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adoyi8:
Lets give them the benefit of doubt and assume he existed.

Oh ok. He ascended into heaven without propulsion. Hahaha

Inteltower:
great reply of a write up

the blinded OP exposed his pride & boastful self

same thing with the people that was building that tower

Me boastful ke?

What is the pride in building skyscrapers?


You are using phone amd internet which uses a communication with satellite in space, undersea connection and ground base connection, built by boastful people your God hate so much.

Your Pastor is on tv flashing baked hairs on the screen and speaking queen English. All thanks to space satellite communication. If you don't know, Nigeria has two sats in space.

Your dstv dish is oriented toward to space, creating a connection with space satellite. Wetin you call that? Pride!

You religious guys have poor thinking

adoyi8:
The strange thing is that this is supposed to be a good thing. Humans coming together to achieve great things but religion have a way of turning every good thing on its head. look at the way christians are attacking vaccines. In the early 2000 in the area where i lived there were excitements about HIV. people were excited that white people used to claim that they know everything but God has now humbled them by creating a diseases that has no cure. God 1 - 1000 science. Sometimes I see religion as something harmless that people use to give their lives a meaning but when I think about things like these, I realise that religion is a diseases that needs to be cured ASAP. What else can make something good look bad like religion does?

It is strange that Bible painted unity among human as evil. It also depict architecture and space exploration as something really distasteful to God. However, the advancement of man which is presumed as bad is helping in expansion of God ministrations today. An omniscient God having no foresight.....

Ofemmanu1:
Summary

The Tower of Babel was built by the descendants of Noah to prevent the people from scattering. This was done in defiance of God's commandment. The Tower symbolized their own efforts to settle a land rather than to fill the earth as was God's command.

You need to understand, before twisting out the account, that the project intended by these people is to build a city and Tower. The city has already been built or under construction which does not provoke God anger. City would prevent them from scattering, not tower as they won't dwell in the tower. The towel was just a brilliant architect, subjected to touch the heaven, also known as the sky. Thr key purpose of the tower is reaching the sky, not camping together as you posited.

Beyond the past, Man have built several Skyscrapers, they have structures that touches heaven. Remember those skyscrapers doesn't prevent people from scattering. The purpose of skyscrapers is showcasing brilliant architecture designs and revolutions.

This immense effort of man has gone beyond skyscrapers, we now have satellite and stations far beyond Earth.

The problem here is that man could achieve all these all by himself and drive the benefits into evangelism.

Has space station and satellites stopped human from scattering? Nope. Has space exploration helped expanded on ministration? Yes.

Now answer this, does this mean God has no vision?

adoyi8:
I didn't even say anything about Jesus but now I would.
What is special about him? Your ancestors didnt believe in him. The people that told your fathers about him no longer believe in him. He is just a jew that died 2000 years ago. What is special about him?

As a matter of fact, findings has shown Jesus didn't exist. He was an invention of the Roman empire

joyandfaith:
SUFFERING is seen everywhere, and many are those who respond to it compassionately. Medical personnel, for example, work long shifts in hospitals to help those who are ill or injured. Firefighters, police, lawmakers, and rescue personnel strive to alleviate or prevent the suffering of others. Such efforts do much to help people on a personal level, but it is beyond the reach of any individual or organization to eliminate suffering earth wide. In contrast, God can and will bring about a global solution.
Assurance is found in the last book of the Bible: “[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” ( Revelation 21:4 ) Consider the scope of that promise. It summarizes God’s purpose to bring an end to all suffering. He will do that by ridding the earth of war, hunger, sickness, and injustice, along with all the wicked people. No human can accomplish that.
What God’s Kingdom Will Do
God will fulfill his promises through the second most powerful person in the universe​—the resurrected Jesus Christ. The time is coming when Jesus will rule unopposed as King over the entire earth. Mankind will no longer be governed by human kings, presidents, or politicians. Instead, they will be ruled by one King and one government​—the Kingdom of God.
That Kingdom will do away with every human government. Long ago, the Bible foretold: “The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.” (Daniel 2:44 ) Peoples of all the earth will be united under one righteous government​—God’s Kingdom.
When he was on earth as a man, Jesus spoke on many occasions about that Kingdom. He referred to it in the model prayer, instructing his disciples to pray in this way: “Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.” (Matthew 6:10 ) Notice that Jesus indicated that the Kingdom is linked to God’s will being done on the earth, and it is God’s will to eliminate suffering earth wide.
God’s righteous government will bring blessings that no human government ever could. Recall that Jehovah gave his Son as a ransom so that humans might receive everlasting life. Under the benevolent rulership of the Kingdom, people will progress to perfection. The result? Jehovah “will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces.”​— Isaiah 25:8 .
Some might ask: ‘Why has God not acted before now? What is he waiting for?’ Jehovah could have acted long ago to eliminate or even prevent all suffering. Instead, he has allowed it to continue, not for any selfish reason, but for the everlasting benefit of his children on earth. Loving parents will allow their child to undergo hardships if they know that this will bring long-term benefits. Similarly, there are good reasons why Jehovah has allowed humans to suffer temporarily, and these reasons are explained in the Bible. They involve such things as free will, sin, and an issue concerning the rightfulness of Jehovah’s rulership. The Bible also explains that, for a limited time, an evil spirit creature has been allowed to rule the world. *
Though space limits our discussing those reasons here, there are two facts that can give us hope and encouragement. The first is this: Jehovah will more than make up for any suffering we may have experienced.
Moreover, God assures us: “The former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart.” ( Isaiah 65:17 ) God will undo, completely and permanently, the misery and suffering resulting from the temporary permission of evil.
The second fact is this: God has set an unalterable time to end suffering. Recall that the prophet Habakkuk asked how long Jehovah would permit violence and strife. Jehovah replied: “The vision is yet for the appointed time . . . It will not be late.” (Habakkuk 2:3 ) As we will see in the next article, that “appointed time” is near.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20091201/A-Global-Problem-a-Global-Solution/

