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agaugust:
The Southie `pilot fighter` is posting man-portable shoulder carried 10 km range radar, foot walking soldiers have become ISTAR aeroplane in South Africa o !
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I told you that you don't know what is ISTAR. Those equipments are used in conjunction with ISTAR to make it complete suit. Unlike your ground forces who will have to rely on their radios for target acquisition. You even did not have simple basic radios. I wonder if you managed to procure them.

stillchris:
go back and read my comment you replied to again, then come back qnd read your response.

you'll realize your brain is getting older than your age.

and your ground radar is in no way up to Nigeria's ATR-2 or any ISTAR platforms we have.

you are still behind

Your ATR 42 is just a one eyed slowpoke who is selfish to share information with others. That expense could have procured something better for you that is mostly basic like submarines.

ATR42 is nothing but a wasteful expenditure. It is tantamount to buying luxury for a poor man who is not yet equipped for a bling.

stillchris:
oh.. sorry... i forgot you are a dunce who can't understand simple things.

BBC reporter tobi oladipo and some other Nigerian journalists were taken onboard the ATR when the military was prepping to retake a town frim boko haram.

according to the channels reporter onboardd.." the ATR was relaying cordinates of enemy positions to troops on ground for artillery fire.
that's one.

secondly... Nigeriam military commanders get realtime video coverage at DHQ from one of our ISTAR platforms during the heated battles to reclaim territories.

i have given two instances of Nigeria's operational data link usage.

now be a good boy and give us south african one. not frim news articles.

ode oshi

What does a reporter know about a military stuffs? Of course, the data stations related the information through radios and rather the ground forces did not see the enemy position on the monitors themselves.

In SANDF our ground forces see the enemy themselves in real time on their own monitors. Our ground forces uses cytoons which your poverty stricken forces have none.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-9351/

stillchris:



tanteums from a brat with poor intellectual capacity to engage objectively. what a pity

The truth hurts. Your military looks like someone who lives in a shack or mud house yet is dressed in Italian fashion and drives a flashy car.

In the whole of Africa there is no African as wasteful as a Nigerian. Any scrap or advanced tech presented on them they would fall for it without having done feasibility study to test if they have all the facilities needed to procure a certain tech. All that they enjoy is spend and spend, over and over. They just look like a destitute and poor family that would want to own Porsche or Lambogini even when the conditions does not allow them to do so. They should master Maslow's hierarchy of needs by heart. They will want to boast satellites and ISTAR when they do not have basics, things that they will require to physically tackle BH.

Nigeria's ATR42 does not benefit military at all, it was just another wasteful transaction. When it sees the enemy, it cannot relate the information to other systems in real time. When it sees the enemy, F7s and other platforms cannot see anything and unfortunately it will have to communicate with ground stations in order to locate the enemy which is very time consuming. By the time it gets to the enemies' position, it would find the enemy already disappeared through thin air.

stillchris:
and the sad thing is that your comment comes off like a wounded spoilt dumb brat with brain drain problem.

having accepted the obvious, you resort to this pettiness. smh

ATR42 without tactical data link that integrate other platforms cannot communicate with other systems in real time and warn them about BH activities. You must have been a fool with acquiring such a tech without a dedicated tactical data link. What a loss!! If mighty Egypt cannot do it because they do not have data link, what of a stupidd Nigeria?

SA is the only country on the continent that can make their ISTAR to be perfectly integrated with all their platforms in real time because they developed their own tactical data link that can as well as today access LINK 11 of NATO.

Henry120:
The ATR-42 and J-10B would the perfect match made in heaven.

J-10B, Rafale, Eurofighter typhoon, F-16 block 60 and SU-35 are all the same class of fighters.

What about Gripen E?

agaugust:
Actually from Cape Town to Cairo, NO air force has ISTAR power to compare with NAF ATR-42 Surveyor, no close rival !

Egypt and Algeria only have older 1980s Beechcraft for ISTAR, Egypt has E-2 Hawkeye for AWACS, it cannot do real ATR-42`s job.

ALL AFRICA bows to NAF ATR-42 surveyor....mighty surveyor with 407 km radar range , Nigeria is in the big league of world super powers !
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ISTAR does not give you power over another fully fledged military other than just militia groups. All those countries which still possess older tech in respect of ISTAR will all harass Nigeria in a battle. They will defeat you with your luxurious ATR42 and turn you into their slaves.

stillchris:
hahahahahahahahahaha.... i wasn't wrong about this guy.

i wish i could reason like a retardd so i can give proper retardedd response to this retardedd comment.

so you have stylishly admitted that Nigeria has a more advanced ISTAR capability than SA. . so what's the argument again?

SA has ISTAR too so what is your case man?

stillchris:
even if the sentinel is better, south africa still doesn't match Nigeria in that category.

if you do... state the platforms... that simple

We have thousands of categories for which we are far better than NAF. Tell me do you have 4th gen fighters? Submarines? Frigates? Tactical data link? etc.

