₦airaland Forum

persius555:
This is one area that governments globally have failed woefully. Food security has always been the exclusive of private companies and individuals.

It exposed the incompetents of government to coordinate proper food distribution along the entire food value chain. And you have knuckleheads chairing boards of that useless UNFPA.

Sometimes, I ponder if humanity actually need government to survive. Aside from taxing individual to death and making Draconian laws that put hindrance to human development, engaging in senseless wars, printing and controlling where and how money flows, what better use is government?

Farms and Food companies are not nationalized in most countries.

Whenever food production was nationalized like in China, Soviet Russia, Zimbabwe and Venezuela millions died of famine because the government officials had no clue how to mange the infrastructure and corruption.

Although even if we dismantle current governments people of similar ideology will group together to form their own types of government. This is because it's very easy for private entities to take advantage of people without any checks in place.

hahn:
After overhyping God she still died. Damn

Just look at Nigerians insulting you for not sucking up to the UK imported religion.

I tell you that if prayers and quoting bible verses worked no Christian would get infected yet it seems to have the same effects as doing nothing.

This is why Africa will never progress.

DEHVEHLOP:
See this Buhari brother, so na only Igbo dey travel?







ILLITERACY is a disease.


We Igbos may not be too beautiful but we are proud

The women are beautiful , the men are very proud.

Jeromejnr:

The fact that you put those 2 comics together shows you have absolutely no self awareness. Get lost already.

Jeromejnr:

If you say the moon is made of cheese and someone rightfully calls you an idiot does that mean the moon is made of cheese?

The fact that you fail to recognise your own stupidity does not make you correct.

donchynwoksgma:
Why must atheist comment on things they don't believe in . when Muslims post theirs,everybody allows them but once it comes to Christians people like you ll start misbehaving .please learn to respect people and their belief because I doubt if you re exposed at all . God bless you

Why must Christians impose laws on people who don't believe? Do Christians extend the same respect they demand to atheists in Nigeria?

It's like you have not seen Muslim threads that reach the front page get filled with insults.

https://www.nairaland.com/5668208/ruling-fearing-coronavirus-shaykh-salih

https://www.nairaland.com/5784490/preparing-ramadan

Christians here are cowardly hypocrites.

Jeromejnr:
It is clear you are wishing something had happened that never happened.

Christianity still triumphs, hallelujah.

Idiot learn to read what you post. Everything you post exposes how stupid you are.

Churches are places of delusion where scamming is legal.

Absolutely nothing, the Bible never talks about masturbation.

What rules about masturbation are the result of church fathers following the philosophy of natural law.

Jeromejnr:
You don change argument again. You can't stick to one point.

At least you could not counter my claim. Your ignorance was shameful.

You have now brought up edict of Milan that has nothing to do with your former argument.

Fact remains whether there was an Edict of milan or not, it would have only affected Rome. But Christianity would still spread because because just in case you don't know, there were other countries and continents on the map.

The times Christianity could have died, was during the times of Nero. But we are still here and stronger till today.

I believe I am done with the argument, seeing you dont have any other valid point.

Let me not waste my brain cells.

Today is Ressurection day babeeey. WooHoo!

Praise the King.

It is clear now that you are hopelessly stupid.

It is clear that you want to remain ignorant about the origins and spread of Christianity choosing to ignore anything that happened after the 14 years of Nero's reign and the near 2000 years of history that has happened since then.

It is clear that you wish to remain ignorant about how Europe and European influenced areas remain majority Christian and other areas are not.


It is clear that you did not watch any of the videos or read any articles on this topic but rather parrot what your foolish Sunday School teachers said about Christianity.

It is clear that you wish to follow imported delusions as facts.


Your brain cells are already being wasted remaining in your skull as you believe in nonsense and you can continue to waste them.

However someone more intelligent than you must have learned something from this exchange.

Jeromejnr:
You have just shown how you lack knowledge and your argument is all over the place.

So you say if Rome had banned Christianity, it wont exist today, right??

So guess what.