God 'will'. Future tense.

What is Jehovah doing now? What has he done in the past? How are you sure he is going to do anything in the future?

He is incapable today and humans are filling his holes by helping one another

MuttleyLaff:
Apostle James's Hebrew name is Yaaqob, and its derived from the Anglicised Jacob name
Apostle Peter's original name was Simeon, which means "wavering". He was given the Aramaic name, Cephas, meaning "stone" or when translated to Greek, the name is Petros, meaning "rock", by Yahushua Ha Mashsiach aka Jesus Christ, signifying steadiness, as in meaning, not anymore wavering, shaking, flicking/swinging about, moving about, having indecision moments et cetera. Cephas

Apostle Paul's Hebrew name is Saul, and it means, "prayed for or asked for" while his second name, being a Roman citizen, was Paul, which means, "small, modest, humble"

Anglicised names in a way, manner and in their own rights are Christian/Christianised names. Christianity, as a matter of fact was instituted in Rome, marshalled as a state official religion by Emperor Constantine

There was Rome before Christianity. Isn't it?

It's Sunday today, would like to be in the church. So I picked the Sunday school book and saw the topic for the day, The Unity at Babel. The teaching was set around the account in Genesis 11 which tells about the origin of human language, astronomy, and architect. According to the Genesis 11, there were some human populace, who spoke one language, came to agreement within themselves and agreed to build a city with a tower that it top is in heaven. The project commenced immediately and progressively. However, this progress caught the attention of God. He quickly summoned his councils in heaven to a meeting and decreed that the project must be stopped by confounding human's language. In the account, one could find that the purpose of the project is exhibition of architecture designs, understanding and dominating sky, and showcasing that things are achievable through unity. However, God was furious that man wae uniting and reaching for the sky.

Legend has it that If there was a tower of Babel, it was Etemenanki: a massive, stone ziggurat at the center of Babylon, presently at the southern Baghdad, Iraq. Record has it that ziggurat is 91m high. This goes to show that God became angry because Human built a structure recording 91m im height. Today, the tallest building is Al Burj Khalifa in UAE, measuring 830m in height. This mean human have successfully built a structure that is higher than what angered God back then. This they did with unity of different engineers, labor, and finances from all across the world, cutting barriers of languages, and exhibiting brilliance and might of humankind.

Beyond the tip of Burj Khalifa, Man have dominated the sky by building Aeroplanes and jets which can fly way above 20,000m. The highest commercial airliner altitude was 18288m by Concorde. The highest military air-breathing engine airplane was the SR-71 — about 27432m. Humans have built International Space Station, a kind of home or lab in the low earth orbit. The ISS was successfully built by collaboration of multiple nations. Man has also travelled and walked in space, set boot and projecting to build base on the moon, and are annexing all resources to set boot on Mars before 2035. The farthest human material in space is the Voyager1 which has almost gone past our solar system. It has reached interstellar space and currently 11.7 billion miles away from earth. Humans have robotic probes, satellites, telescopes in our solar system, and beam lights into deepest parts of the universe. Soonest, human will build a colony on other planets, planetary bodies, and even mine asteroids. Imagine having sex on the moon? This is total dominance and colonisation of the sky and space. Not forgetting, this height was made successful by the collective efforts of man from different tongue, color, belief system and backgrounds.

