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Maximus69:
Social media beggar!

Child molester.
Senile coward run away soldier

Maximus69:
Mr street beggar!

Jehovah witnesses are dying through serious ailments and refusal to blood transfusion. Is it that Jehovah cannot provide enough blood to their body when they need it most? Jehovah is a useless God

budaatum:
He wisely asked everyone who cares regardless of whether you are Jehovah Witness or not, and he more wisely refused to jump to your bait!

Please Buda, stay away from this.

Jw have denied millions of people chance to live because of doctrine against blood transfusion. Many children are been abused and the act covered up in that organisation.

What would Maximus69 do with people experience when he cannot proffer solutions? Why are we talking about people dilemma when we can't help them out? Orisa bi o le gbe mi, fimile bi mo se wa.

Maximus69:
Mr street beggar!

JW child sex abusers

Maximus69:
JWs have faced many powerful enemies in times past so you're nowhere to be found unless we will need a microscope to see you in the picture!

I was a Muslim before i notice the light in their midst so it's not my religion from birth, i'm just a new convert in their midst, so if you try any shit with me i'll drag you in the quagmire the way we used to do to bloody civilians like you in the army.
JWs have their own religion before i joined them and they will not ask me to be silent for you unless i wish to. But it's obvious you're just looking for people to come in between us and let me tell you that JWs will never do that!

Yawn.....

Jehovah couldn't crush suffering of humanity. JW have no known solution to the world problem.

You can be a Musilimu or babalawo. It is not of my business if you can't tan isoro mi.

You saw JW having many enemies but you have to tell us about the enemy within enmity of JW with the high rising child sex abuse happening there in your church. Please tell, is child sex abuse part humanism in JW?

Maximus69:

Keep crying up and down beggar!

Oloriburuku eda. What soliton could your religion, sect and Jehovah offered the woman? Nothing. You are broke and couldn't do anything because Jehovah is insufficient

Maximus69:
Experience please!

What would you do with people experiences when you or Jehovah cannot render solution?

MuttleyLaff:
You should have stood your ground against the ignorant pastor who held the service and asking for a christian/christianised name, and maintained that all you have to give your kid, are Yoruba names exclusively.

All my names are indigenous names, my kids I made sure all their names are indigenous names. We all have prophetic, affirmative, declarative and emphatic ethnic names, formulated to the glory of God, but expressed in our mother tongue. No foreign western, colonial mentality English names.

From Bible 101, your missus, who is a believer, should have informed you, that as a believer, one automatically in their own right becomes a priest/prietess and royalty in God's courtyard. That youse wouldn't have needed a "paistor/pastor" to come officiate or bless your kid for you, because as a child/son/daughter/moG/woG, we have direct access to the throne of grace, such that we boldly approach God, directly without having need of any go-betweens, intermediary or negotiator, except for as when needed, Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, our Advocate (i.e. Hebrews 4:16)

Oruko eni ma so omo, inu eni ni o wa

Maximus69:
Four days ago a widow in my neighbourhood was surrounded by four fierce looking women. She's a tenant in my friend's house so when i saw him in the midst of the fierce looking women i tried to know what happened. Then i was told the widow is one of the beneficiaries of a micro finance bank known as 'Grooming' she used to borrow cash from the Organization for business and pay back installmentally with interest, but this time around she's unable to meet up with her weekly return so they actually came to humiliate and intimidate her.
So i asked one of the ladies known as the Credit Officer (CO) if this woman has been defaulting she refused to answer, only for the woman to say "i've never defaulted for once Sir" so i asked her why they're here?
Her story brought tears into my eyes!
She uses their money for business and out of the gain she feeds her two children and pay her house rent but since the lockdown due to Covid19 business has not been the same. So i asked the two Grooming officials what assistance could be rendered since she's been doing well before the pandemic. One of them said the only excuse for failure is death so they will present her death certificate to their bosses and the money will be forgotten.
So i asked once again since she's not dead is there no other way perhaps a rescheduling or reduction of the return as she must feed her two sons out of what she makes weekly, they both said "NO".
So i pacify them further perhaps i can come and sign for her, and i promise to pay within the next few weeks because i'm broke presently but these women insisted it's not done.
That's why i log onto their website only to found out that the officials aren't operating according to the policy of the group, the Organization supposed to be for the Empowerment of the less privileged in the society but from what i gathered so far it has turned to Enslavement.
To me it's like buying slaves to continue working for my money to increase and it's only when the slave dies that freedom is gained. But the bait to catch people is the word 'EMPOWERMENT' whereas in reality it's confirmed 'ENSLAVEMENT'.
May God save the less privileged in our society!

