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LordReed:
I don't understand, are you asking me to accept your evaluation of what the self is or are you asking me for my opinion? I was under the impression that the latter was the case but now it seems you want me to accept your own evaluation.

You also seem to reading meanings into what I said. I said nothing about consciousness. I said missing body parts affects the "I", I didn't say it affects consciousness. Take for example if your legs for some reason get amputated, if you were subsequently asked to run your answer will be "I can't run". You would correctly evaluate your incapability and it would form a part of your identity. Under such a circumstance you'll never think of yourself as being able to become a marathon runner for instance. Very tellingly, people who undergo prolonged sensory deprivation go mad.

EDIT: You should read up on what a gestalt is.

Can two walk together unless they agree? Definitely Negative.

You don't understand the question nor understand the premises from which the question is deducted, and when I am trying to explain it to you, you won't just accept my explanations. The linked document from you gave you away. I read it overnight and saw it is talking about emotions rather than personhood/selfhood. These are two different things.

The question is; who am I, and who is the man in the mirror. I told you earlier, 'I' in that context is not just 'self' or gestalt as you called it. The 'I' is rather the essence of self, or better still the inner self.

Good and fine, I will never be a sprinter if I lose my legs, but I will never lose my 'essence of self' even if I lose all my body to paralysis. A mad person behaves abnormally, which is as a result of abnormalities in the person mental conditions; this does not eliminate the mad person's consciousness.

The essence of self is what I called consciousness. The religious folks call it soul. Much as we know, losing a part of the brain through ailment like Stroke or surgical knife does not eliminate this oneself, subjectivity of existence. Gestalt does not equate soul, or consciousness. These are the two words that represent the 'I'.

I implore you read this

"Consciousness is the quality or state of being aware of an external object or something within oneself, such as thoughts, feelings, memories, or sensations. It has also been defined in the following ways: sentience, awareness, subjectivity, the ability to experience or to feel, wakefulness, having a sense of selfhood, and the executive-control system of the mind. At one time, consciousness was viewed with skepticism by many scientists, but in recent years, it has become a significant topic of research in psychology and neuroscience.""
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-psychology/chapter/introduction-to-consciousness/

Look at the emboldened statement above, it doesn't correlate to gestalt as you implied. And even if you paralyse the body system, it does not stop the executive-control system of the mind or subjectivity or sense of selfhood from existing. You can open the link above and read up in consciousness and or oneself.

LordReed:
I read this and he does the things I have developed a dislike about, make assumptions that are not sufficiently backed up by evidence and also does the fallacy of appeal to authority. He does not present any scientifically backed study that says consciousness is independent of the body instead he presents what Deepak Chora and Donald Hoffman said. Deepak is known for misappropriating science for his "woo" loaded statements while Hoffman is seriously thin on evidence for his assumptions. How do these provide any certainty that consciousness is independent of the body?

The study of NDE he presents said that 4 out of 5 of the people studied did not experience NDE so how does that give any kind of definitive statement that consciousness is independent of the body?

This is getting funny. You crawl out of the hole all by yourself.

If the 'I' is based on body, and not mind, what part of the body is involved in NDE?

LordReed:
I did not admit that Carl Johnson is an active being nor did I say he is experiencing the virtual world, read what I wrote again.

Are you seriously asking me if Carl Johnson is fictional? Are we now blurring the line between what is fictional and what is real? because I don't understand why that is even a question.

DNA is not like computer code. DNA is a chemical, allusions to computer code is just simplification for layman understanding. Any attempt to project that allusion into it being the same as a computer run software only presents a serious misunderstanding of what DNA is. So no I am not like Carl Johnson, a FICTIONAL computer generated construct.

You missed the OP right? Life is but a dream. Einstein claim reality is simply an illusion. All these implies what we perceived as real is only real in our head, it is all fiction and big simulations.

In your own words Carl Johnson is merely a fictional construct made active through the functioning of programming subroutines. If that is not active being in a functioning programming world, then I don't know what it is you would call it.

