NaijaPikinGidi: Do you ever reason before you type crap with those itchy fingers of yours? Nissan, Toyota, Ford, etal assembly/production lines will be set up according to Nigerian automobile laws just enacted. Parent companies will set up directly in Nigeria. You make me laugh at more of your stupidity carried over from last year !
Lies!! I have known of this subject before it could even come to your ears. It was broadcast on the news in SA. Your president begged SA based Toyota in Durban to open a branch in Nigeria. Your branches will be controlled by SA based plants. Bet with me for that.
Airforce: 26 Gripens with 6 competent pilots? That's an Airforce with no force! It's a dead one, against a highly mobile and battle hardened Nigerian Airforce with surplus pilots capable of flying our range of airframes! Nigeria holds the edge!
Navy: No need. Agaugust has given a fairly good insight! Submarines will be useless against a Nigeria Nigerian Navy. Four frigates, three submarines? you only think NNS Aradu? What can your slow crafts do against an existing array of Nigerian Navy ships http://www.navy.mil.ng/Ships , fast moving Shaldag and Manta boats, and our due to arrive stealth ships that you failed to highlight? I am unable to speak beyond this . However, this thread holds info that paints a tantalizing picture of the capacity of our Nigerian Navy to sink whatever floats in the name of your SA Navy.
Army: This is a no brainier! Come stand in the way and we'll show you exactly how our "eastern weapons" kill and destroy enemy forces with lethal marksmanship! Our war records and battle wins speak volumes. Your SANDF will get a resounding beating from a better and regularly tested NA. The rest of your talk is as usual child talk.
I expected something more empirical and not this crap you dumped on yourself.
South African Airforce has 8 Griffin instructors with plenty of pilots who can fly and operate Griffins. We also have plenty more who can fly Hawks and Rooivalks. We have a pool of pilots in our reserve forces who left for greener pastures but still serve SAAF on part time bases.
NNS Arandu and Thunder can never defeat our four powerful and heavily armed frigates and submarines. Our submarines are always given cover by our frigates against anti-submarine operations which will prove difficult in the presence of frigates well armed with GIWS guns and SAMissiles.
Nigerian Army is one of the poorly equipped armies in Africa. It will never match our firepower and equipments.
This is what I have been talking about, since from friday that the government of Nigeria pay soldiers and police peanuts without benefits. If you are a soldier in Nigeria it is a well known fact that if you are killed in war your family you leave behind is bound to suffer and live on hand outs.
agaugust: ah ! buffoon, sit down there brother, naija is just playing south africa.
since we are smarter than you are, we just manipulate you anyhow we like.
read your own source again, and i will add this for you...
1. south africa too does NOT produce any commercial vehicle like nigeria, BMW, FORD, etc just set up factories in south africa.
2. nigeria too has just signed deal with TOYOTA, NISSAN and FORD to open full factories in nigeria from now and to make nigeria number one in africa.
"Oct 9 (Reuters) - The Renault-Nissan Alliance and West African conglomerate Stallion Group have signed a preliminary agreement to start vehicle assembly in Nigeria and potentially create a major Nissan manufacturing hub for Africa."
"As a part of the project, Nissan will expand Stallion’s facility in Lagos, aiming at annual production capacity of 45,000 vehicles, involving a range of cars including light duty trucks, pickups and vans.
It is believed the first car, probably a Nissan patrol SUV, will leave the Nigerian production line in the march of 2014."
be joking and fooling yourself, nigeria has now overtaken south africa in GPD as the new largest economy in africa.
nigeria just overtook south africa in cement production as new top ranking in africa
"Nigeria has beaten South Africa as the biggest cement manufacturer in sub-Saharan Africa (SSA), making it the third-largest in the broader Middle East, only lagging behind Egypt and Saudi Arabia, a 2013 research by Renaissance Capital has revealed.
Nigeria’s current industry capacity surpassed the 20mn tpa mark, reaching 28mnt, well above South Africa’s production of 18.3 metric tonnes per annum (tpa)."
naija is beating soweto blue black and you are laughing, fool, better go wake up, ko tete lo soji, soji bobo...wake up !
how many will i write ? nigeria is rapidly overtaking south africa in everything except HIV AIDS and R.APE
Toyota, Nissan and Ford which you have mentioned above are all foreign owned South African based Auto-mobiles which Jonathan invited to the meeting so that they can invest in Nigeria during his visit in SA.
South Africa has many more, including Mercedes Benz, VolksWagen, GWM, Cherry, Hyundai and many more.
rka1: Now this is from someone who hasn't got anything more to say . You obviously have no idea of the competition for places to enlist in the Nigerian Armed Forces .
