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A response: https://www.nairaland.com/2686704/biafra-igbo

I think Amaechi should come back if he can since he did such a good job last time.

nwanlecha:
I have always maintained that we Ndi Igbo should concentrate on having Biafra as an Igbo only country(excluding the Ikwerres pls). Y'all should stop being concerned about the well being of these our non-Igbo SS neighbours who betrayed us in the past & who will surely betray us again. Our blood could not have been continously shed all these years for Biafra and then, have these minorities come in to enjoy the fruits of our labor, after we've done all the hard work. Mbanu! Things simply don't work that way. I hate to see Ndi Igbo adding these people into the Biafra equation, thereby attracting unnecessary ridicule and insult to us. Have we ever stopped to ask ourselves, what use these people will be to us in Biafra? To be honest, these minorities will be nothing short of a liability and headache to us in Biafra. An Igbo only country called Biafra is the answer!
@Ezeagu, it's not just a few Ndi Igbo that are talking of Biafra. The truth is that 98% of Ndi Igbo want Biafra. I would also like to know your opinion on this Biafra issue, 'cause you've kind of been on the fence about it.

I believe that anything other than an Igbo country would probably be a failure. I also believe all these Biafra movements are confusing.

Legitbaba:
Before now...so many pple tot Biafra was an Igbo struggle.. Buh later on...i realized that it wasnt.....it was abt d then eastern region....many pple still think that way b cos Igbos are d more serious unit about the fight...there is no way a Rivers state or any south south state will b under Nigeria if d secession actually happens....and some others are not just comfortable with d name...mayb a change of name could do some magic

But I have never seen a Biafra protest in any non-Igbo land. The name I believe should go too.

Brooklynsouth:
this guy from ur arguement u are not igbo so many words u used which is common with the yaribas and mind u the biafran consciousness is natural it awakens all with notice e.g portharcourt rally even the governor gave a wave on for the rally so my dear impostor u are not igbo and I know where this biafra problem is the igbo speaking biafrans are problems of the actualization mind t was an ijaw man that moved for the secession of biafra so they are more biafrans than ur igbo ones

I don't think you have the capacity to under the arguments being raised here. I wonder what you guys will do when you march to the wrong lands and they actually physically attack you.

Noneroone:
personally i love all Igbo country too. But i believe Kalu knows what he is doing. o buru na gina mmadu na azo ani, oge ikpe rue, i were nke abughi nkegi tinye na oke nke gi. ka oga abu ikpazu ka inwete anagi nile.

I don't know about that since Radio Biafra is even claiming Itsekiri and Igala people are part of Biafra.

fastjet:
Come if na joke u better stop it before I invoke the anger of Chukwu okike abiama on u, which name do u want to change BIAFRA u must be a joker and dreamer, the name Biafra is as old as Africa, why not change Africa name to start with. go and check the ancient map of Africa 1800 - 1899. u will see BIAFRA there. secondly it cant be change becos millions have died becos of its restoration so let live with it. Am Proudly BIAFRA. Bleep off haters

Biafra is a corrupted name Europeans used to find particular kinds of slaves they were looking for, just because it existed before Nigeria doesn't mean it's not of foreign origin. Do your research outside of Radio Biafra.

carnegiefan:
First, they will be forcefully converted to Islam. Note that Igbo have been the only major Christian population in Nigeria, and the east.
The Igbo shields the east against forceful Islamization as is happening now in the middle belt.
Once Islamized, they become like northern minorities, at the killing whims and caprices of the Fulani overlords.
Cattle will finish off the rest of the farmlands left after oil pollution.
Soon there will be an Emir of each of those minority clans, and they can do nothing about it.
Stay in Nigeria will be pure HELL for any eastern minority.
Biafra is all about equality, and Christian type of freedom.

Even if this farfetched situation could happen, it should be the decision of those groups to stay in Nigeria. I even believe that it's messy to want a group of people who rejected you to join you when they have never shown any sense of a unified destiny with you. You'd just make the new country a mini Nigeria. I don't know why some people can't leave Ndi Mba Miri alone but are talking for them. It's very irritating, especially with some of the insults like in the comments posted.