Now sir, I am not a programmer or know computer codes, also I am not a bioscientist or know much about genetic codes. However, little information I got from the internet reveals that the language of DNA is digital, very much like that of a computer, but only different because it is not binary. Binary encoding has 0 and 1 to work with, DNA has 4 positions, T, C, G and A. The latest information at my disposal reveals that the DNA 4 Positions can be converted to binary codes and vice versa.

https://www.hsj.gr/medicine/dna-and-the-digital-data-storage.php?aid=24516

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1608.00539.pdf

If the information above is anything to go by, Carl Johnson is an existing personality, very much like you. His existence, mine and that of yours is depended on computation and programming. And as such, existence is illusion or fictional if I may borrow your word.

LordReed:
While some people do arrive at that conclusion, I am not one of them. I don't see why saying that perceptions are flawed should lead to that conclusion. It is a fact for instance that we don't see all the electromagnetic spectrum, only the visible part of light so when watching the images projected through a TV we are not seeing all that the TV is actually producing however it doesn't mean that the TV is not producing the images we are seeing. That limitation has nothing to do with the true nature of reality and to me does not affect it.

On another note, the energy required to create a simulation of such magnitude, if one is to consider it, is staggeringly enormous. To me its an indication that the simulation hypothesis is dead in the water.

This perception from wakeful state is the same as that of the dream world. There is no differences. How come you see the wakeful reality as true while that of the dream world as unreal?

budaatum:
First, let me say, I love Descartes failure to prove what he wanted to prove, which was God, but his immense work trying leaves us with a tool for self scrutiny as I point out here.

He actually was successful helping human understand that knowing oneself makes one a God.

budaatum:
I am buda. No more. No less.

I am me. Yes we know buda is buda. We are actually talking on the nature of 'buda', if he is independent consciousness or electro-chemical function of the brain.

budaatum:
Existence is that which is subject to space and time. Things that occupy space and time are in existence. Things that do not occupy space and time are inexistent. Note the English headache!

Does space and time really exist?

budaatum:
I am buda, and the image of buda is in the mirror.
The image in the mirror is not buda for you will find it does not think which after all is the ultimate conclussion of Descarte's often ill-translated "I am thinking, therefore I exist".

How did you know the man in the mirror is not thinking?

While doing that, can you please explain the nature of buda. It is important. In doing such, you can help us understand your viewpoint on consciousness, also called Ori.

budaatum:
P.s. I declare that I have Heidegger's Being and Time on my birthday list but its unfortunately a day late. His "being" is about things that are or have been in existence.

Will check link prolly tomorrow

budaatum:
He had a baby? Know wonder he's thinking about existence lol!
Congrats FOLYKAZE.

Thanks

LordReed:
I addressed the nature of I subsequently, I hope you didn't over look it. I wanted to focus here on experience because your examples were essentially about experience. Looking into a mirror is an experience.

I think it is "incomplete" to say that the loss of a body part has no effect on the I. It has been severally demonstrated that the loss of body parts affects how one perceives oneself.
[url=https://www.google.com/url?q=https://aquila.usm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1371%26context%3Dhonors_theses&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjK0I_cw9vqAhVJ1BoKHbN6DYUQFjAMegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw38Wf6Un3yyHd3xCkztFHhX]LINK[/url]
I can even attest to that through a health challenge I had.

The nature of 'I' could be understood best as 'inner self' or 'transcendental self' rather than simply 'self'. You would have understand better if you look into the OP critically.

Firstly, the 'I', like I said earlier, is the content of subjectivity of conscious experience. That is the individual experiencing. On the other round, awareness of one's conscious experience is known as self-awareness. Therefore, simply saying self is a gestalt is ambiguous when you ain't pinpointing on what you imply by self.

