kinsman aka Aguiyi Ironsi and not because of whatever indigenous rubbish you are talking about.

And what's S.Korea got to do with Nigeria? Are we related historically?

Do they have a mixture of hausa, yoruba and ibo in S.Korea?

They had regional government administration in S.Korea too?

Please leave thread if you have nothing sane and rational to talk about?

Well what happened to the Igbo and Hausa in the 50s? That's right Britain was organising everybody. Guy, Obasanjo could have undid whatever you say Aguiyi-Ironsi did.

modath:
I can see that you are someone that takes deep pride in your origin but I'd have love clear AERIAL pictures of cluster of houses that will be dinstinct & is verifiable..

Unlike pictures of singles, you get?

Enugu in 1900 would have been the icing on the cake..... Like we have ancient yoruba towns&cities..

I've shown you Asaba which you could see cluster of houses in 1800s.

I'll show you again

Asaba 1800s
[img]http://1.bp..com/-jrtkX1VCfH8/TdQxQ5nfreI/AAAAAAAAAXU/Cl1X56BI1ig/s1600/Ahaba.jpg[/img]

Onitsha 50s-60s.

https://amightytree.org/wp-content/assets/42-08-mm-road-enu-osha.jpg
https://amightytree.org/wp-content/assets/42-01adj_abovemm_toenu1-600x306.jpg

Colonial building from the 20s in Enugu:

https://s11.postimg.org/7vteswyc3/wpid_enugu_state_sec_office_001.jpghttps://s2.postimg.org/kdqf3949l/wpid_enugu_state_sec_office_002.jpg

Enugu:
https://images-01.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/312/382/005_001.jpg

Don't mind the white people
https://images-00.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/308/300/060_001.jpg
https://images-00.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/253/828/073_001.jpg

Multicultural
https://images-02.delcampe-static.net/img_large/auction/000/312/379/981_001.jpg

In fact I should open a thread.

agadez007:
why do people lie to themslves a lot,which igbo izugbe is 80% Owerri dialect,abeg
i used to believe that myself but having spent 3-4 years in Owerri and interacted with owerri,i can confidently say Owerri is not even 40% of izugbe,asaba or igbuzor is more central and standard than Owerri

e.g
english-how are you
owerri-i ri kpa ole / imela kpole
onitsha-kedu ka ime
izugbe-kedu ka ime

english-he passed feaces
owerri- o baga nshi
onitsha-onyulu Nsi
izugbe-onyuru Nsi

English-what is your name
owerri-aha gi owu ni?
Onitsha-kedu afa gi/yi
izugbe-kedu aha gi
e.t.c
and other heavy words in owerri just as pig-Ezhi while izugbe and onitsha is Ezi
Ishi-head while izugbe and onitsha is Isi

if owerri is 80% izugbe than onitsha is 100% izugbe

It's true, actually Izugbe is more of Umuahia dialects mixed with others. You're right, Onitsha is actually closer to Igbo Izugbo only that they change l to n and so on.

modath:
I need to see Enugu, Awka & maybe Umuahia.

Asaba is not in the south east & anyone can put anything on tumblr, & if you can direct me to a book or something of note that I can see things for myself, will be lovely..

I want to learn.. Thx.

I don't have Umuahia, Aba will do.

[img]https://oldnaija.files./2014/12/aba-town.jpg[/img]


Precolonial onitsha house:

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7xn4oxF5e1qjh37to1_500.jpg

Pre colonial Arochukwu house

https://41.media.tumblr.com/b2b04bfbc11b10a119cb7c2fa057ecbf/tumblr_nvgw0oq5BZ1qjh37to1_540.jpg

More Onitsha:

https://amightytree.org/wp-content/assets/41-15-mm-clothing.jpg

https://36.media.tumblr.com/705ded82210bf4534e7619c8a041a402/tumblr_nqz5roCiI71qjh37to1_500.jpg

https://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7xzcz05kE1qjh37to1_500.jpg

Pre colonial Awka architecture:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6d/a2/56/6da2561655c50369072ef2fb33e637e3.jpg

https://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7q21bBues1qjh37to1_500.jpg

[img]http://2.bp..com/_jeBv7EEofYQ/TLvDiw1p7LI/AAAAAAAAAKQ/QUdZLOjpDz0/s1600/Dike%27s+Tower.png[/img]

You know what, just look at my signature

aresa:
Under Britain or Roman empire, the SW survived and advanced rapidly ahrad of the other regions before oil.

The British government was not the premier of the western region, Obafemi Awolowo was.

The British government did not build or awarded any of the contracts, it was done by Obafemi Awolowo.

The British government the not pay for the infrastructures, the western regional government paid with cocoa, rubber money and taxes from the western region.

Please keep up woth your history books.