Space exploration goes beyond understanding nature of the universe. It has provided us deep understanding of origin of universe, planets and the solar system. It has revealed human are stardust. It has helped us relate with the outside world and ourselves. Before now, we had preachers and Evangelists. Today, we have Televangelists who have adopted the technology of satellite communication and television. Evangelism has gone from door to door to worldwide reaches through satellite communications with radio, television, internet and telephone services. Omniscient God couldn't foresight the benefit of space exploration of Babel tower, he disrupted the project which later helped his ministry.

Advancement and unity in tech development have broken the barriers of tongue. Bible is now printed in more than 2500 languages. A simple lingua apps can break the barrier God created and expand on evangelism.

God was angry with human because they built a structure which reached the height of 91m. What would he supposedly do now that we have human built machine that is 11.7 billion miles deep into space?

God was angry human united to build the tower of Babel. Five nations came together to build and launch ISS into Earth low orbit, is God really against human unity and togetherness?

He confounded human language but man is breaking that barrier today with multi-lingua systems, helping expansion of evangelism. Does God not have foresight before creating this problem in the first place?


MuttleyLaff Budaatum, Emusan, Janosky, Maximus69 and all God soldiers on the forum



School dismissed, hurray!

Sunday school heya finish. Music section too don close. Abeg na house sure pass.

achorladey:
The interesting thing about this is when a member was asked here that, is the JW organization a CHARITY organization? The individual said NO.

When the article of association used in registration of the organization legally was shown, It stated clearly that the organization is a charitable organization.

The question is, why are the members not aware of the status of the organization as being charitable?

Cc: Janosky joyandfaith

Janosky:
Mr atheist, if this sentence is beyond your level of comprehension,
JWs render help to our neighbors and anyone in need but we OBEY Jesus instructions on this matter (Matthew 6:1-4).

Omo, na your own wahala be that

What is the name of JW organisation? Show us evidences of charitable outreach by JW? I know about Mother Theresa in India,, tell us about any JW member in the whole world.

Your defence is full of clauses and loopholes wjich expose you are lying.

MuttleyLaff:
Yorubas, by means of singular or conglomerate of verb(s), form names from a word or portmanteau, that describes a state, action or occurrence of the thing referred to. Fridge(s), in Yoruba parlance, is/are called "Ẹrọ amunu tutu or Ẹrọ-amunu-tutu" It is a portmanteau word formulated from translating "machine with a technology which gets the belly/stomach cold," that is what "Ẹrọ amunu tutu or Ẹrọ-amunu-tutu" means, as far as Yorubas are concerned, whenever object are taken from the fridge, eaten or drunk, it ends up making the stomach/belly cold

The English word, God, represents, a kaleidoscope of many meanings, but "OLODUMARE", in Yoruba parlance, is the name assigned to God, and it will interest enquiry minds, to know that "OLODUMARE" is a portmanteau word, formed from putting together, coming from an observation viewpoint, words that describes what this enigmatic and very powerful Supreme Being is.

The other alternate form names of "OLODUMARE" are: "Edumare" and "ElÈdumare"

"OLODUMARE" is also known as "ỌLỌRUN" In Yoruba parlance, "ỌLỌRUN" is another portmanteau word, which means "Owner of the heavens or sky expanse" or "Owner of the firmament" "OLO, ỌLỌ, OL' or ELÈ or EL'" means Owner, while "ỌRUN" means "the heavens or sky expanse" hence "ỌLỌ-RUN"

Cycling back to the portmanteau word "OLODUMARE" name of God, in Yoruba manner of speaking, the name is derived from the following words:
1/ "OLO" - means, Owner,
2/ "ODU" - means, mystery, mystical attributes, a thing or being that is mysterious. It also means energy
3/ "MA" - means, knows
4/ "RE" - actually is "ire" and means, blessing

So when, the words, OLO, ODU, MA and RE, are joined together, we have "OLODUMARE" revealing a profound and thoughtful deep meaning that indicates the truth and/or existence of an Energy, Supreme Spirit Being, who is not just the Owner of unique energy but also is in possession of mystery/mystical knowledge of all manners of blessing.

Since God is the highest level of energy. It is from this energy, that everything is created. In fact, Odu, directs all forces at all level of existence, hence, it is this same mystery and/or energy, that's the power behind the creation of all living and non-living things.

