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Christians creating confusion for themselves everytime.

What happens to the doctrine of hell if there is grace?

How is it hard for your omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent God to appear in the sky and show himself to mankind. This will stop controversy and doubt about his/her existence once and for all.

If you ignore this and want to stick to your OP......it completely indicates that God is idea created by feeble mind

Elxandre: I am asking this question as a sort of sequel to the thread asking about "how do you prove to atheists that God exists?"
I therefore have a question for Atheists and i want sensible replies
How do you as an atheist explain miracles from your so called logical reasoning
*I have seen a disabled man walk!
*Many others too have once experienced crippled, confirmed blind, deaf,crazed fellows healed.e.t.c
*A man crazed for years and well known was healed by just "in jesus name get out of this body you spirit of madness"

Im very sorry bro. I wont dispute it if those so-called miracles you listed there were stuff you read from testimonial leaflet, watched on tv or it happened in your church. The critice that might arose is that do you investigate these miracles on your own or just belief what you were told?

- for how long do you know the crippled, craze, deaf, or blind man?
- documents containing information about their disabilities.
- questioning suspicious roles
- observing miracle earner or check documents containing information he is healed.

Here is a help on how to check testimony http://www.users.on.net/~pmoran/cancer/how_to_read_a_testimonial.htm

Since you asked for explanation and not disproving..... I will simply say it STAGED WORK OR TRICK OR CONFIRMED VIDEO EDIT

And i'm not a crazy sheepish christian
who swallows anything i hear! i'm as logical as many atheists.
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You are required to try explain these miraculous happenings and not try to disprove them, because they are beyond doubt..*(dont tell me they got their powers from demonic sources because you as an atheist is not expected to beleive in spiritism or spiritual phenomenons.)*

The bold.....you got it wrong. Spirituality is quit different from what religion depict it as. It obvious that religion has stolen spirituality but they are somewhat different and not necessary afflicted together.

Let me help explaining it..... Pls take away the corrupt depiction of spirit as one walking monster that kills, talk, destroy or deliver message from you mind.

This is exactly what spirituality is.

The idea of a process or journey of self-discovery and of learning not only who you are, but who you want to be.

The challenge of reaching beyond your current limits. This can include keeping an open mind, questioning current beliefs, or trying to better understand others' beliefs.

A connectedness to yourself and to others. Spirituality is personal, but it is also rooted in being connected with others and with the world around you. This connection can facilitate you finding "your place in the world."

Meaning, purpose, and direction. Spirituality, while it doesn't necessarily solve or reach conclusions, often embraces the concept of searching and moving forward in the direction of meaning, purpose, and direction for your life.

http://swc.osu.edu/about-us/spirituality/

If you can say the buddhist or Jains are spiritual.....does that mean they believe in God/demon?

You cant rule further on atheist other than disbelief, absence of believe in the existence of God. Hopefully we got some atheist that believe in spirit, extraterrestial, or ghost. You can check it up.....

I cant speak for other atheist as per the bold.....spirit to me isn't what it is to you or some of the atheist......but if you agree the term spirit mean life force, or breath or consciousness or natural patterns that made up minds then I will say yes Im atheist and believe in spirit. But demons or spirit depicted as monsters or some supernatural beings? Nope I dont agree with that

OP.....im not going to dispute the fact that somethings happened in your church or other churches which you cant explain personally. But you should be moved to question things and investigate them critically before you tag them or give a final decision on them. To explain the concept of your miracle stuff.....you should agree with me that there are prophetic schools, evangelicalism schools and miracle/healing schools. These are the things we found in our society. If you dont believe me, you can check the following links:

http://www.cacworldwide.net/schools/seminaryabout.asp

^^^^ thats core school of prophet where you can be taught how to see vision.....read mind, random prophet message and receiving message from deity


another one is
http://www.christembassy.org/site/ourministry/healingschool

^^^^ healing school where you learn how to cast demon, make me fall in disguise of spirit- exorcism and doing cheap miracles.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Babajide-School-Of-Prophets-And-Evangelists-Ilesa-Osun-State-Nigeria/218096108295689?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6740079062

^^^ Evangelism school.......daddy is a good preacher and can move mass at once on stage.....