Rome the world power during the reign of Emperor Nero, and also later Decius banned Christianity.

They killed thousands of Christians. Christians couldn't even come out openly, they were thrown to lions for the Roman entertainments and also lighted as street lamps for parties.

Now that was still when Christianity was very young compared to the Catholic Church times. (1st Century Rome). Christianity was still growing.

Even some of his soldiers when Christian's were being killed, still converted to Christianity.

Now if there was anytime for Christianity to end, that would have been the time.

But yet, Chrsitianity still spread all over the world. (Praise Jesus).

So, find another logical argument Mr. MAN.

Stop embarrassing yourself. I wonder who you think you are talking to.

You have just been shooting blanks since the beginning of this debate.

You keep posting utter garbage.

Read about the Edict of Milan

Read about the Edict of Thessalonica.

Watch this video which explains things down to your level.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBxND8Kix7Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvFl6UBZLv4

Did you just pull a do you know who I am? on the Internet? Seriously? I don't care who you are all you have shown yourself to be is prideful in ignorance and stupidity.

Jeromejnr:
You are jumping all over the place.

You claimed there wouldnt be Christianity all over the world if it was banned by the Romans.

That has nothing to do with Christianity coming to West Africa. Other Nations of the world already had Christians. And it would still have spread anyway.

History has shown that anytime there was persecution of Christians in a certain region, it only made Christianity larger and more dispersed around the world.
https://www.historyhit.com/the-growth-of-christianity-in-the-roman-empire/.

You have no point or backing to your claims. Even Jesus knew of people like you and spoke of His church saying " On this rock will I build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail".

You're an idiot.

Other nations in the world had Arianism, Zoroastrianism and Manichaeism but why didn't they spread like Christianity?

That's because the Roman Empire adopted Christianity as the state religion and sought to destroy other religions whenever they could. The bloody article you sent even said so and is backing my claims.

Did you just say that Roman and subsequent European adoption of Christianity had nothing to do with Christianity reaching West Africa? Are you daft? Why did it take 1500 years after inception when Europeans sailed here if that was the case? I suppose you think Europeans have nothing to do with you speaking English as well.

All you have managed to do is show how little you know about your own religion.

Lagos had become dumping ground for Covid-19.

Jeromejnr:
Guy you are the ignorant fellow.

Was it only Europe that was existing in the whole world.

Besides Christianity had its roots in Asia. And there were more Christians in Asia than Rome at the time.

Your thought process is alarming.

Why are you derailing the conversation?

Wasn't Nicene Christianity adopted by the Romans and later Europeans who then brought it to West Africa?

Did Asians bring Christianity to West Africa?

Wasn't it the same Roman empire who controlled most of Europe that also controlled the parts where Christianity started?

Aren't you aware that the city of Rome was no longer the seat of power in the empire by 286 A. D.? By the time Christianity was made the state religion Rome had become irrelevant and power had shifted to the Eastern regions of the Empire.

Aren't you aware that I am not talking just about Rome the city but the massive land mass of the Roman Empire?

In those areas of Asia ruled by Rome do they still make up the majority of Christians after the fall of Roman rule?

Jeromejnr:
So Christians came from rome?

You need to study.

There were other religions back then, why do they still exist today?

Christianity was legitimised in the empire by Constantine. Before then there were numerous religions, cults and schools of thought in Europe which were eliminated.

Mithraism
Manichaeism
Arianism
Zoroastrianism
Worship of the Greco-Roman pantheon
Celtic Religion.
Norse religion



After Theodosius became emperor and deemed Christianity the state religion of Rome he sought to destroy any and every religious influence which wasn't Nicene Christianity. Statues were destroyed, places of worship converted into churches and local gods and festivals syncretised into devotion of saints and Christian holidays. Through various crusades and inquisitions The Catholic Church managed to kill, silence and brutally subjugate anyone in Europe who wasn't a Christian yay.

Your ignorance is showing.

Jeromejnr:
Oga bros. Many of us Christians were Atheists before we had our own encounter with God. Not everyone was born under the influence of religion.