One of the most important of the mystical attributes of God is volition. Without volition, there is no God, and there won't be forces, natural laws, rules and/or principles

Profoundly observing, God has always being EL and this is evident in the Yoruba variant name of God, "ELÈdumare" The prefix EL, as previously intimated, means, Owner, an Influential Owner (e.g. Elijah is: My God, is Yahweh/YHWH, Elihu is: My God, is He, or Ọlọrunfẹmi is: God, loves me)

I dare say Yoruba beliefs and mythos is very rich. As I've earlier advanced, Chukwu, in Igbo cosmos, is a product formed from two Igbo words "chi" and "ukwu", that computes to mean big god or great god. Chukwu, in the real sense of it, isn't Yahweh, the God in the Bible but simply is a god, that now, so as to pretend, is taken to be YHWH or Yahweh, the God in the Bible

The Igbos, and the Yorubas, just as like the Men of Athens, inadvertently, just and unknowingly could, in their general consensus in the existence of a single creator, lol, be worshipping the true God (i.e. Acts 17:23-31)

Now, the thing is, God wants, us having a relationship with Him, and not having a relationshit with god(s) You cannot practice consulting the dead, practice ancestor worship or practice spiritism and be a follower of the one and only true God (i.e. Deuteronomy 18:10-13)

cc: FOLY, MizMy

You did a great job there.

Janosky:
Stop sounding like a broken record. NL already knows wetin dey pain you. JWs are not the cause, stop wasting time chasing shadows.

Refute any of the claims up there

Maximus69:
Why not invite your friend FOLY who wants to kill himself over Yorùbá Religion to come and exhibit his talent here?
It's only Maximus69 he will be following about like monitoring spirit looking for arguments even after i've told him frankly that i'm not interested in having any discussion with him!

Is nairaland your parlour? There is no privacy or isolation here you know.

budaatum:
You know my opposition to your JW bashing, so see this as an exception.

Jesus never taught that one should only love one's neighbours, but also one's extremely very hard to love enemies, whom he said, turn your other cheek to be slapped if they slap one side of your face, and as we all know, its hard to do this as it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, so, Christ followers would learn to forgive those who know not what they do.

Perhaps we can learn from the Parable of the Orangutan, who Christ said one should emulate.



It applies to the JW as to the Christ followers like the forest and twigs in one's eye.

Oh well JW does not follow the rule here. They actually bash catholic while roman Catholic has the largest charity organisation in the world. Meanwhile, there is nothing they are doing to alleviate human suffering. Only thing JW can offer is hypocritical rants

Honchoslim16:
Who is this one?

He is a runway soldier, cowardice ex-serviceman. Ran away from service and joined JW, a christian cult, gang of pedophile and hypocritical charlatans

sonmvayina:
I love you.

Thanks

Kobojunkie:
Hephzibah is not a Christian Name but a Jewish name, with Jewish meaning. Many of what people term Christiann names are not Christian at all.
Names like Paul, Peter, James are Christian names...removed from their Jewish roots.

There is nothing like Christian name. James, peter, paul have it origin in Rome, not Christianity.

Abraham is Jewish name but adopted by Christians today. So can Hephzibah

MuttleyLaff:
It is lovely and inspired. It gives a meaningful expression of the still indomitable vigour and vitality of God's love.

So what's the shortened form going to be? Is it Ife, Ifeolu, Olu or 'Kiishi ni?

Kiishi

joyandfaith:
begging for help
ps 37:25
I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging for bread.

Matthew 6:33

matt 6:33
 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

Giving others
matt 6:1-4
6 “Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Will your Bible verses put food on the table of IDPs?

Only loving people of Nigeria and the Government have been feeding those suffering women and helpless kids. I learnt some pentecostal churches and Catholic mostly supply foods, medicines, water and relief materials to them all the time. What is the contributions of JW? Quoting Bible as if he go put food for people table

joyandfaith:
causes of human suffering

Revelation 12:12, NIV: "Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.'"

ecc 8:9 All of this I have seen, and I applied my heart to every work that has been done under the sun, during the time that man has dominated man to his harm.

2 Tim 3:1-5
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.



solution to human suffering

dan 2:44. in the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.


2pet 3:9-13
Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
But Jehovah’s day will come as a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, but the elements being intensely hot will be dissolved, and earth and the works in it will be exposed.
Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, consider what sort of people you ought to be in holy acts of conduct and deeds of godly devotion,
as you await and keep close in mind the presence of the day of Jehovah, through which the heavens will be destroyed in flames and the elements will melt in the intense heat! But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.

Yawn.. Do charity, na Bible you dey quote up and down. Take your Bible to Shekarau in Sambisa where it is needed most.

joyandfaith:
have humans find solutions to human problems? do you think humans would ever find lasting solutions to problems facing humans?