You can not help the woman but brought her case here.... For what? Can't you simply call Jehovah to make money grow in the woman account? How come you are broke too?

Maximus69:
The time has past when people do appreciate efforts invested on anything. Today nobody cares about how long it cost you to get something done,what interests everyone is the RESULT not the EFFORTS invested!
Here are some secrets that's killing most minds! They want to keep their social esteem simultaneously with their success. This is IMPOSSIBLE. To really succeeded, YOU MUST ACCEPT A TEMPORARY LOSS OF SOCIAL ESTEEM FROM IGNORANT PEOPLE!
You're the ONLY person who knows the values and significance of your efforts, so don't expect everyone to appreciate what they've not SEEN the result!
Let's chat on WhatsApp to discuss few businesses that's next to you that you can start with ZERO dollars and become a millionaire within the time limit of 6-18 months. Note that i won't do the business for you but i'll just introduce you to the right set of people with the prospect of becoming someone in life,those who wants to control their own time,those who don't want to bloody care about the cost of things but just to point and pay at a go,those who wants to sleep and wake at their own comfort. I am MAXIMUS,come let's do business. It's just your mind that's limiting your success not your government, friend, CV, boss,friends or enemies. Everything largely depends on you!

Poor mofo.. Can your Jehovah makes money grow in your account? Why are you asking people to contribute 500 for you? Ole oloriburuku

Maximus69:
You can continue crying for all i care!

People have been commenting and saying so many things on Nairaland, there are thousands of topics on this forum and hundreds of thousands are commenting, arguing, abusing, insulting and even cursing one another based on topic that leads to disagreements, i have warned you never to cross my path and if not that you're looking for trouble why following me like a monitoring spirit?

If you want to correct anything you can simply do by making your own comments without mentioning me!

I have given you the shit you deserve so you can continue crying till eternity, just know that anytime you mention me in any other thread i'll call you out with your misfortune that brought you begging on your knees for the help of the same people whom you were calling fools for believing what you don't!

Did you see tears in my eye? Maybe there is a stream of it running on your face.

As from today, you will have me calling you out on every thread you comment on. Let us play the game. We can run JW in the mud if that is what you want. And I will give you in it fullness

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, it is what the Bible calls, Grace. It is the unmerited favour of God and simply put, it is actually is an undeserved, unworked for favour from God to mankind

That "King Sunny Ade - Eniyan laso'mi", is right out of the Bible. It is biblical (i.e. Matthew 25:40-45)

My baby dedication is today. Holding at CAC very close to my hood.

I could remember these people visited us at the hospital. During the naming ceremony, I looked at my back and saw Alasalatu, non believers and Christians. These are humans who are beyond religion and tribal segregations.

The pastor who held the service asked for a christian name because everything I presented to him were Yoruba names.... The name that came to my mind is Hephzibah. Later found it in Isaiah 62:4.

Isaiah 62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

Oruko ni ro ni, Ori eni ni gbe ni. In fact, Eniyan laso mi

Maximus69:
It's OK Mr FOLY, let's leave it at that, i'll never cross your path and i hope you also avoid me from now on.

Goodbye!

Don't call for truce when the war hasn't started yet. I go run you when I am ready.

I wouldn't have addressed your point if you have not tried to distort the concept of Ori and the entire Yoruba spiritual system. Take the path of JW and stick to it, I will never argue anything about it with you. But when you cross into Isese, then be ready to be countered always.

At the end of everything, you always end up in shame to yourself, organisation, and Jehovah. You have always portrayed JW as a whole and Jehovah in bad light. Even wondered why you couldn't win a soul for christ since you joined this forum? It is because you are a bad product from the family of Jehovah. And let me tell you, afinibu eda ni e, and you will end up in shame. Let that sink in your head today.