The sad thing is that ATR cannot see villages being ransacked by BH everyday. They cannot see pirates who are stealing oil in Nigeria's shores everyday.

Patchesagain:
Are you saying that the ATR42 is on the same level as the Sentinel?

ATR is nothing but just a bloody maritime patrol aircraft (MP).

lionel4power:
Saaf gripen doesnt have the endurance of a dedicated platform. A gripen is a multirole aircraft, if you want to do istar you will have to sacrifice things like weapons payload, fuel carriage, higher crew workload. E.t.c plus short time on station. The gripen can only dash in and out of the theather to re fuel or rearm. Look below for istar king of Africa.

Clearly you have shown how illiterate you are with military hardwares.

agaugust:
Citation needed !
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Your master Eeben Barlow also knows that SADC was using ELINT from yesteryears when Nigeria was still a bush. you only started acquiring that capability yesterday but you already want to compete with your master. We don't run to Europe just to that, we have hundred of companies locally that can do that.

http://eebenbarlowsmilitaryandsecurityblog..com/2010/07/counter-terrorist-magazine.html?m=1

agaugust:
The Southies think any aircraft with radar is an ISTAR aircraft, even if it is a transport helicopter

Boeing 747 of KLM airlines has radar, so it is now ISTAR according to South African 33% brain calculations
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Any aircraft integrated with radar and surveillance cams that can effectively communicate with ground stations can do ISTAR. positive.

agaugust:
NAF Mi-35 Hind E has all those your hardware too, so does that make it an ISTAR platform ?

Electronic warfare is NOT same as ISTAR you domingo ! Almost every military jet fighter and helicopter has EW hardware on board.

Odenson

Mi-35 is standard you fool.

agaugust:
Yes ! NAF is equal in ISTAR to USAF, RAF, we are world class !

LOL....LOLZ...My sides South Africans don't know about Multi-Mission ISTAR....too advanced for a Soweto brain

Actually the British air force is now upgrading her own Sentinel ISTAR aircraft to do maritime patrol like Nigerian air force ATR-42.

South Africans know NOTHING about ISTAR, their race and generations have NEVER seen one such aircraft

Let me educate you 50 million Southies in the village nation of ANC. You see, powerful countries like Nigeria, China, Britain, etc do buy ISTAR aircraft for land patrol or maritime patrol initially, then later do upgrade and add the other capacity to get the aircraft to be perfect on land and sea operations, it is called MULT-MISSION ISTAR you South African born fooooools !

NAF has upgraded our ATR-42 Maritime to now do perfect land ISTAR plus sea ISTAR, upgrade done in Britain.

RAF of Britain is now upgrading their own land ISTAR, the Sentinel, to do maritime ISTAR after Nigeria advanced ahead of them.

"The United Kingdom is to begin the process of upgrading its fleet of Raytheon Sentinel R.1 Airborne Stand-Off Radar (ASTOR) surveillance aircraft to conduct maritime operations in mid-2015, the government disclosed on 24 October.The news that work to upgrade the Sentinel R.1's maritime capabilities will soon begin, the RAF is looking to introduce enhanced capabilities to the surveillance aircraft to turn it into a true multi-mission platform."

http://www.janes.com/article/45057/uk-to-upgrade-sentinel-r-1s-for-maritime-operations

That is why Nigerian ATR-42 became multi-mission ISTAR aircraft perfected for maritime war and land war, that's why NAF wrecked Boko Haram as Nigeria controlled the entire battle-fields the size of Scotland, from the air !

That is how Nigeria will delete the SANDF in battle from 330 km away !

All 50 million South Africans have learnt from a Nigerian free web education classroom again today o !

NAF = USAF =RAF = PLAAF in ISTAR....we play with super powers !

GAME OVER.....See Nigerian air force ISTAR power below
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Bragging with ISTAR partial air link without any integration of the system on all your platforms. If I were you I would have been ashamed because the whole world see you as a fool to boast that technology without a dedicated tactical data link.


NAF ISTAR <US and UK because their system are all integrated in one unit that communicate with all their platforms as a unit.

agaugust:
Bwahahahaha

Humble pie shoved down your throat again !

Do you see any source that says Nigeria has Automatic Grenade Launchers ? No source, but does Nigeria have it? Yes !

Any proof? PHOTO EVIDENCE !

Smart people know what an AGL looks like, same way smart people know what ELINT dome looks like and it's location.