This is logical fallacy called whataboutism

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Jehovah has been there since over thousands years and couldn't do nothing about suffering. You are now shifting the resolving to humans. Are humans more powerful than Jehovah? Shouldn't the most powerful sort issues of the less powerful?

Oh well, Jehovah doesn't exist and non existing skydaddy cannot do jack, not by himself. That is why human has turned to themselves to resolve their problems in the very little way they can, all by themselves.

It is an hypocrisy, that the catholic JW insult all the times has the biggest charity home, hospitals, motherless homes, evangelical outreaches to prisons, refugee camps, war zones, area plague with disasters and poor nations, reaching out to help fellow humans. But the same JW who lash out on them does not have a single charity organization. Isn't that hypocrisy?

MuttleyLaff:
Which is why I earlier advanced that the pastor was ignorant and that FOLYKAZE should have stuck to his guns with the at hand Yoruba names. He could have added to her already Yoruba names, any of the following these: "AdunniOluwa" "Oluladunsimi" "Didunnimi" "Orisunadun" "Olutamiladun" "Adunlatokewa" "Aduntojọmiloju" "Adunlatoluwa" "Adunmare" "Oluladunsimi" "Oludunsimi" "Adunnilọmọ" "Adunbanle" "Adunfunkẹ" et cetera delight

Ifeoluwakiishi. Isn't that one lovely?

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm, you're a wise person!

So let's get to work! Jesus said sin against the son of man (referring to himself) will be forgiven but sin against God's holy spirit will not be forgiven! Matthew 12:32
All sins are unrighteousness but it's evil when we deliberately speak against what we know is right, that's why we need to be swift in listening but slow in responding! James 1:19
Many people are sinning against God's holy spirit today by speaking against God's arrangement out of envy or just because the crowd is doing so {John 19:15 compare to Exodus 23:2}
Many even after knowing God's righteosness standards have stood against it just because they were not allowed to practice unrighteousness! Hebrew 10 26-27

These are acts of unforgivable sin!

Let's talk about the sexual abuses and rape in JW

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/02/08/jehovahs-witnesses-under-investigation-pennsylvania-attorney-generals-office/2425260001/

Is it greater than sin against spirit?

Maximus69:
If you want to learn about Jesus from JWs, you must welcome a free home Bible study from JWs and they will start studying with you!

Who in his right sense would invite child molesters to their house?

JW see an increases in child sexual molestation and harassment lately

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/02/08/jehovahs-witnesses-under-investigation-pennsylvania-attorney-generals-office/2425260001/

No one will invite rapist and in those their home, especially when their are young girls there

Maximus69:
Social media beggar!

Child molester.
Senile coward run away soldier

Maximus69:
OK now!

It is what it is runaway soldier.
Stats dont lie

Maximus69:
Na wah o!

So you're no more interested in marriages amongst the beasts but you're now digressing to divorce rate shey?

Who would marry someone that is prone to backside the next morning? JW has the highest divorce rate among Christian denominations. Catholic has the list. Any reason your organisation hate the catholic?

Janosky:
Mr atheist, your claim is poorly scripted FICTION.

HOGWASH!
...for the Sewage Tank.

Take your battle on with those stats.

Janosky:
LIAR DECEIVING yourself.
Continue LYING

What do you profit by posting FICTITIOUS claims about JWs?

Jehovah’s Witnesses often help when disaster strikes. We provide practical relief assistance to both Witnesses and non-Witnesses, in harmony with the Bible’s instruction at Galatians 6:10: “Let us work what is good toward all, but especially toward those related to us in the faith.” We also try to give the emotional and spiritual support that victims sorely need at such times.—2 Corinthians 1:3, 4.



JWs render help to our neighbors and anyone in need but we OBEY Jesus instructions on this matter (Matthew 6:1-4).

Have you not proven the claim in the link? JW often help. What is JW foundation called please?

JW render help but. Why clause? Maybe help is only rendered to members only.

Proclamation of love when the centre of the jw society is hatred. Reason why they have rhe highest number of divorce rate. Catholic they run down have the lowest divorce rate

Isn't this embarrassing that jw has the highest rate of divorce?

Is your papa still with your mama?

Maximus69:
I just wish you joined the thread earlier to read so much accusations against JWs, but this young woman kept repeating the same words "I love JWs, just sceptical about some of their beliefs"
So you're a failure from inception Sir!

JW with the highest divorce rate in the world when compared with other denominations. You have no shame

Maximus69:
Hen nah, is that not enough reason why JWs only admire their fellow JWs?

Marry with an increasing divorce rate? Highest known in all denominations