So find another argument.

I can say with all certainty that if the Romans adopted Manichaeism instead there would be no Christians today.

Jeromejnr:
God said where he came from in the bible.

He said, He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End.

I understand the human curiosity to try to understand all things. But I believe we have an over inflated ego of intellect. Because of what we see in our so called advancement of knowledge.

But the truth is that, we humans have no way of measuring how truly intelligent and advance we have become because we have no other intelligent race like us on other planets for instance to compare.

Now why do I say that?

Because I am sure the origin of God I gave above will not satisfy you.

But God in the bible doesnt go deeper in explaining things He knows humans wouldn't get.

There is a concept called infinite regression of things. Which is not possible and which cant be understood by the limited human mind. Infinite regression isnt possible because it still has to point to an infinite source that had no beginning.

What could be this thing or being that had no beginning?

Guess what, the Bible God is the only God in all religion to give the ultimate origin of everything. He says He is the ultimate source. No beginning before Him.

You cant put that in a test tube.

Ahura Mazda said where he came from in the Avestan.

He said, He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the End.

I understand the human curiosity to try to understand all things. But I believe we have an over inflated ego of intellect. Because of what we see in our so called advancement of knowledge.

But the truth is that, we humans have no way of measuring how truly intelligent and advance we have become because we have no other intelligent race like us on other planets for instance to compare.

Now why do I say that?

Because I am sure the origin of Ahura Mazda I gave above will not satisfy you.

But Ahura Mazda in the Avestan doesnt go deeper in explaining things He knows humans wouldn't get.

There is a concept called infinite regression of things. Which is not possible and which cant be understood by the limited human mind. Infinite regression isnt possible because it still has to point to an infinite source that had no beginning.

What could be this thing or being that had no beginning?

Guess what, the Ahura Mazda of the Avestan is the only God in all religion to give the ultimate origin of everything. He says He is the ultimate source. No beginning before Him.

You cant put that in a test tube


If the Romans adopted Zoroastrianism as the state religion and imposed it on the empire and subsequently colonised Africa you would be saying the above instead. There is nothing unique about Christianity aside from the way it spreads like a disease. Your religion is neither true, special or original.

tonididdy:
Did you wrestle them? Why are you bleeding?

You haven't been robbed before? They will do anything to make sure you 'cooperate' in handing over your valuables and don't tell the police.

tyup:
You'll never hear things like this in the North.....later one mumu smwia wee be telling me the North is not civilised, If this is the type of civilization Ipobs wan2 give us then we don't want

Who wants to steal from his fellow impoverished neighbours in the North? They would rather go around killing farmers and kidnapping in the south.

Jeromejnr:
1. Ancient Greece was way after the babylonian times. So Atheism is fairly new.

2. You went off tangent with your last statement with the video.

3. Theory of evolution is a theory not a fact, still heavily under study. And scientists are divided on the issue. Especially biological scientist who study DNA and the process of natural selection.

4. As for Church and state affairs, you speak of only Rome.(that is another argument for another time). Most of education and what we call science did not originate from Rome.

5. Stem cell research is late science that does not concern whether the Church is in power of state affairs or not.

6. As for your last statment again, Of course there will be religious people who do not apply logic in some matters. It doesn't negate anything. Afterall, there are many Atheists who believe everything came from nothing.

You clearly didn't read my post properly

1, How has something that has been around for 3000 years which is half of recorded history fairy new?

2. It seems you didn't read my comment properly. This priest believes that holding crosses will cause Covid-19 to disappear. Of course this is pure nonsense yet this would be what the church had been endorsing for centuries.

3. The idea that germs spread disease is also a theory, gravity is also a theory, the earth orbiting the sun is a theory. It seems you don't understand the definition of theory within the scientific community.

4. The church had a large amount of wealth, influence as it was intertwined with the politics and Royalty of Europe since the late the Roman Empire. Whatever research undertaken needed the funding and approval of the Church unless the researcher wanted to be branded a heretic.