We don't tell our next neighbor goodnight. No goodbye until I finish running you

MuttleyLaff:
"Whoever oppresses the poor taunts their Maker,
but whoever is kind to the needy honors Him."
- Proverbs 14:31

"Do not gloat when your enemy falls,
and do not let your heart rejoice when he stumbles."
- Proverbs 24:17

"Whoever is kind to the poor is lending to the LORD
— the benefit of his gift will return to him in abundance."
- Proverbs 19:17

"Those who mock the poor insult their Maker;
those who rejoice at the misfortune of others will be punished."
- Proverbs 17:5

Some people are just like that, cultivating and preaching the gospel of self-deluding hypocrisy. Smh

Hahaha Me don dey grove Olamide - Tuale (Orisa bi o le gbe mi, fimile bi mo se wa).

King Sunny Ade - Eniyan laso'mi... When there is harsh cold, Nairalanders cover and kept me warm.

These people love me too much ooo, too much excess love o.

I put up a ad to sell my mini laptop because I wanted to raise 31k for some need. Believe this, a woman from nowhere sent 70k, another person sent 80k just yesterday. I received a brand new phone infinix hot 9 play worth 54k from another nairaland. What else can I ask for? I wanted just 31k but got more than 200k. Isn't this what people call grace?

As a matter of fact, eniyan laso mi

Maximus69:
Just keep your stupidity to yourself and never cross my path again, i've warned you several times and this is another warning if you don't want this to repeat itself!

Common bring it on you shameless old brat.

This is the tenet of JW which you have showcased in the public.

Firstly, you wished and prayed I became infested with corona virus all because I created a thread that negates with your worldview.

Secondly you are here acting like a senseless senile old hag because your God couldn't provide for you to sufficiently help others.

I can remember on that said thread, there was nothing contributed from you or your comrade. Not even well wishes, moral support or financial assistance. Tons of non believers travelled from other states and paid us visit in Ore. Many Muslims called and provided moral support, well wishes and prayers. Yes, a christian church visited us in the hospital. But what could you do? Nothing. What could your God do, nothing. You and your God could not do anything because both yall are nonentities.

Even at that, I am not broken that I solicited for help when I need one. I am largely proud that I got help from people I called. I am also proud I didn't call on Jehovah or JW and nothing came from your occultic society. As a matter of fact, I am proud of seeing my baby smile to me this morning. Nairalanders made this happen, not you or Jehovah.

When Jehovah and JW or You couldn't reach out, nairaland bridged my need with supplements. Are these good people not worthy of praises?

I know who to call when I am in tight corner. I know they will yield to my calling when I call. Yeye omo ni gbomo... They have rescued me over and over, more than I prayed for. There collective contributions is better and resourceful than anything your dead God or Occultic society could offer.

Maximus69:
You're not different from street beggars who always beg people for alms along the road but inwardly they look at those giving them as walking corpse because they don't bow to their god!

Afterall, I begged humans in the street of nairaland, not Jehovah in the imaginary kingdom of heaven. I knew who to reach out to, humans not fairies.

Nairalanders yielded to my call when your Jehovah is likely deaf, dumb and prolly dead

Maximus69:
Perhaps you don't know, let me enlighten you.

It was your wife (Lizzyangel) who was begging in the name of Jesus Christ that made those believers yielded not because of your crocodile tears!

Believers, not JW members or you.

They sent something but none of your members could send anything.

They reached out beyond Jehovah hands. Prolly because your Jehovah is handicap and useless.

I knew who to call when I need help. I strongly believe they will yield to my call anything. Eni to gba ni la n sa ti... You run after those who could save you only. Nairalanders rescued me from a bad situation, when your own useless Jehovah and Association could not do anything. Nairalanders are greater than Jehovah, and I will be grateful to them not your fairy in imaginary kingdom in heaven

Maximus69:
Don't worry, sebi few weeks ago you were begging for everyone on Nairaland to come and help you financially they were praying in Jesus name and contributing, why not tell them Jesus is fictional back then?

Well my own God can supply all my needs that's why i'm not begging those who will lash me with words before contributing kókú lo kárùn lo for anything! Psalms 23:1

You shameless beggar!

Oh....those who sent me money were Muslims, Christians and some none believers. However, they related kindly not on religion grounds but human who cared for other humans.

I am proud of begging from humans who answered my prayers/petition. I didn't pray to your useless God, an impotent being of the fairy world.

Thank goodness nothing came from you or any JW on this forum. You had wanted my wife and daughter dead as JW doctrine don't support CS. But these lovely families on nairaland were stronger than your invisible Jehovah and delivered beyond the reach of your fairies.