An apparent minority is pushing for secession of eastern Nigeria as Biafra, while the majority of the Igbo remain silent, and let's be honest, the silence is as a result of a people who would ideally like to be on their own but understandably do not want to invest in many different ways in something that may end up bad in also a variety of ways including a repeat of the 60s. The problem however is that not only is the movement very chaotic at the moment, but there is confusion as to where Biafra is. Many are saying that the whole of eastern Nigeria is Biafra, but I think this is really a mistake the Biafra secessionists are making. I believe that the area known as 'south south' are not as enthusiatic about a Biafra as the secessionists would like to believe. In fact all the major protests have taken place only in Igbo land, and particularly in the five Igbo states. And I'm sure some would say they know someone in Ogoja or someone from Calabar who joined them in protest somewhere, but to be honest these minute amount of people doesn't change the point that overwhelmingly the sentiment about seceding or a 'Biafra' has been and has been perceived as an Igbo thing. Check the names on any 'Biafra' message for example. I have encouraged an idea of an 'eastern' unity within Nigeria here before, but following from the sentiment that eveyone should respect themselves and the autonomy of others, it my deep belief, considering history even before the Nigeria-Biafra war, that the Igbo people, if there were ever a secession, should form a nation on their own, or at least a federation as a country like England in the United Kingdom. I believe the nature and goal of an Igbo person will continue to be misunderstood by anyone and I do not want a situation where an Igbo person will feel they are held back because they don't want to be seen as overdoing anybody.

All of these thoughts were solidifed by the recent writings of Alabo Abiye Akkio-Abbey here https://www.facebook.com/alaboabiye.akkioabbey/posts/10153267949980028 and the replies by people from his community, some I have attached.

Northerners are not united. If you doubt me then look at the Kanuri and Fulani. The Kanuri were the first muslims in Nigeria and they have illusions of superiority because of that. Also Boko Haram is a Kanuri enterprise.

JudgementHammer:
A whole 1k. My guy u are a rich man joor. Na person weh no sabi chop life go call 1k small money.

1. Pay N100 as offering to God for keeping u alive till date

Is God going to get that directly? Give it to someone in need. God doesn't need money.

spyder880:
How can we develop African architecture, or adopt some good practices to reduce building costs and also introduce some convenience. I am tired of this concrete craze, even for those who are building small houses like bungalows.

[size=18pt]Rammed Earth and Recyclable Materials[/size]

I've already suggested rammed earth which more advanced countries are slowly moving to. Also wood and recycled materials like plastics would not only be cheap but would visually break up the depressing cement look of buildings in Nigeria. For example when you look at a house in Nigeria it's just a box of cements, while

This is the science center of a girls school in Australia made from rammed earth and other recyclable materials.

https://www.earthstructures.co.uk/images/gallery/73/7310.jpg
http://www.earthstructures.co.uk/

These are other buildings/renderings that were built with rammed earth and recyclable materials. It's funny because the idea of using mud and recyclable materials like ceramics is indigenous to Nigeria, but as I've said Nigerians/Africans do not think that anything of their is good enough, but that's simply ignorance and they'd rather build shabby imitations of various conflated European architectures from neo-Classical to Mediterranean.

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/exteriorREBD.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/exterior2REBD.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/tresbirdsarchitectureswoon4.jpg

"The structure was built using 200 tons of rammed Earth, a composite of regional dirt and pigments, compressed into 30” thick walls. This adds significant thermal mass to the building’s whole, optimal for temperature regulation. Bearing the structural load, these dense walls allow the space to exist free from obstructions, ideal for a simplified interior and exhibiting artwork."
http://eartharchitecture.org/index.php?/categories/3-Rammed-Earth

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/glendale_childcare_center_01__large.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/drachman6_1.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/lacey1.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/lacey9.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/lacey2.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/lacey4.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/hinterland1.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/hinterland2.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/01_merrickshouse_jp201210.jpg

https://eartharchitecture.org/uploads/06_merrickshouse_jp201210.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVpYwdsA8Vg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PLa_-9hqLk

Sorry, but, does this guy really have time to be talking about Biafra now when his house is literally on fire right now? Why hasn't he made a statement about the unity between Boko Haram and his people? Why doesn't he tell them that Nigeria is one and there are no victors of vanquished? Maybe then he can start to talk about Biafra.

Why do Igbo people keep pointing out reasons for Nigeria not to let them go? It makes no sense.

What is the verifiability of this source?