Oil remains and association remains a needless distraction.

It survived but it didn't thrive like now. Look at South Korea. If it was an indigenous feat that's where it would be.

veraponpo:
What are you talking about?

So Britain gave South Western Govt free and compulsory Education in 1955?

So Britain built cocoa house? why didnt they build in the North and East too?

So Britain built the first international stadium called Liberty stadium?

So, Britain built all the industrial estates in the South West?

This is funny....No insult is targeted please.

Britain provided the framework of Nigeria to be able to organise such projects which is why there isn't a second coca house. If this was solely an indigenous feat Ibadan would have several Cocoa houses just like there would be several train eastern lines in the east. And yes, in a way Britian was in charge of industries in the 'south west'. That's the point of colonialism.

modath:
Eeyan mi in as much as I don't likke to contribute to this kind of thread, I support with likes when it's merited, but I'm withholding it this time cos you didn't do justice to freeglobe's question about brown roofs...

The answer has always been & will forever remain that while our grandparents were building houses in the cities, theirs were in the vilages living in huts with thatched roofs..

Their cities are new cities while ours have a lot of cultural values attached to them...

How many history books depicts life & living in enugu of 1920s?

It's like comparing LA & london, no matter how beautiful LA houses are today, civilization started from Europe....

Abuja is beautiful but can't remove ikoyi's allure & grace..

My 2k.

This is wrong. This is Asaba in the 1800s.

[img]http://1.bp..com/-jrtkX1VCfH8/TdQxQ5nfreI/AAAAAAAAAXU/Cl1X56BI1ig/s1600/Ahaba.jpg[/img]

This is a market in Onitsha in the early 1900s.

https://36.media.tumblr.com/19b9d04a1ad21a4083822e161e53fa13/tumblr_nr0s85vjAu1qjh37to1_1280.jpg

1950s-60s

https://amightytree.org/wp-content/assets/45-20-crowd-close-copy.jpg

I can provide more images if you like.

veraponpo:
Which war?

You mean Ile-Ife and Modakeke? 1998 to 2000? or you mean civil war of 1967 -1970.

Each time Igbos talk about the war, I always read with amazement at t he level of ignorance of most of your people. Do you think when the war was going on, other regions were enjoying? or you thought all the Igbo people suffered? Why didn't Prof Achebe die during the war and all his children and wife? They just wasted some fools among the Igbos and preserved the lives of their own people.

Some will say their people kept money in the bank? As at now, how many illiterates keep money in the bank let alone in 1967, how many Igbos could you truly say had a bank account then?

The only place where education was pronounced and where banks were functioning was South West because of Lagos colony and South West because Awolowo development stands. So, giving your fathers £20 pounds was even a cheating element over others because they did not keep money in the bank.

So, don't ever mention any war here again. Yoruba has been fighting wars before that time- Weti e of 1962, Ibadan and Ekiti-Ijesha people , Egba and Ibadan (Lisabi War), etc. Oyo empire fought up to Benin Republic, so what are you talking about. There is also Dan Fodio's caliphate war against Yoruba being fought by Ibadan people being led by Ogunmola to chase Usman Dan Fodio back to north is still fresh in our memory

You lost the only battle you fought- Biafra being conquered by Gen Obasanjo and Ben Adekunle with wisdom of Awolowo.

Nigerians love lying to themselves. They can't even read a comment properly. Any advantage any part of Nigeria including the east had before 1960 was of British manufacture. Don't 'beat your chest' about accomplishments made British mentorship. Look at other former colonised or occupied states like Singapore or even South Korea.

Chiwude:
On what basis and who conducted the research. The prominence of Onitsha Igbo ends in the confines of Anambra, Enugu, Anioma and northern Ebonyi. But in territories such as Imo, Abia, Rivers and southern Ebonyi, the Owerri Igbo of which forms over 80% of Igbo Izugbe reigns supreme. Its a fact that a child who grew up in Onitsha and environs will cleave towards Onitsha Igbo. However, a child raised in Aba will definitely speak Owerri Igbo. This is the truth. While a child who grew up outside the South East will surely speak the dialect of his immediate family.
The Owerri Igbo which comprises over 80% of Igbo-Izugbe has come to stay as our native means of communication, and many of you guys should swallow your anguish and live with it.
The Igbo language taught in schools and tertiary instituitions is Igbo Izugbe(75% Owerri Igbo)
The Igbo used in both the Orthodox and Pentecostal churches in Igbo land is Igbo Izugbe.
The Igbo used in Igbo christian music is Owerri Igbo.
The Igbo used in all South East Radio and TV stations is Igbo

Wétu obi now, is just a discussion. I think Igbo Izugbe is good, but I'm just wandering why people use Onitsha instead when in more informal situations.