The 'I' rather is straight to the point, and can be better understand as consciousness. While rather, self-awareness is a process of recognizing oneself. These are two separate things. A robot could be aware of itself but can never be conscious. link

Decapitation of the body could affect self-awareness, while rather, it doesn't affect consciousness. Read up that bro.

LordReed:
Descartes was not a neurologist nor was he a specialist in any neurological field so his opinion is only philosophical. I would like to see this scientific document.

I already said what I think the "I" is. There is no I without mind and no mind without body, its a gestalt.

[url=https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/docs/default-source/members/sigs/spirituality-spsig/spirituality-special-interest-group-publications-nevillehodgkinsongoodnewsyouarenotyourbrain.pdf%3Fsfvrsn%3D42288db9_2&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwisscG329zqAhUksaQKHSifBUAQFjAFegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw29Jz_Yw2I9paOftXdsZlgf]Link[/url]

LordReed:
In the sense of being real? No because it is merely a fictional construct made active through the functioning of programming subroutines. In the fictional context however Carl Johnson is a personality.

What we have here? You said Existence is what we call the sum total of our ability to experience and the objects of our experience....

You admitted that Carl Johnson is an active being. That he is functioning (experiencing) to the virtual world (object of experience); then turn around to say he is fictional. Fictional in what sense? And how are you different from CJ? Broken down to DNA, you are much like a computer code just like CJ. Can we also assume you don't exist, using your own definition of existence?

LordReed:
We try using instruments to get a better understanding of what we are experiencing, some of those instruments are much better than our perceptions but actually they only add to our perceptions so by necessity we will always be limited by our perceptions as to the nature of reality.

Living within the world created by our brain. Shouldn't this provoke one to accept that we are simulations, much like CJ, and do not exist?

LordReed:
I think that the self is a gestalt, a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts. Individually, none of the constituent parts can create the perception of seeing yourself in the mirror.

Carefully observe that I used the word 'I' and not 'self'. This is to construct a larger premises so we can both understand ourselves.

Firstly, the 'I' is a content of subjectivity of a conscious experience. All the whole and the greater sum of the body system are irrelevant to subjective experience. The alteration of any part of the whole body, and including the brain, either through accidental or natural causes do not affect consciousness. Stroke or anesthesia or decapitation can render some parts of the body useless and nonfunctional, but it doesn't the 'I'. Therefore, I is beyond gestalt or whole body system.

There is also the man in the mirror. Michael Jackson song talks about it. We sense and react to it...

The question is retained, who am I, and who is the man in the mirror?

LordReed:
I is the label we give to individual gestalts. I don't think the mind is an independent construct, it arises I would say from all the bodily processes. We say a hungry man is an angry man, why? Because we have recognised that mental States are affected by bodily processes. Our emotions derive in part from hormonal levels.

Well actually, the mind according to Descartes, is independent of the body. I found a scientific document this morning supporting that.

However, simply put, is the 'I' based on what exactly, brain or mind?

LordReed:
Existence is what we call the sum total of our ability to experience and the objects of our experience.

Ok, let me jig in;
Is Carl Johnson in GTA series an existing personality?

LordReed:
Reality is what we experience. It really doesn't matter what the nature of reality is, that we experience it is what is most important.

Reality is what we experience and perceived as real. Note the word 'perception'. Can we ever get the better nature of reality when our experience is based on perception?

LordReed:
PS: I hope mother and baby are doing well and you have resolved things satisfactorily.

Oh they are doing just pretty well. Thanks

Maximus69:
Please stop including me in your discussion, i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we are in search of the sheep belonging to our God Jehovah.
So after you and i have resolved our differences, it is obvious there's nothing more to discuss with you. You can continue with other Nairalanders but as for me (Maximus69) please count me out of your discuss!

Thanks!

Apologies Homie Max.
But you shouldn't have quote the whole OP. Doing that will make the thread hard to navigate. Pls do edit sit.