Even somebody who hasn't gone to school can become a soldier in Nigeria.
ZDee: Even though i might not agree with gayism, this is too horrific, worse the useless & illiterate Nigerian police are doing nothing. Nigerians truly hate gays even though they like viewing them online. . so the guy who claimed nigerians don't harass gays and 99% don't want to see men kissing is lying, because nigerian are the top gay porn viewers online.
Truly, we share the same sentiments. I also do not advocate homosexuality but the way they are treated in Nigeria is really uncalled for. Is this really the country that want to assume the permanent seat in security council of the UN? If so, why cant they act as an example.
Henry120: Nobody goes about harassing gays and lesbians publicly in nigeria as is the case in south-africa. We (99% of us) can bear the sight of a man kissing another man.
The government of SA does not support harrassment of gay people and has even allowed for their marriages. In Nigeria, the government even harasses them and the worst of it all in Northern Nigeria they are being stoned to death.
agaugust: ah ! buffoon, sit down there brother, naija is just playing south africa. since we are smarter than you are, we just manipulate you anyhow we like. read your own source again, and i will add this for you... 1. south africa too does NOT produce any commercial vehicle like nigeria, BMW, FORD, etc just set up factories in south africa. 2. nigeria too has just signed deal with TOYOTA, NISSAN and FORD to open full factories in nigeria from now and to make nigeria number one in africa. "Oct 9 (Reuters) - The Renault-Nissan Alliance and West African conglomerate Stallion Group have signed a preliminary agreement to start vehicle assembly in Nigeria and potentially create a major Nissan manufacturing hub for Africa." http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/09/nissan-stallion-idUSL6N0HZ0W020131009 "As a part of the project, Nissan will expand Stallion’s facility in Lagos, aiming at annual production capacity of 45,000 vehicles, involving a range of cars including light duty trucks, pickups and vans. It is believed the first car, probably a Nissan patrol SUV, will leave the Nigerian production line in the march of 2014." http://eandt.theiet.org/news/2013/oct/nigeria-nissan.cfm 3. nigeria has a chinese company prodcuing cars already in nigeria, new factory opened. 4. Innoson company has been producing vehicles in nigeria and they built the airframe for nigerian Gulma drone http://afripol.org/afripol/item/176-president-jonathan-opens-first-private-car-plant-in-nigeria.html be joking and fooling yourself, nigeria has now overtaken south africa in GPD as the new largest economy in africa. nigeria just overtook south africa in cement production as new top ranking in africa "Nigeria has beaten South Africa as the biggest cement manufacturer in sub-Saharan Africa (SSA), making it the third-largest in the broader Middle East, only lagging behind Egypt and Saudi Arabia, a 2013 research by Renaissance Capital has revealed. Nigeria’s current industry capacity surpassed the 20mn tpa mark, reaching 28mnt, well above South Africa’s production of 18.3 metric tonnes per annum (tpa)." naija is beating soweto blue black and you are laughing, fool, better go wake up, ko tete lo soji, soji bobo...wake up ! how many will i write ? nigeria is rapidly overtaking south africa in everything except HIV AIDS and R.APE http://www.pearltrees.com/#/N-fa=5138372&N-s=1_5169556&N-u=1_646769&N-p=96927406&N-f=1_5169556&N-play=2 https://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/12/03/04/40/2010_nissan_pathfinder-pic-31507834834760915.jpeg
What matters the most is SA is industrialised and Nigeria which is smarter by your words is not. Fact!!!!
Henry120: Listen guy, nigeria does not put people in jail for been gay. The bill( not yet law) on gay marriage is not for been gay, but "gay marriage". I mean, why would a grown man be fvcking another grown man in his anus. 98% of nigerians refuse to see a grown man passionately kissing another grown man in public. Besides, lesbians in south-africa get rap.ed repeatedly by your illiterate male population, with a belief that the rap.e would make them change their sexual orientation. Savagery!!!! Now, if the west wants nigeria to legalise "faggism", the west should also legalise polygamy.
Still Nigeria is harsh when it comes to Gays andd lesbians.
Fynline: “The Managing Director/CEO, Proforce Limited, Mr. Adetokunbo Ogundeyin, says the new automotive policy recently introduced by the Federal Government is the best decision for the nation’s economy now. In this interview with AkinTUNDE Akinwale, Ogundeyin also explained why his company went into armoured vehicles production and the recent partnership with the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DICON). Excerpts.