Hope you see now that they are teaching people how to do miracle, heals, prophesy and evangelism (carry more people at once by drawing attention).

What do you think they teach in this school? These are the place were pastors, prophet and miracle workers are recruit. Basically, we should know that these institute are not theological school or where mathematics and english is taught. What then are they teaching pupils there? I think you should question that.


Let me give sides of this schooling and miracle.


- Intellectual stage work: this one is all set up. all paid actors to do this. until this guy heals someone with say....missing limb or something that theres no possible way you can deny it, then believe it. until then its just a fraud trying to get money and fame. you may say "oh he doesnt accept money for this!" guess what.. yes he does. how? he "heals" people. people come to his church. they request tithes and offerings as all churchs do. more people = more church income = more personal payments. Its called acting dont believe it unless it happened to you especially stuff on videos and those they do from crusades. Remember, "god" is nothing more than a nonsense word created by man to explain away all of the things we can't yet understand.
Religion is a disease of the mind, born of fear, which has done nothing but bring untold misery down upon the human race... Imagine when someone is healed from HIV, blindness, diseases....how can you confirm it truth? If it truth, then bring one pastor and lets go to hospital for him to pray. I cant forgive church for this because I lost my grandmother to CAC church that claim medical treatment shouldn't be allow on her unless fasting and prayer. At the end, we were told it God's time for mama to die.

- Random prophecy: Here if you are in a crusade, you know those who are less priviledge by their look and behaviour. A crusade contain thousands people......IF I SHOULD SAY I RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM GOD THAT ONE WOMAN IS HAVING MARITAL PROBLEM FROM DEMONS ....there must be marital problem where more than hundreds people which are mostly women/ladies gather. OR I SAW SOMEONE IS HAVING FINANCIAL PROBLEM FROM GENERATION CURSE ...can it be possible for one among mass without financial problem in Nigeria? If someone admit he is having any of this problem...I can create attributes if im trained on prophetic task or divination.

- Intelligent Prediction and guessing: It is called eisegesis. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis. The pastor gather little information and build on it. Most of them are vague and could be stretched to fit almost anyone and anything. It's the same thing people do with Nostradamus' predictions.

- Esoteric natural practises : Olive oil is made up of chemical.....handkerchief can hold chemicals and chemical can lead to different reaction. This give birth to casting demon, spiritual falling and hallucination. All these can be done under chemical applications and reactions which are secret to you. Also there are other secret things they do and processes they undertake......if you work with celestial church or C/S, you will get clearer picture.

- Mind controlling : this is the best tool they teach in this school. It involve trauma-based mind control. What do you expect if C. Ronaldo determined to give you an audience and/or possibly chance to shake you. Some people cant stand this.....some will be over-joyous and may loose balance. P square prove this here https://www.nairaland.com/1123555/picture-girls-fainted-during-psquare

If a popular pastor like Adeboye got the chance of touching most people especially female.. Most of them will fall and claim it divination but this is mind game.

HumbledbYGrace: To God be the glory for the things he has done for me............








AMEN

Erm lady.....can you ban yourself for trolling?

your moderation post is turning you to a dictator.

Keep embarrassing yourself.

Religitard on loose...

Got the feeling he is hating religion for some reason.

OP.....for how long have you been praying without answer? Thats the common problem of religious folks

Dont forget to use lux soap when you get baptized

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Lol....OP was inspired through John Lennon song titled Imagine

Keep it rolling bro....we are know religion is a big scam......what do you expect when elites want to control minds....they invent religion and politics.

But man why are you doing this to yourself? Personal pleasures should be something you enjoy with your partner or self which shouldn't lead to hatred and attack toward others. Even though they convey message which is against your pleasure.....you should have keep things to yourself, enjoy your life and move on.

aManFromMars: ..

someone should get me laser......must get this alien down before they invade us.

#musk?

Bro mind your church....how is that hard for you? Intolerant hypocrite

We call him 'Yah-zeus' in my ministry.