Erm, is the purpose of life not a subject worth discussing in JW? Oops, you didn't see that is the angle of question 3 is all about? Compare with Ecclesiastics 1:3...

gensteejay:
Following.

Will love to see your inputs concerning the OP

In a popular nursery school rhythm, "Row Row Row Your Boat", there is an embedded philosophical thought, right at the last line which had/should provoke(d) deep thinking of folks who want to understand the nature of reality and self. "Life is but a dream" is the philosophical subject in the poem. Short and precise, major scholars in the past from different backgrounds and cultures have attempted to register their viewpoint on the subject; a major example is Albert Einstein who stated that Reality is only an illusion.

Dream is a succession of images and sensations that usually occur involuntarily in the mind during certain stages of sleep. These sensations, emotions and images from dreaming are real and inseparable from perceptive reality of wakefulness. Adding, realities from dreaming and wakefulness depended on the brain which as such, according to René Descartes, cannot be trusted.

Master Zhuang, a prominent scholar in Taoism, wrote an exposition on the subject of dream and self in his book - The Zhuangzi:
"Once Zhuang Zhou dreamed he was a butterfly, a butterfly flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn’t know he was Zhuang Zhou. Suddenly he woke up, and there he was, solid and unmistakable Zhuang Zhou. But he didn’t know if he were Zhuang Zhou who had dreamed he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he was Zhuang Zhou. Between Zhuang Zhou and a butterfly, there must be some distinction! This is called the Transformation of Things.”

The butterfly dream of Zhuang Zhou indicates there are two personalities involved in the paradox. One appears as butterfly in the dream, while the other represent Zhang himself. He, however, could not identify which is real among the two personalities. Plato’s allegory of the cave and Descartes’ doubt-sowing demon, both expanded on Zhuang dream paradox.

Away from the west and distant East, African philosophy, especially Yoruba philosophy as detailed in Ifa, punctured on the subject through the concept of Ori. Ori, can be loosely translated as head, it connotes the principle of personality, essence of self, and the bearer of destiny. Ori rules, controls and guides the life and activities of a person in the material world. According to Ifa;
Ori eni nii ba nii s’aye eni
Eda aba-waye, ohun l’ori eni
(One’s Ori directs and runs one's life
The creature that accompanies one to the world is his Ori)

Yoruba account of the creation of the human person holds that the human body (ara) was moulded by Obatala (the arch divinity). It is thereafter that the lifeless body is infused with emi (animating force or breath of life) by Olodumare. The body at this stage becomes activated with life and then goes to Ajala (deity responsible for making Ori) to select an Ori. Afterward, the person proceeds to Aiye (material world) where he will be given birth to. The Ori is very much like blueprint which the course of physical existence of the person would depend on.

Ori is separated from physical head by been tagged Ori-inu. There is a popular prayer among the Yorubas that goes thus; Ori inu mi ma ba ti ode mi'jẹ́ (my inner head should not destroy my outer head). This prayers postulate, much like the Zhuang's dream, that there are two personalities (self) within the existence of being. One is the ori ita, while the other is ori inu. The former is connected and depended, like an umbilical cord, on the later.

The destiny clause (Ori Apeere), a component of the Ori's concept, explains that Ori-inu is the chief pilot of human existence but it is not the sole player in the control room. The role of Ori-inu is depicted in Ola Rotimi book, The Gods Are Not to Blame. In the book, destiny is inalterable as illustrated in the character Odewale, who eventually killed his father and marrying his mother, as was predestined in spite of all efforts made to forestall the fulfillment of these events.

A verse in Ifa from Ose méjì goes thus;
Inu bibi o da nnkan, suuru baba iwa;
Agba t’oni suuru, ohun gbogbo l’o ni;
Dia fun ori, a bu fun iwa.
T’iwa nikan lo soro;
Ori kan o buru n’ile Ife; t’iwa nikan lo soro.