The age gap... All of these baby politicians in the UK showing up Nigeria's greyed cabinets.

bigfrancis21:
Despite the presence of Igbo Izugbe, Onicha Igbo still takes a certain level of placement in Igboland. People readily admit to the sweet-sounding nature of the dialect when spoken. An example in this regard would be British English vs. American English or Nigerian English. Till today, Americans still trip when they hear the British accent spoken. I speak the accent fluently and sometimes in my office I switch to this accent and everybody in my office loves it. The assistant director, a lady in her late 40s, of my unit is British and each time she comes around I tease her in the accent and she loves it.

For the sound of it, Onicha Igbo still takes precedence in Nollywood Igbo music and also Igbo rap music. Too many times, I have seen Igbo musicians or rap artists from the south prefer to sing/rap in Onitsha Igbo or a mix of it with Igbo Izugbe. Truth be told, Onitsha Igbo does have this flavour to it totally lacking in Igbo Izugbe. Funny enough, Owerri Igbo carries more swag to it than Igbo Izugbe.

In Igbo meetings or gatherings, some people may choose to switch to Onitsha Igbo maybe because it is easy for everyone else to understand or for the 'flavour' that it carries. On the other hand, Igbo Izugbe seems to be restricted to mostly literary usage and in Christian musics.

To correct the impression, Igbo Izugbe is NOT 80% Owerri Igbo. The general impression is that Igbo Izugbe was taken from Owerri Igbo which is totally false. The syntax or skeleton upon which Igbo Izugbe is built on comes from Onitsha Igbo. Igbo Izugbe is Onitsha Igbo in terms of structure and southern Igbo in vocabulary. Core Owerri Igbo is hardly understood by a first-time Igbo visitor to Owerri while Onitsha Igbo/Igbo Izugbe is easily understood by any Igbo speaker. Onitshans say, 'A na m eje afia ka m gote ife', Igbo Izugbe says, 'A na m eje ahia ka m gote ihe', Owerri Igbo says, 'E jega m ahia ma zuta he'. Anoter example, Onitshans would say, 'Ife I na-acho a diro', Igbo Izugbe would say, 'Ihe I na-acho a dighi', Owerri Igbo would say, 'he I choga a rihu'. Owerri Igbo is in no way similar to Igbo Izugbe in sentence formation or structure. In other words, Onitsha Igbo was taken and its skeletal structure retained but stripped off majority of its vocabulary and replaced with vocabulary from Southern Igbo. Igbo Izugbe is spoken in the same way Onitshans speak Igbo and not the same manner Owerri people speak Igbo. People should learn to recognize these subtle differences.

Personally, I think Onitsha Igbo would have been left as the official Igbo dialect.

Onitsha Igbo is like a shiny marketable champagne while Owerri Igbo is an earthy brandy. Igbo Izugbe is like a generalised version of the dialects spoken around the areas where northern Abia and Imo meet.

aresa:
What's engaging about your meaningless, irrelevant , flawed and disjointed rubbish?

There's got to be something better than you people beating your hollow chests..

Guy (or girl), SirShymexx already used one way and saved you guys, I then stopped, are you really trying to drag this thread back? Post about the south west nau.

aresa:
Please stop.


The thread missed road because they catered to your irrelevant distractions when in fact they shouldn't have.

They basically enabled you.

What can I say, I guess my writing is just very engaging. Now post south west offerings.

aresa:
The claim I made was about historical firsts in Nigeria and Africa by the SW regional administration and you stepped in to dispute the claim with your rubbish about british framework and supervision and managed to drag the thread down to absurd and ridiculous level about palm oil and market all because you don't have anything to show per what the eastern region achieved within the same period hence your convoluted posts about palm oil and markets.


You derailed the thread with all your meaningless and thoughtless garbage...

Please see the last few pages where I was handling several of you at the same time and debunking left and right. Please post economic development of south western Nigeria today like I have done.

SirShymexx:
Nri has its origin in Igala (founded by Ọnọja the son of Oboli an Igala man). Onitsha has its origin in Bini. Aro has its origin in Akwa Ibom and Calabar axis.

Kingship is foreign to Igboland.

Stop derailing the thread.

I thought we're past this now? You were telling me not to reply with derailing statements, now you have me dusting off the books again, or?