Everytime I need help, I will return to them....and not to your Useless Jehovah because he didn't live except in your head.

Maximus69:
The personal god is direct WORSHIP offered to Satan!

All those who believe (trust) in personal god will never make peace with others because their only interest is how to gain and they care less about others!

Most High whom Jehovah inherited Israel from will prolly be Satan, God of this world

Maximus69:
I wish someone else could explain better to you that i'm not saying there is a literal altar or shrine where worshipers of personal gods practice their idolatry!

I said there is a SECRET altar IN THEIR HEART where they often bow down secretly to their own self!

There is no secret altar, either in the heart or physical plain, dedicated for the worship of Ori. You are basically distorting and trying to twist the facts. No one bow to himself, that is another balderdash.

Maximus69:
This is why greed and selfishness is everywhere today, Jesus' teachings totally contradicts this concept because he taught his own followers the direct opposite telling them to be selfless in their dealings with their fellowman! Matthew 5:38-48

Humanism and selflessness has nothing to do with Godhood of person.

Maximus69:
As for Jehovah the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob he proved himself to be the ALMIGHTY GOD by answering all the questions about the origin of life and how the problems we are facing today began!

Almighty that could not destroy his people enemy in Judge 1:19?

Maybe you will help us define the word Almighty again.

Maximus69:
There is no race where this accurate knowledge can be found except Israel! So from the Bible it's clear that all other race were worshiping demons after Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden.

The bible fully exposes that concept of Jehovah were stolen from Canaan. This is confirmed by historicity of the data in Urgarit texts. The bible is largely fictional and that is the ultimate truth.

Maximus69:
Though you disputed all of these as mere fairytales so there's no need quoting the Bible to support your fallacious sentimental credulity of no value!
I've discussed with you on the BENEFITS of faith in Jehovah the Almighty God, even though you came back pleading with those who claims they believe in him to come and rescue you in times of need.

Oh darling, you always showcase the poor condition of your brain.

I got help when needed from humans who showed love and kindness to me by contributing their pennies to safeguarding safe delivery of my baby. I prayed for help from HUMANS and not your sky daddy that is impotent. These people profess that Humanism is supreme, and your inability to contribute anything exposes FAITH is useless.

For your info, the head surgeon who operated on my wife is a traditionalist. His hands did the beautiful Jobs of CS. Jehovah, a very useless God couldn't make delivery possible. His impossibility was made through the hands of Dr Adewale, Ondo state Government, and hundred of Nairalanders who have shown love and brotherhood by contributing to the rescuing from impotency of your useless God.

When I needed help, I called for Humans and found the needed help, this is when your God exist in fairy world only.

Thanks for exposing your God as hot air..

Maximus69:
So if there is no benefit in what you're saying then it's useless and hopeless!

I have proven human are Gods. Infact, I called on them when I need help and they answered me. This happened when Jehovah couldn't use your own hands because he is handicap

Maximus69:
This is why i told you that discussing with you is a waste of time!

You never read my comment, you just jumped in to start arguing without asking simple questions to grasp exactly what i meant!

ORÍ is the personal God each selfish person throughout the world worships, it simply means they have a secret altar in their hearts that each person bows down to everyday like worshiping themselves and giving priority to their selfish ambitions.

Jehovah is the Almighty God according to Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

As for the selfish worshipers of ORÍ, Jehovah acknowledged them as gods of their own self {Psalms 82:1} and said they will perish because they can't save themselves from the hand of death {Psalms 82:6} unlike the one and only TRUE God (Jehovah) who promised to swallow death forever! Isaiah 25:8

What you wrote is total misconception of both the concept of Ori, and the subject of Godhood in the Yoruba spiritual system.

Worship among the Yoruba people is way beyond bowing down or praying to a sacred object. Worship is more of acknowledging the worth of something or someone. So when the Yoruba people say 'bo ori' which mean worship Ori, it simply mean acknowledging Ori, as against your position that they have a dedicated altar and/or bow to worship Ori religiously. There is no dedicated shrine for one Ori, just as no one bow to Ori. Understanding worship in this sense can be related to money worshipping according to Matthew 6:24, as no one bow to or have dedicated shrine for worshipping money.