Why did you go for the production of armoured vehicles? What has happened over the years is that the level of insecurity is on a very high level. When you look at armed robbery, you will see that it is on a very high level. I happened to be in Kuwait sometime ago, and people were looking for a company that would partner them, to market their products, and at that particular moment, it dawned on me that I did not want to be a go-between; I wanted to be a manufacturer. So we teamed up with some Colombians to set up Proforce in 2008. That was actually how we started the company. And the reason we founded the company, like I said, was due to the high level of insecurity in the country and all over the world. Nigeria is not isolated on this, because when you look at it, the same thing is happening in many countries across the world.
Why did you not go for importing? Due to my passion for innovation and my training as an engineer, I do not believe that trading is the way forward. We engineers believe that trading does not build up the economy of any country but innovative manufacturing and application of latest technology. Manufacturing is the heartbeat of any economy and without manufacturing that economy will be stagnant and potentially collapse under external global market pressures. Trading is just a short-term engagement. Manufacturing is long-term, and the more companies you have manufacturing, the greater the foundation of the economy of that country because of the jobs and wealth created. So, that was why we went into manufacturing and, of course, it gives me so much joy and pride because by manufacturing, we design and build our products; and this is done by Nigerians thereby developing expertise and capacity. We are creating jobs for Nigerians. We are saving for the country a lot of foreign exchange and are even earning foreign exchange for the country by exporting. You can imagine the amount of joy you have when you see your products in other countries all over the world and it is made in Nigeria. It enhances Nigeria’s good image all over the world.
But, then apart from that, when you are talking about defence, in Africa, it is only South Africa that has gone into this type of business, and we believe that we can do better. We believe that Nigerians have what it takes. We believe that Nigerians are intelligent and hardworking; Nigerians are focused and forward thinking; they know how to go about things. They are very sharp thinkers. So we believe that by the time we tap into these great qualities of Nigerians, we should be able to produce better products than what they make in South Africa, and we are on the way. We are on our way, because when you look at the level of patronage and the level of confidence that is being built in a lot of our clients that approach us, you will agree with me. They can see the vehicles that are built abroad; they can see the quality of things done abroad. They can see that Nigeria has been used as a dumping ground, and when they see what we are doing and the quality of the finish, they are impressed. We are gradually building confidence in a lot people. Our quality control department is doing a great job in that respect. I thank most of the people working there, because it is a collective effort to project Nigeria as the number one defence products manufacturing country in the world.
But some people think that Nigeria is not investment -friendly, due to policy inconsistency, which has resulted in many companies folding up… About policies that keep on changing, it is not only in Nigeria that this happens. It is all over the world that it happens. What we have tried to do is that we try to run a very lean organization. Number two is that we practice the Jugaad management method. In the Jugaad method, we don’t waste money. We are not top-heavy at all, and we spend a lot of money on training and on research and development. That is the core of any business concern. Yes, a lot of companies have folded up, but a lot of these companies wasted a lot of money by being top heavy and lacking basic efficiency practices. They wasted money on other things. We have plugged all such holes, and what we have also done is that we try to run the place with minimal overheads, because when you start producing volume, then you can make your money, and it will sustain you.
What exactly do you produce in your Ode Remo plant, and can the quality standard be compared with similar products elsewhere in the world? We make a lot of tactical vehicles, cash-in-transit vans; infantry combat vehicles, armoured patrol boats, Unmanned Arial Vehicles (UAV’s) and architectural armouring. We are now putting together a prototype military tank. Majority of these vehicles are second to none when you look at the quality. We have brought in expatriates that have a combined 70 years experience in armoring, and these are people who were the top guys where they were working before. They have transferred the technology to Nigerians who are coming up seriously fast. In fact, we have a couple armoured personnel carriers (APCs) that the Nigerian team put together and when you look at the quality of the finish, you can match it in quality with the APC’s the expatriate team made.
So, gradually, what is happening is that the Nigerians are taking over, and one day the expatriates will leave it to Nigerians. But I can assure you that our products are just as good as all the products that are imported into Nigeria. Moreover, all we defence products manufacturers import raw materials from the same select group of companies such as glass from the same world leading Armoured Glass company in Peru. Likewise, we all import steel from the same company. The type of welding we do is mig-welding – the expertise of welding two ballistic metals together. If there is a joint, there could be a weak area. So we have perfected the mig-welding because of the presence of the expatriates that we have around, who have transferred that technology to the Nigerians.