MostHigh: This guy is no double minded Sire

He more like legion minded

lol. Me no dey calculate...i dey calcufast.... Lol

MostHigh: bum bum shaker you are a pepertual nag

let me meet your gal... In olamide voice....i will die there, mine die there, she die there. Whats osomo meant for? She will tell you whom i am. If it me and you guys....no talk but give honour to that lady. Cheers

Let me give the respect to TPB. Lets hold derail for her.

I got my day....nothing good than smiling of two old guys confusion. Lol. Cheers guys

obadiah777: FOLYKAZE by the time we are done with you in this thread, anytime you see brother MostHigh or my thread you will pick race and ignore it totally. you finna get roasted like suya today.

Lost jew. It would have been fine if you tackle my biblical counter. You asked for it though and I provide it. Oops....you ran away because you got stuck with your sword. This is not Goshen. This is she/he causing confusion on ya. So when you gain ground, we can start

MostHigh: Never reason with a greek.

They are not concerned with clossure.

Just vain babblings

Slave following orders. Your boss can handle Goshen........he ran away when she/he/fola/woman/mother/beelzebuub handle him.

Dont even know where to stand....thats why you venture into confusion........

obadiah777: i dont think he graduated high school. he has tried JAMB 10 times and given up. his illiteracy is obvious

you holding on he while your slave is holding on she. Confused fellow

MostHigh: Now your coming across as illiterate.

And with so much pride.

This woman is a waste of time OOOO.

Escape route for slaves.......dont debate your doctrine......

Sick arddog.....no worries, the golden chain is on stock,,,,,i got enough for your master

MostHigh: This is no dog pound woman, nothing to beat here.

Hear O Isreal the Lord our God the Lord is One

I have no glory of mine.

All glory is for the Lord.

You keep on glorifying yaself Jezebel like you

You keep on glorifying yaself your end is soon coming woman

Slave slave slave!!!

You not talking money.....you not making sense.

Which God? Show us your israelie id or shut up

obadiah777: you are just a very angry fellow. wow. is your life that bad ? surely it cant be that bad seeing as you can afford the internet right ?

just good day....... Even you ignore post you cant answer, you sneak to cheap attack. Oga you mumu too

MostHigh: Look at this demon

And in the time of joseph money failed (factual history)

You and your god are failiures.

So when money fails completely soon your generations will be hopeless forever. just saying

Seeing that money is your hope/god.

LWKP

god? Which god? Joseph? Who is joseph?

See full clown captured slave......joseph ko, josephat ni

MostHigh: Your logic is as faulty as your personality

This woman na wa for you ooo.

Since I know you on this site, you just puppet.......got no words of your own. Old fool.

Beat what I post....mumu

MostHigh: Her shaking bumbum is on fire Sire.

enjoy your madness. Let her deal with you

MostHigh: Good to know you can laugh.

And there I was thinking you were hopeless.

At least there is still some hope then.

Hope? Money brings home,hope. Smiling face is good for business..........

obadiah777: where two or more are gathered in my name there will I be says the lord. I and brother MostHigh are gathered here now so the lord is here so let me bolden and highlight what you said so he can see it and prepare your destruction swiftly

in etisalat advert voice.......ohohohoh. You cant deal with bible counter I post. You hide behind kjv and I provide it still you ran away from it.

How about buying moving straight to book of revelation......it should serve big wrap for Igbo. Holy commune. Tell your blind God i did that

MostHigh: You cant fool me with all that talk]

We all know your a woman

You speech pattern gives you away

nag nag nag.........

woman with kids. Lol. Are you scared to give me your gf number? Be the man.

First class mumu

MostHigh: So your queer as well?

Girl and girl.

]There are repercussions for that, hope you are aware.

Now gal? You make my morning man....cant help but laugh.

obadiah777: and i repeat, there is no such thing as 'trinity' in the bible

you silly like your God.

Ignoring questions for your own false doctrine. There is no grandfather or bible in the bible. So trash that

obadiah777: there are laws against stalking you know

What about law against false prediction? Calling me who I am not?

Fola, woman, children and Beelzebub. You getting the heat huh?

Erm...... Your God is dead or blind......I kill that monster twice