God Almighty according to Exodus 6:2-3 is translated from the word El-shaddai. El-shaddai is the tittle that belongs to El, the canaanite Supreme God which Jehovah is his subject. Baal according to the Urgarit texts is also regarded as El-shaddai. El-shaddai in Yoruba is Oyigiyigi, a title that symbolise strength, and is ascribed to Esu Odara. There is nothing spectacular with identifying Jehovah as El-shaddai.

1. El-shaddai means God of the mountain(s). https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/El-Shaddai-El-Shadday

Mountain in that context is a representation of strength, or might not Ultimacy. It relates largely to Oyigiyigi, a title of Esu. Jehovah been God of the hill is acknowledged in 1 kings 20:23 and Judge 1:19

2. If you look at Exodus 6:2-3 closely, you will notice the word 'as'

And God said to Moses, “I am Yahweh—‘the LORD.’ I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as El-Shaddai—‘God Almighty’ —but I did not reveal my name, Yahweh, to them.

As is used to indicate by comparison the way that something happens or is done. Jehovah is comparing himself to El in term of strength. He appeared 'as' El-shaddai... He isn't El-shaddai.

I can appear strong as Iron, doesn't mean I am Iron.

3. El shaddai is simply an epithet of God. It has nothing to do with been Almighty.

MizMyColi:
I get your angle.
But my question to you is this:

Is the Almighty God the same one as the real God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

Jehovah is the son of El

Maximus69:
The title "ALMIGHTY GOD" simply means a Supreme Being!
There is no way each individual can have his/her own PERSONAL God, that's exactly what Satan suggested for Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, indirectly each person will now have a personal secret altar in his heart where he/she bows to himself alone so that whatever rules or laws binding on others is of no concern to them since each is only submissive to his own God! Genesis 3:5
Of course each nation in the world have a name for this PERSONAL God that's worshiped by each individual, in Yorùbá land it's called ORÍ!
When talking about ORÍ there's nothing that's of concern to it's worshipers about others, in fact ORÍ is the God promoting selfish ambitions!

This is entirely an indication that you understand the Bible or Yoruba spirituality.

As a matter of fact, humans were referred to as Gods/Elohim in the bible, a title which is used to refer to the MOST HIGH, which is the Supreme Being of the entire universe. The Most High in this case is known as Eledumare among the Yoruba people. Jehovah/Yahweh, Baal and the 70 children of El are all his subjects. You need to read Deuteronomy 32:8-9 to understand that Jehovah only inherited because he is a subject of the Most High (compare Psalm 78:71).

While MOST HIGH or call it Eledumare is the supreme being, with subordinates like Jehovah, Chemosh, Milcolm, Asherath, Baal, Yam, Ashta, Anat, and others, these subordinates are Elohim (children of El), designated for different nations and race (Micah 4:5). Jehovah acknowledge the existence of other divinities in 1 Kings 11:5, 33.

Now read Psalm 82:6 compare John 10:34, humans were refferred to as Elohim, same branch as Jehovah.
John 10:34 CJB
Yeshua answered them, “Isn’t it written in your Torah, ‘I have said, “You people are Elohim’ ”?

In defining Elohim, Exo 22:28 gave the shot between God/gods/judge. It boils down to what you call God.

So biblically, Humans are Gods...

You should have dive into another Spiritual system which exposes your multi-faceted ignorance about Yoruba philosophy and spirituality.

Firstly, Yoruba people acknowledge a Supreme Being (Elyon) called Eledumare. And he is known simply as Ultimate Cause of Existence. Eledumare could be called by given many titles but not Ori as you ascribed up there.

Secondly, Orisas are simply manifestation, a microcosm aspect of Eledumare. While Eledumare is infinity, Orisa are the finite nature of Him.

Thirdly, Yoruba never for once conflate Eledumare with Ori. Ori is the guardian angel that control and direct the reality of humans. Ori is the consciousness, qualia, subjectivity and distinguishable individuality, a part of the totality of Eledumare.

Lastly, much as the Bible acknowledged, Ori is an orisa (divinity) and Personal Deity of every individuals.

Yoruba spirituality sees God more as authority or values. Everything that add values or dominion over our existence is our God. Our survival is dependent on food which passes into our body system through our mouth; Ifa calls mouth 'Olubobotiribo' which is the deity that receive most sacrifice. Bible acknowledge belly as God.

However, personal God of the Yoruba is Ori, a distinctive part of Olodumare.

Ori is orisa, orisa bi Olorun kosi.