We have independently tested most of the different parts. They are all tested in ballistic laboratories in Germany and we are putting together a process of taking the vehicle as a whole for testing in Germany too. Apart from that, even the drive of most of our vehicles is different; because of our environment, the suspensions are made to suit our roads. We test some of these vehicles on our roads. We test some of these vehicles on our test track. We are putting up a mega test-track, but for now, the vehicles are tested on the test track we have. Some of the vehicles are amphibious going through deep waters. We are putting together a military tank that is combat-ready.
What is your recent MoU with the Defence Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DICON) all about? We signed an MoU (memorandum of understanding) with DICON to build a lot of military APCs in their Bauchi plant. The Bauchi plant has been comatose for years. I think it was built over 20 years, and not much has happened there. So, they want us to make use of it on a PPP (public private partnership) basis and start building military tanks. Just as we are building here, we will be building over there too. Nothing is as good as that, because what it means is that the country as a whole will now look inward. I can tell you one thing: No army anywhere in the world goes out to fight without having its own equipment built in its own country, because if you are unlucky to have your equipment built in a country where an aggression is coming from, then you are in trouble. So, you are to have your own home-grown equipment, not equipment being built by one country and supplied to you. No. We have more than enough expertise to build these things here. We are building them in Ode- Remo. You need to go there and see what we are doing there.
So, we don’t need any expatriate to say they want to come and start building anything again for us. Many countries have realized that Proforce is number one, that Proforce is on the move. At the rate at which we are going, we will overtake a lot of countries within a short time, and that is the drive we have.
You once tested your APC with policemen on board as shots were being fired with AK 47. Was there any incident, and how did the vehicle perform?
GH^KWAME: Does China and Russia(who are both on the permanent seats of the security council) support gay marriages?
Russia, yes decriminilised it in 1993 and China recognise same-same activities. They do not put them in jail like in Nigeria and even sentence them to death.
Do Russia and China support gay rights? What does it have to do with the security council or being an influencial member of the UN? Do you have a brain at all?
We are not SA that cannot stand it's ground to reject western pressure to endorse gay rights. Cos majority of south Africans are still against it. Period
Russia and China do not put people in Jail for being gays and they do recognise same-sex activities in pivate.
agaugust: i wont repeat page 806 posts. your Umkhonto missile has a very limited altitude of only 10km and CANNOT harm any nigerian F-7 jet or Alpha jet flying at 12km altitude. weapons fight based on their technical limitations not based on the wideness your basket mouth
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Beware, Umkhonto has many varients, from Mk1, Mk2, ER (extended range), etc
GH^KWAME: Sadly, there are people who ignorantly practice a.nal s.ex––i.ntercourse through the a.nus. They confuse the pleasure of this act with the stupidity of this horrendous practice. I wish they knew of the many disadvantages associated with this act. Their ignorance comes with a heavy penalty.
First, the anus has a sphincter muscle that enables it to contract and hold or release faeces during before/during excretion. Continual a.nal s.ex makes this muscle to gradually loose its elasticity, thereby making it difficult for the a.nus to hold faecal matter, if one wishes to.
Secondly, compare the size of an erected p.enis with the size of regular faeces. It becomes obvious that penetration through the a.nus, places the p.enis right inside the rectum. Now, if you recall your biology, the rectum is the “collection-centre” of faeces before it passes it out when the individual is pressed. If the rectum had faeces at that time, anal sex is simply penis grease and rubbing on faeces! Is that what you call fun?
Thirdly, sex in the v.agina cavity is made possible by lots of lubrication secreted by the woman; else friction would make this activity very painful and strenuous. Women, who do not properly lubricate for emotional, physiological, medical or spiritual reasons, will find s.ex unbearable. Now, imagine this, the a.nus has little or no lubrication! It is primarily an exit point, not an entry point! Why are you trying to change the natural use of the body?
Fourthly, the lining of the rectum is not as robust as the lining of the v.agina (imagine that the v.agina can expand for the passage of a baby, but very “tough” faeces can’t pass through the anus). This makes the anus more susceptible to tears and continual s.ex in this region, would lead to tearing, no matter how careful one is. This in turn makes it easier to get infected.
Fifth, if the anus or rectum does get torn, it does not heal as quickly, because it is a “wet” region and easily breeds more bacteria. The a.nus is never completely clean even after a bath. Its susceptibility to infections and such lining tears may lead to other problems such as anal abscess or fistula, which can make transmission of STIs and HIV more likely.
Finally, if the man pulls his p.enis out of the a.nus, and then has v.aginal intercourse, he is basically just transferring faeces from the a.nus to the woman's vulva or v.agina – or bladder. So in the name of love and tighter intercourse, he is donating infections and diseases to his lover. And you are allowing all these? ......... This aint about Rights BRO!