5. If you read my comment well you would see that I am giving an example of modern science that would be hindered if the church was as influential over the state as it was in the past.

6. Finally religion does not require logic just obedience. This is why amazing claims and are accepted wholesale as truth. Asking for proof of supernatural claims are seen as wrong in the Bible. I have a question for you where did God come from because I'm sure you know as much about that as the average atheist?

Jeromejnr:
Einstein was not an Atheist Sir. And he wasnt a founding father of modern science. (See his quote in the screenshot below)

Secondly, you didnt read the link you posted. Its says the greeks built their science on the foundations of the babylonians and Egyptians. And out of that came Greek philosophers like Aristotle e.t.c your link also ended up with some of Greek science methods being flawed.

Like I said earlier those who started the science of old, belived in Gods as shown in the link you posted. There were no Atheists in Babylonian and Old Egyptian times. Please do a research on the history of Atheism.

Also, your talk on the advancement of science without the Church has no basis.

Lastly, wikipedia is not a source of credible information when it comes to scientific debates. So always get links from elsewhere. (Especially scientific journals or press releases).

I never said Einstein was an atheist I said he wasn't Christian.

You also didn't read in the same article that Aristotle first philosopher who developed a systematic study of logic?
Of course the early ideas were not accurate but they gave the foundations of science you attribute to the Church. Many claims endorsed by the church such as Geocentricism were proven to be false yet you are awfully silent about them.

If you research about the history of atheism you would know that such thinking was present since the time of ancient Greece.

Once churches had been separated from controlling state affairs and education was available to all science advanced. If the church was still in charge of everything there would be no stem cell research and no theory of evolution because they contradict Catholic teachings. We would only be allowed to talk about the things the church permits.
Worse still is we could have idiots like this who believe religious processions cure disease.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgHCn702qg

Of course you say Wikipedia isn't a valid source of information but a picture of a quote is. You do realize that the articles have citations in them?

Babatunde40:
The solution to boko haram in Nigeria is Very Very simple.

Put a law: Death by hanging for any boko haram sympathizer. You will see how boko haram will end

If you pity boko haram, you die by hanging

If you celebrate their actions because of your religion, you die by hanging

If you leak information to them, you die by hanging

If you fund boko haram, you die by hanging

If you supply food or items or fuel to boko haram, you die by hanging

Every form of boko haram sympathizers die by hanging

You will see how boko haram will end

What about if you defend Boko Haram on nairaland?

Jeromejnr:
Okay, from your statements, I have seen something, you are also one of those guys I debate with who love to talk without showing references to back up your claims.

You have been wrong about science disproving the bible, the Greeks (The Greeks were not known for science but were literary scholars and philosophers), even the opposing of the Catholic church and science- When we had Da Vinci, Tycho Brahe, Copernicus, Rene Descartes, Kepler e.t.c who were Catholics and also fathers of modern science.

You now went off the diving board with the generalization and assumptions of your last statement.

Why then should I continue this discourse??

Didn't I reference miraculous healing of the Bible you said didn't exist?

With Christians they demand so much that we disprove things they said when we ask for them to give evidence. When they do give evidence it is always the Bible and very bad science and history.

Your claims of Greeks not being scientists can be easily disproved with a simple search

https://www.ancient.eu/Greek_Science/

You seem to be ignorant of the fact that being an atheist was a very quick way to get killed or exiled in the past. Plus the Catholic Church controlled a large amount of money and garnered the interest literate people. If you weren't on good terms with the church your ideas would be deemed as heresy just ask Galileo.

Just look at the rapid advancements in science once the church wasn't in charge of everything.

Have a look at these atheist scientists who are responsible for a lot of the modern science we use today.
Einstein was not a Christian.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_in_science_and_technology

Jeromejnr:
Because you have not seen a miracle doesn't mean others havent seen Mr. Man.

One of the scriptures I quoted there has already answered your question.

And until you can prove that not a single soul in the whole world has encountered a miracle from God, then you don't have an argument.