Lol

300k+ for what exactly?

Guy that so called Dibia is a runs man and he is about to rip you and your entire family.

However, Dibia tap and annex the forces of nature. That is their source of power, nothing else.

What that Dibia you visited is typical intelligent guesses. He see nothing and can't do jack.

Dtruthspeaker:
It Is Written
"the way of man is not in himself; It is not in man who walks, to direct his own steps"Jeremiah 10:23

Maximus69, can you see the aspect that would interest jw?

Saw an awake magazine titled" Are You in Control of Your Life?". It has a picture of a man paddling canoe, amidst water storm, toward something like cliff.

Can you help us with Bible perspective of 'oneself'?

Ishilove:
A stone can be active, but not self conscious. Abeg don't propagate falsehood. If us self conscious beings cannot know a mind outside ours, how much less an inanimate, solid conglomeration of mineraloid materials? No dey give person fabu abeg.

*Unfollows thread

Oh darling please don't go yet.

It is good to know you admitted that a stone, solid conglomeration of mineraloid materials, isn't biological entity, but it is very active. Self-conscious is simply awareness. Something could be said to be aware or alert when it react to it environment. The reaction of a stone to it environment cannot be the same as that human to his environment, but it also react to some effects. How can you possibly react to something you ain't aware of? How can you be aware when you ain't self conscious? And how you tell the conscious mind of another person unless such person tells you?

Take a moment and reflect on a person in state of coma, would you say such person is aware of his environment? No because he is not responding to anything. However, people in comatose or near death do tell us their experiences, outside their body. These are documented in science achieve.

I know of a plant called Mimosa pudica or sensitive plant, which respond to touches. The process in the science world is called a thigmomorphogenesis. This is a sign of sensitivity, but would you say plant have brain to process it response? Brain is not needed to have sense or be aware of one environment. What matter is reaction. Even when other plants do not show this dramatic response like Mimosa pudica, it doesn't mean they ain't aware of the environment too.

Stone, not only alive, it reacts to it environment too, and as such could be classified as a conscious entity. Remember a stone and human brain are made up of matter and energy. The traditional spiritual system knew about these things and as such worship them. A philosophy of mind called panpsychism admitted this.

Thanks for checking by.

budaatum:
It depends. All philosophers would tell you that's why terms must be defined.

Consciousness, is the word you used. One does not say a stone is conscious, nor does it have consciousness nor an ability to be conscious.
But you could you perhaps provide a definition that does not include it as a possession of a thing and not the thing itself and lets see.

Oh well it has been defined, that consciousness is Ori or oneself. So tell me exactly what is it you are driving at? Ori is human consciousness

A stone can be conscious, according to philosophy of mind called Panpsychism, it has the faculty of been conscious, and also possess the properties of consciousness. This is the idea according to Yoruba spirituality. Okuta possess ori. Base on physics, a stone is conscious, active and reactive, composes of energy which is ever vibrating and can ever react to it environment. We actually can not know mind outside ours. However, a stone is conscious and possesses content of qualia or properties of subjectivity of conscious experience.

Do you know what Ori is? Please don't tell us it's buda.....

budaatum:
No. Consciousness is not "the same thing as Ori, Soul, oneself or buda. Copish!"

Afterall, one does not say, "buda is a consciousness". One says, buda is a being that is conscious, as in, buda possesses a consciousness or an ori or and a soul.

Consciousness is the awareness of the notion that a being or thing (Ori, Soul, oneself or buda) exists. But none of those consciousnesses is Ori, Soul, oneself or buda.

Anyway, figured the following might interest you.
https://www.nairaland.com/6023861/being-time-martin-heidegger#92269314

Lol.

How come Buda, the enlightened one, doesn't know there is difference between being conscious and consciousness. Can I assume simply that this topic is way above what you can handle?

budaatum:
What you've written above is not what I said! More accurate would be: He failed at proving God's existence, but the consequence of his attempt showed how humans become the human version of gods.

His ontological arguments for God's existence, which is what he set out to prove, failed to prove the existence of God, but subsequent understanding of his work helped humans grow and develop.

Well ok

budaatum:
buda ia a product of birth, as in coming into being, or rather, of sex between mummy and daddy, as you have recently experienced bringing a being into existence.

buda exists as body and mind in time and space and will stop existing when buda's time is up at which time buda would be said six feet under and occupy time and space no more, except when buda occupies the time and space of others by which buda shall attain 'life' until no one breathes life into buda and buda is spoken of no more.