SirShymexx:
I actually like Eko Atlantic a lot and I believe it's one of the reasons why I like Fashola a bit, ditto the metrorail - albeit I'm not his groupie and I still believe he was mediocre.

However, my only grouse with a project of that magnitude is the fact that they never tried to create an identity for the state. Lagos has no identity and when you're planning something as commendable as this within an axis - you've to plan ahead and make it statement, with an identity, so as not to suck developments away from other areas in the South West.

What am I saying? I'll New York and the Tri-state as an example. When Manhattan was built - the identity of New York became the financial district. After that, a lot of things moved to the two other states in the tri-state. However, with Lagos - those folks lack foresight and planning. And they just keep trying to fit everything into one state, while sucking developments out of the other states - thus making Lagos more snarled-up than it's meant to be.

They're just continuing the trend of Nigeria being a one city state. Lagos = Nigeria to everyone anyway.

I thought they said Nigerian youths can't govern. Or is it that the youths in Nigeria are different from the Nigerian youths abroad?

the person who opened the thread should have focused on so called development in other parts of Nigeria today because the whole of Nigeria is mediocre at best.

The only relevant industry is the oil industry and I don't see any attempts at truly trying to diversify. That's why threads like this end up derailed, because no one in Nigeria really has much to show in terms of industry outside Lagos and Abuja, the oil industry, and informal import/export.

Okay...

Anyway. Eko Atalntic proposed projects. Like I was saying this would have been better if they fixed Lagos mainland first before building a completely new city, but this is a rendering of some of the projects which will in some way affect the economy.

EDC begins Azuri Peninsula development

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1809422

https://s24.postimg.org/baxl3kead/orunfeatured2z.jpghttps://s24.postimg.org/lm9xw85zp/zunafeatured_Z.jpg

https://s1.postimg.org/d9y2pmt0v/Zuna.jpg

These kinds of projects are only happening in the south west.

Even though I believe Eko Atlantic is misplaced priorities, and have said so a long time ago. The place is shaping up at least and will probably be a good place for receiving investors and tourism, etc.

https://s21.postimg.org/g00gkezyf/12141665_516447538514651_3299966689052044920_n_j.jpg

https://s15.postimg.org/53yz16bx7/10361320_516446135181458_6934137497307190932_n_j.jpg

I think tourism is probably the biggest in south western Nigeria and will continue to grow because of the spread of Yoruba religion all over the world, and especially among the African diaspora.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmqanHBrjL0

Advice taken.

Okay omonnakoda and SirShymexx you've now started. Let me help...

SirShymexx:
Even if they're laying blocks on the tracks - you don't have to do the same. Once you start doing the same thing - you'll deflate what the discourse is about.

Anyway, almost everything on here is basically past glory and things achieved between 1956-1966. That's a decade.

How about things they've achieved from 1999-2015. 16 years. That's what I'm more interested in.

That's what I've been writing the whole time. That's basically what started this. If this was just a showcase of south west contribution in the last few years, which there is much to talk about, instead of false information about other 'regions', then there wouldn't be this.

SirShymexx:
I've been following the thread since it was created and you're also guilty in the act.

Anyway, personally, I'm more interested in Yoruba achievements/progression since Awolowo, hence I've followed the thread keenly. However, you lot are derailing the thread.

I'm not derailing nau, the people I'm responding to are the ones laying the blocks on the tracks, I'm just steering the train by discussing how different parts of Nigeria were influenced by colonialists agenda.

SirShymexx:
Why are you messing up the thread with relics and ancient pictures, Ezeagu?

Please stick to the topic - this isn't a thread for Igbo history.

Check the post history. Everything here is a response. Someone makes a claim. A response is followed. I'm sure if someone made a claim you knew was untrue you'd want to correct them as well. So if there are no more false claims or verifiable facts then the thread can carry on.

omonnakoda:
Knowledge trumps ignorance as light trumps darkness/
It is a known detail of archaeology that clothing decays over time especially cotton or other agriculturally based biodegradable fabric unless there are in place special circumstances to ensure their preservation such as entombing which would explain finding fibres at the site of burial of a "king" although Eboes claim not to have kings. That does not detract from the fact that the vast majority of the people especially adult women were all naked when the colonialists arrived. The pictures are everywhere and you just might provoke someone into publishing them AGAIN!! There are words for cloth and thread in most Nigerian languages so it is foolish to believe that clothing first appeared in West Africa just 1000 years ago whether in Eboeland or elsewhere. The point is it was not available for adult females until 100 years ago. Rather than talk or archaeological digs tell us about what fabrics your people used>It was mostly raffia and leaves
So what was found at Igbo Ukwu probably came from Benin after all were there not also beads there that were clearly of Middle Eastern origin and therefore evidence of TRADE.
The fact that the Benin do not allow people to go digging up the graves of their kings means nothing.