NAF ATR-42 Surveyor has ELINT dome, PHOTO EVIDENCE proves it, go kiss a frog tonight, it's Friday




I already did...MikeZAR eating humble pie for weekend, it's Friday bashing here

The British Sentinel dome on top of fuselage is NOT radar, it's ELINT SATCOM hardware dome, confirmed by military sources :

"The modifications include a canoe-shaped radome under the forward fuselage to house the radar antenna, a radome on the upper fuselage to house the SATCOM antenna."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/astor/


Next time, remember that radars for ISTAR aircraft are under fuselage, not above it like AWACS, MikeCAR Olodo

The Nigerian ATR-42 upgrade put the dome, ELINT dome on top fuselage like the British and Chinese airforce.

South Africa can go try put a dome on their C-47 Dakota and lets see all the 50 year old aluminium aircraft fall into pieces

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C-47 has been doing ELINT when Nigeria was still a bush

lionel4power:
mumu instead of you to accept that saaf lacks ELINT, ISTAR Capabilities. So if ISTAR is just a mere mission why did the UK and NATO constructed an ISTAR only aircraft? And why do they operat the watchkeeper dedicated istar UAV

South African defence companies designs ELINT and ISTAR equipments. Who the hell are you to ever insinuate that SA lack all that capability.

MikeCZAR:
There's more!

Yep, I know, I just wanted to prove that stupidd called henry wrong

Henry120:
Your world war II aircrafts have no such capability. Prove it, punk!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force


Just look what is under electronic warfare

We are using Orynx EW and C-47TP

Henry120:
You do not have any. Only Nigeria has them.

This stupidd is so obsessed with his surveillance aircraft such that he would think is the only aircraft in Africa that is ELINT compliant. SA has been doing ELINT with their C-47TP when Nigeria was just a bush all over.

Henry120:
South-Africa has no Elint compliant aircraft, only Nigeria has those in SSA.

Your beegeagle confirmed it already, so your argument will not help you.

MikeCZAR:
Modern aircraft have data links but Nigeria doesn't have a tactical data link.

Aircraft like the ATR-42MP have a data link and come with it but don't have a tactical data link.

A tactical data link will be needed to further integrate it with other platforms. Well it comes with its own data link to ground stations but the data will further need to be spread across all other platforms through the use of tactical data link.

Hence, Nigerias ISTAR is only restricted to one channel only

Henry120:
Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

So, is your beegeagle dreaming when they say this as highlighted below in italics:

I quote:


At this time, only Nigeria, South Africa and Angola
possess any ELINT capabilities across the said region



https://beegeagle./2014/04/15/both-nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-planes-now-elint-compliant/

agaugust:
Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
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Your F7 do not have recce pods. Show us your F7s recce pods.

agaugust:
Dedicated ISTAR aircraft is what Nigeria has !

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?

"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Why don't Nigeria use F-7 jets recce pods instead of spending $120 million on ATR-42 aircraft for ISTAR ?

ISTAR aircraft don NOT use tiny Recce pods, they use GIANT SIZE RADOME....see under the belly of NAF ISTAR.....and show me such in SAAF !
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Your obsolete jaguar never had recce pods or else I will ask you to provide evidence.

I can see that it is not long that you have come to know about ISTAR no wonder you are all places about this acronym as if you are speaking the language of heaven.

South Africa has ISTAR capability even without maritime surveillance aircraft. To do ISTAR is not a rocket science in Mzansi as we are a military technological giant in Africa.

We have a tactical data link and you have none. Your ISTAR capability is a waste because your platforms are not integrated. Your scrappy F7s do not see what your precious ATR-42 surveyor sees, so tell me how does it help you? SANDF has a dedicated militaty surveillance satellite and you have a big [size=20]ZERO[/size]

SANDF ISTAR cytoons.

agaugust:
No, SAAF has NO ISTAR capability, what you have is ordinary Recce.

F-7 jets carries Recce pod, does that make a jet fighter an ISTAR aircraft? No !

So NAF can call our F-7 jets ISTAR aircraft? Why did we buy ATR-42 and Beechcraft 350ER ?

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?


"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

[size=13pt]Recce pods do NOT make ISTAR aircraft, many jet fighters all over the world carry Recce pods and nobody is calling them ISTAR aircraft.....[/size]

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF, your toy Recce pods works on our old 1980s Jaguar jets

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You and other hundred military writers have the tendency of referring to maritime surveillance as ISTAR aircrafts. That is wrong but I will have to admit that it is what is used for.


ISTAR is a task rather than an aircraft, just like you would refer to "eating" as a task of replenishing your energy level. ISTAR is as well a task of studying the battle field.

Just because you don't have a spoon in the house does not mean you cannot do a simple task as eating, there is always a substitution. That translate to ISTAR duties as well. Since SANDF has a data link it can always perform such tasks with the use of recce pods as we have seen with NATO forces in Libya.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/


https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/thales-reveals-project-cytoon-another-milestone-its-association-south-african-national

SAAB offer India to fly gripen E jets.


http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/sweden-offers-gripen-jet-to-india/