If you all mention buda for a thousand or so years, it shall be said that buda lives eternally in your minds.

Do note that it is not a simple question, as you claim, so its answer can not be simple as you expect. You must really really use your mind to comprehend the question and the answers it receives.

The truck load of words does not explain anything. If I could pick anything, it would only this statement of yours: buda exists as body and mind in time.

The funny part, no one is disputing the dualistic nature of Man. It was properly illustrated in the OP. World renowned philosophers from Socrates and Plato in the west, to Siddhartha Gautama and Lao Ztu in the East, and back to Orunmila in Africa all attested to the dual nature of man. All these are known are well noted in the OP, and furthermore, I projected the concept of Ifa on Ori (spark of consciousness or self consciousness) and Iwa (spark of behaviour or sentience) which are both the components of human being.

The purpose of this thread is not about defining nature of man, but identifying the nature of personhood or selfhood.

Note, the 'I' used in the question is selfhood or content of subjectivity of a conscious experience. It only when you understand this that we can have a ride.

budaatum:
You do know you are asking me to prove the obvious, right? Please follow the instructions in the experiment below.

Find a concrete wall that has been standing for at least ten minutes and stand ten steps from it. (You might first want to verify the wall has stood for ten minutes by standing in front of wall and allowing a suitable timepiece to measure out ten minutes). Now, very fast with your head pointed to the wall, run towards it without stopping. As in take at, least 12 running steps towards wall.

Pease describe the state of your head when it tries to occupy the space and time that the wall occupies.

Is this a joke? How does this prove anything related to the existence of space and time?

If at all the experiment would prove anything, that would be electron and electromagnetic field. A high school student know this. It has nothing to do with space or time.

And if you had ponder about it at least for a minute before pushing the submit button, you would have understood that the so called space between a stationary wall and the observer is not really empty. There is light, proton, wave, dust, organisms, energy and so many particles between both stationed objects. The space is only in your head.

If there is a space and time, it only exist in your head, a maze which your brain simulated and thrown you into. Space and time does not exist during NDE, and that is another reality. As a matter of fact, the experience and sensations in the NDE world is more real than what your brain is conjuring to you here.

budaatum:
Easy. When I raise my hand, the hand of the image in the mirror is raised, and when I sit down it sits. And when I walk away from the mirror, the image disappears.

Damn, we learn this at two years old when we try to see our own image in a mirror while standing behind the mirror. Try it and tell me the thoughts of the image you see.

You are still saying the say as you said before using different words.

You claimed the man in the mirror is the puppet of you, and only responded when you move your body parts.

However, I am asking, how you arrive at the conclusion that the mirror image is not thinking, and it is not the one controlling you. Simply explain this.

budaatum:
I'm thinking. I'm really thinking hard, but first I'll narrate an experience.

One day, I stood in front of a mirror and saw myself for the first time and was shocked. It was in a full length mirror which had been in bedroom which I'd groomed myself in front of many times, but this one day, I saw past the image in the mirror and sat their staring until starvation made me budge.

Is the answer to your question Michael Jackson? I would not be surprised if the image Michael Jackson saw when he stood in front of a mirror was that of Michael Jackson, especially if he saw with his mind, which it's safe to pressume since it tends to open one's consciousness to an awareness of the following a la Descartes:

"If you want to make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make that
(Take a look at yourself and then make that)
Change!"

Simple. I wish you can just go straight to the point instead of bamboozling me with boring 'speeches'. I wish LordReed can see it too.

There is nothing in the mirror, except light bouncing off and on the body and the mirror. Our eye absorb the light and transfer the signal to the brain do the job of interpreting this light reflections of one's self. This process is called self-awareness.

Now, we have consciousness (qualia, subjectivity, soul, selfhood, personhood, I, Ori) and self-awareness (mirror of I).

It is important to note that self-awareness is a result biological process (mental construct) which is illusionary or mirror in the head reflecting consciousness.

Isn't this simple

budaatum:
Can't say I can explain the word "soul" since its not a word I believe I use, though please do point me to where you've seen me use it so I can respond in context. "Oneself", is very like me, however, as in a word I'd use, though the shorter "one", as in, 'one might say that', to denote individuality as opposed to being part of a herd.