(Anger does not bring forth anything good, Patience is the best of character;
A patient elder has everything;
It was divinely revealed to Ori, it was divinely casted to Iwa;
Nurturing as well as exhibiting good character is difficult;
No destiny is bad in Ife;
It is only nurturing and exhibiting good character that is difficult.)

The verse above indicates separate components of human persons; Ori and Iwa. Ori/ori-inu is the spark of consciousness, ori ita represent the spark of Iwa (character).

Using an espoused woman allegory, Ifa explains that it is a woman's Ori who guides her to matrimonial home, it is however, her character that keeps her therein. A verse narrating the allegory goes thus;
Obinrin so iwa nu,
O ni oun o mu ori oko wa’ye
[A woman loose her character,
She claims to not bring matrimonial aspect of Ori to the world].

The enquiry this thread is trying to fetch is within. The true/original self is not known, just like Zhuang Zhou couldn't pin it either on the butterfly or himself. The distinction between Ori-inu (inner self) and ori ode (outer head) is Ori Orun (Ori in heaven) also known as Iponri. Ori inu is inseparable from the reality and activity of Iponri (our perfected higher self) which exists in the eternal mind of Olodumare. Ori-orun/Iponri mirrors on Ori-inu which also bears reflection on Ori-ita. Who am I, what is existence, and what is reality?

1. Who am I; and who is the man in the mirror?
2. What is it that the 'I', thinker of the René Descartes' proposition - "I think therefore I am" based on? Using Descartes dualistic nature of man, is the "I" in the quoted expression based on mind (independent consciousness) or body (electro-chemical interactions of neuron)?

3. Zhuang's butterfly dream is typified in the Autumn Flood which contrast with Vanity and Hopelessness theme of Man existence in Ecclesiastics 5:18,19. We exist within existence, our existence changes nothing, but what is existence and the nature of existence?

4. The physical world appears solid, but physics indicates its all empty space, nothing is really out there, therefore what is reality?


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Brokenfm:
This isn't how I thought it would end, this isn't how I planned it would end, I gave it a good fight, I gave it my all. I struggled each day but always wore a smile to hide my pain, I believed for a change, people promised me help but none came through, I didn't stop working or believing, I continued pushing even till Friday night but I'm now overwhelmed, tired, weak, frustrated and have given up. Please if you hear someone committed suicide don't blame that person, he fought and fought till his strength failed him, some are stronger than the others, some can endure than the others but I'm weak and can't push on any longer. May God heal everyone in this position, may God send them succor, may god bless our land and may him accept my soul. I'm not doing this for pity or for cloud or for anything but telling everyone in this same position they can hold on but me I'm done and tired.

What are the reasons for been depressed? Why do you want to terminate your life? What is the worst you have seen, some have seen worse than the worst you are experiencing today. Infact, some are battling worst case of the worst you in. They have not ended their lives so what is your own excuses? Suicide is cowardice and shameful escape from reality. There is nothing you are facing now that is too big, you just have to annex the energy you used in posting here to face your challenges.

When I am in situations that would want to make me lose all hope, I do tell myself there are people I am better than, and there are people who want to wear my tattered shoe because they have none. I just have to keep walking on, pushing on, and keep fighting. Suicide is not an option, and if you fall into depression, you climb your way back up.

Sorry if I am too blunt. I lost my Boss two weeks ago. He built two houses, had four lovely children and flourishing business. He took his own life because he had no car, his motorcycle was broken and had to take bike from from home to office. He often complain that his friends own big cars, even though he owned one before but sold it to boost business, and he is ashamed because he now takes bike around. He took his life like a coward, but me who is an apprentice under him, own no house in my name, cannot afford the life he lives, but kept my head up, I am still kicking today while he is rotting off feet under the ground. As I matter of fact, I was hoping to climb up to his level and one day climb higher.

Do you understand one funny thing about life, he took his life because he didn't own a car even though he had built two houses and own couples of undeveloped properties. His own family put that house and undeveloped land on sales few days after he was buried. Land wey 70yrs old papa never buy, thousands of old papa no get land not to talk of house or car, my Oga was 42yrs when he killed himself because of Automobile.