And you talk of science as if it somehow denies the existence of God and it separates itself from God. When all science does is try to understand the "how" of the laws of the universe put in place by an intelligent mind.

Btw, when the science of old started, there were no irreligious humans. All believed in a certain higher being or beings which ushered them into all manner discoveries as some tried to combine that with what they called magic.

If we are talking of modern science, then that was also started by Christians.

So mentioning science and its discoveries does not help the argument against a God.

I only need repeatable and testable evidence that faith healing works. So far there has been none aside from the tales by the moonlight you expect me to swallow from your religious texts. If I were to think this way about everything then any mythical story would be treated as valid until disproved. Can you disprove that Jack and the beanstalk?

Science has shown that many of the claims in the bible are false and not more valid than the claims of other religions. The 7 day creation story and great flood were shown to be nothing more than myths.

Science was started by the Greeks not Christians. Modern science was started during the Age of Enlightenment where scholars opposed the dogmatic reasoning of the Catholic Church.

Even today Christians deny science of evolution,astronomy, 5G and stem cell research. Belief in the supernatural does not follow the scientific processes just adults in dresses playing make believe under the guise of 'having faith'.

patriotic007:
This covid 19 pandemic issue in Nigeria is not clear to me
1)Why is it that politician are the ones bringing out the figures? At least we should be briefed by a well known doctor on what they are going through, the dangers health workers are passing through in attending to this large numbers of allegedly infected people,And what they need in order to perform their duties.
2)Why is it that no single clip or pics of this covid-19 patients on sick beds or ICU beds has surfaced on the media space in Nigeria, the way we see it on CNN and other foreign media instead of showing us chats of yellow green and red.
3)Where are the dead covid-19 patients buried? And. Why don't they show their remains been moved from the hospital like we see in other countries that really have this covid-19.
4)Why do some states have the same figure of infected people for more than a week now?does it mean that the first case didn't interact with anyone at all.?
5)Why haven't we heard of a single health worker been infected yet in Nigeria with our weak health care system and insufficient protective kits,or is it not the health workers taking care of the large figures of infected people?

1.The NCDC headed by Dr. Chikwe Ihekweazu are the ones bringing out the figures.

2. There are videos of patients online and discharged patients have told their stories.

3. That one I'm not sure about.

4. They aren't testing enough people or are waiting for symptoms to manifest before testing and treatment.

5. Dr Aliyu Yakubu has died and The Chief Medical Director at the University College Hospital Professor Jesse Otegbayo, has recovered from coronavirus

Jeromejnr:
1 Tim 5:23

Maty 15:38

Rom 11:20

Like 4: 25_29

Deuteronomy 24:8-9

Lastly, read the whole book of Numbers.

So what you are telling me is that science works. Alcoholic beverages were mixed with water to prevent disease for thousands of years. These practices are not unique to Christianity. I am however yet to see the miracles reproduced for all to see.

Jeromejnr:
Well, the God or the type of Christianity you are speaking of, I dont know if you created them in your mind.

You should get a hold of a bible and gain more understanding on these matters.

1 Kings 17:17-24

2nd Kings 5:14.

Matt 9:19-21.

Acts 3:6-10.

Luke 5:17.

Jeromejnr:
Silly questions.

The clothes that Christian's wore in the bible, did God sew it for them?

Those who recovered in their houses did ventilators and PPE cure them?

Since they believe in the efficacy of prayer they should have prayed for the people choking on mucus hoping that God in his infinite mercy will heal them without ventilators like they did in the Bible.

If miraculous healing was real no Christian would be living with AIDS.

And some people will use it to cook and be licking fingers that the soup is sweet. They don't know they are eating epo ile.

Pilot007:
God is on the throne, he remains the same ever faithful and ever loving to the extent that you have been counted worthy to be among the living.

So people who suffer and die aren't loved by God or worthy of living?

Jeromejnr:
The recovered as a result of their immune system which was created by God.

Please do research on how patients recover.

And the ventilators keeping them alive did God manufacture them? The protective equipment preventing other infections what about them?

Jobless fellow looking for relevance.