You know all you wrote was bullshit, if not, you'd provide older evidence of textiles. Your initial statment was that eastern Nigerians were shrieking unclad, we've established that the oldest found woven textiles in the whole of West Africa was found in Anambra, and now you're replying with all this rubbish about

"So what was found at Igbo Ukwu probably came from Benin"

Even a Benin person would laugh at that, come on.

https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_1978.412.302.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/pwmn_3/hd_pwmn_3.htm

This is an image of a woman from the Court of Benin from the 1700s, the greatest empire West Africa has ever seen, completely unclad, the image below is of Queen Idia, probably the greatest Queen Mother of West Africa, bare chested herself, flanked by nude women. Below are ancient Egytpian women. Many if not all West African peoples had nude women, even the ancient Egyptians had nude dancing women and their queens were nude as well, it didn't change the fact that these two great kingdoms had advanced technology compared to most of their neighbours. Below those pictures are Igbo women mostly nude with quality cloth wrapped round their waists. The metals and textiles on them have been produced by their people for thousands of years and on their land the earliest textiles were found. Now what the Bleep are you threatening to "publish"?

https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_1991.17.111.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/pwmn_3/hd_pwmn_3.htm

https://s2.postimg.org/mmu0mgdp5/580px_Musicians_and_dancers_on_fresco_at_Tomb_of.jpghttps://s8.postimg.org/ixbfe23f9/Cleopatra_VII_from_Hermitage_Peterburg.jpg

Cleopatra VII

https://s18.postimg.org/cmiuqdkmh/engaged_igbo_ancient_jpg_w_604_h_411.jpg

I'm still enjoying this.

omonnakoda:
Just a little more..... There is nothing like Easterner. These same people whom Eboes disparagingly call Mmong/Mmongo people developed Nsibidi nothing to do with Eboes. So stop attaching yourselves to them. When they developed Nsibidi your people were shrieking about naked.

A Yoruba man Ajayi Crowther introduced the First Eboe dictionary. That is what we have established on stone

Shrieking unclad but the second oldest textile was found in Anambra. Okay.

"Dating from the ninth century, Igbo-Ukwu provides us with the earliest direct evidence we have for weaving in the region."

https://books.google.com/books?id=QKD_VNQ0MF4C&pg=PA28&dq=oldest+textile+igbo+ukwu&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAmoVChMIyrLQov7VyAIVQX4aCh2zGQ1K#v=onepage&q=oldest%20textile%20igbo%20ukwu&f=false

"Weaving in West Africa The oldest known textiles are nine fragments found in a king's grave at Igbo Ukwu (southeastern Nigeria)."

https://books.google.com/books?id=9VQYAAAAIAAJ&q=oldest+textile+igbo+ukwu&dq=oldest+textile+igbo+ukwu&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCwQ6AEwA2oVChMIyrLQov7VyAIVQX4aCh2zGQ1K

Keep digging. I'm enjoying this.

The nsibidi writing system is reportedly of Ejagham origin and was developed by the peoples of the Cross River, including the Cross River Igbo.

Ajayi Crowther didn't create a dictionary, it was a primer, and more Igbo words were already recorded by Olaudah Equiano in the 1780s.

omonnakoda:
Warped Ibothetic Ibonalysis but totally devoid of sense or sanity

Nothing else? Okay.

YoruBanger:
Hahahaha. Igbo bitterness and chronic inferiority complex is approaching insane proportions. Yorubaland has Lagos and Ibadan as powerhouses (you all are not even ashamed to be fighting to claim a stake in other regions while Una dey pick race from igboland coz there's nothing there) , The Northerners have Kano and Abuja, SS has PH, please what do igbos have to boast over that is even worth mentioning? . You people are the lepers of Nigeria, rejected by all, and Una still no fit siddon for igboland. Smh.

The SS has Port Harcourt? Oh my God, I thought the Germans left in the 40s!