Life is too precious to be wasted cheaply on hopelessness. You have no reasons to take your life. It is cowardice. If you have any problem you deem too big, share it and believe people will help you resolve it here.

I am very happy to inform the forum that my wife and little princess have been discharged and arrived home safely yesterday. My joy has no boundary seeing these two people in my home. All thanks to you all for saving the lives of the most precious souls to me, and securing their return back home.

This is my sincere appreciation to all those who out of their little resource still sent me a token when I pleaded for help here. All your contributions are all appreciated. It may not have been big but indeed, it helped in providing for the health care of my wife, and safe delivery of my darling angel. Thanks to all those who called and offer prayers, hope and motivational push. Every inputs met alot to us.

Right from when it started on 21st June, it gulped every penny I had saved and I almost lost all hopes. But you guys supported me without knowing me personally, not considering if I'm your family member or friend, despite the difficulties in the nation economy, you clad with fabric of secret, rescued me from been put to shame, saved me from the huge storm which could have swept us away. I cannot say it all

On behalf of myself, Ifeoluwakiishi, and Lizzyangel, I want to say a big THANK you.

I am very happy to inform the forum that my wife and little princess have been discharged and arrived home safely yesterday. My joy has no boundary seeing these two people in my home. All thanks to you all for saving the lives of the most precious souls to me, and securing their return back home.

This is my sincere appreciation to all those who out of their little resource still sent me a token when I pleaded for help here. All your contributions are all appreciated. It may not have been big but indeed, it helped in providing for the health care of my wife, and safe delivery of my darling angel. Thanks to all those who called and offer prayers, hope and motivational push. Every inputs met alot to us.

Right from when it started on 21st June, it gulped every penny I had saved and I almost lost all hopes. But you guys supported me without knowing me personally, not considering if I'm your family member or friend, despite the difficulties in the nation economy, you clad with fabric of secret, rescued me from been put to shame, saved me from the huge storm which could have swept us away. I cannot say it all

On behalf of myself, Ifeoluwakiishi, and Lizzyangel, I want to say a big THANK you.

I am very happy to inform the forum that my wife and little princess have been discharged and arrived home safely yesterday. My joy has no boundary seeing these two people in my home. All thanks to you all for saving the lives of the most precious souls to me, and securing their return back home.

This is my sincere appreciation to all those who out of their little resource still sent me a token when I pleaded for help here. All your contributions are all appreciated. It may not have been big but indeed, it helped in providing for the health care of my wife, and safe delivery of my darling angel. Thanks to all those who called and offer prayers, hope and motivational push. Every inputs met alot to us.

Right from when it started on 21st June, it gulped every penny I had saved and I almost lost all hopes. But you guys supported me without knowing me personally, not considering if I'm your family member or friend, despite the difficulties in the nation economy, you clad with fabric of secret, rescued me from been put to shame, saved me from the huge storm which could have swept us away. I cannot say it all

On behalf of myself, Ifeoluwakiishi, and Lizzyangel, I want to say a big THANK you.

Someone sent me 20k this morning. I am immensely grateful for that huge amount. It lightened my burdens, and I pray that heavens will open your door of blessings. Thanks and I am grateful.

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dobnina:
This kind of post breaks my heart. Really wish I was buoyant enough to always help people in need. I am sorry op. I pray God sends helper your way. Maybe you should also try family and friends too.

Thanks for the prayers.

Is this safe and would you be fair?

Nairalanders please come to our rescue

With an heavy heart, I am sorry for coming back to you guys soliciting for fund for discharging my wife and new born baby from the hospital. It has been uneasy out there. I have tried selling some of my gadgets to raise money but people are unwilling to buy. And as we continue to stay back in the hospital, our bills pill up.

We are at University of Medical science Hospital (mother and child), had a baby through CS, and have been discharged since Saturday 27th July, but couldn't return home because we are yet to balance our bills.