"Oneself" is like saying "I" as opposed to "us", "we" or "ourselves".

You are lost within yourself. Haba!

While you were bamboozling me with confusing words, telling me I is buda, I agreed and asked you to explain the nature of buda, and also drop your viewpoint on Consciousness or Ori or soul or oneself. The answer you provided was load of expensive shiit.... Lol, having no correlation to the question asked.

Consciousness is the same thing as Ori, Soul, oneself or buda. Copish?

LordReed:
Ah glad you cleared that up, I guess I was mistaken that my opinions were requested.

Lol....

Could you please do some reading?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-personal/



See this from the link above
[[The topic is sometimes discussed under the protean term self. ‘Self’ is sometimes synonymous with ‘person’, but often means something different: a sort of unchanging, immaterial subject of consciousness, for instance (as in the phrase ‘the myth of the self’). The term is often used without any clear meaning and shall be avoided here.]]]

Do you see what I was saying, that personal identity isn't same as self.? You just need to up the game...

Thanks

budaatum:
That wasn't what he set out to do, nor is that what he wrote or he'd have been vilified by his audience. His ontological arguments were in fact trying to prove God's existence, which he failed at, but the consequence of his conclussion as understood today does accomplish what you state above but with a small 'g' god.

He failed at proving God's existence, but consequences of his attempt successfully proved the existence of gods. What are you trying to say?

budaatum:
Trust me when I say, buda is buda, because anything else is a description of a part of buda and not buda.

I'll explain. buda is independent, as in, buda is an entity in itself and no other person. buda is obviously conscious or buda will not be aware to independently respond to you. buda is electro-chemical function of the whole being, and I'm talking as a person with dodgy plumbing due to electro-chemical malfunction. And as to buda's nature, that, thankfully you can tell for yourself and don't need me lying about it because it really is expressed in 1000s of words on NL. All of these are however part of buda and not the whole of buda, because despite Descartes, no one completely knows buda, not even buda who has spent every single minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year with buda. Just today I'm finding something new out about buda!

I seem not to understand your point here. The question is simple really. Is the 'I', also called Buda a product of body or mind?

budaatum:
Of course space and time exists. If I sit in a space that you at the same time occupy I will be sitting on top of your head because of space and time. And it would have definitely taken time for me to fill this space with words and more time for these words to be in a proximate space to you. Space and time is a permanent nuisance in fact. Without it, I'd be thinking the words in my head and they'd instantly be comprehended in your head but space and bloody time seems to be in the way of our mind's melding.

Ok... You've made the claim.. Can you please prove space and time really exist?

budaatum:
Well, the image in the mirror - for it is not a "man" just as a photograph of a woman is not the woman - is like a puppet of me. When I raise my arms its arms are raised up, and when I sit down it sits. But I find that when I eat my dinner in front of the mirror there is still only one plate and not two, so I'm assuming my thoughts stay in my head especially since the image is just an image of me who does the thinking including deciding what image is in the mirror.

Seriously! Soon you'd be asking if my mirror image goes to work for our daily bread while I remain asleep in bed! Lol!

Funny!

You subjectively thought, without evidence, that the man in the mirror is mimicking you. How did you possibly know the man in the mirror has no thought? How do you know you ain't the one mimicking the man in the mirror? How can you prove you control it?


The fun part aside, Michael Jackson said;
I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and then make a change..

Read that lyrics with your 'thinking cap on'...who is the man in the mirror...?

budaatum:
I can't explain the nature of buda, to be honest because buda is a combination of so many different aspects that to talk any one one is to diminish others. I'd only be describing the image I see in a mirror, as in that which I am conscious of, and who's to say that my eyes work that well or that I am conscious to all that buda is?

You might understand what I mean if I were to attempt to say what the nature of Folykaze is. Everything I say would seem like a part of Folykaze to you, assuming I'm right that is, but everything I say would not be Folykaze because I would not be including any knowledge of Folykaze's thoughts or processes. Now imagine the parts of the elephant I would be describing if I tried to describe the nature of buda that I've experienced all my life. You'd think I should know buda so well considering all the time I've spent with buda, but do I really know all of the constantly evolving in space and time buda not to talk of know the words to describe buda to someone else?

Know thyself? Keep learning about myself, more like.

Simply tell us how you understand the word 'soul' or oneself. Thanks