UN support gay marriages , thus you must do what the Romans do in order to assume a permanent seat in security council.
agaugust: south africa was NEVER in the top 10 list of world arms exporters. stop fvcking yourself, it wont make you pregnant
that list of the world's top 20 weapons exporters includes Uzbekistan. what weapons does that country Uzbekistan sell ? Lol !!!
i dont follow tables and list blindly, i use my head. because a white man wrote a list, i wont follow it blindly, i will use my own head too and challenge him. can you show me the weapons Uzbekistan exported ? they are listed number 18 while south africa is number 17 as arms exporters.
the only problem you have with me on this forum is that i use my head a lot
now to the other issues :
nigeria produces weapons on large scale but only for domestic use as at now, i proved that in my post.
south africa exports mostly light and medium vehicles like MRAPs and APCs, even the Badger IFV is imported from Finland.
my point is, DONT OVERATE south africa, you are not as big as you want us to believe. the super powers are the real large scale weapons exporters and south africa CANNOT compete with them. you are a local champion here in Africa, accept it
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South Africa was once in top 10, believe it or not. Here on the link below it stands at no: 17.
agaugust: DICON manufactures tens of thousands of assault rifles, GPMG machine guns, bullet proof vests, Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers, ammunitions/ordnance, and many hundreds of 81mm Mortar artillery and many hundreds of Amoured personnel Carriers especially STEYR 4K-7FA, they also up-armour and up-gun hundreds of Pinzgauer vehicles.
NIGERDOCK up-guns hundreds of nigerian navy gun boats including our stealth combat catamarans.
nigeria has grown bigger than most nigerians even know, so i dont blame a south african for being ignorant.
South African defence industry built only 12 units of Rooivalk helicopters with ZERO export numbers in 25 years, and you exported only 102 units of G6 artillery in 25 years. so how big is your large scale ? like China ?
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South Africa used to be the top 10 arms exporter in the world according to sipri until now recently. It is still on top 20 arms exporter and where is Nigeria?
The problem is that you only put your focus on Denel products. We have a very big defence industry including the springbok in Nigeria.
agaugust: Nigeria too has many defence industries, DICON, AFIT, BADEH AEROSPACE, PROFORCE, NIGERDOCK, and several others
DENEL and ARMCOR themselves dont carry weapons and go to fight war or do they ? manufacturing companies are not soldiers. Lol !!!
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None of the companies you mentioned above is manufacturing weapons on a large scale. SA has over 10 big arms industries which export their weapons on a large scale.
agaugust: south african defence industry is only more advanced than nigeria in missiles, howitzer artillery, drones, and MRAPs.
nigerian defence industry has become more advanced than south africa in sea warfare because nigeria is building the first stealth warship built in africa now, along with our biggest naval ship building/dockyard in all africa.
for small arms, light armoured vehicles, spy equipment, we are almost equal as at now.
for advanced heavy weapons, both countries are importers NOT producers
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Nigeria is not even known as weapon manufacturing country. You can never compare it to SA at all. SA is more advanced than Nigeria in weapon industry at every respect from sea, land to air.
SA only import less than 30% of their military hardware, fact!!!
agaugust: i wont repeat page 806 posts. your Umkhonto missile has a very limited altitude of only 10km and CANNOT harm any nigerian F-7 jet or Alpha jet flying at 12km altitude. weapons fight based on their technical limitations not based on the wideness your basket mouth
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So, what are your jets going to do at 12 km? Absolutely nothing. Dont you even know that we have umkhonto which can even go beyond that range?
Your jets cannot do anything at 12 km, that you know well.
the worst nightmare of modern warships is saturation attack by enemy aircraft that wastes every ship's anti-aircraft missiles, from world war II 1939 to Falkland war 1982, the story has not changed.
south africa has no aircraft carrier to give air cover to its warships on high seas. your navy can be defeated away from home.
ordinary words wont win you a war, let me see you fight !
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Our ships are able to protect themselves from aerial attack without a dogfight. Why would they need an aircraft carrier for? Umkhonto missiles are not Roland missile which you can just manuevre easily. It kicks with a speed of a lightning and soon your jets will glow the skies as if is new year festival.
So please do not bring 1945 theory here and think it is still relevant at this era. Your pilots will call for their early graves by thinking such on their minds
agaugust: If south africa buys more weapons with your usual bank loans, what do you think nigeria will buy ? potatoes and eggs ?
There is one thing you really do not understand about the difference between financing and loans. Banks do not finance countries with smaller budgets yet bigger population like yours.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 8:36pm On Jan 04, 2014
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