The total bill excluding drugs, injections, and miscellaneous is ₦121,000. We've managed to pay ₦90,000, and left with balance of ₦31,000. At the moment, we are penniless and have no hope of getting the balance.

I have a mini laptop (Asus), TV (LG 26'inch) and mifi (zte universal). If you need any of these, I am willing to sell them. We would appreciate your support too. Thanks

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With an heavy heart, I am sorry for coming back to you guys soliciting for fund for discharging my wife and new born baby from the hospital. It has been uneasy out there. I have tried selling some of my gadgets to raise money but people are unwilling to buy. And as we continue to stay back in the hospital, our bills pill up.

We are at University of Medical science Hospital (mother and child), had a baby through CS, and have been discharged since Saturday 27th July, but couldn't return home because we are yet to balance our bills.

The total bill excluding drugs, injections, and miscellaneous is ₦121,000. We've managed to pay ₦90,000, and left with balance of ₦31,000. At the moment, we are penniless and have no hope of getting the balance.

I have a mini laptop (Asus), TV (LG 26'inch) and mifi (zte universal). If you need any of these, I am willing to sell them. We would appreciate your support too. Thanks

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We are so delighted to inform the forum that our Princess has been named today. She now bears Hephzibah and Kiishi.

The naming ceremony was held this morning in the hospital. Last week, on Monday, we were in the Casualty section battling between life and death. On Thursday, we were in the theatre room paving way for the livelihood of our Princess. Today, we are celebrating lives, of my lovely wife and her baby. I'm so glad we scaled through it all. Not with power or strength or financing muscle. You are all with me all the time. And we so much appreciate. Ifeoluwakiishi is saying thank you.

We are so delighted to inform the forum that our Princess has been named today. She now bears Hephzibah and Kiishi.

The naming ceremony was held this morning in the hospital. Last week, on Monday, we were in the Casualty section battling between life and death. On Thursday, we were in the theatre room paving way for the livelihood of our Princess. Today, we are celebrating lives, of my lovely wife and her baby. I'm so glad we scaled through it all. Not with power or strength or financial muscle. You are all with me all the time. And we so much appreciate. Ifeoluwakiishi is saying thank you.

rinrin23:
@foly
So sorry to hear what your family is going through, but glad to hear about the safe delivery. Sent a little token, though quite small, I hope it helps in a little way.

Wish you a smooth journey ahead. And... congratulations!!

Deposit from O. A to A. F. S, please keep my details anonymous.

Thanks Ma'am for your kindness.

Good morning Nairalanders.

As the day run by, there arrive reasons to always say THANKS to you guys for giving two persons precious to me most a chance to live. We left Ore on Monday night with BP hanging at around 220. Assessment by the Doctors in Ondo indicated the BP is 240. We were left outside, in an ambulance, for like one hour before any Doctor could attend to us. Their fear was COVID19. I learnt yesterday from a Nurse that there was a referred pregnant patient from Ore, who tested positive for Coronavirus. So they were on alert when they received us.

I won't go without thanking to Dr Adewole, a courageous and high spirited man. He was the one who attended to us first, assessed my woman condition, and called on other doctors to handle our case. We moved to the Casualty Section at 10:15pm, and on Tuesday in the morning, we were moved to Antenatal ward. A check at the BP shows it had dropped drastically to 140. Those who saw record, including the Consultant were all shocked. This morning, we are in 120.

The asthma attack was suppressed. And on Tuesday night, we were off oxygenation (apologies if I am not using the right term). We only had it again briefly after the CS on Thursday. Till this moment, she had no attack, and she is breathing fine without supports.

The Doctors went on strike on Friday. The meeting was on during the Operating Section. Many patients were left unattended to, while others were referred to private hospitals.

I had imagined, what would have happened to the lives of my queen and little princess if this big family isn't there? University of Medical Science (Mother and Child) is a first class hospital with best possible hands, service is top notch, and delivery is international standard. However, the cost can be neck breaking. We were not registered to M/C and because of this, we were billed for every services they rendered.

I will continually be grateful for all your supports. They all meant alot to me. What more could I ask for? Who could I have run to? You guys are much like a redeemer, friend and family. I appreciate your help and support.

This morning, we received a notification that we are discharged and free to go after we've cleared our bills. The billing report gave to me indicated that I have total amount of ₦121,000 to pay. Pastor, Evangelists from the church where my wife worship paid us visit yesterday. On behalf of the church, ₦50,000 was donated to us. The total money I am left with is ₦32,000 which I have also paid to the hospital cash point. We are in dare need of ₦39,000 so that we can clear our bills and leave. Thanks.

Good morning Nairalanders.

As the day run by, there arrive reasons to always say THANKS to you guys for giving two persons precious to me most a chance to live. We left Ore on Monday night with BP hanging at around 220. Assessment by the Doctors in Ondo indicated the BP is 240. We were left outside, in an ambulance, for like one hour before any Doctor could attend to us. Their fear was COVID19. I learnt yesterday from a Nurse that there was a referred pregnant patient from Ore, who tested positive for Coronavirus. So they were on alert when they received us.

I won't go without thanking to Dr Adewole, a courageous and high spirited man. He was the one who attended to us first, assessed my woman condition, and called on other doctors to handle our case. We moved to the Casualty Section at 10:15pm, and on Tuesday in the morning, we were moved to Antenatal ward. A check at the BP shows it had dropped drastically to 140. Those who saw record, including the Consultant were all shocked. This morning, we are in 120.

The asthma attack was suppressed. And on Tuesday night, we were off oxygenation (apologies if I am not using the right term). We only had it again briefly after the CS on Thursday. Till this moment, she had no attack, and she is breathing fine without supports.

The Doctors went on strike on Friday. The meeting was on during the Operating Section. Many patients were left unattended to, while others were referred to private hospitals.

I had imagined, what would have happened to the lives of my queen and little princess if this big family isn't there? University of Medical Science (Mother and Child) is a first class hospital with best possible hands, service is top notch, and delivery is international standard. However, the cost can be neck breaking. We were not registered to M/C and because of this, we were billed for every services they rendered.

I will continually be grateful for all your supports. They all meant alot to me. What more could I ask for? Who could I have run to? You guys are much like a redeemer, friend and family. I appreciate your help and support.

This morning, we received a notification that we are discharged and free to go after we've cleared our bills. The billing report gave to me indicated that I have total amount of ₦121,000 to pay. Pastor, Evangelists from the church where my wife worship paid us visit yesterday. On behalf of the church, ₦50,000 was donated to us. The total money I am left with is ₦32,000 which I have also paid to the hospital cash point. We are in dare need of ₦39,000 so that we can clear our bills and leave. Thanks.

LordReed:
Foly, I sent you small thing. Abeg its nothing compared to what you've been through so please don't mention.

Congrats to you and madam.

His Highness Lord Reed, there is no way I won't thank for your kindness, no matter how small it is, it meet our needs, and contributory to save the lives of two of my most precious souls. Thanks for sharing that little in your pulse with us.

Bodydialect57:
Congratulations. I am happy to hear this great news. The Lord be with you all.

Thanks Mr for the supports.

gensteejay:
Congrats. Wish you and your family greater success.

Thanks for everything sir. I so much appreciate

triplechoice:
Congrats for the new born baby

Thanks sire!

Rilwayne001:
I'm so happy to read this.
I pray more sound health to the mother and the baby.

Thanks buddy

MuttleyLaff:
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On the behalf on all on the Religion Forum, congratulations.
Score Folykaze 1, Madam Folykaze 1
No need for return match ooo, lmao, na grandkids ooo make una begin to look forward to ooo, lmao

Lmao. Thanks buddy